did my first half marathon ever in these in 1:29. Very happy with that time and will definitely be eying up low 1:20s with more that 2.5 months of training.
I love it for everything. Did a half marathon last Sunday in it. Spectacular shoe, will be backing the truck up next year when they go on sale. Not an aggressive shoe at all, so comfortable and yet so responsive. Very stable shoe shockingly, def shoe of the year for me. Congrats on the PB m8, good stuff man.
Congrats on your Chicago PB! I also like this shoe a lot. I also ran a marathon PB wearing it, just 2 1/2 weeks ago, at a 3:48. Of course, not as fast as you, sir, but I'm happy. ;)
Great reviews! Last yr I used Vaporfly for a half marathon race and what you said in this review about something feels manufactured when you wearing em vfs is true. So ive been watching your reviews and comparison and torned between MetaspeedSky+ and this one. Finally got this shoe and hopefully to cross the finishline of Sydney Marathon this September. Thank you for these reviews!
Wow! So impressive. I took my Pros on a 16 miler yesterday & determined they will be my race day shoe. I didn’t love the Pro 1, didn’t even take it on 100 miles, but the 3 is fantastic. Great job on crushing your sub 3 goal.
Well that sounds like a resounding success. Yes, the shoes may have played it’s part but largely I suspect it was a result of the increase in training. Well done all the same and I’ll will consider the Endorphin Pro 3 👍🏼
Thank you, I've been waiting for this one, not so much for the shoe, but for your performances, it is so amazing what you've achieved in such a short time. If it is possible, I'd really love to hear more in your upcoming podcast about your training for the sub-3 marathon, between you and Kieran's herculean effort this summer, I'm thinking of running a marathon myself the coming spring. Also, congrats for the 40k subs, the channel is really taking off, very glad to have been with you since the beginning.
Listening to this has now totally confused me. I’m a 4hr marathon runner. Under 2hr half and 56m 10k 23min 5K …. I used the adios pro 2 for em all and I love it. Was looking to the adios pro 3 and now I am totally wondering and confused about this decision.
Congratulations Tom on your PBs especially the half and marathon! Agree with nearly all your comments especially about longer distances. My recent video I talk about PB attempts in these shoes vs my EP1 - narrowly failing at 10k then beating my half marathon PB by just under a minute. Only issue I have had is with the laces which are a completely different design in the Night Lite colourway compared to your version. Shame Saucony don’t mention this in their advertising. Otherwise a fab shoe.
Congratulations on all the PB’s, but FWIW, it sounds you are just much more fit than you were before your previous PB’s. That said, I was a wear tester for these shoes, and I absolutely loved them.
Definitely largely down to fitness level. But I wanted to see how the shoe feels at different distances and if there were specific races it felt best for.
Well done on your recent good races. Clearly the Endorphin Pro 3 works well. However if you are comparing it to other shoes in performance terms are you really comparing it with the "same" you as sounds like you are considerably fitter of late than previously. For instance my best race this year and pretty much my worse came in the same shoe. Difference was me and relative fitness levels.
Definitely fitter than previously. Mentioned at the start of the video that the fitness is the driving force behind the PBs, but I still wanted to look at how the shoe feels over each of those distances and if it excelled in a specific area for me.
Great review and grats on the PBs! I am thrilled to hear their is more competition in this race day field of shoes. As a wide foot runner the Vapor fly and Alpha fly never felt quite right on my foot. I love the Speed 2 and 3 even though the 2 was a bit tight on my foot, it still was a great shoe that worked for me. I am hoping I have a similar experience with the Pro 3’s that I had with the Speed 2 and 3!
2 big PBs for me in the EP3 in the Half and Marathon. I have tried hard with all my training this year too but I still felt the shoes were a part of it.
Best review ever, that's the way all super shoes should be reviewed to see how they work across all distances and we'll done to you as well Tom for smashing so many PB's, the Pro 3 is a great looking shoe.
@@TheRunTesters just an idea I had if you could compare a daily trainer from each manufacturer against its top carbon plate shoe to see how much of a difference it would make in real time, you could run a 10k race in each to see if there's any real benefit for the extra cost involved.
