Idk why that is even a comparison, obviously genshin looks better than PGR and this comparison is pretty nitpicked, i mean have you ever seen genshin scenery? Thats an anime enjoyer wet dream
you can see a bit of an improvement here, but it's nothing compared to where they REALY improved their animations, the stages intro-outro cutscene and the ultimates, Ealy character didn't even had facial animation when they spoke in intros/outros to the point that as a relatively recent player (1year) it's realy jarring to use them and they look dead inside, it's INSANE how better it got, and the ultimates has been WuWa-tier for at least 2 years now, compared to the early ones that where more like League of legend skill-level.
waiting for someone to say that pgr is a dead game. bro... no matter how many active players, a good developer will still pay attention to the game because they are like artists who make their work to be showed, not just to sell it
I mean, I would like to know in what world PGR being a dead game (false) takes away the point of this video though XD like, wouldn't that be a self insult? "PGR is a Dead Game though", "So, even a Dead Game has better care placed in their characters than Genshin or something?" XD
@@imcat1236thanks for the heads up, but it's pointless to this hoyo glazing community 😂 If they just saw the new characters of PGR and the qols if this game, they wouldn't have dared to even try to compare anything. Just let this people enjoy their shipping arts or whatever.
@@imcat1236 I think despite the improvements, the hair physics have remained the same since release. They're good, though. Not too flashy, and not too stiff. Tasteful subtlety.
Nah, I think showing old character pgr to compare with genshin is actually better, To show even their old character got some quality despite being old character
Just as a side note, Genshin doesn't have any physics in their character screen because you are likely moving the background rather than the model itself, HI3 had the same issue when part 2 released but they then added the option to switch between the 2 types a few patches later. Genshin should really do the same.
there is still none in the game, but I can see your point. You can actually see how hair moves in animations and you'll notice there's also zero movement
I see your point but on HI3 way before part 2 , after Reburn characters started to not have hair physics like they used anymore , that reason may be because going for the more constrainted style prevents the hair from clipping the model , for example when you use Crismon Abbys you can see her hair clipp8ng A LOT , it's not a matter of detail but just a matter of creative choice in wich way they rather do things
It does that for the open world. Graphics rendering have troubles keeping up with high precision number. Moving the world around the main camera helps solving that.
@@Hlebuw3k No everything physical got shadows as its a phenomenon of something blocking the light, even light smoke and tiny dust particels in the air which are only visible with sunlight produces shadow. So you absolutely get hair shadows, if its very thin strands they would cast light shadow so secondary light source may eliminate it, but its easily noticable with thicker hairs
Just wait for Merciful one and lilith lol. One thing I like about PGR is that every robot character has robotic parts, such as joints, robotic arms, robotic legs. Kuro has continued this theme from the beginning to the present, but Merciful One does not have robotic parts because she is a creature from another dimension, or an alien.
Everyone trying to sneak a glance on Lucia Plume's cake for the first time is alway up for a surprise XD a surprise that Lucia PyroOath fixes quite vastly :v
I remember playing PGR before dropping it, the physics are unlike anything I’ve seen in a mobile gacha game. If a game that barely got recognition is able to create extremely detailed characters, why can’t bigger games do the same?
Hoyo devs know that even if they release trash characters,their players will buy it regardless. Most of their player dont really think about this things. The only thing I like is their music. They wont give a fuck about complaints because thy already have solid number of player base
Because it's a hack and slash game where the characters are the main focus. It's like in fighting games where the characters are extremely detailed compared to anything else. PGR barely puts any effort in the environment and the enemies are lower res as well. Keeps the game relatively compact and optimised
@dreadfulman5191 but PGR characters moves and combat can be pretty crazy with lots of details,logically it will be more harder to animate it consistently while GI moves and combat are way more simple and slower so it shouldn't be any problem for hoyo to make the characters design and moves animation to be more detailed. I think it's just a matter of creativity and passion put into creating the game that hoyoverse kinda lack with GI and probably they just want to reduce the production cost for the game, which i think it's suck considering how big the earnings they have from GI alone.
Their own game ZZZ runs on unity so the *Unreal Engine* excuse should fall flat every time, Unity is capable, they choose the cheap way because sheep will spend regardless so there's that. For a game that gets more than 50M every month, the eyeballs should at least move xD
I'm not blaming devs if they can't update some of their units and just stay with the current formula of their characters design. It's the leadership we should be axing.
Genshin glazers will use every excuses (game engine, fame, revenue, etc) they could think of to keep denying Genshin's flaws and will keep throwing petty takes onto whatever they're preying on (especially Kuro games). Edit: Found this amazing comment: "Genshin is colorful, no wonder the rainbow people are attracted to the game" Bruh the burn 😂
Oh as a "rainbow people" the funniest part abt that comment is that pgr has an actual out and open gender fluid character in pgr while in genshin its just all headcanons or "hinted" at So even in diversity, gi looses to to pgr LOL
@macaroll i dont know if theyre referring to the commandant themselves or lithos. im not 100% sure about lithos since he's a guy, but he didn't correct anyone when they called him a girl in some parts of the story 😅
Facts about ( Punishing : Gray Raven ) you can't even tell who the A rank/4star or S rank/5star spicialy the elements they using also they have own variant weapons every one of the characters PS. Thank you for showing Black rock shooter "brs" to ( Hoyoverse 🖕) Also next collab to pgr But in CN first " THE STORM IS APPROACHING "
i not debate you but remind you in pgr rarity is: S rank = 6 stars A rank = 5 stars B rank = 4 stars c rank = 3 stars (remember lucia and nanami have c rank omn)
Let's wait and see what they do for Genshin around the 6-8 year mark. Then, they'll likely bring everything up to industry standard and hopefully even push the bar further again. Genshin is only 4 years in.
@@Kirivera if they won't do it now, it'll be too late for them. so many open world games releasing in about 2 years span and they're using updated engines. like nte or project mugen. gi will take a huge hit.
@@Kamusari011 I wonder what they're going to do. Will it be the HI3rd Part 2 route? Or Genshin Impact 2, a whole new game that still manages to let players keep their old investments. Maybe it'll be a completely fresh start for everyone. Competition has been creeping in from all around them. Even for HSR, with Girl's Frontline 2 releasing early next month.
