They are suitable for use on one's country estate, or on a cattle station. Sometimes realy posh ones were called shooting brakes, (a term derived from horse drawn carriages used for the same purpose) - as the space in the back would be used to keep guns, dogs, and the pheasants you have bagged.
Yet again, Jon gives us a fact we did not know we needed to know, but as soon as I saw the title of the vid I was hooked “yeah, why DO they call them a sedan or saloon?” As ever AWESOME 👍
I love your deadpan delivery mate... never stop, make them build more motorways if you ever run out. If you can't persuade them, i know a guy in manchester who might be interested in all the aerial towers you've found
@@hairyaireywith a double decker bus it's a top deck, and a lower saloon. All single decker buses (not coaches) are referred to as saloons. * sad bus anorak *
I wondered where you would go to once you had covered all the motorways. I’m sure you have more motorways to go but you have given us a sneak preview of where you can go. I like, keep it up.
Okay, totally odd thing to notice, but the scene with the cattle in the saloon has me amazed at how delicately and carefully the cattle were stepping around the tables, chairs, and actors. I knew cattle were graceful and nimble, but it's still something else seeing them tiptoe carefully in such a crowded and busy environment. Pretty cool creatures! Like some of the other commenters, I have to say I'm noticing that there's either a lot of SUVs, or a lot of hatchbacks, and the sedan is a dying breed here in the UK.
@@andrewhotston983 Mythbusters did a episode an busted the bull in a chinashop saying. Even chasing the cows around I think they only managed to damage one vase in hundreds that were set up on shelves.
I’m from South Bend, Indiana, USA, home of the Studebaker Corporation and I never knew that the company popularized the use of the word “sedan”. Several of my relatives worked at Studebaker throughout the years including my father and grandfather. My aunt was one of the last three employees to work there after they halted production as the holding company closed down the books.
In Germany (or at least in their owners manuals and parts books) they call a Saloon/Sedan a Limousine - which I think does literally translate to Sedan (or at least their meanings are similar). As far as my non-research can tell, the luxury term for a Limousine (ie large chauffeur driven luxury car) is an Americanism.
Yep, well done Jon for another excellent, irreverent, irrelevant, important, informative vid. And yes, you do need to do an estate,shooting-brake, station wagon version.
Or SUV which is a saloon car on steroids. In much of the world (maybe not the U.K.) people want SUV’s and saloons and hatches have all but disappeared for many manufacturers with excepts.
@@xr6lad An SUV is an estate. A saloon/sedan has a __/---\__ design and a estate has a __/-----| design. difference in the lines. That's the same design "SUVs" use. I personally don't like the naming SUV, because in my view, SUVs are not offroad capable. Putting a Honda HRV, or a Nissan Quasqai (or however you spell that abomination) into the same category as a Toyota LandCruiser or Mitsubishi Pajero is an insult. A sedan is a 2 or 4 door; and yes there is a difference between a 2 door coupe or a 2 door sedan.
Saloons have gone totally out of fashion, even cars that used to more often be saloons have switched to being only available as hatchbacks (or more properly... liftbacks). Honestly, I have no problem with this. A liftback boot is just so much more convenient than a saloon boot. Because the opening is like twice the size or more. That said, that whole category of car, be it saloon or liftback, is dying out. People either want small hatchbacks... or larger hatchbacks... or "crossovers" or SUVs... it's sad, nobody wants a "proper" car any more...
@@ldorman "I personally don't like the naming SUV, because in my view, SUVs are not offroad capable." True... in fact, I'll tell you what SUVs really are. They're just the sequel to people-carriers. People-carriers were all the rage 20 or so years ago, but they're really goofy. SUVs are just people carriers in disguise. Honestly they're still pretty goofy.
Always manage an actual lol during your videos, thanks Jon for another entertaining piece of trivia that may one day make me a pub quiz hero 👍 p.s yeah it did make sense😉
Wagon in the US likely comes from those wooden wagons they used to cross the Old West in the 19th century. Estate - I'm guessing some reference to country estate manors? I do know the term "shooting brake" comes from upper class hunting wagons which had a large space at the back that Lord Ponsonby-Smethwick-Smythe of the Upper Didlington Estate could shoot animals out of while also wearing a silly large hat.
