If you follow the meaning and intent of the largest part of the base material (Mahler's song, St. Anthony's Sermon to the Fish, from Des Knaben Wunderhorn), you will see how brilliantly this all comes together: the pointlessness and futility of effecting social change through art. This is truly one of the greatest works of the 20th century, incorporating many of it's major themes (literally), and synthesizing them into a devastating and hellish critique of the failure of even the greatest saints of our day to seem to bring about a better world (MLKJr.).
You may want to read "Uncle Tom's Cabin." The exception that proves the rule perhaps, but there are no absolutes. Let's say it is a very inefficient way to achieve change. But it is false to say that it never has.
If anyone of you dear commentators (some of you that is) feels that it weakens the standing of this masterpiece of musical art if it is a collage of different compositions - then by ALL MEANS try sitting down to write your own collage. The art of collage is NOT easy. So save your breath and hold your peace and enjoy this composition.
I beg your pardon, but do you understand the meaning of "this" music? I think so ... And then, I ask you to explain this to me, because It's hard to understand!
Actually Berio was very careful to ask permission from all composers AND the publishers, and he names the pieces, composers and publishers in the score, with "Express Written Permission granted". Some composers weren't included and felt slighted. Some of the composers WERE included, and later regretted it. It helped that it was 1968, and revolution was in the air...
Truly this masterwork of art probes the high level of craftsmanship that art developed on the 20 century. It's truly genius, rather than other kind of post modernism that can be pretty mediocre.
"We must collect our thoughts, for the unexpected is always upon us, in our rooms, in the street, at the door, on a stage. Thank you, Mr. Antonio Pappano"
I've always loved this music, and also had the opportunity to collaborate and become friends with Berio, as a a trumpet player in Rome. Sub-titles, please. I think they are speaking and singing in English, but it's hard to say., I'm American-.
...it can't stop the wars, can't make the old younger or lower the price of bread, can't erase solitude or dull the tread outside the door, we can only nod, yes, it's true, but no need to remind, to point, for it is all with us, always, except, perhaps at certain moments, here among these rows of balconies, in a crowd or out of it, perhaps waiting to enter, watching
WOOOOOOW! This has always been one of my favorite pieces. But this recording, the energy - it is SO moving. Thanks for posting this. Do you have the rest of the sinfonia from the same event? This is simply beautiful.
Acho que você (@robertschumannn1594) não esqueceu de citar nada na "MISTURA" maravilhosa de 14 autores proposta por Luciano Berio. É por loucuras do tipo que amo a vasta obra do Compositor italiano e o complexo terceiro movimento de sua "Sinfonia" é o que chamamos de uma "colagem sinfônica". Parabéns ao Maestro Pappano, Ac. de Santa Cecília e o talentosíssimo "Swingle Singers" pelo seu desempenho fabuloso nessa obra.
Por supuesto que es una notable condensacion de lo señalado por algun oyente anterior, pero hay que tener valor no solo para componer sino para conducir e interpretar esta obra hemosa.
Yes you do, and you also hear brief quotes of Debussy's La Mer, Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, Beethoven's 6th symphony and Ravel's La valse, among others.
Ok... Is it just me? This piece was written at the peak of the hippy era. I detect a bit of pink floyd here. Especially taped effects & odd voices. It was the times. Makes me want to smoke a big bowl 😆 lol
Parole sante, non capisco il perché dei voti negativi al suo commento: visto che il delirio imperversa nelle composizioni del "maestro", un bel botto finale sarebbe stato un gesto musicale degno di quei 'connoisseurs' che gli sbavano dietro. Povera musica, davvero!
It's actually a dedication to the conductor performing the piece. It only said "Thank you Mr. Boulez" because Boulez was the conductor of that performance. On this video, Antonio Pappano is conducting, hence why it ends with "Thank you, Mr. Antonio Pappano"
There is also a sentence in the score where the reader has to enter the name of the first piece being performed in the concert, which is why Berio's Eindrücke gets a mention in that recording too (as it's the other piece on the CD) ... it's been twenty years since I last listened to it... but something about 'and tomorrow we'll read that [Berio's Eindrücke] made tulips grow in my garden and altered the flow of the ocean currents'.
On Bernstein's 1969 Columbia recording, the piece mentioned is Beethoven's Piano Concerto no. 4, since that was the other work on the program at Sinfonia's 1968 world premiere by the NYPhil--
Perhaps, this version by Berio was very rarely performed. This performance almost obscures the music, and you can't heard what the soloists are trying to sing, say. It's better forgotten forever.