The main advantage about animating the hair is they dont need to think about clipping at all. At wuwa you can still see some chars hair stabbing their own torso.
@@ababil2408 Shhh!! Don't say that!! cuz this Yt Creator comparing an open world game to domain type game just bcoz they have same engines...he's not even dare to compared HI3 and ZZZ to PGR or Wuwa even though HI3 is older than PGR
It seems to me that in the first comparison in wuwa, the players spin the characters themselves, and in the gi the zoom spins, not the characters, we're spinning around them (its even worth looking at the background and it will be clear that we are not rotating the char)
I have a dream where Amber is done with being the shit unit and gets a 5* variant with a moveset like Alice from PGR :v in that same dream Jean is done babysitting Klee and goes rogue in the Favonius knights ending up becoming Bianca Stigmata XD
The engine being used differently have you even see the idle animation and the combative actions ? Compared to genshin unity is being used at their best at pgr @@mehdikiani7718
One is turning camera angle while other turning the whole character. If yall kid said I'm a genshin fanboy then sorry, i played both Kuro and Genshin and I know how to tell the differences. Not like you kids always spamming "cooked" "roasted" "burnt" everytime seeing something while the problem wasn't the same. Kids are always kids, never grow up
i think kurogame improve the quality. no matter it's old content or new content, they always improve it. While genshin, i see they only add new features and don't fix/improve old content. Peace from the players play both games
Definitely someone in Hoyoverse made a pact with the devil or some Chinese demon, I never saw anything special in their games but the community defends them as if they were the best, it's crazy
same. I never played hoyo games except HI 3 which I tried wayyy back then in 2016. And it was boring and nothing special so I dropped it. I was confused with GI hype as well because I saw the gameplay video at first sure it's an open world gacha game but combat looks boring and characters look generic so I didn't even bother to try it.
Speaking from player's perspective on "why people still play Genshin even with their lackluster character designs?" "They don't think about these kinds of details anyway and pull regardless". Answer: The attachment to that character is what made them pull regardless. This is subjective obviously, but we can't deny that Hoyoverse is so damn good at making characters feel relatable through the main quest, to the point you grew attached to them. Wuwa has been doing this lately, particularly with Camellya. People will pull and play regardless, even as people claimed "lack of details", these virtual attachment is like blind love. You get what I mean? So overall we all had that moment where, "Ooh this character looks bad", then the other person said "It doesn't look that bad to me. Plus I like their performance in the story. " You see why we all keep fighting against each other because of these different perspectives. Oh nvm we're all looking for trouble anyway, don't we? 😅
Agree. Like all this comparison is about the quality of the engine. I'm like "yeah, Kuro definitely better with PGR and wuwa, but I still don't have feeling attach to their game as strong as genshin and HSR, idk why". Hoyo characters just more "alive" to me and diversed in their design and story.
Genshin story is not that relatable only raiden and ganyu that i only feel attachment but the other characters, not really. if there is a skip button i would have been smashing it. Ganyu and raiden best character in genshin impact. ❤
Bro remember they use same engine but not the gerne itself, open-world vs non open-world, there is a lot of performance issue to consider especially for little things like hair physic.
Hopefully with this video one of the major takeaways can be that engines dont matter shit and it all comes down to the design choices of the developers on how a game looks. And unity is a very versatile engine. You can make anything from the original mario to GTA 6 in it
I want to have these games as $60 full price for base game and get new addons with content as once-paid updates for 40 bucks. F2P are orientated for crazy expenses so I don't play them much: without crazy payments they're tedious to progress and waste too much of your time to get something interesting. That's why I almost always play premium games and wish this f2p cancer is converted to proper $60 game you buy and play, having all the content without grind.
Oh, that's funny. Kuro jerks are so predictable. But you know putting Aether pfp is too corny and gives you away, right? In general it's funny how the same assholes glaze Kuro. Really the best company in the world. Instead of improving their localization and the state of the story - they buy bots to put Aether pfp and talk bs on the internet.
@@broccoli5176 imagine getting mad because people are happy with the improvements a company makes to a game. How miserable can someone be to do such thing, even autolike 🤧
I dare you check PGR now with GI 😂 You'll see how much it has improved compared to GI. BTW i forgot to mention the global patch of the game is at least 1.5 to 2 years behind the CN patch, so your actually comparing GI to PGR of 2 years ago 😂 Check first next time 😊
In the end who gives a fuck! Lets be real large silent majority still gonna play regardless, compared to small vocal minority who refuses to enjoy the best of the both world at the same time
bro, the engine when the channel's owner compared GI to wuwa, those GI sheep will said "it's the engine" and then PGR enter the chat with same engine as GI use, that's the point here. THE DAMNED ENGINE
@@mayhem_PGR silly me, wrong comment, the comment supposed to be other comment which mentioned above the open world of GI versus the world in PGR, sorry
if anything Genshin doesn't use any physics based moment, it's mostly animation coded instead. For models Genshin probably tries to reduce cost/time for development by making it as less details as possible which is why the Splash art looks so fking different from the 3D version.
Now this is a fair comparison... but the one still sent home XD Even the first gen of frames in PGR can win. And the fact that you only include BRS as the collab character XD
One developer who prioritizes the quality of his game to be better and the other developer only cares about money to make nuclear. Just kidding, don't take it seriously🗿
"b-but pgr not open world" Always with this excuse 😂 How about your proud revenue fight againt GFL 2 in term of model quality? "B-but game GFL is 2023, GI 2020" 😂
Genshin no longer cares about its players or its characters; it just copies and copies and copies from its other game, Honkai Impact, and then uses Genshin as the cash cow to fund other games where they actually treat players well. It wasn’t until Wu Wa came along that they started to shape up, and they came up with the lie that Sony was the villain preventing them from doing anything in Genshin because of exclusivity. What a bunch of clowns. But like all new gacha games, they’re going to end up killing Genshin anyway, especially since they’ll use Engine instead of Unity. They’re handing out Primogems and pulls, but the worst part is giving you a character from the standard banner-hahaha, what a joke. In the end, Genshin is no longer a game that can compete with all the upcoming releases, and Hoyoverse knows it. They’re not giving away Primogems for nothing. But their decline is evident in the new zone, with unappealing characters. I’ll skip all these characters until the next zone, because Natlan is awful.