In North America it sub-compact Crossover, Compact Crossover, Mid-sized Crossover, Full-size Crossover, Mid-sized SUV, Full-size SUV, Compact Pickup Trucks, Mid-sized Pickup Truck, Full-size Pickup Truck, and Heavy Duty- Pickup Trucks
This was really interested actually as I have actually always wondered why these names are as they are. I prefer saloon although I call my estate a ‘wagon’ lol. Great video John
Another channel already did that...a station wagon was for getting you and all your stuff from the train station. Didn't cover why Saab called theirs SportCombi though so John can still cover the important issues 😊
@andrewrobertson4878 Great that just covers the use of Station Waggon, not Waggon itself, Estate or Shooting Brakes (I do actually know the differences, but I'd just enjoy watching him make a video on it)
Most other countries with languages that use the Latin alphabet call them Berline, Berlina, Limousine or localised variations thereof. The Aussies use both, don't know about SA or NZ. Sedan/Saloon is primarily a US/UK thing.
I always thought there was a difference between a sedan and saloon, I thought sedans had similar cabin space to hatchbacks except the car was longer, and saloons have a slightly larger cabin space but the same length as a sedan.
Sedan seems like an awfully old fashioned word, but I still like it. It reminds me of Broderick Crawford barking, "be on the lookout for a green sedan!" on the police radio in Highway Patrol.
So, I drive a sedan to the bar / pub, and drive home (after only having ginger ale, of course) in a saloon. Unless, of course, it has a hatch-back or drives automatically to the train depot, in which it becomes a station wagon ...
MPV I believe is what we in the US call a Minivan and they are basically all replaced by the Crossover, Even though the Crossover is technically wholly inferior to the minivan as a general purpose family vehicle when talking pure functionality.
Next……. Estate car, Shooting brake, Station wagon……. all interesting sources, along with Coupe, convertible, cabriolet and drophead……. You’ve started something here you know…….. 🎉😂
"The word 'sedan' is derived from the Latin 'sedere' meaning to sit, and the Italian word 'sede' meaning chair." So, "sedan chair" really means "chair chair".
Sedan - place in France. Limousine - Limousin is a place in France. But the French use "berline", named after Berlin in Germany. 🤔 Why haven't we mentioned "shooting-brake"? French call estate cars "break" (can't expect them to spell it properly).
So the Sedan is a car with passengers sitting in it? So the Saloon is a vehicle with a large interior. Both are called in Germany: Limousine or Stufenheck Also popular in Germany: Kombi = station wagon. This vehicle combines a good space for the passengers and the possibility to transport a lot of luggage dry. In the US, open Pickups are probably more popular. The disadvantage compared to the station wagon is that the loading area is not protected from the weather.
In France, this type or cars are not called 'Sedan' or 'Salon', but 'Berline', while the 'Station-Wagon' or 'Estate' cars are called 'Break'. And 'La fin de semaine' is called 'Le Weekend'! Go figure!
@@Matt_H384 Un 'Cul-de-sac' is still un 'Cul-de-sac' in french, which is indeed another term for 'Impasse'. However, I don't believe the former is used for naming as is the latter. Such as "Impasse des Lilas", for example.
Balloonning is the only word in the English language with three consecutive 'double' letters. Yep, nothing to do with Sedans or saloons but I couldn't think of anything else to post...
Great stuff! Interestingly, Plymouth and Oldsmobile both offered high-trim versions of the Gran Fury and Cutlass respectively called the Salon; perhaps more interestingly (and confusingly), the German word for sedan/saloon is Limousine!
@@mckidyl70 So...if we're being pedantic, it's only a limousine if it comes from Limousin, and if it comes from anywhere else it's just a sparkling long wheelbase sedan... 😁
Jon whats next weeks secrets of the motorway episode. England or more of Scotland. I bet doing drone shoot intros might waste your battery on ya drone 😅.
Can you do one about why we call them estate cars, or the Americans' even more bizarre station-wagon?
And shooting brakes
They are suitable for use on one's country estate, or on a cattle station. Sometimes realy posh ones were called shooting brakes, (a term derived from horse drawn carriages used for the same purpose) - as the space in the back would be used to keep guns, dogs, and the pheasants you have bagged.
