In regards to the post segment at starting at 30:20 I know that both people actively campaigning against the person in question, and the person in question will be watching this video. Howdy. I want to be clear in saying I wish no ill will against anyone, no, not even you. This is the one and ONLY video I’m making on this topic. I’m tired. Wether or not I’m being lied to, wether or not there is unfortunate misunderstanding abound. I am done with this situation. I wish you all well, and I hope you all take time to make sure you are taking care of yourselves in this scenario, as it is an emotionally heavy one. Best regards, Kijjikon Edit for clarity: When I say done, I don’t mean done discussing. I mean done POSTING in regards to this. If anyone needs any clarification or just wants to chat please reach out here in the comments or on Instagram. You can’t know the answer to a question you’ve never asked. I don’t bite! 💜
Its sad to say this but when i was younger i was S/A and it really scard me, and to hear that people want to normalize shipping kids with adults is really disgusting.
Proshipping is SUCH a hard topic to talk about especially with how different everyone who proships is but you genuinely explained everything so well. Also im so greatful someone is finally talkinabout how people should focus on actual abusers instead since i literally see almost no one talking about that 😭 and like despite how nasty is find proshipping and all that kind of stuff actual abusers and groomers are what people seriously have to worry about
Thing is, proshipping helps groomers as their content can be used to normalize gross behavior. We can worry about proshipping and groomers at the same time while knowing one is far worse than the other.
The proship community is quite often a gateway for many minors to meet groomers and abusers so it is important to address the issue of the proship community when addressing the issue of groomers and abusers online
Hey so i should mention i dont exactly agree with what i said here anymore, i understand now that pro shipping is still incredibly dangerous to children and we should still worry about all of that stuff because its all still very disgusting and is a way for pedos to uhhh you know, So just letting everyone know reading this now i dont think this anymore XD
Hi. As someone who has encountered this disgusting behavior on AJ as a minor, it’s refreshing to see someone talk about it. I’ve been targeted on the game. I won’t get into details, but I was aware of how wrong it was, and I’m very lucky I saw through it. Some kids might not have the same level of understanding as I did. I hope they don’t fall into the trap.
10:09 I would like to comment in that Unfortunately , i was gr00med as a kid, and this made me cope in being hyper s3xu4l, and sometimes i rlly feel groce about myself Even if they say that is a coping mechanism, most of the time they kinda of.. Romanticize it rlly badly, and portray as it is okay or good, and honestly thats the thing i hate about proshipping
I’m hypersexual as well, can definitely empathize with the struggle because it really makes you feel like a pervert sometimes. It can be really tough to live with that trauma and I’m very sorry you had to go through that. As a proshipper I definitely believe it’s a very important distinction to make that you don’t support any of that stuff irl. Generally… I don’t think it’s okay at all to post stuff like that, romanticized or not, without putting warnings and posting it in a space where minors won’t just stumble across it. One of the many reasons I, as a proshipper, dislike other proshippers is because many of them post very NSFW things on platforms full of children (like TikTok)
@@tally_ishThank you for understanding Honestly, most of time, I simply ignore proshipper arts or accs , but I don't consider myself a anti shipper, because yeah, sometimes they can go too far And I'm glad you know the difference of real life stuff with fiction
. . . . . . . nothing much to say as a minor since i was shown stuff like this due to unrestricted access to the Internet. dear proshippers pls keep it to 18+ spaces so that minors don't get as harmed as i was in the past. it literally causes us serious harm. /nm
I personally try not to participate in this weird internet warfare that is Pros vs. Antis, so my only opinion is this; If it helps you cope, cool. Awesome. But keep it in 18+ spaces. NOT on kids sites like AJPW, for gods sake. If you can’t keep your urges to yourself (which includes the urge to tell someone to off themselves over a drawing), then *log off,* and get some help. Okay? Okay.