Started the year with a 63:55 PB 10 mile just before starting my 16 week marathon plan for Edinburgh this year. At 47 my chances for a sub 3 are getting slimmer and slimmer (current PB 3:09 and HM is 1:25). All PB's were done in my Saucony Speed 2's. Based upon this and your video comparing the Elite's and the Pro 3's I have ordered a pair of Pro 3's and if the training goes to plan I will go for that elusive sub 3
Great progress on the running and ghanks for the vidro Tom. Listening to Run testers and other YT reviewers Saucony RD dept appear to be listening best? Surely are the all round lead brand..for 2022 Triump/Ride/Speed and maybe most pertinently the Pro topping their line up too. Even for the many gravitating to the Nike super shoes this is the first shoe to be widely challenging. Your distiction that the Pro 3 feels more natural and less "Go Go Gadgett Nike spring shoes" is important. Be interested if that is widely accepted by others using both branded super shoes too? The fact the shoe performance is being raised can only be good for runners!
I love the pro 3. Only things I’d change are putting a slightly longer tongue in it and slightly wider toe box . I had to go a full size up for width in toe box (no half sizes between 12 and 13) but the rest of the shoe is a little big for me so have to pull laces tight . Despite that I Love the shoe so much thinking about getting another pair in my true size for better fit over all and hoping it loosens of a bit in the tight Area Well dune on all your pb’s tho absolutely incredible Iv only been running just over a year and I could only dream of running theses time at the moment
Agree 100%!! LOVE this shoe ................................... Just wondering Tom, did you manage to snag a BQ place? as there was an insane cutoff for qualifiers this year!!!....Just over 5 mins....I'd assume you'd need to have done a 2:54:30isssssssshh?
@@TheRunTesters Yeah there’s a Saucony Outlet store an hour away from me. Stop passed there every now and again. iirc they had pro and speed 2 relatively quickly
I have the Vaporfly Next% 2 and now the Endorphin Pro 3, i prefer the Saucony over the Nike, i´m not sure why but i feel i can run more in the Saucony, i think it´s because they feel more stable and fit better than my Vaporfly, for sure i still run and love my Vaporfly´s but it´s just my opinion.
Wow! Congrats on all your PB’s! I picked up this shoe a few weeks ago and am loving them so far. Ran my first marathon in Speed 2s this year and looking forward to my second next year in the Pro3s. They are sooo much softer and bouncier underfoot and it’s easy to run faster with less perceived effort. Did you do a lot of training runs in the same pair too or Did you need a new pair by the time you did Chicago?
Glad to hear you're enjoying them. I did quite a lot of training in one pair, so got slightly worried I may be risking the sub-3 attempt if I used them for the marathon, so I ran it in a new pair.
Great video and PBs! And what do you think of Endorphin Pro 3 for those heavy and slow runners trying to break their sub-4 marathon distance? Will Saucony help me do that at that slower speeds?
Ran pb in 5km and half Mara in this shoe. Amazing shoe. I do however get a horrible feeling in my. Left foot after using it (feels like a bruised metatarsal). Goes after 2 days but not great!
i did my first workout with mine today- 2x5km. felt good but i feel like kinvara 12 is faster in shorter distances up to 5k. also felt good during jog recovery but i don't know where some people find it wide. i had to relaced and skip the first 2 holes because it's narrow in toe area
Do these "Break In"? I did an easy 10K in them last evening and the bottom of my feet and outer quads are sore today. I think they forced me to run with an unnatural to me gait. Speed, cadence and HR were fine and I felt like I could easily keep on going. No issues with my Saucony Endorphin Speed 3.
Great review! As someone who is absolutely in love with my Endorphin Speed 3s and use them pretty much exclusively for every run, do you think this is a logical marathon shoe? I do have my HM and full M PBs in the Vaporflys but I dont really enjoy running in them and my mara wasn't really super comfortable from start to finish
I would say so. I think I get the same performance benefits from the Pro 3 and Vaporfly, but I find the Pro 3 a much comfier, natural feeling shoe. I actually use it for quite a few of my faster training sessions as well.
@TheRunTesters thank you, I think if it feels anything like the Speed 3, it's a no brainer. I have a sub 18 parkrun in the speeds and many a long run but I feel this is a logical one to add for the mara. Still deciding whether to attempt a sub 3 this year. Thank you!