@@terrynixon2758You took my words !! I was thinking the same.
@@norbitonflyer5625Excellent, thanks for the answer 👍🏼
Station wagon is a wagon that takes passengers and luggage to and from the Station. Not that complicated really
You know what really grinds my gears? Muricans calling a Coupé a chicken coop.
🤣👍
i mean, it's a stick from them calling so many things weirdly and not in the "local difference" kind
I guess you mean a coop, not heard any one call a vehicle a chicken coop.
@@mariemccann5895 You haven't been in my Peugeot 106d....
@@BibtheBoulderhh haha I remember you mentioning your 106 ages ago, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on auto shenanigans too 🤔
Yet again, Jon gives us a fact we did not know we needed to know, but as soon as I saw the title of the vid I was hooked “yeah, why DO they call them a sedan or saloon?”
As ever AWESOME 👍
“King Henry who 8 all the pies” 😂😂
He was very enterprising how he justified his gluttony, not even Friday went without meat!
I love your deadpan delivery mate... never stop, make them build more motorways if you ever run out. If you can't persuade them, i know a guy in manchester who might be interested in all the aerial towers you've found
Yeah I was wondering why Lewis hasn't stopped by to bully Jon yet
@@grindelston5968 Lewis is involved in a new youtube numbers station
The passenger space in a bus is also sometimes referred to as a saloon, upper and lower when it's a double decker. The word gets everywhere.....
I have a vague recollection that the word saloon appears in the inside of a Routemaster. Or a Regent.
@@hairyaireywith a double decker bus it's a top deck, and a lower saloon.
All single decker buses (not coaches) are referred to as saloons.
* sad bus anorak *
The compartment of an ambulance for conveying a patient is called the saloon.
An informative film as always, but the fact that the greatest film every made appeared in it makes it all the better.
A wagon, used for collecting people/things from the station :)
interesting item you have depicted in the boot!
You made me watch the video again.
I wondered where you would go to once you had covered all the motorways. I’m sure you have more motorways to go but you have given us a sneak preview of where you can go. I like, keep it up.
In Ireland, we call them saloon cars. Even the tax book of my car (a 2012 Toyota Corrolla) says the body type is a saloon.
Well not surprising, you were still part of the UK when they came up with the name.
@@PiousMoltar It's more just likely because we are English-speaking neighbours.
On old double decker buses it was "Upper Saloon" and "Lower Saloon". With the "Upper Saloon" for smoking.
Thank you, wicked sweet Awsome again. Car shortened from carriage
Okay, totally odd thing to notice, but the scene with the cattle in the saloon has me amazed at how delicately and carefully the cattle were stepping around the tables, chairs, and actors. I knew cattle were graceful and nimble, but it's still something else seeing them tiptoe carefully in such a crowded and busy environment. Pretty cool creatures!
Like some of the other commenters, I have to say I'm noticing that there's either a lot of SUVs, or a lot of hatchbacks, and the sedan is a dying breed here in the UK.
Yes. What's going on with the cattle in the Wild West Saloon? From a film, I.assume, but... why?
@@andrewhotston983 They were thirsty?
You mean Saloon.
@@andrewhotston983 It's from Blazing Saddles. Every scene in movie ranges from slightly to obscenely absurd by design.
@@andrewhotston983 Mythbusters did a episode an busted the bull in a chinashop saying. Even chasing the cows around I think they only managed to damage one vase in hundreds that were set up on shelves.
Got to hand it to you, yet again, brilliant research
That was interesting. I would love to hear about estate cars/station wagons, too.
Another mystery excellently explained! Thank you John.
Thanks mate!
I feel like I have over eaten from the plate of pointless information. Cheers for the knowledge Jon.
Imagine you doing your motorway series via tuk tuk
Don't give him ideas 😂
@@artemkatelnytskyi he probably would do it as some sort of weird challenge haha
I’m from South Bend, Indiana, USA, home of the Studebaker Corporation and I never knew that the company popularized the use of the word “sedan”. Several of my relatives worked at Studebaker throughout the years including my father and grandfather. My aunt was one of the last three employees to work there after they halted production as the holding company closed down the books.
I always wondered about that! Thanks Jon 🙂
Nice one, thanks mate!