Because people must justify why they quit Genshin/HoYo. "See?! Look at those inferior hair physics! I knew Genshin was a shit game 😡" It's all I've seen with this community, unfortunately. Yet, they call the other side children. I'm ashamed to be a part of this community most of the time. I feel like my own community just loves Kuro and its games because they hate Genshin/HoYo more.
@@Kirivera for me I quit all hoyo games. I waited for 4 years for them to release a good character designs but they only delivered for Arlecchino. My no.1 rule is if I don't like atleast 5 characters from a game then it's a drop. I currently play PGR,NIKKE and Wuwa. those games have seriously good character designs. I'm tired of hoyos overrated shiny slop.
@@cypureisreallybusy I sort of feel the same way towards Hoyo games. I'm mostly talking about HSR here, but I feel like HoYo over designs the hell out of their characters with designs that make me think they're AI generated. I can't stand Asymmetrical designs. It makes me think that the characters don't know how to dress, with how they always have mismatched shoes and leggings, or straps that do absolutely nothing. Too tacky. You can imagine this why I also really like Arlecchino. But, Genshin's designs are still great, in my opinion. Especially with Fontaine, and these new Natlan characters. Genshin and PGR pull off asymmetry pretty well with how they manage to make sense for the character, while also not being overused. I loved Crimson Weave's design so much when I first saw it that it made me finally pick up the game. She's my main. Coolest character across all anime/gacha games to me. Acheron doesn't even come close.
because kruo use their revenue to hire talents, meanwhile, GI milks their players to and use the most cost effective talent teams. because kuro shareholders are gamers, GI shareholders are businessman. i am sure their dev team cries a river everytime they bring up budget to improve their animation
Never seen the game in the left right, but it looks really nice (graphics wise) But also, Genshin sort of has an excuse as it's also meant to work in phone (idk about the other one, correct me if I'm wrong please) and the devs were making their first pc game, so while woth their current resources they (probably) could easely do phisics lime that, it'd be a ton of work for the 80+ characters, about half with long or wierd hair
To correct you, PGR (the "other game") started fully as a mobile game and only got a PC port not too long ago (like a year or so), and it can run on very potat devices--I've checked and it's actually available to install on my old phone, which is 7+ years old by now
@@carlosdeandres4774 you might already found out on your own but just in case you havent, PGR stands for Punishing: Gray Raven! Though it'll definitely show up in your search even if you just type PGR, it's a pretty great but niche game, do try it out if you want to :D
@@HandarunumakaLol they just slap physics mod like it's nothing and you people call it effort and creative. It's like praising cgi anime over manually hand drawn and carefully animated beautiful and fluid animations which took a lot of time to animate smoothly and correctly. Meanwhile you just render some load bearing physics and boom, you have received unlimited glazing.
for how unfair it is to compare these 2 games of different genres towards genshin like they always do, in this case there is a good reason for this one. when you move around, youre not actually moving the characters around, rather youre moving around the character as you can see the background also moves when you move around. because of this, theres no need to hv physics to make things move because they shouldnt in the first place. you can see the same approach implemented in WuWa as well, at least in the mobile version, idk abt the pc version tho...
Engine jerking has to be the worst part of modern gaming culture. People just don't realize that engine is just a tool and doesn't dictate how the game would actually look
I still like Genshin's handmade animations for the hair movement. It's still done in a way that isn't immersion breaking, to where I never even thought about it until this video.
@melekbasri1575 a lo que me refería es que intenta hacer ver cómo una carencia algo que no va a ocurrir en ese menú, debería haberlo echo afuera girando en círculo para comparar el movimiento del cabello. Pues Zenless Zone Zero se ve mucho mejor que este juego, se ve que todo lo que ganan en genshin lo usan para los otros 2 juegos que tienen, y otro más que estaban desarrollando.
What's the point in making these videos ?!? To cause conflict between two communities this drama has been going on for way too long i get kuro does a better job but why can't we enjoy both games in peace 😭😭
It's not about causing community wars, its just the effect of it from shills and those who knew what they are talking The main point of this video is to make a comparison of the dev's effort to improve their game Comparisons are not inherently bad, its just how people will perceive it: Either they will be an idiot and just cause wars here and there or a person with some sense, to know what needs to be improved and how the devs will act on it, wether to improve the game continuously or just let it stagnate... I play both games btw and I love both in different ways but honestly speaking? Hoyo needs to step up in improving their game
@CoFF3e_Man I agree with u but this content format is overused part of me thinks they make it just for views cuz majority of the audience in the comments are "idiots" just arguing...
Imo, i'd say it's kuro style mostly. But in PGR, because the char itself basically a robot frame, the personality behind the robot sometimes associates with the color or some resemblance from their previous frame, so it'll look familiar for the most part.
Ain't you the same community that does this all of the games before kuro comes in? You are probably forgetting how you people call every anime gacha game a genshin clone when genshin gets compared to a lesser game you like to compare it to genshin when other people compared it to other games you get mad? Ironic lmao
@@moi-meme588 no it's true when wuwa still in Beta they started talking shit about and saying "it's going to flop"...and here we are funny that it's still alive and thriving it's even nominated on one of the best mobile game of the year
PGR uses the real way of doing cloth physics. Genshin’s hair and clothes physics are regular animations and are not affected by movement. You can test it by running and turning in Genshin. You’ll notice that the hair and clothes do not deform based on your turn direction. Cloth physics is actually very expensive to do too, so maybe that’s why Genshin devs choose to make it animation based instead for their open world game. One last thing is that, if Genshin was made today, Unity has more optimized ways to use cloth physics such as having it operate on the GPU or using the Jobs + Burst compiler. But Genshin was made in 2017 and those tools weren’t around at that time. It would take too much work to switch existing characters to use those things now too.
it's probably just the fact that animation should be less taxing on the hardware so that's why genshin runs decently well on even some older mobile phones. and yes they've already shown that they're not willing to update older models by the fact that diluc's eyes are still so messed up 4 years later
@@takimi_nada that is correct! Using animations for the cloth system is less taxing because the movements are already stored. But it is different with the regular cloth system because everything has to be calculated and done at runtime every frame
when GI compared to WW, they said different engine. when GI compared to PGR that have same Engine, they said it's different genre. NGL Hoyoshills just like a cult, same as Diablo 4 and Pokemon shills. GI, Diablo 4 and Pokemon game just really bad, they are bad, and i'm not sorry.