Assolutamente. Ma basterebbe esprimere il proprio dissenso con capacità critica come fai tu, invece di vomitare insulti e violenza su un'artista che non c'è più. Avrei reagito cosi anche se ci fosse stato un commento del genere ad una canzone di Vasco, per dirtene una. Comunque sia Berio l'ho scoperto da poco, questo terzo movimento mi ha conquistato del tutto. Si sente una certa influenza di Stravinskij... ma è l'armonia del parlato che mi manda in un altro universo.
Just remember, Berio knows more than you and is smarter than you. Thus he is more important than you and thus gets to dictate your world to you. AND, as an extra bonus, he is a committed Socialist. What could be more perfect. All music, going forward, MUST be above the listener’s intellectual. Never mind that John Williams fellow.
I have a copy of the facsimile that I bought, probably for less than thirty dollars, fifty years ago. I've recently looked into acquiring scores of some of his other works. Way out of my price range now. hundreds of dollars.
An interviewer once asked Gertrude Stein to explain her libretto for "Four Saints in Three Acts". She said she didn't write it to be expained, she wrote it to be enjoyed: if you enjoy it you understand it.
I listened to this but really did not like it one bit. It was music sadly not for me. Perhaps I am missing something. I usually enjoy classical music. The drone of voices are very annoying also.
There's a Zen saying that if you do something for ten minutes and find it boring, do it for another ten. If you still find it to be boring, do it for another ten, and on and on. Eventually you will find it endlessly fascinating. The same thoughts could be applied here. After so many listenings, I almost know every part by heart, and I find it endlessly fascinating, and not just the music, the words also. One of the great works of the second half of the 20th century, the whole work, not just part 3.
A parte distrarre e rendere complicato l'ascolto non riesco a trovare un senso originale e interessante nell'uso della voce declassata a effetto sonoro. La parola non si fa canto e non si confronta con elementi musicali. Poi sì è una mixture...
The original Boulez recording with the swingle singers is much better (although the orchestra here is top notch). Watching this makes me wonder if it would be better to get actors on the vocal parts rather than singers... as the spoken parts are pretty lifeless... sounds more like a HR powerpoint presentation than the surreal and vivid sesquipedalian prose of Samuel Beckett.
No, if it was just a gimmick it would have sunk without trace decades ago. Berio's Sinfonia is still delighting audiences more than fifty years after its first performance.
See now if you're a genius at Glenn Gould's level, you can't listen to this (or the Beatles) because of the lack of "middle ground" -- so I guess I'm glad I'm not a genius like Glenn Gould?
-- I wish I hadn't written that. As much as I love Gould, if you miss this (or for that matter the Beatles, for chrissake) you're not living on planet earth. To say nothing of the fact that *Berio fucking wrote this on his vacation in Sicily WITHOUT A MUSIC LIBRARY*
It's a piece made of quotations (and he is not only snipping parts from Mahler)so your comment is meaningless. This is the Scherzo, 3rd movement of the sinfonia.
WARNING: This mixture might contain:
peanuts,
Schoenberg's Five Pieces for Orchestra, fourth movement, "Peripetie" [bars 1-6],
Mahler's Symphony No. 4, Mov. 1 [bars 2-10, 0:02],
Debussy's La mer, Mov. 2 [bars 4-5, returning again later],
Mahler's Symphony No. 2, Mov. 3 [entering in bar 7, 0:02, continues to the end],
Hindemith's Kammermusik No. 4 [bar 429],
Ravel's Daphnis et Chloé [2:08, repeats],
Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, idée fixe [bar 106],
Ravel's La Valse [5:26, repeats],
Stravinsky's Le Sacre du Printemps [bars 170-85],
Stravinsky's Agon,
Richard Strauss's Der Rosenkavalier, Waltz,
Bach's chorale, BWV 208,
Bach's Brandenburg Concerto, Mov. 1,
Berg's Wozzeck, act no. 3,
Beethoven's Pastoral (Symphony No. 6), Mov. 2 [bar 448],
Boulez's Pli Selon Pli, Mov. 1 [8:54],
Webern's Cantata No. 2, Mov. 5 [bars 547-54] and
Stockhausen's Gruppen for three orchestras [bars 555-560].
(Did I miss anything?)
2:08 is Ravel's La Valse
Robert Schumann l hear some Ode to Napoleon Buonaparte.