I had an Iraqi mate at uni whose dad was a used car salesman. He was known locally as Sedan Hussein.
In Germany (or at least in their owners manuals and parts books) they call a Saloon/Sedan a Limousine - which I think does literally translate to Sedan (or at least their meanings are similar).
As far as my non-research can tell, the luxury term for a Limousine (ie large chauffeur driven luxury car) is an Americanism.
Your content is brilliant!! As others have said before, its the really good way you put across stuff we didn’t know we wanted to know. 👍👍
I was always told a saloon car was a bit bigger of a car with the rear passenger seating area being much roomier and well appointed than a sedan.
Love your work
I always learn something new and useful from your videos!
Do you have memory issues?
@@mariemccann5895 Do you have attention seeking issues?
@@mariemccann5895 Sarcasm rules
interesting very informative john had often wondered why they were called those two names.
Yep, well done Jon for another excellent, irreverent, irrelevant, important, informative vid. And yes, you do need to do an estate,shooting-brake, station wagon version.
The 15th century sedan chairs were covered with noble fabrics made in the factories of the town of Sedan in France.
Saloon here in Ireland
Ok so 20 seconds in i lost it when i saw the corpse as 'cargo' 😂
Thanks you so much, this is one of those things that was in the back of my mind but I never thought to look up
A very educational video. I learnt lots of things I didn't know. 😀
Blimey, did you go to school?
Me too, although sometimes I learn a lot of things I *did* know. 😜
3:04 Looking at those chins I can understand why Terry Pratchett referred to USians as Merkins.
Another lovely informative explanation - and very funy. Thanks Jon
Love this! Very interesting and humorous watch. Well done 😊
I had a Peugeot 306 Sedan back in the 90s. Didn't see many of them about, they were nearly all hatchbacks.
306 came as a 3 box version too.
@@Ribeirasacra That's what I said. I had one as a company car. I hated it, it was really uncomfortable.
My family had a Ford Orion. It was an Escort with a boot. I learnt to drive on it. Great car for the time.
Oddly enough, it has occurred to me how rarely I see cars with a saloon design these days, with the hatchback being seemingly in vogue.
I personally hate hatchbacks.
They were invented for women and people who can't drive.
Or SUV which is a saloon car on steroids. In much of the world (maybe not the U.K.) people want SUV’s and saloons and hatches have all but disappeared for many manufacturers with excepts.
@@xr6lad
An SUV is an estate.
A saloon/sedan has a __/---\__ design and a estate has a __/-----| design.
difference in the lines.
That's the same design "SUVs" use.
I personally don't like the naming SUV, because in my view, SUVs are not offroad capable.
Putting a Honda HRV, or a Nissan Quasqai (or however you spell that abomination) into the same category as a Toyota LandCruiser or Mitsubishi Pajero is an insult.
A sedan is a 2 or 4 door; and yes there is a difference between a 2 door coupe or a 2 door sedan.
Saloons have gone totally out of fashion, even cars that used to more often be saloons have switched to being only available as hatchbacks (or more properly... liftbacks).
Honestly, I have no problem with this. A liftback boot is just so much more convenient than a saloon boot. Because the opening is like twice the size or more.
That said, that whole category of car, be it saloon or liftback, is dying out. People either want small hatchbacks... or larger hatchbacks... or "crossovers" or SUVs... it's sad, nobody wants a "proper" car any more...
@@ldorman "I personally don't like the naming SUV, because in my view, SUVs are not offroad capable."
True... in fact, I'll tell you what SUVs really are. They're just the sequel to people-carriers. People-carriers were all the rage 20 or so years ago, but they're really goofy. SUVs are just people carriers in disguise. Honestly they're still pretty goofy.
Always manage an actual lol during your videos, thanks Jon for another entertaining piece of trivia that may one day make me a pub quiz hero 👍
p.s yeah it did make sense😉
Give Jon a sedan 👏👏
Great info, Thanks !!
Fantastic information John, it’s pub quiz tackle 👌🏼
Not that I go to the pub or even drink 😂
Alfa 156 used at the start of the video 😂
Very enjoyable as always
Thanks, Jon. Something I wanted a rational explaination for when a kid, but gave up on when no adult could explain why.
Thanks
NIce one mate, thanks a lot!
Excellent explanation!
Of what?