i personally think adult proshipping spaces and minor spaces should be strictly seperate. minors shouldn't seek out proship content and proshippers shouldn't be advertising to children. most proshippers ive met are adults who are just in their own corner of the internet, so i was quite surprised they would be advertising to children. it's quite disturbing but i'm pretty sure those kinds of proshippers are actual dangerous people trying to hide behind the identity of a proshipper, these kinds of people should not be around kids at all. however there are a lot of proshipper creators who have 18+ accounts that minors also specifically find their accounts to harass/attack, even though they have "proship dni" in their bios. this argument is very complicated to approach when both sides can have wildly varying levels of understanding of the topic, especially when one side is more likely to include minors in it. i think both sides should be very careful with handling the other, so as to not start hate campaigns/arguments. minors shouldnt be in proship spaces at all though, thats something that shocked me a lot.
okay, my take, as someone who has been around both sides a LOT is, judge individuals, not the term! the term proship stems from the large umbrella term profiction, which is literally just a term being against censorship, all sorts of media being allowed. i am against censorship myself, though i do not use the term proship because of the negative connotations it holds nowadays. i don't think the term is evil or anything. i don't ship really horrible things and make it seem cute, no, i don't personally do that. some people do and i have boundaries that i don't want to interact with those individuals. i just don't find it pleasant, but i won't go out of my way to go after them for it if they aren't posting it publically. everyone has different morals, including proshippers. not every proshipper, ESPECIALLY people using the label to push back against the bad rep, are bad from my experience. i judge on an individual basis, not group. that goes for literally anything else that is obviously morally gray, i just take a step back and think for myself. smartest thing to do, i feel. i am an adult, by the way! 18 years old, so i believe i have a reasonable say in all this. minors safety over anything.
I, yes am a shipper. I do not pro-ship, as its completely disgusting and weird. I do like shipping characters, but there is certain criteria that they have to fill to make sure its not either gross, a relation to one of another and pedophilia. There are lots more. I can understand that "oh it's fictional characters though!!! Its not hurting anyone!" can be argued, but it's still extremely weird and unappealing. Warrior cats is a fandom i have seen become extremely vulnerable to pro-shipping, such as Mentor x App, etc. I understand that they are cats, unreal fictional cats, but this is just. No. Its not a dynamic that should EVER be brought up.
I'm probably late for this video. I didn't know the term "proshipping" when I was a kid but I learned about it the wrong way I just wanted to play Animal Jam Classic when I was 8 I met a gray arctic wolf early on and I didn't think he would do anything bad, but he was acting weird like when someone asks you awkward questions. I didn't say many answers because I didn't want to answer the questions he asked, I had asked him about his age and he told me that it didn't matter. His "friends" that he unfortunately introduced me to were shipping me with him and with themselves, you know, like those typical proshippers I had made it clear to his friends that what they were doing was strange and that they should stop because it made me uncomfortable. I made it very clear to them, but I even remember that one of them showed me a masterpiece from the ship with the gray artic wolf and me. They were shipping me like that for a whole month until I decided it was enough, I thought it was funny since I took it as a joke but I started to get tired and I blocked them all, I even deleted my first account. Please, if you meet someone like that, it's best to walk away. I know it wasn't a big deal, but for my 8-year-old self, it was too much.
im not sure that you’ll notice this comment because im like 4 months late, but i want to tell my story. when i was younger, i sadly got groomed multiple times. i didnt realize i was getting groomed until this july! but before i knew, i coped with hypersexuality and proshipping. i was pretty young so of course i didnt see a issue and i thought that proshipping and sexulizing myself. but everytime i looked at proship content, it deeply triggered me, so i decided to stop and move to a different coping mechanisms. but again, it was just causing harm to my body and mind so i seeked professional help, that was the best choice. im not fully recovered by proshipping yet, but im getting out of it. i had thoughts of proshipping again, but i try my best to stop myself. at the end, im best without it. message here, FICTION DOES AFFECT REALITY!! thank you so much for spending the time to listen to my story!
I am a minor and I have some trauma from being adopted.. I also do art I do draw violent stuff when angry or extremely sad or depressed. I also use art to a scape from reality one reason why music helps some people it soothing and can help with emotions depending on what you listen to.. Kijji I totally agree on pro shipping being horrible luckily I’ve never seen it. But this video is very very very helpful thank you so much for making it. Also keep up the awesome work
People who got uncomfortable or unsafe, dont forget that Kijjikon put a warning for a reason, You have too read warnings all the time so everyone understands that it can be uncomfortable or scary.