I watched your video on the Lisbon half marathon and was wondering if the Endorphin 3 will do the job since it's a fast course. You have experienced this race so it would be great to get your insight on this. I can't afford the top carbon shoes like the metaspeeds or the vaporflys yet so I was curious about these. I live in Lisbon and will be doing the half in March. I can then transition these for my workout sessions when I am able to purchase the vaporflys later in the year. Basically I am trying to build a 3 shoe rotation but I cannot purchase them all at once. I have an excellent everyday shoe and not so good speed shoe so that is my next step.
I tried Prime X Strung this week, they got very good reviews and I had a 30% voucher so it was too tempting. This week, I went for 2 runs of about 7km each. I ended up returning them (I was extra cautious about keeping them clean). For me there are a few problems with these shoes : 1) I'm used to high stack (most of my runs this year were with nike tempo next) but this is just too much imho. You can check doctorsofrunning videos where he explains that high cushion changes what muscles are involved when running and with these, my quads felt much more sore, as doctorsofrunning also noticed. I feel this is an issue since I won't be racing with these, I feel they train the wrong muscles. Also as soon as I put normal shoes on after, I feel relieved somehow since it feels much more natural. The high stack is borderline dangerous, especially if the surface is not perfectly flat 2) Not everyone likes Nike Tempo Next but imho, these shoes are better for fast workouts and are better for training if you are going to race in alphafly since they share common design, they train the same muscles 3) They are quite expensive and the tech will evolve over the next few years so I'm going to keep my money to try something else that I like better
Increasing weekly mileage, and doing speed work obviously will help you run a 5k faster. But I think the question was, whether swapping shoes can help increase 5k race pace by 10 seconds a minute and for me it’s definitely a yes! Endorphin speeds are fast. When my 5k race pace was in mind 22’s, a super shoe helped significantly. It seems that when you get faster, super shoes slowly make a less significant difference in race pace. (I know that’s backwards from what folks have traditionally been saying).
I am almost sure that it is not the shoe that got you those pbs. I dought that it is any better that the obvious choices. You are just a better runner nowadays, that s all
Complete true. I'm significantly fitter than before but wanted to test how the shoe felt over those distances and if there was a particular race it seemed to excel in. I've raced in other shoes in recent months and despite being faster I've still found some don't feel great over all distances.
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did my first half marathon ever in these in 1:29. Very happy with that time and will definitely be eying up low 1:20s with more that 2.5 months of training.
I love it for everything.
Did a half marathon last Sunday in it.
Spectacular shoe, will be backing the truck up next year when they go on sale.
Not an aggressive shoe at all, so comfortable and yet so responsive.
Very stable shoe shockingly, def shoe of the year for me.
Congrats on the PB m8, good stuff man.
Fantastic shoe. Cheers for watching
CONGRATS on CRUSHING THE PB's!!!! I'm sure the shoe gave you confidence, but Tom, you trained for those PB's, YOU earned those!
Thanks a lot,
Congrats on your Chicago PB! I also like this shoe a lot. I also ran a marathon PB wearing it, just 2 1/2 weeks ago, at a 3:48. Of course, not as fast as you, sir, but I'm happy. ;)
u fast Champ, doing it under 4 hours is impressive ! well done ,soon u gonna target 3:40 then 3:30
@@skobodabaws8946 thanks!
Great reviews! Last yr I used Vaporfly for a half marathon race and what you said in this review about something feels manufactured when you wearing em vfs is true. So ive been watching your reviews and comparison and torned between MetaspeedSky+ and this one. Finally got this shoe and hopefully to cross the finishline of Sydney Marathon this September.
Thank you for these reviews!
How did it go?
Wow! So impressive. I took my Pros on a 16 miler yesterday & determined they will be my race day shoe. I didn’t love the Pro 1, didn’t even take it on 100 miles, but the 3 is fantastic. Great job on crushing your sub 3 goal.
Thanks a lot Tiffany
Well that sounds like a resounding success. Yes, the shoes may have played it’s part but largely I suspect it was a result of the increase in training. Well done all the same and I’ll will consider the Endorphin Pro 3 👍🏼
I'm getting similar results
Thank you, I've been waiting for this one, not so much for the shoe, but for your performances, it is so amazing what you've achieved in such a short time.
If it is possible, I'd really love to hear more in your upcoming podcast about your training for the sub-3 marathon, between you and Kieran's herculean effort this summer, I'm thinking of running a marathon myself the coming spring.
Also, congrats for the 40k subs, the channel is really taking off, very glad to have been with you since the beginning.
Cheers Panos. I've got a video coming out this week on the training plan that I used for the races. We'll chat a bit on the next podcast as well.
Listening to this has now totally confused me. I’m a 4hr marathon runner. Under 2hr half and 56m 10k 23min 5K …. I used the adios pro 2 for em all and I love it. Was looking to the adios pro 3 and now I am totally wondering and confused about this decision.
Thanks for the review, I have a HM in my plans and this might be the shoe, good that it is ok for 5/10/half and full marathon.
Great video. You’ve convinced me I need some Pro 3’s!….just as they seem to be sold out everywhere, at least in my 10.5 🤦🏻♂️
Congratulations Tom on your PBs especially the half and marathon! Agree with nearly all your comments especially about longer distances. My recent video I talk about PB attempts in these shoes vs my EP1 - narrowly failing at 10k then beating my half marathon PB by just under a minute. Only issue I have had is with the laces which are a completely different design in the Night Lite colourway compared to your version. Shame Saucony don’t mention this in their advertising. Otherwise a fab shoe.
Congratulations on all the PB’s, but FWIW, it sounds you are just much more fit than you were before your previous PB’s. That said, I was a wear tester for these shoes, and I absolutely loved them.
Definitely largely down to fitness level. But I wanted to see how the shoe feels at different distances and if there were specific races it felt best for.
Donavon are you testing next years Kinvara pro with the 47mm stack and plate currently?
@@palmyarmyswim at the moment I’m testing some new trail shoes, so no Kinvara Pro, but they sound interesting.
@@donavonhornbeck plated?
Well done on your recent good races. Clearly the Endorphin Pro 3 works well. However if you are comparing it to other shoes in performance terms are you really comparing it with the "same" you as sounds like you are considerably fitter of late than previously. For instance my best race this year and pretty much my worse came in the same shoe. Difference was me and relative fitness levels.
Definitely fitter than previously. Mentioned at the start of the video that the fitness is the driving force behind the PBs, but I still wanted to look at how the shoe feels over each of those distances and if it excelled in a specific area for me.
Great review and grats on the PBs! I am thrilled to hear their is more competition in this race day field of shoes. As a wide foot runner the Vapor fly and Alpha fly never felt quite right on my foot. I love the Speed 2 and 3 even though the 2 was a bit tight on my foot, it still was a great shoe that worked for me. I am hoping I have a similar experience with the Pro 3’s that I had with the Speed 2 and 3!
Congratulations on your Marathon PR.
Cheers Mathew
2 big PBs for me in the EP3 in the Half and Marathon. I have tried hard with all my training this year too but I still felt the shoes were a part of it.
Well done on the PBs
FANTASTIC racing! This video is exactly what I was looking for.
Best review ever, that's the way all super shoes should be reviewed to see how they work across all distances and we'll done to you as well Tom for smashing so many PB's, the Pro 3 is a great looking shoe.
Thanks a lot... Although it may take me a while to review the rest of the super shoes like that. Not to mention the race costs.
@@TheRunTesters just an idea I had if you could compare a daily trainer from each manufacturer against its top carbon plate shoe to see how much of a difference it would make in real time, you could run a 10k race in each to see if there's any real benefit for the extra cost involved.
Wow!!! Amazing efforts and what improvements in PB
Started the year with a 63:55 PB 10 mile just before starting my 16 week marathon plan for Edinburgh this year. At 47 my chances for a sub 3 are getting slimmer and slimmer (current PB 3:09 and HM is 1:25). All PB's were done in my Saucony Speed 2's. Based upon this and your video comparing the Elite's and the Pro 3's I have ordered a pair of Pro 3's and if the training goes to plan I will go for that elusive sub 3
Very well done review and very well explained,,, would be nice to get such reviews for some of the other super shoes… thanks for sharing this
Glad you found it useful
Great progress on the running and ghanks for the vidro Tom.