@@mariemccann5895 Of the difference.
@@johnbaldwin143 I thought there was no difference?
@@mariemccann5895 The Devil is in the detail in all things!
Wot about station wagon and estate car?
So what about Estate cars (or Wagons for those over the pond)?
Wagon in the US likely comes from those wooden wagons they used to cross the Old West in the 19th century.
Estate - I'm guessing some reference to country estate manors? I do know the term "shooting brake" comes from upper class hunting wagons which had a large space at the back that Lord Ponsonby-Smethwick-Smythe of the Upper Didlington Estate could shoot animals out of while also wearing a silly large hat.
...or Kombi 😁
Three wheels on my wagon...
I remember the old joke "What type of car does Dean Martin have? ... A saloon car" - I'lll get my coat..
I was at the classic saloon car racing at brands hatch at the weekend and I can plainly state that there were no railway carriages in the lineup . 😂
Any hairdressing salons?
@@elemar5have you bin on yer 'olidays?
Have you got a boyfriend? 😂😂😂
@@elemar5 they tend to prefer cabriolets 🤣
Sedan chair comes from the cockney "si' dahn chair" meaning sit down chair. True story.
lol, nice story, but not true.
@@mariemccann5895 Aw shh
Good to see a fellow Arfur Smiff afficionado
@@mrsimonemmswell an arfur smiff wouldn’t use the word “aficionado”.
[citation needed]
Next week is it Estate/Station Wagon/Touring/Tourer/Sports Tourer/Sports Wagon/Sport Wagon/Variant/Avant?
Here in Germany we ride round in
Limousine
(and you pronounce the e at the end)
In North America it sub-compact Crossover, Compact Crossover, Mid-sized Crossover, Full-size Crossover, Mid-sized SUV, Full-size SUV, Compact Pickup Trucks, Mid-sized Pickup Truck, Full-size Pickup Truck, and Heavy Duty- Pickup Trucks
The first load of those are just oversized hatchbacks.
Great script - excellent comic timing.
This was really interested actually as I have actually always wondered why these names are as they are. I prefer saloon although I call my estate a ‘wagon’ lol. Great video John
Saloon and Estate for me :D
awesome video
Ah the "sit" "chair" of course! Great car name
The late great Dave Allen did a few sketches with a sedan box.
The Studebakers had some serious beards!
Certainly no money wasted here 🎉🎉
Can you do one about Wagons/Estates/Shooting Brakes
Another channel already did that...a station wagon was for getting you and all your stuff from the train station. Didn't cover why Saab called theirs SportCombi though so John can still cover the important issues 😊
@andrewrobertson4878 Great that just covers the use of Station Waggon, not Waggon itself, Estate or Shooting Brakes (I do actually know the differences, but I'd just enjoy watching him make a video on it)
Most other countries with languages that use the Latin alphabet call them Berline, Berlina, Limousine or localised variations thereof. The Aussies use both, don't know about SA or NZ. Sedan/Saloon is primarily a US/UK thing.
I always thought there was a difference between a sedan and saloon, I thought sedans had similar cabin space to hatchbacks except the car was longer, and saloons have a slightly larger cabin space but the same length as a sedan.
ay hang on. Hatchbacks have a well... hatchback shape in the UK, but in the US have a small looking saloon type shape to them. Why?
Sedan seems like an awfully old fashioned word, but I still like it. It reminds me of Broderick Crawford barking, "be on the lookout for a green sedan!" on the police radio in Highway Patrol.
My favourite term for a type of car is shooting brake.
I knew a lot of this. However, there's one other term I've heard for these cars that I don't understand - notchback.
Ultimately, Gary Numan just called them *Cars* and that's the name I really use, unless I specify them as Volvos and SAABs.
What is a Berlinetta?
A small Berlina.
@@johnmoruzzi7236 which raises another question
Top vid
What about shooting brakes?
So, I drive a sedan to the bar / pub, and drive home (after only having ginger ale, of course) in a saloon. Unless, of course, it has a hatch-back or drives automatically to the train depot, in which it becomes a station wagon ...
What I would like to know though.......
Is, just how fast can the scroll of names at the end, actually get!?
What's happened to MPV's ? There used to be loads and now there's barely any of the type
MPV I believe is what we in the US call a Minivan and they are basically all replaced by the Crossover, Even though the Crossover is technically wholly inferior to the minivan as a general purpose family vehicle when talking pure functionality.
Thanks for that 😮
I own an Oldsmobile sedan in uk
Next……. Estate car, Shooting brake, Station wagon……. all interesting sources, along with Coupe, convertible, cabriolet and drophead…….
You’ve started something here you know…….. 🎉😂
"The word 'sedan' is derived from the Latin 'sedere' meaning to sit, and the Italian word 'sede' meaning chair."
So, "sedan chair" really means "chair chair".
River Avon.
A sedan doesn't have to be 4 doors. A large 2 door is also defined as a sedan if it has a rear interior space of 33 cu ft or more.
Yes that's fair. it would still follow the "3 box rule"
Sedan - place in France.
Limousine - Limousin is a place in France.
But the French use "berline", named after Berlin in Germany. 🤔
Why haven't we mentioned "shooting-brake"? French call estate cars "break" (can't expect them to spell it properly).
Japan uses sedan to designate the body type, but saloon in the marketing if they want that model to sound fancy.
So the Sedan is a car with passengers sitting in it?
So the Saloon is a vehicle with a large interior.
Both are called in Germany: Limousine or Stufenheck
Also popular in Germany: Kombi = station wagon. This vehicle combines a good space for the passengers and the possibility to transport a lot of luggage dry.
In the US, open Pickups are probably more popular. The disadvantage compared to the station wagon is that the loading area is not protected from the weather.
Ah, Yank cars of yesteryear: landau roof, opera windows, Frenched backlight, opera lights…luv em all!😀
we germans use the term Limousine for the same kind of vehicles
That figures, to the rest of the world it is a cattle breed.
So what do you call a luxury car with a chauffeur?
@@Gordanovich02 also Limousine, but with Chauffeur. 😉
@@IntyMichael Ah yes, natuerlich. Why come up with a new word when you can simply append the existing word? 😁
In France, this type or cars are not called 'Sedan' or 'Salon', but 'Berline', while the 'Station-Wagon' or 'Estate' cars are called 'Break'. And 'La fin de semaine' is called 'Le Weekend'! Go figure!
And a "Cul-de-sac" is called an "impasse" in French (I think)
@@Matt_H384 Un 'Cul-de-sac' is still un 'Cul-de-sac' in french, which is indeed another term for 'Impasse'. However, I don't believe the former is used for naming as is the latter. Such as "Impasse des Lilas", for example.
I hope everyone read those names at the end...
Balloonning is the only word in the English language with three consecutive 'double' letters. Yep, nothing to do with Sedans or saloons but I couldn't think of anything else to post...
Hmmm, some bookkeeping required here methinks... 😂
@@woowoo0739 D'Oh...!
How about US term "coupe"?
1:06 not to mention this brochure shows it as being a "two and a third litre" which sounds odd when you say it out loud.
that is strange... I have a 2.5 engine.. I say 2 and half litres, not 2.5. But if it were a 2.3, I'd say 2.3 not two and a third.
I like the Italian terms Berlina (Saloon or Sedan), and Berlinetta (Coupe).
One of these days you'll do the Pateron list as an old school How2 data blast...
Bad influence did them as well!
Wow just Wow im going for a lie down after that lot !!
'a shit-free ride across town'.
😄
☮
Great stuff! Interestingly, Plymouth and Oldsmobile both offered high-trim versions of the Gran Fury and Cutlass respectively called the Salon; perhaps more interestingly (and confusingly), the German word for sedan/saloon is Limousine!
Named after the cattle?
@@mckidyl70 So...if we're being pedantic, it's only a limousine if it comes from Limousin, and if it comes from anywhere else it's just a sparkling long wheelbase sedan... 😁
Hi there is your background real or cgi you have a great channel 😁😁😁😁
It's real, I dont have the skills to do "green screen" but i can knock together a few bits of 2x4.
Jon whats next weeks secrets of the motorway episode. England or more of Scotland. I bet doing drone shoot intros might waste your battery on ya drone 😅.
There's a clue in the name.
What name?
In German, a saloon/sedan is called a ‘limousine’
And I thought Zidane was a French football player.
Dont forget the shooting brake