I don’t consider myself a pro-shipper but I am a monster enjoyer so others more than likely consider me one. I always assumed pro-shipping only included taboo things like family members, but I guess shipping anything that isn’t a straight cisgender adult couple makes you a bad person. I’d have more compassion for the antis if they cared about what they preached. There’s been way too many instances of antis sending explicit pro ship content to minors. I’m sure there’s good antis who actually care about children but most from what I’ve seen only care about harassing people, traumatizing minors, and causing serious harm to people. I tend to stay out of the discourse but as a csa survivor I got sick from some of the things antis. They also like reporting pro ship content to the authorities which takes away resources from actual victims. Personally I don’t think minors should have internet access period. I say this as someone who had unrestricted internet access as a minor. My parents weren’t bad parents we were just poor so they had to work all hours of the day. It wasn’t hard for me to figure out how to get past parental blocks. Many pro ship spaces are 18+ but minors will figure out a way in, I know because that’s what I did as a minor. The things I shipped as a minor really didn’t affect me much, but constantly being harassed for what i shipped as a minor damaged me so bad that I still feel the effects as an adult. There’s bad people of both sides just as there are good people but it’s the fact that antis claim to be morally right while doing the most heinous and morally deprived things that makes them worse imo.
Hey man, thanks so much for talking about this. Takes a lot of courage to address something so controversial. 🫡 I personally use it as a coping mechanism. I was groomed and seeing fictional characters who are victimized makes me feel a lot better. I firmly believe that hurting a fictional character is nowhere near the same as hurting a real person. And I understand that for many, proship content is very triggering. HOWEVER, I never intended for that to brought up in the AJ community. I mentioned it to some friends when I was venting, that I lost a friend due to being a proshipper. All I stated was that I was a proshipper. Literally that’s it. Someone asked what it meant so I explained it. I was in a very vulnerable spot, and instead of receiving the support I desperately needed, I was berated, insulted, and sexually harassed. I don’t post proship art on my socials. I don’t talk about it that openly. The callout post was screenshotted from a vent that I thought would stay private and people targeted me for still having thoughts about my abuser. I state quite proudly that I am a paraphile. But people assume that it’s the worst. Im not a “map” I’m not a pedophile. I’m not a zoophile. I am an objectophile. I literally just experience attraction to plushies. And instead of people simply asking me, they just shame me for it, eugh. I can’t believe that I have to say this, but MINORS, ANIMALS, AND THE DEAD CANNOT CONSENT! Also by PEAR I meant exactly what it says. Be yourself. Whatever. Therians, Age Regressors, don’t feel forced to hide that 👍 I’m making the conscious decision to comment. I don’t care about people who wanna argue, or insult me, or tell me that I deserve all of this. Likewise, I’m not gonna debate anyone who supports pedos/zoos/necros. Admittedly, flag was probably not great… I don’t necessarily think that objectum is something to be… taken as something bad/illegal? I never saw my attraction as something innately sexual, since I mainly just experience nonsexual attraction to objects, and have been experiencing that attraction since a child. But still, I definitely made a pretty bad mistake there. I may not personally believe that my philia is bad, but I should’ve known that being open about that on AJ would have its consequences. No excuse I could fabricate excuses my foolishness. All I can do is take that experience and learn that “ok, it was very damaging for me to express this in this space. Given the opportunity, I would not repeat this behavior.” I really appreciate the ending segment because genuinely… I didn’t think I was doing anything wrong. And I’m sorry about all of that. I didn’t mean to lie about anything or sugarcoat anything- but I don’t at all blame you for feeling betrayed by me because in all honesty the flag thing was… really freaking wrong of me. Thank you though, for reaching out. Thank you for talking about this. And thanks for just.. looking out for the community in general. You’re fantastic. Regarding the pinned comment, I don’t want you at all to feel pressured to defend me or anything, or say anything. But if you do have any advice to offer on how I could possibly better my behavior or become a safer individual, please let me know (this isn’t just directed at Kijjikon btw, I genuinely feel awful for all of this and want to become better.) I guess that’s it. I hope everyone’s safe, loved, and happy. Thanks for reading my super long comment if you did.
