Myths. Sun revolved around the earth, that it was flat. Myth 1. Emotions don't show on your face. Our brain is guessing on interpretation. Presumed Universal expressions 3:30 They are stereotypes of emotions. Science of emotion stereotypes. And how could we have global misunderstanding? .... You are recognizing a scowl, not the emotion, per se. Yet there is the microsoft facial recognition being developed.... Myth 2. Women are more emotional than men. Gendered view of emotion. Women expressing anger is given heavier sentences. stereotypes. Myth 3. There are dedicated emotion circuits in the brain. Amygdala - "fear circuit" but not. "Emotions are complex constructions and not simple circuits" They are not built into your brain, they are built by your brain. We have more control than we think.
I think the 2nd item, the stereotype that women are more emotional has a lot of impact for autistic people. The old theory of looking at autism as the extreme male brain was enforced by that stereotype. And I think it has also impact on diagnosing people with autism. Autism also cause emotions that non autistic people don't expect. And when coming from males, people notice that easier than when the emotions come from females. Females with autism are not detected because emotions are more expected and the emotions are explained as having other causes. Males with autism which show their emotions are detected easily. But intelligent males which hide their emotions better because they learned to do so to avoid misunderstandings are also missed. And about the 3th item (dedicated emotion circuits): I am very intrested in the theory about the predictive brain, because I think it can have a lot of impact on how we look at autism and might be the base for learning very useful things about autism. I am following the Belgian autism expert Peter Vermeulen to learn more about that. He is writing a book about that and I have no doubt it will be worth reading it.
if facial movements aren't universal - what does this do to the diagnostic tools used for autism/spectrum disorders around the ability/inability to read facial expressions?
So for someone with autism, they would see the Serena Williams facial expression the way we saw it at first even AFER the context is there, to simplify it.
I felt it lacks a little bit of references, citations. It sounds just oversimplified and biased... Maybe the time was too short for a deeper explanation... Who knows
The book has a lot of references from different authors, but I copied her self references so you can check some of them up. I'm sure not all of them are Open Access, but hope you can find most of them (apologies in advance for the awful formatting of TH-cam Comments): Barrett, Deborah. 2012. Paintracking: Your Personal Guide to Living Well with Chronic Pain. New York: Prometheus Books. Barrett, Lisa Feldman. 2006a. “Are Emotions Natural Kinds?” Perspectives on Psychological Science 1 (1): 28-58. ---. 2006b. “Solving the Emotion Paradox: Categorization and the Experience of Emotion.” Personality and Social Psychology Review 10 (1): 20-46. ---. 2009. “The Future of Psychology: Connecting Mind to Brain.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 4 (4): 326-339. ---. 2011a. “Bridging Token Identity Theory and Supervenience Theory Through Psychological Construction.” Psychological Inquiry 22 (2): 115-127. ---. 2011b. “Was Darwin Wrong about Emotional Expressions?” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (6): 400-406. ---. 2012. “Emotions Are Real.” Emotion 12 (3): 413-429. ---. 2013. “Psychological Construction: The Darwinian Approach to the Science of Emotion.” Emotion Review 5: 379-389. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Moshe Bar. 2009. “See It with Feeling: Affective Predictions During Object Perception.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 364 (1521): 1325-1334. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Eliza Bliss-Moreau. 2009a. “Affect as a Psychological Primitive.” Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 41: 167-218. ---. 2009b. “She’s Emotional. He’s Having a Bad Day: Attributional Explanations for Emotion Stereotypes.” Emotion 9 (5): 649-658. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, James Gross, Tamlin Conner Christensen, and Michael Benvenuto. 2001. “Knowing What You’re Feeling and Knowing What To Do About It: Mapping the Relation Between Emotion Differentiation and Emotion Regulation.” Cognition and Emotion 15 (6): 713-724. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, Eliza Bliss-Moreau, Seth Duncan, Maria Gendron, Jennifer Mize, and Lauren Brennan. 2007. “Of Mice and Men: Natural Kinds of Emotions in the Mammalian Brain? A Response to Panksepp and Izard.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 2 (3): 297-311. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, and Maria Gendron. 2007. “Language as Context for the Perception of Emotion.” Trends in Cognitive Sciences 11 (8): 327-332. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Batja Mesquita, and Maria Gendron. 2011. “Context in Emotion Perception.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (5): 286-290. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Lucy Robin, Paula R. Pietromonaco, and Kristen M. Eyssell. 1998. “Are Women the ‘More Emotional’ Sex? Evidence from Emotional Experiences in Social Context.” Cognition and Emotion 12 (4): 555-578. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and James A. Russell. 1999. “Structure of Current Affect: Controversies and Emerging Consensus.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 8 (1): 10-14. ---, eds. 2015. The Psychological Construction of Emotion. New York: Guilford Press. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Ajay B. Satpute. 2013. “Large-Scale Brain Networks in Affective and Social Neuroscience: Towards an Integrative Functional Architecture of the Brain.” Current Opinion in Neurobiology 23 (3): 361-372. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and W. Kyle Simmons. 2015. “Interoceptive Predictions in the Brain.” Nature Reviews Neuroscience 16 (7): 419-429. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Michele M. Tugade, and Randall W. Engle. 2004. “Individual Differences in Working Memory Capacity and Dual-Process Theories of the Mind.” Psychological Bulletin 130 (4): 553-573.
She might be totally right about this. But the fast-food-format of wired live, Ted and the likes end up being too superficial. I really hope people see this as an appetizer for this topic to go deeper into this... and not take this as a basis for a debate.