@@moi-meme588because genshin are bunch of butthurted people that can't accept the fact that their game has so many flaws and after getting exposed by comparing they started making excuses and bringing that REVENUE as if it's a good come back
@moi-meme588 yeah IK, it's just hard too accept right. Like those people in r/gachagaming. Stomping other games that not hoyogames. Saying wuwa character flat, has no emotion, have boring animation etc. We are just proving that what you all said is wrong and then you all just got annoyed because some content creator delivering side to side comparison. 🤣 Funny enough.
@moi-meme588 really, i really like when you all keep spouting nonsense about WuWa is fine but when we delivering truth it become annoying. Same as diablo 4 and pokemon fan
@moi-meme588 yeah that's why comparison is needed. So the false accusations is invalid, and that's what this guy doing in TH-cam. I mean everyone know WuWa have inferior story compared to all hoyogames. But how we can comparing a story in a TH-cam video in the first place. And also most of the time story and music is a subjective thing. So just enjoy this objective comparison that yourself can judge with your own eyes. ☕
You know what, i have a problem with my friend because of false accusations from toxic hoyofans about WuWa. I have a hard time to convince my friends that WuWa is not like what they said. In the end they trying it and absolutely love it.
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When WuWa was released and genshin was compared to WuWa a lot, they said it's matter of engine... PGR enters the chat.
Idk why that is even a comparison, obviously genshin looks better than PGR and this comparison is pretty nitpicked, i mean have you ever seen genshin scenery? Thats an anime enjoyer wet dream
😂 they have been unusually quiet
@@ParahDies575rly? I heard it was UE5
@@NightFiberYTwhat plane of existence are you from?
b-b-bbut Genshin is open world and PGR is not 🤓😭
if you notice, pgr characters from 2019 - 2023 have an improvement in animation, starting from the eyes and also animation movements that are smoother
Es lo mismo.
you can see a bit of an improvement here, but it's nothing compared to where they REALY improved their animations, the stages intro-outro cutscene and the ultimates, Ealy character didn't even had facial animation when they spoke in intros/outros to the point that as a relatively recent player (1year) it's realy jarring to use them and they look dead inside, it's INSANE how better it got, and the ultimates has been WuWa-tier for at least 2 years now, compared to the early ones that where more like League of legend skill-level.
Even pgr has a much better 3d design😂
waiting for someone to say that pgr is a dead game.
bro... no matter how many active players, a good developer will still pay attention to the game because they are like artists who make their work to be showed, not just to sell it
And their final word "but it still can't beat genshin revenue ☝️🤓"
PGR has survived without advertising for over 2 years, which shows a lot.
Dead game = worse game literally means Taylor Swift is better than Micheal Jackson, because Micheal Jackson is dead
@@DegenerateDuck damn bro 😂
I mean, I would like to know in what world PGR being a dead game (false) takes away the point of this video though XD like, wouldn't that be a self insult? "PGR is a Dead Game though", "So, even a Dead Game has better care placed in their characters than Genshin or something?" XD
someone said GI is to old, meanwhile PGR 💀
PGR improves with every patch. This is just the character, not to mention QOL and the in-game system.
@@imcat1236thanks for the heads up, but it's pointless to this hoyo glazing community 😂
If they just saw the new characters of PGR and the qols if this game, they wouldn't have dared to even try to compare anything.
Just let this people enjoy their shipping arts or whatever.
@@imcat1236 I think despite the improvements, the hair physics have remained the same since release. They're good, though. Not too flashy, and not too stiff. Tasteful subtlety.
You meant *TOO* old.
And yes GI is *old*, oooollllllddddd, and cheap.
Remember venti hype? lol that was cringe.
PGR is old too btw
@@LiterallyVera yeah i dont really into hair physics As long as it looks good during combat its ok
Should have shown the 2024 from PGR CN just to burnt
We got flying character before GTA 6
Nah, I think showing old character pgr to compare with genshin is actually better, To show even their old character got some quality despite being old character
They releasing a literal Demi-god there
@@wiss256 Shikkikan over here having wives, while traveller is still finding his sister.
Just as a side note, Genshin doesn't have any physics in their character screen because you are likely moving the background rather than the model itself, HI3 had the same issue when part 2 released but they then added the option to switch between the 2 types a few patches later. Genshin should really do the same.
I think they had physicd in the old team selection from what i remember
there is still none in the game, but I can see your point. You can actually see how hair moves in animations and you'll notice there's also zero movement
I see your point but on HI3 way before part 2 , after Reburn characters started to not have hair physics like they used anymore , that reason may be because going for the more constrainted style prevents the hair from clipping the model , for example when you use Crismon Abbys you can see her hair clipp8ng A LOT , it's not a matter of detail but just a matter of creative choice in wich way they rather do things
It does that for the open world. Graphics rendering have troubles keeping up with high precision number. Moving the world around the main camera helps solving that.
Using PGR’s newest characters would be overkill.
Gi hair has no shadow at all
it does, or are you talking about drop shadow
@@AsterWi yeah there is, I think that because of the background
I think your real life hair has no shadow
@@Hlebuw3k No everything physical got shadows as its a phenomenon of something blocking the light, even light smoke and tiny dust particels in the air which are only visible with sunlight produces shadow. So you absolutely get hair shadows, if its very thin strands they would cast light shadow so secondary light source may eliminate it, but its easily noticable with thicker hairs
@@eraba661 nerd its a joke
Just wait for Merciful one and lilith lol. One thing I like about PGR is that every robot character has robotic parts, such as joints, robotic arms, robotic legs. Kuro has continued this theme from the beginning to the present, but Merciful One does not have robotic parts because she is a creature from another dimension, or an alien.
She a god
Everyone trying to sneak a glance on Lucia Plume's cake for the first time is alway up for a surprise XD a surprise that Lucia PyroOath fixes quite vastly :v
Imagine merciful one is a being like "the engineer" from alien franchise. Basically an alien life form knowledgable enough to become a like god
mericful one robotic parts are visible in her skin that comes with rc??!!
@@imcat1236 LILITH MENTIONED 🗣️🔥🔥
Kuro always cooking
I remember playing PGR before dropping it, the physics are unlike anything I’ve seen in a mobile gacha game. If a game that barely got recognition is able to create extremely detailed characters, why can’t bigger games do the same?
Well, because the bigger game was Made with the intentions of capitalist and not pure passion.
That's white and black perspective
Hoyo devs know that even if they release trash characters,their players will buy it regardless. Most of their player dont really think about this things. The only thing I like is their music. They wont give a fuck about complaints because thy already have solid number of player base
Because it's a hack and slash game where the characters are the main focus. It's like in fighting games where the characters are extremely detailed compared to anything else. PGR barely puts any effort in the environment and the enemies are lower res as well. Keeps the game relatively compact and optimised
@dreadfulman5191 but PGR characters moves and combat can be pretty crazy with lots of details,logically it will be more harder to animate it consistently while GI moves and combat are way more simple and slower so it shouldn't be any problem for hoyo to make the characters design and moves animation to be more detailed.
I think it's just a matter of creativity and passion put into creating the game that hoyoverse kinda lack with GI and probably they just want to reduce the production cost for the game, which i think it's suck considering how big the earnings they have from GI alone.
00:19 Alpha: "Enough! Stop shaking my bangs!."
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Their own game ZZZ runs on unity so the *Unreal Engine* excuse should fall flat every time, Unity is capable, they choose the cheap way because sheep will spend regardless so there's that. For a game that gets more than 50M every month, the eyeballs should at least move xD
I'm not blaming devs if they can't update some of their units and just stay with the current formula of their characters design.
It's the leadership we should be axing.
@@phantomsnare5925 is “the current formula” a lack of quality?
no way, ZZZ is UE? and yet uses same models (yanagi and raiden shogun have the same moveset)
Ikr, it's just weird how people using Unity as an excuse, I mean if it's just on the level of Wuwa, Unity should be more than capable.
@@hehuho890 Unity.
Genshin glazers will use every excuses (game engine, fame, revenue, etc) they could think of to keep denying Genshin's flaws and will keep throwing petty takes onto whatever they're preying on (especially Kuro games).
Edit:
Found this amazing comment: "Genshin is colorful, no wonder the rainbow people are attracted to the game"
Bruh the burn 😂
Oh as a "rainbow people" the funniest part abt that comment is that pgr has an actual out and open gender fluid character in pgr while in genshin its just all headcanons or "hinted" at
So even in diversity, gi looses to to pgr LOL
GI world is very attractive to kids. Its like cocomelon graphics
Kuro glazers cant stop crying about Genshin. What a brainless retards xdd
@@bamboozledtree6803 who's the gender fluid character in PGR???
@macaroll i dont know if theyre referring to the commandant themselves or lithos. im not 100% sure about lithos since he's a guy, but he didn't correct anyone when they called him a girl in some parts of the story 😅
ok this is cooked burnt 💀
Facts about ( Punishing : Gray Raven ) you can't even tell who the A rank/4star or S rank/5star spicialy the elements they using also they have own variant weapons every one of the characters
PS. Thank you for showing Black rock shooter "brs" to ( Hoyoverse 🖕)
Also next collab to pgr But in CN first " THE STORM IS APPROACHING "
i not debate you but remind you in pgr rarity is:
S rank = 6 stars
A rank = 5 stars
B rank = 4 stars
c rank = 3 stars
(remember lucia and nanami have c rank omn)
@@Handarunumaka in PGR there is no C rank, nanami and lucia are B ranks
@@Handarunumaka i think it's just S, A, B with only three characters being B rank
@@Handarunumaka there is No C rank on pgr.. The lowest rank is the B
Bambinata is a A rank that have even moves than some s ranks
god I feel old, being reminded that PGR was released in 2019
Every time I feel like complaining about some of kuro's games I watch those kinda videos and remember that indeed, kuro is still so much better
PGR , game that you can run even on below minimum requirements spec device
Back then i used to play in my oppo a12 but today my storage is full am going to buy new phone to play this game again
I am not surprised since genshin is not compared to the elder sister hi3rd since hi3rd updated its engine
At least they got an update, geez
Let's wait and see what they do for Genshin around the 6-8 year mark. Then, they'll likely bring everything up to industry standard and hopefully even push the bar further again. Genshin is only 4 years in.
@@Kirivera if they won't do it now, it'll be too late for them. so many open world games releasing in about 2 years span and they're using updated engines. like nte or project mugen. gi will take a huge hit.
@@Kamusari011 I wonder what they're going to do. Will it be the HI3rd Part 2 route? Or Genshin Impact 2, a whole new game that still manages to let players keep their old investments. Maybe it'll be a completely fresh start for everyone.
Competition has been creeping in from all around them. Even for HSR, with Girl's Frontline 2 releasing early next month.
pgr : full physic meanwhile GI : Manual Rig + Taper
Pgr women just have better shampoo and conditioner IG 🤷♂️
because Genshin doesn't actually have hair "physics", they're animations meant to simulate hair physics, same with cloth.
Good point
And animations are actually more costly to animate and keep together without looking wonky
The main advantage about animating the hair is they dont need to think about clipping at all. At wuwa you can still see some chars hair stabbing their own torso.
@@ababil2408 Shhh!! Don't say that!!
cuz this Yt Creator comparing an open world game to domain type game just bcoz they have same engines...he's not even dare to compared HI3 and ZZZ to PGR or Wuwa even though HI3 is older than PGR
@@Trevor.Canvas what does the genre of the game have to do with the quality of the hair physics?
It seems to me that in the first comparison in wuwa, the players spin the characters themselves, and in the gi the zoom spins, not the characters, we're spinning around them (its even worth looking at the background and it will be clear that we are not rotating the char)
Man, I love kuro's design and effort so much.
I have a dream where Amber is done with being the shit unit and gets a 5* variant with a moveset like Alice from PGR :v in that same dream Jean is done babysitting Klee and goes rogue in the Favonius knights ending up becoming Bianca Stigmata XD
wait... who is Alice from PGR?
"i had a vision" 🗣
PGR? more like PeakGR
GI is basically a liveless doll's. That's why suite for a kid's.
Then, you got nothing to prove to kids.
No way you calling other people kid when you have that things as a profile
@@user-li9vs1fe5k genshin players are kids
@@user-li9vs1fe5k He just real kid 😂
That profile just explain what kind of person are you.
time to say, because pgr is using UNITY
genshin is unity to what's your point?
genshin is unity to what's your point?
@@mehdikiani7718 PGR has more efforts at making character details than Genshin, that's the point
And genshin is using DIVIDED
The engine being used differently have you even see the idle animation and the combative actions ? Compared to genshin unity is being used at their best at pgr @@mehdikiani7718
And that's just the physics of hair. Genshin fans don't need to see what kind of fighting animations Kuro was doing in 2022...
One is turning camera angle while other turning the whole character. If yall kid said I'm a genshin fanboy then sorry, i played both Kuro and Genshin and I know how to tell the differences.
Not like you kids always spamming "cooked" "roasted" "burnt" everytime seeing something while the problem wasn't the same. Kids are always kids, never grow up
bro don't pretend to be blind, gi has idle animation and look at their hair, especially ayaka, her front hair is sticking like wax
@@gamerzarc1108You missed the point
Everyone: Analyzing the hair physics (Behave players)
Me: Analyzing something else 👀
@@Art_FlameBoltz-PGR aboba?👀
ok i think with this comparison i can find good excuse
gi rotation is more like camera rotation
while pgr rotation is the model that be rotate
I guess all the money they made went into the Hoyoreactor's budget instead of improving the quality of the game. Tragic.
thanks to not bring dilluc here👍
Now compare the weapons.
i think kurogame improve the quality. no matter it's old content or new content, they always improve it. While genshin, i see they only add new features and don't fix/improve old content. Peace from the players play both games
Thanks for this. Appreciate. Can you do. Idle animation next ?
Definitely someone in Hoyoverse made a pact with the devil or some Chinese demon, I never saw anything special in their games but the community defends them as if they were the best, it's crazy
same. I never played hoyo games except HI 3 which I tried wayyy back then in 2016. And it was boring and nothing special so I dropped it. I was confused with GI hype as well because I saw the gameplay video at first sure it's an open world gacha game but combat looks boring and characters look generic so I didn't even bother to try it.
Meanwhile, I'm just looping the video to listen to a background ambient noise that sounds like a machine running
Speaking from player's perspective on "why people still play Genshin even with their lackluster character designs?" "They don't think about these kinds of details anyway and pull regardless".
Answer:
The attachment to that character is what made them pull regardless. This is subjective obviously, but we can't deny that Hoyoverse is so damn good at making characters feel relatable through the main quest, to the point you grew attached to them. Wuwa has been doing this lately, particularly with Camellya.
People will pull and play regardless, even as people claimed "lack of details", these virtual attachment is like blind love. You get what I mean?
So overall we all had that moment where, "Ooh this character looks bad", then the other person said "It doesn't look that bad to me. Plus I like their performance in the story. "
You see why we all keep fighting against each other because of these different perspectives. Oh nvm we're all looking for trouble anyway, don't we? 😅
Sunk Cost Fallacy
@inesgmirnir788 yeah that's one of them, but I'm discussing another topic, which not a lot of people actually noticed
Agree. Like all this comparison is about the quality of the engine. I'm like "yeah, Kuro definitely better with PGR and wuwa, but I still don't have feeling attach to their game as strong as genshin and HSR, idk why".
Hoyo characters just more "alive" to me and diversed in their design and story.
"Lackluster character designs" **Looks at PGR characters** "About that..."
Genshin story is not that relatable only raiden and ganyu that i only feel attachment but the other characters, not really. if there is a skip button i would have been smashing it. Ganyu and raiden best character in genshin impact. ❤
Now show us the skill animation
Kuro games is such a creative company. I truly value all the artists that work there.
Compare coating vs outfits next lmao...Passion vs Greed.
Compare music/osts next. Sigh soulless and mediocre
even the base akin in pgr is fucn really good
@@Zero_Li24vanguard is the best
bro PGR is too old compared to GI 2019 vs 2020 btw the character quality seems better in 2019 🤣🤣🤣
Bro remember they use same engine but not the gerne itself, open-world vs non open-world, there is a lot of performance issue to consider especially for little things like hair physic.
1:46 I'm just imagining Genshin fans being like: "We have a open world!"
And PGR fans being like: "We have Black Rock Shooter!"
And I'm a PGR fan.
Nah bro you forgot about nier and DMC 5 🥶
@SHION0311 Yeah but BRS just hits differently on the nostalgia.
@@ilucaszcrying in the corner 😢😢 i missed the nier collab 😢😢 just playin pgr just recently because of wuwa.
I hope alpha is in 2.0
Cooking master vs lazy PPL
Hopefully with this video one of the major takeaways can be that engines dont matter shit and it all comes down to the design choices of the developers on how a game looks. And unity is a very versatile engine. You can make anything from the original mario to GTA 6 in it
I want to have these games as $60 full price for base game and get new addons with content as once-paid updates for 40 bucks. F2P are orientated for crazy expenses so I don't play them much: without crazy payments they're tedious to progress and waste too much of your time to get something interesting. That's why I almost always play premium games and wish this f2p cancer is converted to proper $60 game you buy and play, having all the content without grind.
Cant wait to see how Vergil will look. Imma cry hard ngl because dmc 5 was the last game🥲
true 👍 (peak of combat never exist)
Oh, that's funny. Kuro jerks are so predictable. But you know putting Aether pfp is too corny and gives you away, right?
In general it's funny how the same assholes glaze Kuro. Really the best company in the world. Instead of improving their localization and the state of the story - they buy bots to put Aether pfp and talk bs on the internet.
@@broccoli5176 Does it really hurt that much? You sound like a crybaby here😢
@@broccoli5176 imagine getting mad because people are happy with the improvements a company makes to a game. How miserable can someone be to do such thing, even autolike 🤧
@@broccoli5176 Gonna cry? 😢
The bgm is unexpectedly relaxing
PGR showing em how it’s done! Genshin just feels like the McDonald’s of mobile games, no wonder they collabed together.
One thing I can tell you, I didn't use this test to compare hair physics at all.
haha bruh they can't even do better 3D than lotus, CA, and eclipse lmao that's why I never played any hoyo games
I dare you check PGR now with GI 😂
You'll see how much it has improved compared to GI.
BTW i forgot to mention the global patch of the game is at least 1.5 to 2 years behind the CN patch, so your actually comparing GI to PGR of 2 years ago 😂
Check first next time 😊
Turning the character vs turning the camera(yourself)
In the end who gives a fuck! Lets be real large silent majority still gonna play regardless, compared to small vocal minority who refuses to enjoy the best of the both world at the same time
You're a chef, i love this.
Yet PGR can run on my i3 gen 3 laptop with igpu and 8gb ddr3 ram
Even Vera doesn't want to be compared 😂
It's cause PGR uses larger character models and they also layer the hair so they can make it have more detail and give it physics.
😐
bro, the engine
when the channel's owner compared GI to wuwa, those GI sheep will said "it's the engine" and then PGR enter the chat with same engine as GI use, that's the point here. THE DAMNED ENGINE
@@BotolPetjah it's my point, they used the engine a lot better than Hoyo did and you can see it with the character models alone
@@mayhem_PGR silly me, wrong comment, the comment supposed to be other comment which mentioned above the open world of GI versus the world in PGR, sorry
if anything Genshin doesn't use any physics based moment, it's mostly animation coded instead.
For models Genshin probably tries to reduce cost/time for development by making it as less details as possible which is why the Splash art looks so fking different from the 3D version.
I love the hair movement in PGR so much
Now this is a fair comparison... but the one still sent home XD Even the first gen of frames in PGR can win. And the fact that you only include BRS as the collab character XD
PGR 2024 models is even better
GFL 2 enters the chat
One developer who prioritizes the quality of his game to be better and the other developer only cares about money to make nuclear. Just kidding, don't take it seriously🗿
the nuclear part somehow i can agree
facts tho
"b-but pgr not open world"
Always with this excuse 😂
How about your proud revenue fight againt GFL 2 in term of model quality?
"B-but game GFL is 2023, GI 2020" 😂
Just stop. You're embarrassing me for being a part of the Kuro community. They're living too rent-free in your head.
“IT’S THE ENGINE GUYS ITS NOT THE DEV TEAM”
Genshin no longer cares about its players or its characters; it just copies and copies and copies from its other game, Honkai Impact, and then uses Genshin as the cash cow to fund other games where they actually treat players well. It wasn’t until Wu Wa came along that they started to shape up, and they came up with the lie that Sony was the villain preventing them from doing anything in Genshin because of exclusivity. What a bunch of clowns. But like all new gacha games, they’re going to end up killing Genshin anyway, especially since they’ll use Engine instead of Unity. They’re handing out Primogems and pulls, but the worst part is giving you a character from the standard banner-hahaha, what a joke.
In the end, Genshin is no longer a game that can compete with all the upcoming releases, and Hoyoverse knows it. They’re not giving away Primogems for nothing. But their decline is evident in the new zone, with unappealing characters. I’ll skip all these characters until the next zone, because Natlan is awful.
mantap bang teruskan..
I dont get the point of comparing when both games have diffrent artstyles
so.... now artstyle excuse? wow
The video is about game engine.
Because people must justify why they quit Genshin/HoYo.
"See?! Look at those inferior hair physics! I knew Genshin was a shit game 😡"
It's all I've seen with this community, unfortunately. Yet, they call the other side children. I'm ashamed to be a part of this community most of the time. I feel like my own community just loves Kuro and its games because they hate Genshin/HoYo more.
@@Kirivera for me I quit all hoyo games. I waited for 4 years for them to release a good character designs but they only delivered for Arlecchino. My no.1 rule is if I don't like atleast 5 characters from a game then it's a drop. I currently play PGR,NIKKE and Wuwa. those games have seriously good character designs. I'm tired of hoyos overrated shiny slop.
@@cypureisreallybusy I sort of feel the same way towards Hoyo games. I'm mostly talking about HSR here, but I feel like HoYo over designs the hell out of their characters with designs that make me think they're AI generated. I can't stand Asymmetrical designs. It makes me think that the characters don't know how to dress, with how they always have mismatched shoes and leggings, or straps that do absolutely nothing. Too tacky. You can imagine this why I also really like Arlecchino.
But, Genshin's designs are still great, in my opinion. Especially with Fontaine, and these new Natlan characters. Genshin and PGR pull off asymmetry pretty well with how they manage to make sense for the character, while also not being overused.
I loved Crimson Weave's design so much when I first saw it that it made me finally pick up the game. She's my main. Coolest character across all anime/gacha games to me. Acheron doesn't even come close.
because kruo use their revenue to hire talents, meanwhile, GI milks their players to and use the most cost effective talent teams. because kuro shareholders are gamers, GI shareholders are businessman. i am sure their dev team cries a river everytime they bring up budget to improve their animation
No. 21 grrrrrrrrrrrr woof woof woof segsssssss srgsssss segsssss
Never seen the game in the left right, but it looks really nice (graphics wise)
But also, Genshin sort of has an excuse as it's also meant to work in phone (idk about the other one, correct me if I'm wrong please) and the devs were making their first pc game, so while woth their current resources they (probably) could easely do phisics lime that, it'd be a ton of work for the 80+ characters, about half with long or wierd hair
To correct you, PGR (the "other game") started fully as a mobile game and only got a PC port not too long ago (like a year or so), and it can run on very potat devices--I've checked and it's actually available to install on my old phone, which is 7+ years old by now
@chronostasisch.7 Thanks for the correction. Also, is the game just called PGR or does it stand for something? Maybe I'll give it a look.
@@carlosdeandres4774 you might already found out on your own but just in case you havent, PGR stands for Punishing: Gray Raven! Though it'll definitely show up in your search even if you just type PGR, it's a pretty great but niche game, do try it out if you want to :D
doesn't genshin just animate the hair themselves
I don't get the point of the video and the comment section, that's a design choice
design excuse.... how many thing will be the excuse now? lazy still lazy i guess
@@HandarunumakaAren't the physics in game do the work easier than hair animate by hand?
@@HandarunumakaLol they just slap physics mod like it's nothing and you people call it effort and creative. It's like praising cgi anime over manually hand drawn and carefully animated beautiful and fluid animations which took a lot of time to animate smoothly and correctly. Meanwhile you just render some load bearing physics and boom, you have received unlimited glazing.
for how unfair it is to compare these 2 games of different genres towards genshin like they always do, in this case there is a good reason for this one. when you move around, youre not actually moving the characters around, rather youre moving around the character as you can see the background also moves when you move around. because of this, theres no need to hv physics to make things move because they shouldnt in the first place. you can see the same approach implemented in WuWa as well, at least in the mobile version, idk abt the pc version tho...
Engine jerking has to be the worst part of modern gaming culture. People just don't realize that engine is just a tool and doesn't dictate how the game would actually look
Kuro the best make model..😁👌
i want to floof alphas hair if thats the last thing i will do
PGR Current characters ?((
PGR = Peak: Gray Rayven
Luna is so beautiful 😍
Yes finally, now those genshin shill don't have excuse lol. Both unity, pgr is even older than gi
PGR showing the small indi company how it's really done. 😅
Aether Gazer vs genshin
Aether(the main character) vs genshin devs 😂😂😂
I still like Genshin's handmade animations for the hair movement. It's still done in a way that isn't immersion breaking, to where I never even thought about it until this video.
Bikin juga perbandingan pgr Ama hi3rd kan sama-sama game hack and slash juga
White hair women
This 2 game better than all woke trash western game
En el selector de personaje de genshin mueves el fondo, no el personaje.
No es solo eso, es toda la animación. Mihoyo con más dinero no es capaz de superar a empresas más pequeñas
@melekbasri1575 a lo que me refería es que intenta hacer ver cómo una carencia algo que no va a ocurrir en ese menú, debería haberlo echo afuera girando en círculo para comparar el movimiento del cabello. Pues Zenless Zone Zero se ve mucho mejor que este juego, se ve que todo lo que ganan en genshin lo usan para los otros 2 juegos que tienen, y otro más que estaban desarrollando.
What's the point in making these videos ?!? To cause conflict between two communities this drama has been going on for way too long i get kuro does a better job but why can't we enjoy both games in peace 😭😭
It's not about causing community wars, its just the effect of it from shills and those who knew what they are talking
The main point of this video is to make a comparison of the dev's effort to improve their game
Comparisons are not inherently bad, its just how people will perceive it:
Either they will be an idiot and just cause wars here and there or a person with some sense, to know what needs to be improved and how the devs will act on it, wether to improve the game continuously or just let it stagnate...
I play both games btw and I love both in different ways but honestly speaking? Hoyo needs to step up in improving their game
@CoFF3e_Man I agree with u but this content format is overused part of me thinks they make it just for views cuz majority of the audience in the comments are "idiots" just arguing...
compare Bianca malah dapat Jiggle Physic 🤣
Why does pgr characters' designed look similar to each other? I mean their clothes are mostly white and black, or is this their style?
apocalypse not post but literal in apocalypse, and many of them not humans but robot.
@@Gratefullyeveryday?
Imo, i'd say it's kuro style mostly.
But in PGR, because the char itself basically a robot frame, the personality behind the robot sometimes associates with the color or some resemblance from their previous frame, so it'll look familiar for the most part.
@@DarkWizarddd Ok thanks!
@@Yeah-7296 Got it 👍
Genshin can but couldn't give a F bout it
Bro compare now Environment Wuwa vs Genshin, those Hoyobots keep saying Wuwa looks dead xd just because don't have a proper device to run it.
Jesus the Kuro community is so obsessed with constantly comparing every single thing to genshin.
Ain't you the same community that does this all of the games before kuro comes in? You are probably forgetting how you people call every anime gacha game a genshin clone when genshin gets compared to a lesser game you like to compare it to genshin when other people compared it to other games you get mad? Ironic lmao
@@moi-meme588ironic that genshin started it and always the one that attacks other open World gacha and playing like their the victim
@@moi-meme588 no it's true when wuwa still in Beta they started talking shit about and saying "it's going to flop"...and here we are funny that it's still alive and thriving it's even nominated on one of the best mobile game of the year
I think the op is part of the genshin community 😂😂
U got betrayed
PGR uses the real way of doing cloth physics. Genshin’s hair and clothes physics are regular animations and are not affected by movement. You can test it by running and turning in Genshin. You’ll notice that the hair and clothes do not deform based on your turn direction. Cloth physics is actually very expensive to do too, so maybe that’s why Genshin devs choose to make it animation based instead for their open world game. One last thing is that, if Genshin was made today, Unity has more optimized ways to use cloth physics such as having it operate on the GPU or using the Jobs + Burst compiler. But Genshin was made in 2017 and those tools weren’t around at that time. It would take too much work to switch existing characters to use those things now too.
What about PGR then
it's probably just the fact that animation should be less taxing on the hardware so that's why genshin runs decently well on even some older mobile phones. and yes they've already shown that they're not willing to update older models by the fact that diluc's eyes are still so messed up 4 years later
@@ayush7800 PGR is not an open world game, so it wouldn’t be much of a problem using a regular cloth system
@@takimi_nada that is correct! Using animations for the cloth system is less taxing because the movements are already stored. But it is different with the regular cloth system because everything has to be calculated and done at runtime every frame
sounds like u know a lot about game engines 🤓🤣🤣
when GI compared to WW, they said different engine. when GI compared to PGR that have same Engine, they said it's different genre.
NGL Hoyoshills just like a cult, same as Diablo 4 and Pokemon shills.
GI, Diablo 4 and Pokemon game just really bad, they are bad, and i'm not sorry.
@@moi-meme588because genshin are bunch of butthurted people that can't accept the fact that their game has so many flaws and after getting exposed by comparing they started making excuses and bringing that REVENUE as if it's a good come back
@moi-meme588 yeah IK, it's just hard too accept right.
Like those people in r/gachagaming.
Stomping other games that not hoyogames. Saying wuwa character flat, has no emotion, have boring animation etc. We are just proving that what you all said is wrong and then you all just got annoyed because some content creator delivering side to side comparison. 🤣 Funny enough.
@moi-meme588 really, i really like when you all keep spouting nonsense about WuWa is fine but when we delivering truth it become annoying. Same as diablo 4 and pokemon fan
@moi-meme588 yeah that's why comparison is needed. So the false accusations is invalid, and that's what this guy doing in TH-cam. I mean everyone know WuWa have inferior story compared to all hoyogames.
But how we can comparing a story in a TH-cam video in the first place. And also most of the time story and music is a subjective thing.
So just enjoy this objective comparison that yourself can judge with your own eyes. ☕
You know what, i have a problem with my friend because of false accusations from toxic hoyofans about WuWa.
I have a hard time to convince my friends that WuWa is not like what they said. In the end they trying it and absolutely love it.