Robert Schumann Berg's and Brahm's violin concertos
but isn´t it great?
GOOD SPOT!
*When you have several tabs of music playing at once*
If we could only hear Mahler's reaction to this collage :-)
That's the weirdest composition I have ever heard, but I love it !
If you follow the meaning and intent of the largest part of the base material (Mahler's song, St. Anthony's Sermon to the Fish, from Des Knaben Wunderhorn), you will see how brilliantly this all comes together: the pointlessness and futility of effecting social change through art. This is truly one of the greatest works of the 20th century, incorporating many of it's major themes (literally), and synthesizing them into a devastating and hellish critique of the failure of even the greatest saints of our day to seem to bring about a better world (MLKJr.).
I like your summation!
Effecting social change through art has always been an absurd notion, and only the artists themselves were foolish enough to believe in it...
You may want to read "Uncle Tom's Cabin." The exception that proves the rule perhaps, but there are no absolutes. Let's say it is a very inefficient way to achieve change. But it is false to say that it never has.
@@Συναισθησις why do you think so?
If anyone of you dear commentators (some of you that is) feels that it weakens the standing of this masterpiece of musical art if it is a collage of different compositions - then by ALL MEANS try sitting down to write your own collage.
The art of collage is NOT easy. So save your breath and hold your peace and enjoy this composition.
I beg your pardon, but do you understand the meaning of "this" music? I think so ... And then, I ask you to explain this to me, because It's hard to understand!
Can anyone identify the orchestra/conductor/performers? Thanks!
Berio's like "Fuck copyright"
Actually Berio was very careful to ask permission from all composers AND the publishers, and he names the pieces, composers and publishers in the score, with "Express Written Permission granted". Some composers weren't included and felt slighted. Some of the composers WERE included, and later regretted it. It helped that it was 1968, and revolution was in the air...
Wow, thanks that's great information about this piece.
Truly this masterwork of art probes the high level of craftsmanship that art developed on the 20 century. It's truly genius, rather than other kind of post modernism that can be pretty mediocre.
Who else do you consider a postmodern composer? Ligeti?
This is, like, beat poetry with a full orchestra.
"We must collect our thoughts, for the unexpected is always upon us, in our rooms, in the street, at the door, on a stage. Thank you, Mr. Antonio Pappano"
4:50, suddenly total beauty, like the sun coming out. unbelievably powerful. Also the bit that Cathy Berberian picked on her desert island discs.
Pulled right out from Mahler 😂
I've always loved this music, and also had the opportunity to collaborate and become friends with Berio, as a a trumpet player in Rome.
Sub-titles, please. I think they are speaking and singing in English, but it's hard to say., I'm American-.
Tremendous piece of music. Listen to it after you listen to the scherzo of Mahler's 2nd symphony.
This sounds like being stoned while listening to Mahler, while in the next room there is a cocktail party going on.
Amazing piece, I love and love for ever and ever!!!!!
Goosebumps all over. Amazing.
love it, everytime. what's a great composer he is! das musik ist sehr lebendig. es ist alive.
This piece is almost exactly what goes on in my musical ADHD mind. Inner monologues woven beautifully through different pieces of music.
...it can't stop the wars, can't make the old younger or lower the price of bread, can't erase solitude or dull the tread outside the door, we can only nod, yes, it's true, but no need to remind, to point, for it is all with us, always, except, perhaps at certain moments, here among these rows of balconies, in a crowd or out of it, perhaps waiting to enter, watching
Escucho esta sinfonía incansablemente.
The original mashup
That bit of Mahler at 4:49 and the way he intertwines the voices in it is beautiful
WOOOOOOW! This has always been one of my favorite pieces. But this recording, the energy - it is SO moving. Thanks for posting this. Do you have the rest of the sinfonia from the same event? This is simply beautiful.
as if someone has left the radio on while watching television.
Human chatting is treated as an instrument. This is a true post modern muzik!! Love it!!
Acho que você (@robertschumannn1594) não esqueceu de citar nada na "MISTURA" maravilhosa de 14 autores proposta por Luciano Berio.
É por loucuras do tipo que amo a vasta obra do Compositor italiano e o complexo terceiro movimento de sua "Sinfonia" é o que chamamos de uma "colagem sinfônica". Parabéns ao Maestro Pappano, Ac. de Santa Cecília e o talentosíssimo "Swingle Singers" pelo seu desempenho fabuloso nessa obra.
Thank you for uploading this!
Me encanta!
