Silent Hill 2 Magdalene (Extended)

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  • @ToTheDisco24
    @ToTheDisco24 11 ปีที่แล้ว +240

    I've always loved this piece, it's so simple yet so effective. The way the scale never reaches out to the dominant reminds me of how James can't reach out to Maria and how trapped he is by guilt. So sad...

    • @nineridesshotgun
      @nineridesshotgun 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I really wondered why I felt that. Im not so good with music theory but I do feel the "pull" that never resolves

    • @lavigner5351
      @lavigner5351 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes. It's as if the term "quiet desperation" is represented through this music

    • @whitedastardly2938
      @whitedastardly2938 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This to Fermata is soooo gooodd. It really emphasizes the transition from the normal to the paranormal

    • @chilairearts4238
      @chilairearts4238 ปีที่แล้ว

      Curtis are you excited for the remake

    • @dreamplace7469
      @dreamplace7469 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you hear the remake's use of this piece? I cant wait to hear Akira's new vision of his classic songs.

  • @roldirevan2130
    @roldirevan2130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    Just passed this part of the game... I'll never forget the feeling of melancholy and resignation I got after Maria's death, just awesome... thank you, Mr. Yamaoka.

    • @conmane3341
      @conmane3341 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I always back to listen to this piece when I feel depress and almost resign myself to the fate
      This tune sound very lonely, looming with guilt, relive you with recent past of your failure, especially in relationship, yet it has a vibe of relief and bittersweet

  • @yrureadingthisname
    @yrureadingthisname 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I have literally been looking for this song forever. It’s been haunting me since a kid. I can’t believe I found it on Halloween...

  • @WolfieHDDd
    @WolfieHDDd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    song hits different when you lose someone close to you

  • @filmwoodmedia
    @filmwoodmedia 6 ปีที่แล้ว +143

    I love empty music like this. It helped my progress through a nasty writers block on a novel I am working on where the protagonist has lost his daughter and due to the circumstances on how she died her very existence has gone. No one besides the protagonist knows she existed and so he is the only one who can grieve for the death. The death of the daughter he now never had.

    • @celty5858
      @celty5858 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is your novel published?

    • @commentercommentypants7904
      @commentercommentypants7904 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I second Shiya's question. If it's out there, could you message me or something? I'd like to read it, and tell you a bit about the things I'm working on (I'm also an author).

    • @cuack122
      @cuack122 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      this actually sounds interesting

    • @filmwoodmedia
      @filmwoodmedia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      the book was published on Inkitt, but I am going through re-writes at the moment. It's called Tale of the Wanderer The Game of Blood

    • @commentercommentypants7904
      @commentercommentypants7904 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@filmwoodmedia It sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out!

  • @JManthegamerdude
    @JManthegamerdude 8 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Took me a minute to leave the hospital when this started playing.

    • @kermit939
      @kermit939 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      restores your mental sanity

  • @Hugggykuggy
    @Hugggykuggy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    At this point I was so striken, I couldn't even go on playing.. I was just walking aimlessly forward, feeling empty.

  • @spencergage95
    @spencergage95 9 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    RIP, Maria (3X)

    • @clconn1988
      @clconn1988 9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      More like R.I.P. Silent Hill, now that konami has killed the series with that pachinko machine

    • @arthas_1173
      @arthas_1173 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      +clconn1988 I hope they will go bankrupt,

    • @rhysthereddragon1326
      @rhysthereddragon1326 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clconn1988 There’s some hope, now. _Some._

  • @frankm7791
    @frankm7791 8 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I felt so hopeless at this point in the game.

    • @andrewrotondo8930
      @andrewrotondo8930 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I thought this song fit well for the end of the first Silent Hill movie when they whet home! :)

  • @FerretDude15
    @FerretDude15 12 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The saddest memories ever while hearing the piano like this. Yet, it also awakens the greatest ones.

  • @rhysthomas144
    @rhysthomas144 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    These hollow and empty notes really reflect how James must feel here, as well as those who hear them.

  • @brunopatario
    @brunopatario 8 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    Now I realize.. this game's a masterpiece...

  • @SweeneyTodd98
    @SweeneyTodd98 12 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This track is so simple, and yet it's one of my favorite ones. I don't know. I guess by only having a few notes it makes it sadder.

  • @1212Artemis
    @1212Artemis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This one is truly special.
    Yamaoka is a genius!!

  • @patoazul87
    @patoazul87 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This reminds me when you are grown up and you gotta to be stronger in life... And pass adversity, fear and to be yourself.... Very nice masterpiece, thanks akira

  • @ernestomercado8176
    @ernestomercado8176 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    so peaceful, i hear this ost everytime i feel depressed

    • @Nerim89
      @Nerim89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      This is why i listen every day in my past 15 years maybe...

    • @Nerim89
      @Nerim89 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The moment when you realize every f. Day you surrounded by chances you never have chance to archive.. Everything beathifull just running by not stop for you. And leave you empty.. Just a shell survive, live for another day. To watch

    • @DeliLibre
      @DeliLibre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      i feel more depressed every time I listen to it honestly

  • @Chrai0n
    @Chrai0n 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The definition of lost. The manifestation of emptiness, nothingness... A suffocating void and a living corpse holding a shattered hope that was never meant to be.

  • @TheEvilBread
    @TheEvilBread ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Silent Hill 2 remake 😍

  • @MUSCLECOLT
    @MUSCLECOLT 12 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    thats the charm of it, so simple, yet so profoundly saddening and straightforward.

  • @GermanGhettos
    @GermanGhettos 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    When this song came up...I walked around the floor at the hospital for no reason. Just listened to this song and realized what happened. A true masterpiece...listening to this at a 3000€ home theater speaker system give me so much relaxation.
    Sitting in my sofa and doing nothing, but listening to it. :-) Feeling deeply relaxed after it.

  • @mysteriousfun4759
    @mysteriousfun4759 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You weirdly feel safe while this song protects you

  • @mic5310
    @mic5310 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I came from the future and this melody is going to be the beginning of the remake's trailer of silent hill... Just mu favorite

  • @riddleinc616
    @riddleinc616 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm crying so hard listening to this song right now because I'm ADHD and I suffer so much from life. I know everyone has their personal problem, but since my childhood I cry and I get rejected by others even in my adult life because I am very restless and happy. This is something that makes me cry. and this song described to me something like lost a part of me. And I'm afraid of losing the good things I have in life, it's not so much, but I value it a lot!

    • @kileyn2511
      @kileyn2511 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      find yourself something that you can be inspired by. it helped me . I am also being scolded by everyone now, at music school, at home, at a regular school, everywhere. but... I can't just give up. I have exams on my nose, will listen to me and my whining. Buddy, I advise you to get inspired. anything. Music. Games. books. You just try, and it will go by itself

  • @IMunaev00095
    @IMunaev00095 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When I heard Magdalene first time, I felt emptiness, sorrow and sadness....

  • @GOTHIChild66792
    @GOTHIChild66792 12 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This was on the radio at the gas station in Downpour!

  • @fezzerrezzer8064
    @fezzerrezzer8064 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In case you’d like to know, the small town across the lake is Keswick in Cumbria, in the north of England

    • @doughunt4687
      @doughunt4687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Very interesting. I live in the town of keswick here in Ontario Canada. It also happens to be a small town, or so it used to be.

    • @absalondebarvac3715
      @absalondebarvac3715 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was just looking for this. Thanks!

  • @Memeieli
    @Memeieli 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This image is the background from Silent Hill 2's opening parking lot area.

  • @garthmarenghi4758
    @garthmarenghi4758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I feel this track conveys the feeling of being at a loss for words. Being unable to process what has just happened. Realizing once again you could do nothing to help what was in front of you. That’s why James sulks in silence and is left alone once again.

  • @BurningSorrows
    @BurningSorrows 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The melancholy, the emptiness one feels, and how it feels hollow. God I love this track

  • @DiggerDeeper01
    @DiggerDeeper01 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The song that almost perfectly describes "You fucked up. It's not your fault but you fucked up."

  • @KangarooJay
    @KangarooJay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    the first notes always make me think of the goddamn amongus get out of my head

  • @atrocitus7378
    @atrocitus7378 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Am I the only one that hears some "paint it black" (rolling stones) in that music?

  • @DannyDoncel
    @DannyDoncel 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    No paro de escuchar ese soundtrack como el de Forest, perdí a mi amada...
    I don't stop listening that soundtrack like the Forest, I lost my love...

    • @melvinacevedo8993
      @melvinacevedo8993 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry For that, Man

    • @eversongabriel7099
      @eversongabriel7099 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sorry for that, my friend. Life has a lot of diversity. Unusual things, but that add up to a very interesting experience.

  • @Matt-zx2ms
    @Matt-zx2ms 8 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I still remember coming out from under the Brookhaven basement for the first time... fucking torture and tears.

    • @tywinlannister8015
      @tywinlannister8015 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      You're gonna laugh but I wasn't at all sad. I was really really satisfied.
      Let me explain.
      I always felt strongly about the plots in Silent Hill. But this is the one event in which I didn't feel sad at all.
      For one reason. When I got SH2, I played straight on Hard, since I had beaten SH1 with 10 stars a few weeks before that.
      But the Pyramid head chase ... I didn't understand that shooting the hell out of him slowed him down. To me, he slowed a bit when you shot him and that was all.
      So, for about three hours, I was trying to flee him with Maria, shooting him once in the head every three seconds, while walking backwards, and strafing when I came to an angle.
      But fuckin' Maria got in my line of fire EVERY SINGLE TIME the was a camera angle change. I lost count of the number of times she RAN in PLAIN MIDDLE of my line of fire. And when she was staying on the side, it was Pyramid Head who managed to land a 3rd hit on her (on hard she dies on the third) a few moments before reaching the elevator.
      Then a pal came over and suggested I shoot Pyramid Head 5 times in a row in the head, then run a full corridor, turn back, shoot him again 5 times and so forth.
      SOOOOO ... when I got to the elevator I was happy. And when I saw Maria didn't manage to get in, I was shouting something like "THAT WILL TEACH YOU TO PUT YOURSELF IN FRONT OF ME WHEN I AM SHOOTING THE ENEMY YOU BITCH !"
      But then a few minutes later, when I calmed down I did feel sad. But really, not on the moment. Took a few minutes to the music to catch on to my feelings XD

    • @joshgroban5291
      @joshgroban5291 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tywinlannister8015 DUDE YES I played in hard and I was so god damn pissed after that Maria scene, I'm ashamed to admit I was glad she's dead, I got sad about her death while walking too the historical society, and missed her while I was roaming the jail in my own. I guess that's kinda how James felt about Mary.

  • @MasterDuelK
    @MasterDuelK 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My god... this scene still touch my feels ;-;

  • @ScoutJoe
    @ScoutJoe 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There was a hole here but it's gone now

  • @Arthaslepeureux
    @Arthaslepeureux 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yes, no serioulsy Silent Hill is such a beautifull place to go and to listen. But not to live.
    Who want a ride?

  • @KosmasMJpec
    @KosmasMJpec 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At the time that we are listening this beautifull track on Silent Hill 2 its the very first time James begining to understand.....

  • @jjsj742
    @jjsj742 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Extremadamente relajante,una Maravilla,Realmente Indescriptible la sensación que me provoca,que majestuosa y bella melodía.......

  • @symbiotesoda1148
    @symbiotesoda1148 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "...Did I mess something up? I feel like I failed here," was basically how I felt during this. I even reloaded my save to try and save Maria.

  • @commentercommentypants7904
    @commentercommentypants7904 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is the perfect atmosphere for the beginning of one of my WIPs. In the beginning, we're introduced to the main character, a boy of eleven years old, a quiet, shy little thing eternally bonded to his thirteen year-old best friend. The soft, tranquil feeling fits the beginning of them sitting on a branch, high in a tree, above everything and untouched by the true worries of adolescence and adulthood, but the older boy decides to head down the tree. The empty quality fits the aftermath of him being knocked out of the tree by a rock, thrown by an unknown person from the woods behind him, and killed. The rest of the book focuses on the other boy as he grows older, still dealing with his best friend's death, and now the target of his killer. I'm glad to have found a song that so exactly fit what I was trying to capture. Thanks for uploading.

  • @anginho1998
    @anginho1998 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Uma realidade neste mundo é que nada se importa com a dor de nada e ninguém! Mas todos nós sentimos ou sentiremos as dores.

  • @DonkeyFilms
    @DonkeyFilms 13 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The sound of the music reminds me of shadow of the colossus

  • @supert1326
    @supert1326 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Si alguna vez te sentiste culpable por la muerte de la representacion de tu esposa.
    Esta es tu cancion.

    • @Jarito1903
      @Jarito1903 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      me hubiese gustado que cuando dice: he recibido una carta de Maria, no puede ser..... dijera no puede ser mate a esa bitch con una almohada XDDD

  • @rolandskipurs9417
    @rolandskipurs9417 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very very sad,deep and beautiful

  • @kaylaisnothere4397
    @kaylaisnothere4397 ปีที่แล้ว

    This song just rips my heart into pieces

  • @digimikeh
    @digimikeh 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The same feeling as when you lose Lisa in SH1 .... fck..

  • @Shron21
    @Shron21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I remember that When i heard this music i stayed in the hospital,on that room for a long time...

  • @fearfulharmonycddrama6216
    @fearfulharmonycddrama6216 11 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *sit on armchair, head down, hands together and finger grazing forehead*
    *song starts playing*
    Me: *geez* It has passed almost 2 years since you left us, Grandma...

  • @dunno_504
    @dunno_504 ปีที่แล้ว

    This part of the game made me feel very close to the pain that James felt for not being able to save Maria. I love this game so much

  • @elpatoaburrido2482
    @elpatoaburrido2482 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    La canción más hermosa que EH escuchado

  • @iWanderr
    @iWanderr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mary liked to play the piano .

  • @MarcelineSilvermoon
    @MarcelineSilvermoon ปีที่แล้ว

    Just experience this yesterday as im Streaming and going through the series for the 1st time and MAN i feel bad for Maria and James

  • @hitmanpowerlight
    @hitmanpowerlight 9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Cuando estas debajo de la lluvia de noche con unas flores casi muertas porque te enteraste de que ella amaba a otro...

  • @Flare8295
    @Flare8295 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Painted Black-The Rolling Stones

  • @OliverNorth9729
    @OliverNorth9729 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done yamaoka. 👏

  • @phase866
    @phase866 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, is that what Toluca Lake is supposed to look like? Me gusta.

  • @GreenSonic4975
    @GreenSonic4975 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    listening this at 5:40 PM is a mood

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    been waiting for this!
    =( indeed man

  • @ewanedwards6822
    @ewanedwards6822 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For some reason, a bit of the tune itself makes me think of "I see a red door" from paint it black, does anyone else notice this or is it just me?

  • @TheShotgunShovel
    @TheShotgunShovel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First year of release: Holy s**t dude Pyramid Head is scary!
    Decades after release: Everyday I have to live with the agonizing truth, that I killed the one I loved. But did I really love her? I just don't know anymore...

  • @randomname.....
    @randomname..... 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i don't like silent hill.... i LOVE IT! :D

  • @dannyvell8834
    @dannyvell8834 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve always loved silent hill ….. sometimes I’m really confused as to the things I should be acknowledging but as through time passes I seem to lose focus and just live in some despaired hopeless moments which are happening in the now ……. Somehow I keep grasp of certain things and silent hill is one of them …… my sisters name is or was Magdalene …..

  • @bondo532
    @bondo532 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    damn seeing maria die was pretty sad especially with this song playing afterwards

  • @richrox21
    @richrox21 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOVE THISSS

  • @samaelthegoldenbear5674
    @samaelthegoldenbear5674 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    i miss you Maria... the Maria ending is the most saddest for me

  • @WorthlessWinner
    @WorthlessWinner 13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @wickedslicks1003
    btw where's the Toluca lake image from, I don't recognize it in the games, been a while since I played I guess. thanks for all these uploads, must've repeated the song like 12 times to get this

  • @pretzelpop
    @pretzelpop 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Peace

  • @MrKuritsuka
    @MrKuritsuka 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Aaronthegreatest
    @Aaronthegreatest 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    probably because Downpour was like desperately trying to capture some of that SH 2 magic

  • @anginho1998
    @anginho1998 ปีที่แล้ว

    É a minha tristeza é o meu vazio é o meu conforto. 🌫️

  • @wickedslicks1003
    @wickedslicks1003  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @unassumption I know took me awhile to get to this one lol.

  • @Aaronthegreatest
    @Aaronthegreatest 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    good to know, will get :)

  • @wickedslicks1003
    @wickedslicks1003  13 ปีที่แล้ว

    @unassumption Let me see I think I got the image from photobucket. Not sure on that so I will leave a download link in the description for ya.

  • @dawidd2583
    @dawidd2583 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It starts a little bit like Ruined Castle Corridor

  • @WGDarker
    @WGDarker 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    do you mind if i get a friend of mine? his name is pyramid head
    he is a geometry teacher :3

  • @Kitama23
    @Kitama23 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You know, they used a real photo of a lake for the opening shot of silent hill 2, Is this that photo?

  • @ScoldedLuck
    @ScoldedLuck 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    so suething

  • @gustavoRC929
    @gustavoRC929 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    where is the silent hill 2 remake?????

  • @TastyYumYums
    @TastyYumYums 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could be wrong but I believe that image is from The Room.

  • @DanteLaBrie
    @DanteLaBrie 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    To be entirely fair, their videos aren't very opinionated, they are just based on the facts that are there, and present those facts to back up what they're saying. Also the 'patch' that hardly fixes anything isn't even being released for the 360. The HD Collection isn't even the full finished games of 2 and 3 (Konami has even came out and admitted this) So you're buying unfinished copies of games and giving them your money for them instead of the full copies that are available out there.

  • @mauriciosalcedo
    @mauriciosalcedo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🤩

  • @GOTHIChild66792
    @GOTHIChild66792 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    no, it was an easter egg. play it, you might like it alot

  • @BlackRayneShadow
    @BlackRayneShadow 13 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you take requests, mind if you extend Noone Love you? I've been trying to find an extended version, and haven't yet. If you're able to accept this request, thanks for doing so.

  • @artemisarrow179
    @artemisarrow179 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    700th like! :D

  • @jacobogabrielgarcia8118
    @jacobogabrielgarcia8118 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Una obra de arte de audio, y más, si la escuchas en una tarde lluviosa. Sólo los que sufrimos de depresión entendemos lo bello de esta melodías. :-):'(:'(:-(

  • @user-kz6jy3zd4o
    @user-kz6jy3zd4o ปีที่แล้ว

    Mary is that you?

  • @Kiyoko504
    @Kiyoko504 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Downpour turned out very interesting but the Silent Hill HD collection now that was bad I still have my original copy of Silent Hill 2 sadly I let a friend from church barrow my copy of SH 3 and well wont see that again

  • @blacksupra001
    @blacksupra001 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What's that odd background noise ??? 🤔

  • @czazureblue7907
    @czazureblue7907 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not the kind of penetration James was hoping to see

  • @gregoryexplorer5095
    @gregoryexplorer5095 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like someone is playing Paint it Black with wrong notes

    • @talinajones834
      @talinajones834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i was looking for what this song reminded me of thank you so much

  • @Arthaslepeureux
    @Arthaslepeureux 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice name.
    I will bring my grandmother too, she's called Samael you know that?

  • @WGDarker
    @WGDarker 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow, nice name
    i have a sister too, her name is heather and she is going to turn 18 this week :D

  • @Flare8295
    @Flare8295 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see a red door and a want it Painted Black

  • @xhxc6Gamer
    @xhxc6Gamer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    acabei de vir depois que acabou o jogo do brasil x suiça

  • @Arthaslepeureux
    @Arthaslepeureux 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    No problem.
    Just let me bring my M1 with my extended mags.

  • @Aaronthegreatest
    @Aaronthegreatest 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow Why was it bad? I was like 2 seconds away from getting it yesterday, I figured it would be better than the original version

  • @WGDarker
    @WGDarker 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    i want
    and maybe we can go to raccoon city to watch a movie :D
    maybe a zombie movie :3

  • @DanteLaBrie
    @DanteLaBrie 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I get where you're coming from, but to be fair if everyone went by that logic, not caring of the laziness that the developers had in dealing with the game and just buying it and appreciating it, developers are going to keep trying less and less harder, considering they can get away with just about anything because gamers 'just appreciate it'. No offense or anything, I just like it when things are finished and done. No other job would let you get away with that.

  • @jackieboy2904
    @jackieboy2904 8 ปีที่แล้ว