Listening to Run testers and other YT reviewers Saucony RD dept appear to be listening best? Surely are the all round lead brand..for 2022 Triump/Ride/Speed and maybe most pertinently the Pro topping their line up too. Even for the many gravitating to the Nike super shoes this is the first shoe to be widely challenging. Your distiction that the Pro 3 feels more natural and less "Go Go Gadgett Nike spring shoes" is important. Be interested if that is widely accepted by others using both branded super shoes too?
The fact the shoe performance is being raised can only be good for runners!
Congratulations! Truly impressive improvements!!
I love the pro 3. Only things I’d change are putting a slightly longer tongue in it and slightly wider toe box .
I had to go a full size up for width in toe box (no half sizes between 12 and 13)
but the rest of the shoe is a little big for me so have to pull laces tight . Despite that I Love the shoe so much thinking about getting another pair in my true size for better fit over all and hoping it loosens of a bit in the tight Area
Well dune on all your pb’s tho absolutely incredible
Iv only been running just over a year and I could only dream of running theses time at the moment
Fantastic video, congratulations on those PBs very impressive. What are you using for your everyday training shoe.
Congrats!
You sold me on it! I’m running Boston this year. Debating Adios Pro 3 or Endorphin pro 3
Phenomenal runs ! Very well done. Great video also.
Agree 100%!! LOVE this shoe ................................... Just wondering Tom, did you manage to snag a BQ place? as there was an insane cutoff for qualifiers this year!!!....Just over 5 mins....I'd assume you'd need to have done a 2:54:30isssssssshh?
That Stuart. Yep, I'll be doing Boston - I'm over 40 so the cutoff was a bit less dramatic for me.
I’ve already got like Vaporflys, Alphafly, Pro 2… I don’t need Pro 3s but you’re convincing me
You may have enough to keep you going. But I'll be checking out the sales in a few months to hopefully pick up a new pair.
@@TheRunTesters Yeah there’s a Saucony Outlet store an hour away from me. Stop passed there every now and again. iirc they had pro and speed 2 relatively quickly
I was a tester for both the 2’s and the 3’s. The shoes are nothing alike (as he says). The Pro 3 is so much better.
I have the Vaporfly Next% 2 and now the Endorphin Pro 3, i prefer the Saucony over the Nike, i´m not sure why but i feel i can run more in the Saucony, i think it´s because they feel more stable and fit better than my Vaporfly, for sure i still run and love my Vaporfly´s but it´s just my opinion.
Great review.
Wow! Congrats on all your PB’s! I picked up this shoe a few weeks ago and am loving them so far. Ran my first marathon in Speed 2s this year and looking forward to my second next year in the Pro3s. They are sooo much softer and bouncier underfoot and it’s easy to run faster with less perceived effort. Did you do a lot of training runs in the same pair too or
Did you need a new pair by the time you did Chicago?
Glad to hear you're enjoying them. I did quite a lot of training in one pair, so got slightly worried I may be risking the sub-3 attempt if I used them for the marathon, so I ran it in a new pair.
@@TheRunTesters How old are you?
Love pro 3
Great video and PBs! And what do you think of Endorphin Pro 3 for those heavy and slow runners trying to break their sub-4 marathon distance? Will Saucony help me do that at that slower speeds?
Ran pb in 5km and half Mara in this shoe. Amazing shoe. I do however get a horrible feeling in my. Left foot after using it (feels like a bruised metatarsal). Goes after 2 days but not great!
i did my first workout with mine today- 2x5km. felt good but i feel like kinvara 12 is faster in shorter distances up to 5k. also felt good during jog recovery but i don't know where some people find it wide. i had to relaced and skip the first 2 holes because it's narrow in toe area
Do these "Break In"? I did an easy 10K in them last evening and the bottom of my feet and outer quads are sore today. I think they forced me to run with an unnatural to me gait. Speed, cadence and HR were fine and I felt like I could easily keep on going. No issues with my Saucony Endorphin Speed 3.
I'm wondering if the Pro 4 is going to be an improvement?? Any news?
Great review! As someone who is absolutely in love with my Endorphin Speed 3s and use them pretty much exclusively for every run, do you think this is a logical marathon shoe? I do have my HM and full M PBs in the Vaporflys but I dont really enjoy running in them and my mara wasn't really super comfortable from start to finish
I would say so. I think I get the same performance benefits from the Pro 3 and Vaporfly, but I find the Pro 3 a much comfier, natural feeling shoe. I actually use it for quite a few of my faster training sessions as well.
@TheRunTesters thank you, I think if it feels anything like the Speed 3, it's a no brainer. I have a sub 18 parkrun in the speeds and many a long run but I feel this is a logical one to add for the mara. Still deciding whether to attempt a sub 3 this year. Thank you!
What socks did you wear with the shoe, for each race? This is something most people don't talk about.
Good question. I went for the Hoka crew running socks. Simple, nicely padded
Loved this review, how do they compare to the Edge+? Thanks
Hey! Have you used the same pair of shoes for all those races? How do you feel, would they be everyday training shoes, without losing magic?
Would you recommend the pro 3 over the vapor fly for a 10k for a more average runner than you, with a less perfect running technique?
Nice job!
I am struggling with Alphafly 2. I just cannot get on with them. Are the Pro3 true to size. Need something urgently for the Valencia Marathon.
I watched your video on the Lisbon half marathon and was wondering if the Endorphin 3 will do the job since it's a fast course. You have experienced this race so it would be great to get your insight on this. I can't afford the top carbon shoes like the metaspeeds or the vaporflys yet so I was curious about these. I live in Lisbon and will be doing the half in March. I can then transition these for my workout sessions when I am able to purchase the vaporflys later in the year. Basically I am trying to build a 3 shoe rotation but I cannot purchase them all at once. I have an excellent everyday shoe and not so good speed shoe so that is my next step.
The Speed 3s or Pro 3s?
@@TheRunTesters the speed 3 sorry
Mate - great running, you're a fast dude.
Cheers Jon
Hello, could you please help me choose between PrimeX and Endophin Pro3. No rules, flat, fast.
I tried Prime X Strung this week, they got very good reviews and I had a 30% voucher so it was too tempting. This week, I went for 2 runs of about 7km each. I ended up returning them (I was extra cautious about keeping them clean). For me there are a few problems with these shoes : 1) I'm used to high stack (most of my runs this year were with nike tempo next) but this is just too much imho. You can check doctorsofrunning videos where he explains that high cushion changes what muscles are involved when running and with these, my quads felt much more sore, as doctorsofrunning also noticed. I feel this is an issue since I won't be racing with these, I feel they train the wrong muscles. Also as soon as I put normal shoes on after, I feel relieved somehow since it feels much more natural. The high stack is borderline dangerous, especially if the surface is not perfectly flat 2) Not everyone likes Nike Tempo Next but imho, these shoes are better for fast workouts and are better for training if you are going to race in alphafly since they share common design, they train the same muscles 3) They are quite expensive and the tech will evolve over the next few years so I'm going to keep my money to try something else that I like better
I just see a new 5K PB of 22:32 in the Endorphin Speed. I wonder if the Pro 3 could get me down under 22 minutes.
My $ would say, yes!
Your training will
With the Endorphin speed you can get below 20 min for sure. First time I ran 20 min was with the Mizuno Wave shadow 4.. So just keep training.
Increasing weekly mileage, and doing speed work obviously will help you run a 5k faster. But I think the question was, whether swapping shoes can help increase 5k race pace by 10 seconds a minute and for me it’s definitely a yes! Endorphin speeds are fast. When my 5k race pace was in mind 22’s, a super shoe helped significantly. It seems that when you get faster, super shoes slowly make a less significant difference in race pace. (I know that’s backwards from what folks have traditionally been saying).
My choice :
-Nike Vaporfly Next2 for 10K
-Nike Alphafly 2 for 21K
-Saucony Endorphin Pro 3 for 42K
I am almost sure that it is not the shoe that got you those pbs. I dought that it is any better that the obvious choices. You are just a better runner nowadays, that s all
Complete true. I'm significantly fitter than before but wanted to test how the shoe felt over those distances and if there was a particular race it seemed to excel in. I've raced in other shoes in recent months and despite being faster I've still found some don't feel great over all distances.
i didnt like this shoe , i love the speeds and triumphs , my carbons of choice is rc elite
2nd
1st
Vapourfly one of the worst shoes ever and I'm a nike fan.
amazing PBs congratulations!!
Can I ask what it your high and weight because you dont look like a very light runner,but you are dam fast!!
Very very nice 👍!!!
Congrats !