Good recording. The quotations are very clear and obvious. Wild stuff!
In memory of Tobi Hug. Rest in peace.
This only adds to the cacophony of voices I already have in my head! lol
Qui siamo OLTRE L'IMMAGINAZIONE PURA
Listening to this makes me realize again just what a genius Charles Ives was.
A Masterpiece.
Citations include composers: Schoenberg, Debussy, Mahler, Hindemith, Berio, Berlioz, Berg, Brahms, Ravel, Beethoven, Stravinsky, Pousseur, Globok, Boulez, Webern, Stockhausen
***** and Richard Strauss (Rosenkavalier)
+Mickael A Bach too.
This is possibly the most intense piece of music ever written 8:40
8:21 Beethoven 6th, 2nd. mov.
This performance is magic.
이 곡 너무 재밌다ㅠㅠ
4:50-6:00
beautiful
Por supuesto que es una notable condensacion de lo señalado por algun oyente anterior, pero hay que tener valor
no solo para componer sino para conducir e interpretar esta obra hemosa.
Whenever I hear the original symphonic movement of Mahler, I think something is missing 😅
3:04 rite of spring?
Not only but also.
And "Agon" about 15 seconds later
Écouter ça pour demain #collegemarcelaymé #stflorentin #mmepoltzien
Do I hear Mahler 2nd and Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier waltz?
Yes you do, and you also hear brief quotes of Debussy's La Mer, Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique, Beethoven's 6th symphony and Ravel's La valse, among others.
Bella.... NO, BELLA! Aiutatemi a dire: BELLA!
I had tickets to hear with Oregon Symphony but the pandemic killed that one
Absolute masterpiece of the 2nd half of the 20th century.
Daphnis et Chloé 1:33
Scherzo from Mahler's Symphony No. 2
Goddammit Berio T_T so good...
Who is the reciter ？He delivered the most emotional speaking part of this work.
This is what youtube comments sound like in my head
5:25 Ravel, La Valse?
Yes.
Muy bien
Citado el Vals de Ravel... ¿cual otro?
the voices make the music too :D
Ok... Is it just me? This piece was written at the peak of the hippy era. I detect a bit of pink floyd here. Especially taped effects & odd voices. It was the times. Makes me want to smoke a big bowl 😆 lol
No pensé que se pudiera crear algo así!
Parole sante, non capisco il perché dei voti negativi al suo commento: visto che il delirio imperversa nelle composizioni del "maestro", un bel botto finale sarebbe stato un gesto musicale degno di quei 'connoisseurs' che gli sbavano dietro. Povera musica, davvero!
9:31 Epic =)
이렇게 작곡을 하려면 엄청난 광기적 연구와 몰입이 필요하겠지…
What is the significance of the dedication at the end? I remember a Boulez dedication in a recording. "Thank you Mr. Boulez."
It's actually a dedication to the conductor performing the piece. It only said "Thank you Mr. Boulez" because Boulez was the conductor of that performance. On this video, Antonio Pappano is conducting, hence why it ends with "Thank you, Mr. Antonio Pappano"
Thank you!
There is also a sentence in the score where the reader has to enter the name of the first piece being performed in the concert, which is why Berio's Eindrücke gets a mention in that recording too (as it's the other piece on the CD) ... it's been twenty years since I last listened to it... but something about 'and tomorrow we'll read that [Berio's Eindrücke] made tulips grow in my garden and altered the flow of the ocean currents'.
On Bernstein's 1969 Columbia recording, the piece mentioned is Beethoven's Piano Concerto no. 4, since that was the other work on the program at Sinfonia's 1968 world premiere by the NYPhil--
All the girls sound so pretty... Im very happy because I finally found the written lyrics. Orangejamtw, dont you have this in higher quality??
It would be nice for me to see the other movements =)
Love the performance.. don't know if I like the conductor
Missed my favorite lines, "Call that going? Call that on?" Too fast.
Appunto.
Wa!! When was this uploaded? Since May? Thanks for it!
Perhaps, this version by Berio was very rarely performed. This performance almost obscures the music, and you can't heard what the soloists are trying to sing, say. It's better forgotten forever.
Интересно, зачем композитор ввёл цитату из Малера?
Did you study the music sheet?
-No
But, can you improvise from the chords?
-Sure!