The book has a lot of references from different authors, but I copied her self references so you can check some of them up. I'm sure not all of them are Open Access, but hope you can find most of them (apologies in advance for the awful formatting of TH-cam Comments): Barrett, Deborah. 2012. Paintracking: Your Personal Guide to Living Well with Chronic Pain. New York: Prometheus Books. Barrett, Lisa Feldman. 2006a. “Are Emotions Natural Kinds?” Perspectives on Psychological Science 1 (1): 28-58. ---. 2006b. “Solving the Emotion Paradox: Categorization and the Experience of Emotion.” Personality and Social Psychology Review 10 (1): 20-46. ---. 2009. “The Future of Psychology: Connecting Mind to Brain.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 4 (4): 326-339. ---. 2011a. “Bridging Token Identity Theory and Supervenience Theory Through Psychological Construction.” Psychological Inquiry 22 (2): 115-127. ---. 2011b. “Was Darwin Wrong about Emotional Expressions?” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (6): 400-406. ---. 2012. “Emotions Are Real.” Emotion 12 (3): 413-429. ---. 2013. “Psychological Construction: The Darwinian Approach to the Science of Emotion.” Emotion Review 5: 379-389. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Moshe Bar. 2009. “See It with Feeling: Affective Predictions During Object Perception.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences 364 (1521): 1325-1334. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Eliza Bliss-Moreau. 2009a. “Affect as a Psychological Primitive.” Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 41: 167-218. ---. 2009b. “She’s Emotional. He’s Having a Bad Day: Attributional Explanations for Emotion Stereotypes.” Emotion 9 (5): 649-658. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, James Gross, Tamlin Conner Christensen, and Michael Benvenuto. 2001. “Knowing What You’re Feeling and Knowing What To Do About It: Mapping the Relation Between Emotion Differentiation and Emotion Regulation.” Cognition and Emotion 15 (6): 713-724. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, Eliza Bliss-Moreau, Seth Duncan, Maria Gendron, Jennifer Mize, and Lauren Brennan. 2007. “Of Mice and Men: Natural Kinds of Emotions in the Mammalian Brain? A Response to Panksepp and Izard.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 2 (3): 297-311. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, and Maria Gendron. 2007. “Language as Context for the Perception of Emotion.” Trends in Cognitive Sciences 11 (8): 327-332. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Batja Mesquita, and Maria Gendron. 2011. “Context in Emotion Perception.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (5): 286-290. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Lucy Robin, Paula R. Pietromonaco, and Kristen M. Eyssell. 1998. “Are Women the ‘More Emotional’ Sex? Evidence from Emotional Experiences in Social Context.” Cognition and Emotion 12 (4): 555-578. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and James A. Russell. 1999. “Structure of Current Affect: Controversies and Emerging Consensus.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 8 (1): 10-14. ---, eds. 2015. The Psychological Construction of Emotion. New York: Guilford Press. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Ajay B. Satpute. 2013. “Large-Scale Brain Networks in Affective and Social Neuroscience: Towards an Integrative Functional Architecture of the Brain.” Current Opinion in Neurobiology 23 (3): 361-372. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and W. Kyle Simmons. 2015. “Interoceptive Predictions in the Brain.” Nature Reviews Neuroscience 16 (7): 419-429. Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Michele M. Tugade, and Randall W. Engle. 2004. “Individual Differences in Working Memory Capacity and Dual-Process Theories of the Mind.” Psychological Bulletin 130 (4): 553-573.
@Mourning Star Women and Men generally differ in the emotions they express because of their social conditioning. But we just tend to label a woman expressing something as emotion more than we do men and we also discount anger more, which men express more often (generally).
@@rachmaninovwasemo2313it’s not social conditioning. It’s the difference in hormones. Women have fluctuating hormones while male hormones raise over time unless there’s something causing a change Men and women simply have different interests. Ladies have had the choice the past 50 years, nobody’s forcing ladies to choose their interests
Dear Dr. Feldman, thank you for sharing your valuable knowledge. I have listened to many of your lectures and will continue doing so with enthusiasm and pleasure. I got the point that your research shows that the facial expressions of emotions do not, always, accurately, represent the internal emotional states of a person, which is great to know. Also our mind sometimes misunderstands the expressions of emotions in others based on our inner emotional state which is a also a very valuable knowledge to have. My issue is with the way you, sometimes, present your points which can come across as arrogant and disrespectful. This is partially based on your facial expressions, your choice of words, your tone of voice and body postures. I am saying this as a mother and grandmother figure, because you frequently mention that you receive angry comments or even threats.
I don't think Dr Barrett needs to change anything about what she's doing or how she's getting her message across. The issue is not with her, it's with the people who express such levels of anger about something so ridiculous.
Thank you dear for responding. ❤💐❤@@AisforAtheist I believe that facial expressions of emotions and the ability to read them have a great survival value and should not dismissed, so readily, even if one of her research studies has such results. I am sure she is making a lot of people very mad by saying that. Many professionals in social sciences believe that Dr. Barret really believes that reading and interpreting facial expressions of emotions has no value because she is honestly unable to read or interpret the expressions.
@@katiethenaturelover oh really? That's interesting! I didn't know people thought she couldn't read facial expressions well lol. That seems a bit far-fetched to me since she's been doing research on emotion for so many years. Her own ability to read expression shouldn't be a factor in her research though, and I doubt it is. She's basing her findings on evidence from many different peer-reviewed studies as well as her own. My only issue with your original comment is that you asked her to change her natural expressions for something more suited to our culture's typical facial expressions. Even before hearing Dr Barrett explain her findings, I would've thought that was an odd thing to do. Especially to a woman who is a professional with credentials and awards that list on and on. She shouldn't have to change her natural expression to present her work. Ever. A man wouldn't have to. I highly doubt a man would ever find that kind of comment on his videos. As a woman, I'm sure you know what it feels like to be told you need to squeeze yourself into that feminine role to be accepted in the workplace and everywhere else. Beyond that, I don't see what you're seeing. Maybe it's because I've watched nearly 10 interviews with her now on large and small channels. She may not be the most emotive person in the world, but I think she's delightful. She's got a great sense of humor and is incredible at explaining her research so that laypeople (like me) can understand it. I hope this all makes sense. I tend to ramble lol. Thank you for writing back as well, and for being so nice. A lot of times people lose their humanity in comment sections like they aren't speaking to actual humans. It's nice to meet someone kind. :)
It was not meant to be an insult. Since most of our brain power is used in processing, analyzing and interpreting social and emotional interactions, it is not unusual for successful scientists and inventors to suffer from some degree of Asperger's syndrome. They have extra brain power that can be used to explore other matters. @@AisforAtheist
@@AisforAtheist I just wanted to support you on this reply. Isn’t this one of the exact points Dr. Berrett was making? I guarantee you the OP would not have made this comment if she were a man.
I know she has a PhD in Neuroscience so it would be interesting to see a long format were she talk about #2. I think the thing about emotions is true but I think the follow up question about scale in other words how happy, anger, sad are you are important and also the reaction because for the outside world nobody knows about your emotions only how you react to them in an outward manifestation. So the question might be to women outwardly express their emotion more than men.
Everyone expresses emotions all the time and not always but emotional outbursts And it has less to do with gender and far more with the social norms imposed on said genders
Não posso opinar quanto ao terceiro mito, mas discordo absolutamente do que ela fala quanto aos dois primeiros. Ao meu ver, ela cria uma tese e pretende comprovar com exemplos que são exceção. Ela desconsidera todos os estudos e observações ao longo da história humana, que não são estereótipos e sim observação da realidade por muitas centenas de anos. Ela recorta rostos, retirando do contexto, de modo a comprovar suas teses, quando, na verdade nós observamos as emoções e avaliamos a situação como um todo, e não apenas expressão do rosto, mas esta sem dúvida indica a emoção preponderante, salvo no caso em que a própria pessoa esteja tentando escondê-la. Me parece uma construção similar à ideologia de gênero, onde se desconsidera a realidade e se ressalta ideias criadas pelo ser humano.
i have done some therapies in my life but it struck me that what she's saying at the end is basically a summary of those therapies. as for the less/more emotions for men and women part. it doesn't really surprise me. it's just the reaction asked from both genders what's different. i wonder what causes the difference in for example the amount of violent crimes both genders commit. the video partly provided the answer though.
Hormones have the same levels on average in men and women at different times of the month and stages of life? No hormone, such as estrogen, effects emotions? What am I missing?
Lisa is building emotions argument ideas based on exceptions. Paul Ekman researched emotions based on behavior of different cultures, ages, and genders having same facial expression of emotions. Under extreme situations, of course your face expression will show unmatched sequence of emotions. The existence of extreme situations where the face expression does not match the emotions or social context is about 1% and it does not unprove the 99% of the time where face expression matches the emotion across people of different culture, gender and ages. There are always exceptions and high variance, but this does not rule out the average broad similar behavior under the middle of the bell curve. Using her logic, if I find her talk with non sense arguments at the beginning of the talk, when she talks about emotions at 10% of the video, then that would invalidate the other 90% of the talk ? Probably.
I’ve been looking for someone else who doesn’t buy what she’s selling. Glad to have found your comment. Agree 100%. People like talking and thinking about emotions whether or not they make sound conclusions.
What I got frol her is that facial expressions alone are not sufficient to read someone's emotions. Body language and/or knowledge of context also matters. Thats a reasonable point to make and pretty obvious actually.
She explains this at length in her book why and how Ekman and various other scientists came to their conclusions and it basically comes down to a scewed method. I highly recommend her book. It's a fascinating read
I'd recommend watching more in-depth recent interviews or (like someone else suggested) read her book. New scientific findings with empirical evidence means we should be taking this information into account and deciding whether it's true or not. A 20 minute summary isn't going to get you there.
Very bad intro for a scientist. All those facial expression are out of context. When we judge people by expression on their face, we do it in video format, not photo stills. There is a context that helps us determine what is happening and facial expression is just one piece of data we use.
Incredible how superficial her assumptions are. They are fallacies. We do not bear our emotions on our sleeve. History and literature from thousands of years attest to that. These novo "scientists" live in their own world of facts. I'm so sorry people use them to educate themselves.
"Our brain is the master of deception"....how scary. 🎅 Remember when we thought Santa Claus was real? They put that in our head. Why? But now that we know the truth why do I wish he was real? Cuz I want presents...that song..." he sees u when ur sleeping etc.....U better be good for goodness sake" ...they were messing with our minds cuz we thought he could see us, how psychotic? We were so vulnerable to suggestions...now we have to still struggle with differentiating what's truth verse what's deception in our adult life "STILL!!!!"...I think the human mind was off to an unfair disadvantage from the get go...
The difference perceived between men's and women's emotions is not about experiencing emotions but relying on them and making others responsible for them. Men tend to talk about whether an action was right or wrong and why while women tend to talk about how they feel about what happened (an action) and their feelings somehow dictate whether the action was right or wrong. Unfortunately, society (including men) tends to coddle this diversion and encourage this by comforting instead of correcting.
I got the first 2 right. Enjoyment, Ecstatic. Now I'm going to guess the rest: 3:11 Perplexed. 3:26 Left-right: scorn, surprise-fear (gun pointed at them), disappointment, disgust, happy-content-anxious.
She never said women receive harsher sentences than men. She said showing anger could cause a woman to get a harsher sentence than she otherwise would have. I would imagine that sentence disparities between gender, the same as disparities between races, would be based on how dangerous society views an offender. Woman are viewed as less dangerous to society, just as black people are viewed as more dangerous, so I'm sure that explains why overall women receive lighter sentences. That is different than how we stereotype facial expressions. Women are expected to smile and appear non-threatening. A women getting angry is different than what's expected so it could cause jurors to assume it's a reflection of her character. A man getting angry in contrast would be more expected and could be seen as a reflection of anger about being accused of guilt, when he is in fact innocent. I think it has to do with the contrast between expected social norms and what is observed. If you go against the expected norm, it's going to cause you trouble whether you're a man or a woman.
@Rehaan Aamir I didn't say they were less dangerous. I said that society views them this way. And I didn't say it was right. We need to be aware of discrimination towards both men and women. We also need to be aware of grey areas. For example, in individual cases we need to be aware that women are not always the primary caretaker of children. However, when crafting public policy we need to be aware that, until society changes further, women carry the heavier burden of working and being the primary caretaker of children. Acknowledging that is not the same as saying it is right or good.
I have a question. How do males and females bond with each other? I don't see how men and women can bond (especially romantically) with each other. Women can build incredible friendships and become very close to each other in a way men can't bond, and science shows that women can bond very well with each other. Generally, women are even more social than men are. After something bad happens, a woman quickly rushes to talk to all of her female friends to get support, whereas a man can isolate himself and grief alone. Women tend to be more emotional, more caring, more empathic, more compassionate, more affectionate, more loyal, more nurturing, more understanding, more sympathetic, more sensitive, more kind hearted, more peaceful, more calmer, more gentle, more expressive, more intuitive, and more outward than men are, and thus bond more with other women in a special way that they can’t with men. Men, on the other hand, are not that emotional, and thus can’t bond with other men in a special way. Women are more comfortable being around with other women than they are with men. They have a type of bond that usually men with women won’t really have, or with men and men. Men are usually much lonelier than women are. Men don't often talk about their personal problems with their male friends like how women do with their female friends. Females produce a lot more oxytocin than males do. And that's a reason why women tend to hug a lot more and be a lot more physically affectionate than men do.
She is literally a leading expert in this field, and has published abundantly on this topic. You can find her publications here: scholar.google.com/citations?user=WF5c0_8AAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra
You equating the earth at the center of the universe to your myths of emotions is vain. The first picture you show only has half a face. Really. Yes context is important. We need the full picture.
As a scientist Im ashamed of this ridiculous low quality "research". We judge people according to the normal - average. Women tend to smile more than men, and men tend to be more agressive, therefore if someone depart from that average of course we will detect that change in emotion. This is ridiculous "science", sadly based in ideological agenda, very sad.
This is exactly why we shouldn’t mix different cultures! We can’t understand on any level! It’s bound to be a disaster, just look at the USA experiment right now!! Go Lisa!!!
Another myth about emotions is that men want to show emotions more but aren't 'allowed to'. The fact is that showing emotions more isn't something men need, it's what women think men need.
This myth was brought up because women self project themselves when it comes to males. They think men want to be more emotional because they themselves feel like that is how they would feel.
I actually like hiding my emotions. It's fun like playing a game of hide and seek. Seriously though, I experience some really strong emotional reactions as I have misophonia, so it's not something anyone wants to see me express. I feel much better if I'm able to just observe and deal with the emotions without getting all expressive.
@@Competitive_Antagonist Sure, I think it's more important to recognize your emotions and process them and less important to express them to others. I get why women want men to be more expressive, but to try to convince us that we're somehow defective if we don't cry at funerals is just another manipulation tactic some women use to get what they want.
2nd is cap, our brains and hormones are different, i wont get into details google is free but womens brain and hormones makes them more emotional Also i know both genders can be emotional, but we should all control and rationalizing our emotions through stoicism (the philosophy) and self reflection, and men are better at that cause we feel less emotion
The only reason why there ever was a stereotype about women being more emotional is because their emotions are catered to completely. Didn't wanna bring that up did you?
I don’t think the problem is that we cater too much to women’s emotions, but that we ignore men’s emotions. Even as children, boys are told to sort of “toughen up” as if they are not simply children dealing with the same emotions as the girls. I believe this is one of the reasons male suicide rates are higher. Men have too much expectation and need to be emotionless (outside of emotions like anger).
Sorry don’t agree. Yes men have emotions but that doesn’t mean they have the same response. If you don’t believe it spend a day in a “haunted house” at a fairground. Watch who screams & jumps.
@@lindai6988 In the long run, it does. When suppressing or not acknowledging emotions becomes a habit, it stays that way. Our brains are like muscles. The less we use certain parts, the harder it gets, and the more we do, the easier it gets. "Women are more emotional" is a self fulfilling prophecy.
Science is for fact finding, not to dispel myths. Wrong goal to do science... what do we mean with women are more emotional? Not per se, wonen are more emotional, their emotions fluctuate more. So what do you prove with probably this whole PhD of yours?😅
Eric Lee you’re going to believe what you want to believe. Women seem more emotional because it’s more socially accepted for them to be outwardly emotional, it doesn’t mean they feel any more emotion than men.
Very bad intro for a scientist. All those facial expression are out of context. When we judge people by expression on their face, we do it in video format, not photo stills. There is a context that helps us determine what is happening and facial expression is just one piece of data we use.
Putting the brilliant message aside, I love the design of her slides, they are superior to any other talk I have seen so far.
Myths. Sun revolved around the earth, that it was flat.
Myth 1. Emotions don't show on your face. Our brain is guessing on interpretation.
Presumed Universal expressions 3:30 They are stereotypes of emotions. Science of emotion stereotypes. And how could we have global misunderstanding? ....
You are recognizing a scowl, not the emotion, per se. Yet there is the microsoft facial recognition being developed....
Myth 2. Women are more emotional than men. Gendered view of emotion. Women expressing anger is given heavier sentences. stereotypes.
Myth 3. There are dedicated emotion circuits in the brain. Amygdala - "fear circuit" but not. "Emotions are complex constructions and not simple circuits"
They are not built into your brain, they are built by your brain.
We have more control than we think.
I think the 2nd item, the stereotype that women are more emotional has a lot of impact for autistic people. The old theory of looking at autism as the extreme male brain was enforced by that stereotype.
And I think it has also impact on diagnosing people with autism. Autism also cause emotions that non autistic people don't expect. And when coming from males, people notice that easier than when the emotions come from females. Females with autism are not detected because emotions are more expected and the emotions are explained as having other causes. Males with autism which show their emotions are detected easily. But intelligent males which hide their emotions better because they learned to do so to avoid misunderstandings are also missed.
And about the 3th item (dedicated emotion circuits): I am very intrested in the theory about the predictive brain, because I think it can have a lot of impact on how we look at autism and might be the base for learning very useful things about autism. I am following the Belgian autism expert Peter Vermeulen to learn more about that. He is writing a book about that and I have no doubt it will be worth reading it.
if facial movements aren't universal - what does this do to the diagnostic tools used for autism/spectrum disorders around the ability/inability to read facial expressions?
Indeed! You can read my answer here in the first few paragraphs: www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/sharing-a-shift-in-emotion-science
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So for someone with autism, they would see the Serena Williams facial expression the way we saw it at first even AFER the context is there, to simplify it.
I felt it lacks a little bit of references, citations. It sounds just oversimplified and biased... Maybe the time was too short for a deeper explanation... Who knows
My thought exactly. There was no need for a deeper explanation, just citing sources would do.
You should read her book regarding this. Her experiments and academic studies are all there.
@@psychhourph1557 I'm definitely going to do this. Thanks
The book has a lot of references from different authors, but I copied her self references so you can check some of them up. I'm sure not all of them are Open Access, but hope you can find most of them (apologies in advance for the awful formatting of TH-cam Comments):
Barrett, Deborah. 2012. Paintracking: Your Personal Guide to Living Well with Chronic Pain.
New York: Prometheus Books.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman. 2006a. “Are Emotions Natural Kinds?” Perspectives on Psychological
Science 1 (1): 28-58.
---. 2006b. “Solving the Emotion Paradox: Categorization and the Experience of Emotion.” Personality and Social Psychology Review 10 (1): 20-46.
---. 2009. “The Future of Psychology: Connecting Mind to Brain.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 4 (4): 326-339.
---. 2011a. “Bridging Token Identity Theory and Supervenience Theory Through Psychological Construction.” Psychological Inquiry 22 (2): 115-127.
---. 2011b. “Was Darwin Wrong about Emotional Expressions?” Current Directions in
Psychological Science 20 (6): 400-406.
---. 2012. “Emotions Are Real.” Emotion 12 (3): 413-429.
---. 2013. “Psychological Construction: The Darwinian Approach to the Science of
Emotion.” Emotion Review 5: 379-389.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Moshe Bar. 2009. “See It with Feeling: Affective Predictions
During Object Perception.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological
Sciences 364 (1521): 1325-1334.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Eliza Bliss-Moreau. 2009a. “Affect as a Psychological Primitive.”
Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 41: 167-218.
---. 2009b. “She’s Emotional. He’s Having a Bad Day: Attributional Explanations for
Emotion Stereotypes.” Emotion 9 (5): 649-658.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, James Gross, Tamlin Conner Christensen, and Michael Benvenuto.
2001. “Knowing What You’re Feeling and Knowing What To Do About It: Mapping
the Relation Between Emotion Differentiation and Emotion Regulation.” Cognition and
Emotion 15 (6): 713-724.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, Eliza Bliss-Moreau, Seth Duncan, Maria Gendron, Jennifer Mize, and Lauren Brennan. 2007. “Of Mice and Men: Natural Kinds of
Emotions in the Mammalian Brain? A Response to Panksepp and Izard.” Perspectives on
Psychological Science 2 (3): 297-311.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, and Maria Gendron. 2007. “Language as Context for the Perception of Emotion.” Trends in Cognitive Sciences 11 (8): 327-332.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Batja Mesquita, and Maria Gendron. 2011. “Context in Emotion
Perception.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (5): 286-290.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Lucy Robin, Paula R. Pietromonaco, and Kristen M. Eyssell. 1998.
“Are Women the ‘More Emotional’ Sex? Evidence from Emotional Experiences in Social Context.” Cognition and Emotion 12 (4): 555-578.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and James A. Russell. 1999. “Structure of Current Affect: Controversies and Emerging Consensus.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 8 (1): 10-14.
---, eds. 2015. The Psychological Construction of Emotion. New York: Guilford Press.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Ajay B. Satpute. 2013. “Large-Scale Brain Networks in Affective
and Social Neuroscience: Towards an Integrative Functional Architecture of the Brain.”
Current Opinion in Neurobiology 23 (3): 361-372.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and W. Kyle Simmons. 2015. “Interoceptive Predictions in the Brain.”
Nature Reviews Neuroscience 16 (7): 419-429.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Michele M. Tugade, and Randall W. Engle. 2004. “Individual Differences in Working Memory Capacity and Dual-Process Theories of the Mind.” Psychological Bulletin 130 (4): 553-573.
@@diegovasquezcaballero I do appreciate your effort, great recommendations
She might be totally right about this. But the fast-food-format of wired live, Ted and the likes end up being too superficial. I really hope people see this as an appetizer for this topic to go deeper into this... and not take this as a basis for a debate.
The book has a lot of references from different authors, but I copied her self references so you can check some of them up. I'm sure not all of them are Open Access, but hope you can find most of them (apologies in advance for the awful formatting of TH-cam Comments):
Barrett, Deborah. 2012. Paintracking: Your Personal Guide to Living Well with Chronic Pain.
New York: Prometheus Books.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman. 2006a. “Are Emotions Natural Kinds?” Perspectives on Psychological
Science 1 (1): 28-58.
---. 2006b. “Solving the Emotion Paradox: Categorization and the Experience of Emotion.” Personality and Social Psychology Review 10 (1): 20-46.
---. 2009. “The Future of Psychology: Connecting Mind to Brain.” Perspectives on Psychological Science 4 (4): 326-339.
---. 2011a. “Bridging Token Identity Theory and Supervenience Theory Through Psychological Construction.” Psychological Inquiry 22 (2): 115-127.
---. 2011b. “Was Darwin Wrong about Emotional Expressions?” Current Directions in
Psychological Science 20 (6): 400-406.
---. 2012. “Emotions Are Real.” Emotion 12 (3): 413-429.
---. 2013. “Psychological Construction: The Darwinian Approach to the Science of
Emotion.” Emotion Review 5: 379-389.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Moshe Bar. 2009. “See It with Feeling: Affective Predictions
During Object Perception.” Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological
Sciences 364 (1521): 1325-1334.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Eliza Bliss-Moreau. 2009a. “Affect as a Psychological Primitive.”
Advances in Experimental Social Psychology 41: 167-218.
---. 2009b. “She’s Emotional. He’s Having a Bad Day: Attributional Explanations for
Emotion Stereotypes.” Emotion 9 (5): 649-658.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, James Gross, Tamlin Conner Christensen, and Michael Benvenuto.
2001. “Knowing What You’re Feeling and Knowing What To Do About It: Mapping
the Relation Between Emotion Differentiation and Emotion Regulation.” Cognition and
Emotion 15 (6): 713-724.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, Eliza Bliss-Moreau, Seth Duncan, Maria Gendron, Jennifer Mize, and Lauren Brennan. 2007. “Of Mice and Men: Natural Kinds of
Emotions in the Mammalian Brain? A Response to Panksepp and Izard.” Perspectives on
Psychological Science 2 (3): 297-311.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Kristen A. Lindquist, and Maria Gendron. 2007. “Language as Context for the Perception of Emotion.” Trends in Cognitive Sciences 11 (8): 327-332.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Batja Mesquita, and Maria Gendron. 2011. “Context in Emotion
Perception.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 20 (5): 286-290.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Lucy Robin, Paula R. Pietromonaco, and Kristen M. Eyssell. 1998.
“Are Women the ‘More Emotional’ Sex? Evidence from Emotional Experiences in Social Context.” Cognition and Emotion 12 (4): 555-578.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and James A. Russell. 1999. “Structure of Current Affect: Controversies and Emerging Consensus.” Current Directions in Psychological Science 8 (1): 10-14.
---, eds. 2015. The Psychological Construction of Emotion. New York: Guilford Press.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and Ajay B. Satpute. 2013. “Large-Scale Brain Networks in Affective
and Social Neuroscience: Towards an Integrative Functional Architecture of the Brain.”
Current Opinion in Neurobiology 23 (3): 361-372.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, and W. Kyle Simmons. 2015. “Interoceptive Predictions in the Brain.”
Nature Reviews Neuroscience 16 (7): 419-429.
Barrett, Lisa Feldman, Michele M. Tugade, and Randall W. Engle. 2004. “Individual Differences in Working Memory Capacity and Dual-Process Theories of the Mind.” Psychological Bulletin 130 (4): 553-573.
Egoism is an emotion. Anger is an emotion. Possessiveness is an emotion. All the men screaming that women are more emotional is an emotional reaction.
@Mourning Star Women and Men generally differ in the emotions they express because of their social conditioning. But we just tend to label a woman expressing something as emotion more than we do men and we also discount anger more, which men express more often (generally).
@@rachmaninovwasemo2313it’s not social conditioning. It’s the difference in hormones. Women have fluctuating hormones while male hormones raise over time unless there’s something causing a change
Men and women simply have different interests. Ladies have had the choice the past 50 years, nobody’s forcing ladies to choose their interests
I have two children. Smile and anger face are not taught. They make these faces before they can see with any clarity.
Then Is trust the matching of your predication to your actual experience with another?
Dear Dr. Feldman, thank you for sharing your valuable knowledge. I have listened to many of your lectures and will continue doing so with enthusiasm and pleasure. I got the point that your research shows that the facial expressions of emotions do not, always, accurately, represent the internal emotional states of a person, which is great to know. Also our mind sometimes misunderstands the expressions of emotions in others based on our inner emotional state which is a also a very valuable knowledge to have. My issue is with the way you, sometimes, present your points which can come across as arrogant and disrespectful. This is partially based on your facial expressions, your choice of words, your tone of voice and body postures. I am saying this as a mother and grandmother figure, because you frequently mention that you receive angry comments or even threats.
I don't think Dr Barrett needs to change anything about what she's doing or how she's getting her message across. The issue is not with her, it's with the people who express such levels of anger about something so ridiculous.
Thank you dear for responding. ❤💐❤@@AisforAtheist I believe that facial expressions of emotions and the ability to read them have a great survival value and should not dismissed, so readily, even if one of her research studies has such results. I am sure she is making a lot of people very mad by saying that. Many professionals in social sciences believe that Dr. Barret really believes that reading and interpreting facial expressions of emotions has no value because she is honestly unable to read or interpret the expressions.
@@katiethenaturelover oh really? That's interesting! I didn't know people thought she couldn't read facial expressions well lol. That seems a bit far-fetched to me since she's been doing research on emotion for so many years. Her own ability to read expression shouldn't be a factor in her research though, and I doubt it is. She's basing her findings on evidence from many different peer-reviewed studies as well as her own.
My only issue with your original comment is that you asked her to change her natural expressions for something more suited to our culture's typical facial expressions. Even before hearing Dr Barrett explain her findings, I would've thought that was an odd thing to do. Especially to a woman who is a professional with credentials and awards that list on and on.
She shouldn't have to change her natural expression to present her work. Ever.
A man wouldn't have to. I highly doubt a man would ever find that kind of comment on his videos.
As a woman, I'm sure you know what it feels like to be told you need to squeeze yourself into that feminine role to be accepted in the workplace and everywhere else.
Beyond that, I don't see what you're seeing. Maybe it's because I've watched nearly 10 interviews with her now on large and small channels. She may not be the most emotive person in the world, but I think she's delightful. She's got a great sense of humor and is incredible at explaining her research so that laypeople (like me) can understand it.
I hope this all makes sense. I tend to ramble lol. Thank you for writing back as well, and for being so nice. A lot of times people lose their humanity in comment sections like they aren't speaking to actual humans. It's nice to meet someone kind. :)
It was not meant to be an insult. Since most of our brain power is used in processing, analyzing and interpreting social and emotional interactions, it is not unusual for successful scientists and inventors to suffer from some degree of Asperger's syndrome. They have extra brain power that can be used to explore other matters. @@AisforAtheist
@@AisforAtheist I just wanted to support you on this reply. Isn’t this one of the exact points Dr. Berrett was making? I guarantee you the OP would not have made this comment if she were a man.
I know she has a PhD in Neuroscience so it would be interesting to see a long format were she talk about #2. I think the thing about emotions is true but I think the follow up question about scale in other words how happy, anger, sad are you are important and also the reaction because for the outside world nobody knows about your emotions only how you react to them in an outward manifestation. So the question might be to women outwardly express their emotion more than men.
Depend upon what expressing means to you.May be you express by working
Everyone expresses emotions all the time and not always but emotional outbursts
And it has less to do with gender and far more with the social norms imposed on said genders
I’d love to see a debate between Lisa and Jordan Peterson.
He would probably get impatient. She’s a slow, stuttering, redundant processor when she is in an interview. His mind is phenomenally fast.
She's careful about how she answers. Peterson is impulsive.
Use this time stamp 5:30
Não posso opinar quanto ao terceiro mito, mas discordo absolutamente do que ela fala quanto aos dois primeiros. Ao meu ver, ela cria uma tese e pretende comprovar com exemplos que são exceção. Ela desconsidera todos os estudos e observações ao longo da história humana, que não são estereótipos e sim observação da realidade por muitas centenas de anos. Ela recorta rostos, retirando do contexto, de modo a comprovar suas teses, quando, na verdade nós observamos as emoções e avaliamos a situação como um todo, e não apenas expressão do rosto, mas esta sem dúvida indica a emoção preponderante, salvo no caso em que a própria pessoa esteja tentando escondê-la. Me parece uma construção similar à ideologia de gênero, onde se desconsidera a realidade e se ressalta ideias criadas pelo ser humano.
In business contexts it is seldom of advantage to show emotions
Great talk
facial stereotypings of emotions propagated by filming industry
EK Lim it does contribute doesn’t it?
And preschool
i have done some therapies in my life but it struck me that what she's saying at the end is basically a summary of those therapies.
as for the less/more emotions for men and women part. it doesn't really surprise me. it's just the reaction asked from both genders what's different.
i wonder what causes the difference in for example the amount of violent crimes both genders commit. the video partly provided the answer though.
Hormones have the same levels on average in men and women at different times of the month and stages of life? No hormone, such as estrogen, effects emotions? What am I missing?
Dopamine, serotonin, endorphins, and oxytocin affect emotions. Estrogen might indirectly affect some of the above.
Lisa is building emotions argument ideas based on exceptions. Paul Ekman researched emotions based on behavior of different cultures, ages, and genders having same facial expression of emotions. Under extreme situations, of course your face expression will show unmatched sequence of emotions. The existence of extreme situations where the face expression does not match the emotions or social context is about 1% and it does not unprove the 99% of the time where face expression matches the emotion across people of different culture, gender and ages. There are always exceptions and high variance, but this does not rule out the average broad similar behavior under the middle of the bell curve. Using her logic, if I find her talk with non sense arguments at the beginning of the talk, when she talks about emotions at 10% of the video, then that would invalidate the other 90% of the talk ? Probably.
I’ve been looking for someone else who doesn’t buy what she’s selling. Glad to have found your comment. Agree 100%. People like talking and thinking about emotions whether or not they make sound conclusions.
What I got frol her is that facial expressions alone are not sufficient to read someone's emotions. Body language and/or knowledge of context also matters.
Thats a reasonable point to make and pretty obvious actually.
She explains this at length in her book why and how Ekman and various other scientists came to their conclusions and it basically comes down to a scewed method. I highly recommend her book. It's a fascinating read
I'd recommend watching more in-depth recent interviews or (like someone else suggested) read her book. New scientific findings with empirical evidence means we should be taking this information into account and deciding whether it's true or not.
A 20 minute summary isn't going to get you there.
Very bad intro for a scientist. All those facial expression are out of context. When we judge people by expression on their face, we do it in video format, not photo stills. There is a context that helps us determine what is happening and facial expression is just one piece of data we use.
Incredible how superficial her assumptions are. They are fallacies. We do not bear our emotions on our sleeve. History and literature from thousands of years attest to that. These novo "scientists" live in their own world of facts. I'm so sorry people use them to educate themselves.
"Our brain is the master of deception"....how scary. 🎅 Remember when we thought Santa Claus was real? They put that in our head. Why? But now that we know the truth why do I wish he was real? Cuz I want presents...that song..." he sees u when ur sleeping etc.....U better be good for goodness sake" ...they were messing with our minds cuz we thought he could see us, how psychotic? We were so vulnerable to suggestions...now we have to still struggle with differentiating what's truth verse what's deception in our adult life "STILL!!!!"...I think the human mind was off to an unfair disadvantage from the get go...
The difference perceived between men's and women's emotions is not about experiencing emotions but relying on them and making others responsible for them. Men tend to talk about whether an action was right or wrong and why while women tend to talk about how they feel about what happened (an action) and their feelings somehow dictate whether the action was right or wrong. Unfortunately, society (including men) tends to coddle this diversion and encourage this by comforting instead of correcting.
I got the first 2 right. Enjoyment, Ecstatic. Now I'm going to guess the rest: 3:11 Perplexed. 3:26 Left-right: scorn, surprise-fear (gun pointed at them), disappointment, disgust, happy-content-anxious.
8:46 This is a bit dishonest.. don't men still get more severe sentences, even for the same crime?
she reverse the reality
The opposite is true.
Just google 'gender sentencing gap' and it's clear she's completely incorrect about this.
She never said women receive harsher sentences than men. She said showing anger could cause a woman to get a harsher sentence than she otherwise would have. I would imagine that sentence disparities between gender, the same as disparities between races, would be based on how dangerous society views an offender. Woman are viewed as less dangerous to society, just as black people are viewed as more dangerous, so I'm sure that explains why overall women receive lighter sentences. That is different than how we stereotype facial expressions. Women are expected to smile and appear non-threatening. A women getting angry is different than what's expected so it could cause jurors to assume it's a reflection of her character. A man getting angry in contrast would be more expected and could be seen as a reflection of anger about being accused of guilt, when he is in fact innocent. I think it has to do with the contrast between expected social norms and what is observed. If you go against the expected norm, it's going to cause you trouble whether you're a man or a woman.
@Rehaan Aamir I didn't say they were less dangerous. I said that society views them this way. And I didn't say it was right. We need to be aware of discrimination towards both men and women. We also need to be aware of grey areas. For example, in individual cases we need to be aware that women are not always the primary caretaker of children. However, when crafting public policy we need to be aware that, until society changes further, women carry the heavier burden of working and being the primary caretaker of children. Acknowledging that is not the same as saying it is right or good.
she should give this talk on ted as well.
She did.
Yes and it was fantastic! Just saw it. :)
So do we have free will or not?
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I have a question. How do males and females bond with each other? I don't see how men and women can bond (especially romantically) with each other.
Women can build incredible friendships and become very close to each other in a way men can't bond, and science shows that women can bond very well with each other. Generally, women are even more social than men are. After something bad happens, a woman quickly rushes to talk to all of her female friends to get support, whereas a man can isolate himself and grief alone.
Women tend to be more emotional, more caring, more empathic, more compassionate, more affectionate, more loyal, more nurturing, more understanding, more sympathetic, more sensitive, more kind hearted, more peaceful, more calmer, more gentle, more expressive, more intuitive, and more outward than men are, and thus bond more with other women in a special way that they can’t with men. Men, on the other hand, are not that emotional, and thus can’t bond with other men in a special way.
Women are more comfortable being around with other women than they are with men. They have a type of bond that usually men with women won’t really have, or with men and men. Men are usually much lonelier than women are. Men don't often talk about their personal problems with their male friends like how women do with their female friends. Females produce a lot more oxytocin than males do. And that's a reason why women tend to hug a lot more and be a lot more physically affectionate than men do.
Sources, references?
She is literally a leading expert in this field, and has published abundantly on this topic.
You can find her publications here: scholar.google.com/citations?user=WF5c0_8AAAAJ&hl=en&oi=sra
Her book is called How Emotions are Made.
She IS the source -- leading expert in her field.
You equating the earth at the center of the universe to your myths of emotions is vain. The first picture you show only has half a face. Really. Yes context is important. We need the full picture.
and your point?
THE SELFISH GENE 4:27
As a scientist Im ashamed of this ridiculous low quality "research". We judge people according to the normal - average. Women tend to smile more than men, and men tend to be more agressive, therefore if someone depart from that average of course we will detect that change in emotion. This is ridiculous "science", sadly based in ideological agenda, very sad.
This is exactly why we shouldn’t mix different cultures! We can’t understand on any level! It’s bound to be a disaster, just look at the USA experiment right now!! Go Lisa!!!
Another myth about emotions is that men want to show emotions more but aren't 'allowed to'. The fact is that showing emotions more isn't something men need, it's what women think men need.
This myth was brought up because women self project themselves when it comes to males. They think men want to be more emotional because they themselves feel like that is how they would feel.
I actually like hiding my emotions. It's fun like playing a game of hide and seek. Seriously though, I experience some really strong emotional reactions as I have misophonia, so it's not something anyone wants to see me express. I feel much better if I'm able to just observe and deal with the emotions without getting all expressive.
@@Competitive_Antagonist Sure, I think it's more important to recognize your emotions and process them and less important to express them to others. I get why women want men to be more expressive, but to try to convince us that we're somehow defective if we don't cry at funerals is just another manipulation tactic some women use to get what they want.
@@R.O.T.C._SEEM men do the same with women though,e.g. "why can't she be more rational about this? Her problem would easily be solved"...
Oh wow the comments are seething, where's my popcorn? :D
Beautiful woman!
2nd is cap, our brains and hormones are different, i wont get into details google is free but womens brain and hormones makes them more emotional
Also i know both genders can be emotional, but we should all control and rationalizing our emotions through stoicism (the philosophy) and self reflection, and men are better at that cause we feel less emotion
She just explained that it's a myth that women are more emotional than men. You can be less emotional but on average men and woman are the same.
The only reason why there ever was a stereotype about women being more emotional is because their emotions are catered to completely. Didn't wanna bring that up did you?
I don’t think the problem is that we cater too much to women’s emotions, but that we ignore men’s emotions. Even as children, boys are told to sort of “toughen up” as if they are not simply children dealing with the same emotions as the girls. I believe this is one of the reasons male suicide rates are higher. Men have too much expectation and need to be emotionless (outside of emotions like anger).
@@OMGitsbacon24
Ignoring mens' emotions very often does cater to womens' emotions
Sorry don’t agree. Yes men have emotions but that doesn’t mean they have the same response. If you don’t believe it spend a day in a “haunted house” at a fairground. Watch who screams & jumps.
I agree.
It’s socially accepted for women to express their emotions but that doesn’t make them more emotional
@@lindai6988
In the long run, it does. When suppressing or not acknowledging emotions becomes a habit, it stays that way. Our brains are like muscles. The less we use certain parts, the harder it gets, and the more we do, the easier it gets.
"Women are more emotional" is a self fulfilling prophecy.
@@lindai6988
I know that I don't remotely feel emotions the way I used to when I was younger, and I think it's the same for most men.
Linda Candy THANK U
I feel like she's a little bias...
Science is for fact finding, not to dispel myths. Wrong goal to do science... what do we mean with women are more emotional? Not per se, wonen are more emotional, their emotions fluctuate more. So what do you prove with probably this whole PhD of yours?😅
But women are more emotional then men so, isn't it true instead of false? 😐
eegh
Women lie more on questions.
Serena would of been much happier perhaps if she had stayed home and raised a family rather than forced into tennis as a child.
This Phd couldn't even leave her maiden name out of her married name. Perhaps her husband wears the dress in the family.
perhaps you are an emotional pain even to yourself :)
Most part of the talk is feminism 101.
This is just dumb
youre so emotional :)
emotional male
I still think woman are more emotional. It's not about the facial we see it's about the frequency.
Eric Lee you’re going to believe what you want to believe. Women seem more emotional because it’s more socially accepted for them to be outwardly emotional, it doesn’t mean they feel any more emotion than men.
ok andrew tate simp
Very bad intro for a scientist. All those facial expression are out of context. When we judge people by expression on their face, we do it in video format, not photo stills. There is a context that helps us determine what is happening and facial expression is just one piece of data we use.