I have never experienced such a performance drop on a M1 Pro base model (14 core gpu) with 16gb of ram. I did a few tests in Final Cut Pro and DaVinci Resolve. The difference between running a 4k display at 1920p or 1440p equivalent was around 2 o 3% performance lost. Barely noticiable. So run your own tests to see if it's a problem or not based on the software you use, as it seems to be part of the problem.
I just bought an LG 4k 38 inch ultrawide and it has 111ppi which is almost 1/2 of macs. However, my understanding is that ppi ie 110 vs 220 should have zero issues because of being half and not something like 170ppi 200 ppi Its currently hooked up to a thinkpad but I bought it because of the size to $ ratio and because it was 111 ppi.
This whole video explains nothing. Did you do any tests? What else did you try except echoing the first thing that shows up on google? I have a very similar setup (but a lot weaker mac) and see none of these issues. Just came here to learn about possible scenarios where this issue may occur. Just seems like bad adobe software or misconfigurations.
Oddly I went from 2 LG 32 UN880s running at 4kx60hz (thinking they looked pretty good), to a 48" LG Oled, again running at 4k, 120Hz. I have noticed no real downside using the apps I normally used for work, just the bog standard Microsoft Excel, Word, Powerpoint, etc. Adobe DC Pro functions fine as well as a few specialty apps. I just bumped up the icon size and font size for those on the desktop and all's well. I did notice a small problem with the mouse cursor. At the default size setting, you could indeed lose the mouse on this size of screen and resolution. I bumped up the cursor size and did notice a little less accuracy. Just not enough to go back to a smaller cursor. After close to 2 years using this monitor, I wouldn't trade it. Yes the PPI isn't in the "good" range but I don't notice any downside. An added bonus is that most movies look better on my 4K OLED monitor than the 75" LG TV I also have in the room....
You get it right. Most people/reviewer say this is a non-issue are probably using they computer for what, spreadsheet? I just got my self 4K screen using scaled resolution and I notice there's sigfnificant performace drop especially when using GPU intensive apps such as After Effect, Photoshop, etc.
@@attika70I does not help at all. It was a great app when macos did not showed retina resolutions on some displays. But It never helped towards performance.
The problem is not the scaling, but the fact that you are running bigger resolution. The impact will be the same if you compare a 5k to a 4k monitor performance.
This was super helpful. I was noticing some odd graphical hitches (M3 Pro MBP 14", 12 CPU cores, 18 GPU cores, 18gb ram) when using my external 3840x2160 32" display when the internal display wasn't showing the same issues. Thanks!
in benchmark yes, in real work in FCP, PS, AI and SWIFT no observable differnece for me on Macbook Pro M1 pro 16" 16 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD between 2 years of using externall display DELL 2720Q 4K (scaling on 2560x1440) and 6 month of using my new APPLE STUDIO DISPLAY 27“ 5K RETINA , i have no interest about PPI difference untill i i find videos like this telling that CPU working on scaling :) so i try some benchmark and as i say yes 2-4 % worse on 4K so teoretically yes it's difference here, but again, in real work in FCP, PS, AI and SWIFT i don't see any difference, the same count of coffee working on 4K and 5K it's still 3 cup of coffe per day for me :) may be very long video editing could make some minutes difference, but what is 10 minutes in your day? just wake up morning 10 minutes sooner :) and remember that was the period in your life we all have black & white CRT monitors (or green or orange) and your CPU has 2 MHz :) that is what i mean under word DIFFERENCE !
I was planning on buying the mac mini m4 base model thinking it may be powerful enough to handle the scaling issue, because my M1 13inch MBP suffered a performance lost from a 5k resolution (scaled from a 2560x1440 resolution monitor). I use Figma for work. To help with the workaround, I use the BetterDisplay app to disable the scaling But your statement regarding your fully decked out M3, the performance issue of the resolution scaling is still there. So I guess I wouldn't be buying the mac mini yet
I just received a base Mac Mini M4 and a full spec M4 Max MacBook Pro. I’ll test this again and if it’s no longer an issue I’ll make a new video about it.
Oh for flip sake. Why does it have to be so complicated. All i want is to get the Mac mini m4 pro and to pair it with a 4K 27 inch display for 4k video editing, but all this stuff with the mac OS issues have me doing mental & mathematical gymnastics just to do something that should be simple. I'm on a budget, the computer itself already costs £1700
@jodierizky- not yet, im waiting until january so i can watch peoples reviews on how it handles video editing & I'm still doing research on this screen stuff. I'm trynna get it right the first time, I don't want to have to be sending back screens
I have never experienced such a performance drop on a M1 Pro base model (14 core gpu) with 16gb of ram.
I did a few tests in Final Cut Pro and DaVinci Resolve. The difference between running a 4k display at 1920p or 1440p equivalent was around 2 o 3% performance lost. Barely noticiable. So run your own tests to see if it's a problem or not based on the software you use, as it seems to be part of the problem.
I just bought an LG 4k 38 inch ultrawide and it has 111ppi which is almost 1/2 of macs. However, my understanding is that ppi ie 110 vs 220 should have zero issues because of being half and not something like 170ppi 200 ppi Its currently hooked up to a thinkpad but I bought it because of the size to $ ratio and because it was 111 ppi.
This whole video explains nothing. Did you do any tests? What else did you try except echoing the first thing that shows up on google? I have a very similar setup (but a lot weaker mac) and see none of these issues. Just came here to learn about possible scenarios where this issue may occur. Just seems like bad adobe software or misconfigurations.
Oddly I went from 2 LG 32 UN880s running at 4kx60hz (thinking they looked pretty good), to a 48" LG Oled, again running at 4k, 120Hz. I have noticed no real downside using the apps I normally used for work, just the bog standard Microsoft Excel, Word, Powerpoint, etc. Adobe DC Pro functions fine as well as a few specialty apps. I just bumped up the icon size and font size for those on the desktop and all's well. I did notice a small problem with the mouse cursor. At the default size setting, you could indeed lose the mouse on this size of screen and resolution. I bumped up the cursor size and did notice a little less accuracy. Just not enough to go back to a smaller cursor. After close to 2 years using this monitor, I wouldn't trade it. Yes the PPI isn't in the "good" range but I don't notice any downside. An added bonus is that most movies look better on my 4K OLED monitor than the 75" LG TV I also have in the room....
You get it right. Most people/reviewer say this is a non-issue are probably using they computer for what, spreadsheet? I just got my self 4K screen using scaled resolution and I notice there's sigfnificant performace drop especially when using GPU intensive apps such as After Effect, Photoshop, etc.
There's an app called better display that helps with this.
@@StoicOutlaw17yeah? How does it help? I tried. Many keep saying wha you just said. But none of them can explain how does it help
@@attika70I does not help at all. It was a great app when macos did not showed retina resolutions on some displays. But It never helped towards performance.
The problem is not the scaling, but the fact that you are running bigger resolution. The impact will be the same if you compare a 5k to a 4k monitor performance.
This was super helpful. I was noticing some odd graphical hitches (M3 Pro MBP 14", 12 CPU cores, 18 GPU cores, 18gb ram) when using my external 3840x2160 32" display when the internal display wasn't showing the same issues. Thanks!
in benchmark yes, in real work in FCP, PS, AI and SWIFT no observable differnece for me on Macbook Pro M1 pro 16" 16 GB RAM, 500 GB SSD between 2 years of using externall display DELL 2720Q 4K (scaling on 2560x1440) and 6 month of using my new APPLE STUDIO DISPLAY 27“ 5K RETINA , i have no interest about PPI difference untill i i find videos like this telling that CPU working on scaling :) so i try some benchmark and as i say yes 2-4 % worse on 4K so teoretically yes it's difference here, but again, in real work in FCP, PS, AI and SWIFT i don't see any difference, the same count of coffee working on 4K and 5K it's still 3 cup of coffe per day for me :) may be very long video editing could make some minutes difference, but what is 10 minutes in your day? just wake up morning 10 minutes sooner :) and remember that was the period in your life we all have black & white CRT monitors (or green or orange) and your CPU has 2 MHz :) that is what i mean under word DIFFERENCE !
Have you tried better display app?
I was planning on buying the mac mini m4 base model thinking it may be powerful enough to handle the scaling issue, because my M1 13inch MBP suffered a performance lost from a 5k resolution (scaled from a 2560x1440 resolution monitor). I use Figma for work. To help with the workaround, I use the BetterDisplay app to disable the scaling
But your statement regarding your fully decked out M3, the performance issue of the resolution scaling is still there. So I guess I wouldn't be buying the mac mini yet
I just received a base Mac Mini M4 and a full spec M4 Max MacBook Pro. I’ll test this again and if it’s no longer an issue I’ll make a new video about it.
Cant wait for the update!
Which monitor should I get for MacBook Air M1 (2020), View infinity S8 32 inch, BenQ PD2706UA 27 inch or any LG 4K 27inch?
check out Teoh on Tech video on scaling: Fix for fuzzy text with MacOS UI scaling on external displays
Oh for flip sake. Why does it have to be so complicated. All i want is to get the Mac mini m4 pro and to pair it with a 4K 27 inch display for 4k video editing, but all this stuff with the mac OS issues have me doing mental & mathematical gymnastics just to do something that should be simple. I'm on a budget, the computer itself already costs £1700
I agree, it's irritating.
did you end up getting the mac mini?
@jodierizky- not yet, im waiting until january so i can watch peoples reviews on how it handles video editing & I'm still doing research on this screen stuff. I'm trynna get it right the first time, I don't want to have to be sending back screens
Amen, brother! I’ve been lost in this rabbit hole for the last two days.
very informative, thank you
Or just buy a qhd display.
Same here. Windows wins.
Quickly get to the point would won you subscribe, not this time, could be decent video but I didn’t finish
macOS is Bad
You’re bad! lol
yes it is very bad at text scaling. windows can scale to any resolution any monitor size just fine.