1968
Assolutamente. Ma basterebbe esprimere il proprio dissenso con capacità critica come fai tu, invece di vomitare insulti e violenza su un'artista che non c'è più. Avrei reagito cosi anche se ci fosse stato un commento del genere ad una canzone di Vasco, per dirtene una. Comunque sia Berio l'ho scoperto da poco, questo terzo movimento mi ha conquistato del tutto. Si sente una certa influenza di Stravinskij... ma è l'armonia del parlato che mi manda in un altro universo.
Just remember, Berio knows more than you and is smarter than you. Thus he is more important than you and thus gets to dictate your world to you. AND, as an extra bonus, he is a committed Socialist. What could be more perfect. All music, going forward, MUST be above the listener’s intellectual. Never mind that John Williams fellow.
Are there guitar TABs for this piece? ;-)
Rumour has it that Sungha Jung is working on a version for ukulele.
how can i get the score??
+stefanoidez i've got a scan of the score. If you want you can give me your mail and i will send you.
Hey, I know this was a year ago but are you still up for sending the score?
I have a copy of the facsimile that I bought, probably for less than thirty dollars, fifty years ago. I've recently looked into acquiring scores of some of his other works. Way out of my price range now. hundreds of dollars.
que esto parece un locura que alguien me lo explique......
An interviewer once asked Gertrude Stein to explain her libretto for "Four Saints in Three Acts". She said she didn't write it to be expained, she wrote it to be enjoyed: if you enjoy it you understand it.
진짜 충격적이다
Calcio musica ass.
Kick ass music.
Patear la música trasero.
Le coup de la musique de cul.
Chute a música.
踢屁股音樂。
Удар осла музыки.
th-cam.com/video/9YU-V2C4ryU/w-d-xo.html в это время где то открывается портал
ahah.. guarda che questo è Berio.......
What......?? I think it's....brilliant nonsense? XD It sounds coolish.....
I listened to this but really did not like it one bit. It was music sadly not for me. Perhaps I am missing something. I usually enjoy classical music. The drone of voices are very annoying also.
There's a Zen saying that if you do something for ten minutes and find it boring, do it for another ten. If you still find it to be boring, do it for another ten, and on and on. Eventually you will find it endlessly fascinating. The same thoughts could be applied here. After so many listenings, I almost know every part by heart, and I find it endlessly fascinating, and not just the music, the words also. One of the great works of the second half of the 20th century, the whole work, not just part 3.
I'm glad you like it.😂
I mean he did a great job... but some faces seem uncomfortable.
A parte distrarre e rendere complicato l'ascolto non riesco a trovare un senso originale e interessante nell'uso della voce declassata a effetto sonoro. La parola non si fa canto e non si confronta con elementi musicali. Poi sì è una mixture...
I still prefer Dufay.
The original Boulez recording with the swingle singers is much better (although the orchestra here is top notch). Watching this makes me wonder if it would be better to get actors on the vocal parts rather than singers... as the spoken parts are pretty lifeless... sounds more like a HR powerpoint presentation than the surreal and vivid sesquipedalian prose of Samuel Beckett.
I like that effect and think it makes it sound more relevant and contemporary ...
This ain't Babbada at all!
Pure pastiche gimmickery - and not much else. (rolling eyes.....)
No, if it was just a gimmick it would have sunk without trace decades ago. Berio's Sinfonia is still delighting audiences more than fifty years after its first performance.
The same people who call this a work of genius are the same people who poo-poo John Williams for being a "copycat" 🤡
See now if you're a genius at Glenn Gould's level, you can't listen to this (or the Beatles) because of the lack of "middle ground" -- so I guess I'm glad I'm not a genius like Glenn Gould?
-- I wish I hadn't written that. As much as I love Gould, if you miss this (or for that matter the Beatles, for chrissake) you're not living on planet earth. To say nothing of the fact that *Berio fucking wrote this on his vacation in Sicily WITHOUT A MUSIC LIBRARY*
...he did have access to the scores though; the piece is made up of scores that he had with him.
@@desoliver9712 He didn't have many scores with him. But yes, I don't know which scores he had -- does anyone? Maybe that's in the Osmond-Smith.
Pessima esecuzione, si sente solo Mahler disturbato da qualcos'altro. Pappano direttore sopravvalutato!
ha parlato stocazzo
A COMPULSORY SHOW
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MUAHAHAHAHAMUAHAHAHAHAHA
ha
A hack, stealing from Mahler.
It's a piece made of quotations (and he is not only snipping parts from Mahler)so your comment is meaningless. This is the Scherzo, 3rd movement of the sinfonia.
Stravinsky said, "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal."