It's not real you know. Just thought I'd remind you. It fits the bill between serious and comedy as it's comedic whilst trying to be serious. Technically and historically the whole series is a disaster. It is entertaining if only for some of the dire content.
I noticed that when they were preparing to bail out, the ball turret gunner came out of the turret wearing his chute, from what I've read, it was too cramped in there to wear a chute.
yes and no. His extreme meekness in the character seemed part of his mornings on CBC. I don't like Macho.. but I am not keen on fey, either. gentle as a girl. I am sorry, I apologize. That was aggressive of me. Guess my nationality.
@@donofon1014 May wish to try Harron's other roles. He was "set up" by the script here. In the Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea episode "Doomsday" he tangles forcefully enough with Admiral Nelson over whether or not to fire the missiles....
lugging an 80 plus pound machine gun around is pretty hard. Wonder if during the War anyone took along Carbines or Thompson's with them. Seen photographs of pilots in the pacific getting into there aircraft with thompson's, etc.
Every Single Episode includes a close up of a P 47 Thunderbolt's unique gun array firing away at the B 17's. They got to bring down that traitor next season!!
The moment you wear the enemy's uniform (see 29:42) you can be shot on the spot as a spy. Of course, that would have been the end of the series! Regards
That was on this? I better go back...yes, they used to do that on the old shows, fore and aft. If your local station was running very old syndication prints, you'd see these for a long time until the newer prints arrived....
Each episode of this very valuable series is like it's own movie depicting the ravages and realities of war in many angles. I don't think a TV production could be done any better!! Although I did not like the fact that Robert Lansing was replaced by Paul Burke it was lucky he worked out very well.
Shouting "White cloth! White cloth!" Looks...can't find any...so picks up crucifix laying on top of white cloth. (In B&W.. so could have been another color...shade of yellow, blue or green) but kinda funny.
Sidelights. Lordy, I had hoped our CoPilot was set to make it out with Gallegher and Komansky. I should have guessed. Still a surprise to me. Of course, QMs Invaders ran through all of David Vincent's pals, or most of them, all the time. And thank you for the hat tip to actor Phil Bruns....
Bless you brother !!! I know what SNAFU meant in the military, but this dizzying display of ineptness in the characters seems to reflect the writers themselves. Weird note, the severely annoying cowardly Travis ( Don Harron) came home to Canada for some more acting, but gained real fame as the host of CBC radio's flagship morning show for a few years. Shatner was in an earlier episode, same Shakespeare Festival background at Stratford ONTARIO... but the US got to keep him. Not long from this to Star Trek. Women and being on the ground in occupied territory brought out the worst writing I think. On the other hand, there was this urge to write a morality tale, as in the Law & Order franchise, but most hour long dramas have a bad guy, an agent or cop and a shoot out having crashed cars trucks and helicopters in the process.
The belly chute was a one and only for the aircrew. They wear a harness, and snap the parachute onto it. Its too cramped and crowded to wear a backpack chute inside the B-17
Yes and that mean different style of Christian worship. The Eastern Orthodox churches excel in the style of iconography that still exists today. This architecture was more Romanesque/Gothic.
Your front is 12:00, rear is 6:00. So , 3:00 is your right 90° on a compass. High or low is in relation to your position. High is above, low is below. Hope this helps. Retired Army 1SG here.
As today, TV shows had limited budgets and had only a week or so to complete filming. They did what they could with what they had, and if all they had was Southern California then Belgium and Eastern Europe were going to look like high desert. And, strangely enough, there were a few Roman Catholics left in the Soviet Union despite persecution, although I doubt the production people cared that much --- probably no icons in the Fox prop department.
Idiots Beware. I really appreciate your input here. Thanks very much. I have to guess that a lot of grumblers here have NO idea about what is required or was required to stage a TV show. And these had to chase a MASS audience, not a select few. Thank you for standing for the series when it can appreciate its friends too.
this is Black and White season two.. with 14 more to go... and then... Season 3 in color. This sucked... but if this was the fatal blow... it was a slow leaking wound.
I’m afraid you cant come up with a lot of plot ideas when it comes to air warfare. It’s not like Combat where the setting is rich with ideas of human drama. Kids who grew up watching Combat spent their afternoons playing soldier and enacting shooting scenes with the enemy. You cant do the same playacting and pretending to be a bomber pilot.. It was more fun doing infantry. Maybe that’s why 12 o’Clock died a slow death.
Its fiction, like novels of course. Not a documentary. Though often it appears that the goal was to "do it for real". I can understand a complaint in this regard.
The Russian launguage is fluent with slight Ukranian accent. I am guessing the extra, playing Russian lady, is a Ukranian who emigrated to geyt away from Soviets or Germans before, during, or after War. She may well be a survivor of Eastern Front.
@@donofon1014 An actress from the old world. No amount of language instruction can teach a native English speaker to speak like a native Russian or Ukranian. You end with broken Russian of Red October .
Yeah, it looks more like a church in any Latin country. When they take the church from the outside on the door there is a cross looking like a normal cross, not the Russian cross. Regards
@ GIOVANNI1955C Actually, it was in a studio in southern, Ca...the bean counters @ QM were known for spending more money on scripts & cast than they did on sets & research...I've got to admit though, they turned out a thoroughly entertaining product...it was interesting to see Don Harron (Charlie Farquharson from HEE HAW) portraying SGT. Trask, the cowardly aide to the General...
@@Lazarus0357 Especially since the Great Schism of 1054. That was solved in the second part of the Twentieth Century. So both the Western Christian Churches and the Eastern Orthodox one went for centuries strictly totally different ways for reason Besides, in an Eastern Church you don´t sit you either stand or kneel. So chairs or banks are not commen in Community rooms Fun Fact: The Eastern Way to make the Cross symbol from RIGHT TO LEFT also became scorned in the Western World. The modern Horror Literature since the 19th Century uses it as a sighn of Devil´s Worshippers, last found in the classical Computer Game VAMPIRE THE MASQUARADE. BLOODLINES from 2004/05
The Master Sergeant with the Generals must be some National Guard. Any Regular who makes that kind of rank would have never wimped out like him. Even today regulars hate it when they are supported by Guard.
Yes, special duty assignments didn't always mean full military training. Sometimes expediency was more important than safety of taking the time to train to proper levels in combat but some attempt should have been made anyway!
Oh, don't say anything about the national guard or Reserve. I've trained with them for years and found most times they were more innovated than the so called regular army. The key was always training and equipment!
Screw you. My son is a National Guard helicopter pilot. A combat veteran. Iraq and Syria. I'm his father a retired Army 1SG and combat veteran. Enough said.
My is Son is National Guard. 3 years Infantry. After ROTC he was commisioned an Lt. in Aviation.He did a year in Iraq and Syria Flying Combat Missions in CH-47. They flew a lot of Special Operations Missions. He received the Army Air Medal with "C" device for Combat. They took a lot of fire. CPT. Stetzer. I'm a retired Army 1SG myself. Proud of my Son and Daughter. We've all been deployed to Combat. My daughter was stabbed while home for Thanksgiving. After many surgeries and different in and out patient therapy, she was medically discharged.
Good thinking Germans, don't cover the exit and immediately shoot up into the air before you even leave the front of the church. Sorry, BAD writing and BAD characters!?
Pretty good shot with pistols considering their technique...must have been a hundred rounds in each magazine. Lame lame lame. Poor episode. Bad writing. The writers should stick to air missions. It was so lame I had to finish watching it. After the clerk runs out of the church with the crucifix and gets shot...why did the Germans stand up and huddle around him assuming he was the only one inside the church? Didn't they see several people shoooting at them before the clerk ran out? Poor writing. Enough said about this episode. If you want to watch a really awful script, watch it. Otherwise move on. I need a life. Retired and clueless what to do. Problem is me...not fifty year old tv shows.
@@dindinprivate3477 wrong, they were trained to escape and evade, but they did fail in overall combat training. This was something that was looked into but speed in training was over the likelihood of combat!
Read your history. Stalin was already in power well before WWII. Russia was invaded during both WWI & WWII (along with wars in the 1800's), and, at some point, by most Western powers (Germany, Italy, France, England, USA, etc - why Russians don't trust NATO). After WWII, Stalin announced Russia would not be invaded again, and, indeed, has not by a foreign power since.
First time I've ever heard mention of a ball turret gunner, let alone seen one in this series.
Thank you for posting this episode. I also like Robert Lansing but can see how the series was able to continue successfully with Paul Burke.
Joe Gallagher was born to fly...AFTER General Savage whipped him in to shape.
You mean “command”,instead of “fly”.
Burke grew into the role just fine.
It's not real you know. Just thought I'd remind you. It fits the bill between serious and comedy as it's comedic whilst trying to be serious. Technically and historically the whole series is a disaster. It is entertaining if only for some of the dire content.
Colonel Gallagher ringing the bell in his hasty retreat out the back of the church was classic Hollywood.
I noticed that when they were preparing to bail out, the ball turret gunner came out of the turret wearing his chute, from what I've read, it was too cramped in there to wear a chute.
Yes, that's ALL I've ever heard also. The ball turret was made for only the smallest of men!
They way they kept flashing that pack of gum in front of the woman, I expected her to try to eat it!
Don Herron, a much beloved Canadian.
yes and no. His extreme meekness in the character seemed part of his mornings on CBC. I don't like Macho.. but I am not keen on fey, either. gentle as a girl. I am sorry, I apologize. That was aggressive of me. Guess my nationality.
@@donofon1014 May wish to try Harron's other roles. He was "set up" by the script here. In the Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea episode "Doomsday" he tangles forcefully enough with Admiral Nelson over whether or not to fire the missiles....
KAMANSKY Is sacred OF RATS LoL
When they parachute out- no one yells : Geronimo!
Flying must be like big rig driving...addictive
Glad the co pilot squeezed off a few .45 cal rounds at the 300 mph fighters!
Komanski is a very brave non-com in all episodes of 12 O'clock High. But he's terrified of RATS????
Yeah, it's hard to believe.
The .50 cal BMG those guys are hauling around actually weighs about 80 lbs. They must be REALLY strong guys!
To think, Kamansky was hit with a tax evasion change in the 80s but was allowed out of the clinker on a work-release program.
lugging an 80 plus pound machine gun around is pretty hard. Wonder if during the War anyone took along Carbines or Thompson's with them. Seen photographs of pilots in the pacific getting into there aircraft with thompson's, etc.
B-17F and B-17G flew a mixed ,bag ,.late 1943
Every Single Episode includes a close up of a P 47 Thunderbolt's unique gun array firing away at the B 17's. They got to bring down that traitor next season!!
The moment you wear the enemy's uniform (see 29:42) you can be shot on the spot as a spy. Of course, that would have been the end of the series! Regards
Or out of your own uniform! In enemy held territory, you would be shot on the spot!
“Twelve O’Clock High, has been brought to you by!”
That was on this? I better go back...yes, they used to do that on the old shows, fore and aft. If your local station was running very old syndication prints, you'd see these for a long time until the newer prints arrived....
Great movie 3/24/24
Each episode of this very valuable series is like it's own movie depicting the ravages and realities of war in many angles. I don't think a TV production could be done any better!! Although I did not like the fact that Robert Lansing was replaced by Paul Burke it was lucky he worked out very well.
This is right up with Band of Brothers
With a cast of expendable co pilots
I agree. This series was a classic series...
'Owls'. Thank you. Appreciate the hat tip to a great show and it's cast.
poor actors! wearing heavy jackets under a 100F sun, a few miles from LA.
Luiz A S Gallicchio should have been filmed in Northern California.
Filming was done in Florida and a little bit in Alabama.
Shouting "White cloth! White cloth!" Looks...can't find any...so picks up crucifix laying on top of white cloth. (In B&W.. so could have been another color...shade of yellow, blue or green) but kinda funny.
Welcome to world War two air combat as newer models entered service the mixed bag as it was called
So they had kill off Pete.....how come the co-pilot always has to bite the bullet!!!
He's blocking the pilot of course. That's why he always gets nailed.
Yah but this time it was on the ground
Just like the red shirts on Star Trek
Sidelights.
Lordy, I had hoped our CoPilot was set to make it out with Gallegher and Komansky. I should have guessed. Still a surprise to me. Of course, QMs Invaders ran through all of David Vincent's pals, or most of them, all the time.
And thank you for the hat tip to actor Phil Bruns....
PS. I meant S I m f l I g h t ...my machinery always changes spelling, screen too small for adequate proofing...
Senator Clayton Johnson is a General now?
Did the belly gunner pop up at 5:00? First time BG showed up?
Just started watching this one to the intro music.. looks like it might be a clunker
I don't understand why the Germans started firing on a position that had not fired on them?!
Not a bad episode, but reflects how show had peaked & was on way down. Note: You gotta reload sometime guys.
Those two German bodies must have stunk up the place real bad.
Looked pretty fresh actually and its Russian front, cold as hell even without snow so
Adam Scott. Yes, figured that might have helped...
It looked like the crew had 50 stars on there patches, and scenes they had 48 stars.
M. Robert Maretic No, they had 48 stars.
8 rows of 8 stars.. staggered...48 stars
Last I tried I got 64 states from you . Start Naming..
Wow an American p47 strafing an American b 17 someone really should have checked these shows before showing them
The P47 had aong career on this show.
This is so bad in every aspect that I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Endure, endure....
This is the first episode where things turn "stupid". This is where the writers fail, when non-sensical things start happening.
Bless you brother !!! I know what SNAFU meant in the military, but this dizzying display of ineptness in the characters seems to reflect the writers themselves. Weird note, the severely annoying cowardly Travis ( Don Harron) came home to Canada for some more acting, but gained real fame as the host of CBC radio's flagship morning show for a few years. Shatner was in an earlier episode, same Shakespeare Festival background at Stratford ONTARIO... but the US got to keep him. Not long from this to Star Trek. Women and being on the ground in occupied territory brought out the worst writing I think. On the other hand, there was this urge to write a morality tale, as in the Law & Order franchise, but most hour long dramas have a bad guy, an agent or cop and a shoot out having crashed cars trucks and helicopters in the process.
Boeing should have added a retractable ball turret. Also note main chutes were on their backs, reserve chutes were on lower belly area
The belly chute was a one and only for the aircrew. They wear a harness, and snap the parachute onto it. Its too cramped and crowded to wear a backpack chute inside the B-17
Boeing had a simpler, lesser version of the b17 when first deployed, it was already so much to make that by then, can't expect more
If it was Russian territory than the Church, it it existed under Stalinist rule would have been Russian Orthodox.
Eastern Orthodox Christian Church
Yes and that mean different style of Christian worship. The Eastern Orthodox churches excel in the style of iconography that still exists today. This architecture was more Romanesque/Gothic.
Pure apostasy. @@GIOVANNI1955C
Pardon my ignorance But using an aircraft's 3 axes of rotation would some one please tell me where the Hell 3:00 o'clock high is ?
Above right wingtip.....
Your front is 12:00, rear is 6:00. So , 3:00 is your right 90° on a compass. High or low is in relation to your position. High is above, low is below. Hope this helps. Retired Army 1SG here.
But when the pilots looked up they were looking up at 2 or 1
Landscape look so Californian! Dry, sunny blue skies. Were 60s wstcher so naive they didn't care for a better film production?
As today, TV shows had limited budgets and had only a week or so to complete filming. They did what they could with what they had, and if all they had was Southern California then Belgium and Eastern Europe were going to look like high desert. And, strangely enough, there were a few Roman Catholics left in the Soviet Union despite persecution, although I doubt the production people cared that much --- probably no icons in the Fox prop department.
The women on the show all have early 60s style hairdos, the shows budget could have fixed that.
Idiots Beware.
I really appreciate your input here. Thanks very much. I have to guess that a lot of grumblers here have NO idea about what is required or was required to stage a TV show. And these had to chase a MASS audience, not a select few. Thank you for standing for the series when it can appreciate its friends too.
This episode sucks as its full of military blunders. No wonder the series didn't last 3 full seasons.
Had to fast-forward through this one... now we know why the series needed to be cancelled as referred to by others..
this is Black and White season two.. with 14 more to go... and then... Season 3 in color. This sucked... but if this was the fatal blow... it was a slow leaking wound.
I’m afraid you cant come up with a lot of plot ideas when it comes to air warfare. It’s not like Combat where the setting is rich with ideas of human drama. Kids who grew up watching Combat spent their afternoons playing soldier and enacting shooting scenes with the enemy. You cant do the same playacting and pretending to be a bomber pilot.. It was more fun doing infantry. Maybe that’s why 12 o’Clock died a slow death.
@@bettysamson4925 and I was one of those kids playing soldier in the mid-60s and enjoyed watching this with my father who was a B-17 pilot.Good point
What troops the Russia had, had nothing to do with our invasion of France...
Its fiction, like novels of course. Not a documentary. Though often it appears that the goal was to "do it for real". I can understand a complaint in this regard.
The Russian launguage is fluent with slight Ukranian accent. I am guessing the extra, playing Russian lady, is a Ukranian who emigrated to geyt away from Soviets or Germans before, during, or after War. She may well be a survivor of Eastern Front.
OR OR OR ... she is an ACTRESS !
@@donofon1014 An actress from the old world. No amount of language instruction can teach a native English speaker to speak like a native Russian or Ukranian. You end with broken Russian of Red October .
I can fake a Slavic accent ,, or German ,, or French,,, vi znaetye?
@@donofon1014 & U would sound like a Canadian retard.
Ricepaper spy ✍
This Gets Worse As It Goes On! Writing Is Bad! Sure Miss Lansing!
The acting is really bad at the beginning.
The interior of the church is too Gothic to be Eastern Europe or Russia.
Yeah, it looks more like a church in any Latin country. When they take the church from the outside on the door there is a cross looking like a normal cross, not the Russian cross. Regards
Eastern Orthodox Christian Church
@ GIOVANNI1955C
Actually, it was in a studio in southern, Ca...the bean counters @ QM were known for spending more money on scripts & cast than they did on sets & research...I've got to admit though, they turned out a thoroughly entertaining product...it was interesting to see Don Harron (Charlie Farquharson from HEE HAW) portraying SGT. Trask, the cowardly aide to the General...
@@Lazarus0357 Especially since the Great Schism of 1054. That was solved in the second part of the Twentieth Century.
So both the Western Christian Churches and the Eastern Orthodox one went for centuries strictly totally different ways for reason
Besides, in an Eastern Church you don´t sit you either stand or kneel. So chairs or banks are not commen in Community rooms
Fun Fact: The Eastern Way to make the Cross symbol from RIGHT TO LEFT also became scorned in the Western World.
The modern Horror Literature since the 19th Century uses it as a sighn of Devil´s Worshippers, last found in the classical Computer Game VAMPIRE THE MASQUARADE. BLOODLINES from 2004/05
@russellmario. Thank you for that interesting input. Appreciated.
The Master Sergeant with the Generals must be some National Guard. Any Regular who makes that kind of rank would have never wimped out like him. Even today regulars hate it when they are supported by Guard.
Not even that. if you had listened to his explanation, he was a civilian cryptographer that was drafted and sent directly to the General.
Yes, special duty assignments didn't always mean full military training. Sometimes expediency was more important than safety of taking the time to train to proper levels in combat but some attempt should have been made anyway!
Oh, don't say anything about the national guard or Reserve. I've trained with them for years and found most times they were more innovated than the so called regular army. The key was always training and equipment!
Screw you. My son is a National Guard helicopter pilot. A combat veteran. Iraq and Syria. I'm his father a retired Army 1SG and combat veteran. Enough said.
My is Son is National Guard. 3 years Infantry. After ROTC he was commisioned an Lt. in Aviation.He did a year in Iraq and Syria Flying Combat Missions in CH-47. They flew a lot of Special Operations Missions. He received the Army Air Medal with "C" device for Combat. They took a lot of fire. CPT. Stetzer. I'm a retired Army 1SG myself. Proud of my Son and Daughter. We've all been deployed to Combat. My daughter was stabbed while home for Thanksgiving. After many surgeries and different in and out patient therapy, she was medically discharged.
Kaminski grew up with those " stinking rats" in Oakland...???
If you want to see RATS, go to Managua. I'm talking about 3 or 4-pounders with asses like dogs.
No Wonder This Show Didn’t Last Long!
3 or more seasons when there were over 24 episodes per year. Sure. This episode sucked big time .. but the funeral was a few years later.
You do know that MASH ran 4 times longer than the Korean Conflict ...
Good thinking Germans, don't cover the exit and immediately shoot up into the air before you even leave the front of the church. Sorry, BAD writing and BAD characters!?
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Pretty good shot with pistols considering their technique...must have been a hundred rounds in each magazine. Lame lame lame. Poor episode. Bad writing. The writers should stick to air missions. It was so lame I had to finish watching it. After the clerk runs out of the church with the crucifix and gets shot...why did the Germans stand up and huddle around him assuming he was the only one inside the church? Didn't they see several people shoooting at them before the clerk ran out? Poor writing. Enough said about this episode. If you want to watch a really awful script, watch it. Otherwise move on. I need a life. Retired and clueless what to do. Problem is me...not fifty year old tv shows.
No, you're OK. I'm a devoted fan regardless,but I appreciate your charity toward the show nonetheless....
This is so lame.
Lame story. Couldn't finish it.
Very stupid soldiering in this story. I find it hard to believe any trained serviceman would do what these guys did from the plane to the church
Agree! from plane to church and from church to plane. one of worsest episodes.
Hey now they weren't trained infantry men. They were trained to fly, not to fight on the ground.
@@dindinprivate3477 wrong, they were trained to escape and evade, but they did fail in overall combat training. This was something that was looked into but speed in training was over the likelihood of combat!
Russian FRIENDS? .. boy, they sure didn't know what they were in for once Stalin
took over the Soviet Union!
Read your history. Stalin was already in power well before WWII. Russia was invaded during both WWI & WWII (along with wars in the 1800's), and, at some point, by most Western powers (Germany, Italy, France, England, USA, etc - why Russians don't trust NATO). After WWII, Stalin announced Russia would not be invaded again, and, indeed, has not by a foreign power since.
all the episodes to date were great, this one is utter crap...
2:17 This is bad acting.
Eine Ami Kacke 😂