fresh look on this topic that i havent seen before, i like it. its also fun how kijjikon talks about a disturbing topic while spending his life savings on l03ra art in the background. xD
Tbh I fully understand you when it comes to trauma and making things themed around it. I have a eating disorder, I barely eat if at all. Due to past issues with food. A fear of food I guess is a better term. But w lot of my ocs love food , and enjoy eating. A lot of times I get nervous showing that in my characters. Afraid people might assume I have a fat obsession. Even though none of them are over wight. It helps me cope with my own anxiety of food and eating/getting sick after eating.
idk telling an abuser to off themselves isnt as bad as them manipulating kids, you cant just blanket statement this because "proship" can both include the abuser and the victim, therefore leaving out important nuance.
Yep, people like Nick Nobody & his friends Zippity & RubberShogun are so much worse than most pro-shippers. Nick made a video dragging me through the mud for having a crush on Reimi Sugimoto. They've engaged in much worse stuff than what they accused me of
As said last night, I think you vocalized everything perfectly in a clear and understanding manner! This is a VERY touchy subject and you handled it care while also expressing your distaste to it. Just educating what it is is very important and hopefully will help others. Great work as always Sam! also finding out yesterday that person is actually like that made my jaw drop in disgust. Thank goodness for gnomies and anemoia for spreading this around, and now it can reach a larger audience here to spread awareness.
Admittedly the whole flag thing was indeed very wrong of me. I didn’t see my philia as anything harmful since my attraction is towards something not inherently harmful, and I’ve felt it since I was young. HOWEVER, I now realize that representing it in Animal Jam was a pretty horrible idea. While my objectum sexuality may not inherently be something nsfw, because it is a paraphilia, it also is associated with other paraphilias and therefore being open about that in the environment of Animal Jam could lead to kids being endangered. I did something very stupid and selfish! And only after Sam addressed it, I realized why I shouldn’t have done that. I unfortunately cannot change the fact I did that. But I now know that what I did was bad and know to not share my paraphila in these kinds of spaces. All I can do now is keep moving forward.
Y’all I’m so sorry but I cope through humor- The fact that I just casually saw people advertising trades n shit while the most fucked up shit was plastered on the screen has me rolling 😭😭 ALSO WHY DOES AJHQ ALLOW HAZBIN HOTEL ART, BUT I GET INSTANTLY BANNED FOR SAYING “Autistic” (The context was that some other jammers I was talking too mentioned they were Autistic, and I wanted to let them know that I was too, but the second I hit enter? Banned. The other jammers were able to say it just fine, but the second I dare to speak- *banned-* 💀 /srs)
"This is a scrambled mess of people trying to make what is a colorful debate... where there is supposed to be nuance and discussion and debate, and turning it into a black and white argument either "you're with us or you're against us", "you're virtuous" or "you're a predator", when nothing in life is that black and white." Wonderfully said.
I've luckily never encountered a creepy pro-shipper in fandom spaces but I've seen alot of people get harassed for ships that aren't even that problematic(think bakudeku). I hate seeing people harassed, it never helps to harass and bully people, even if they have done bad things 9 times out of 10 they just double down on it when that happens.
I really appreciate your very nuanced approach on this topic!! It’s not always a black and white issue so I’m glad you do not treat it as such. Absolutely sucks you got lied to though. Doesn’t really help the proship argument from their side to say the least :/
as a proshipper i js wanna say what proshipping and what being a proshipper actually means, it means not harassing someone over a fictional ship. basically to sum it up its like "okay, i don't agree with your ship, but i'm not gonna harass you for it because you don't deserve that" its has nothing to do with zoo, peds, or incest (it can depending on the situation, but generally speaking its not abt that) js thought i'd clear that up
Bruh... there's a trend on TH-cam of people fixing this person's art and the person who made the art they're fixing ship William and Elizabeth from FNAF ( YES, A LITERALLY FATHER AND DAUGHTER! ) It's really gross because they're both related and one is a kid and one is an adult...
And that's not even the worst part 💀 the artist aged Elizabeth down 4 years Elizabeth is 8 years old do the math 8 - 4 =4 🧍 in all of those drawings Elizabeth is between the age of 4-6 years old 💀 honestly I don't care what people do with fictional characters but aging a character who is a child down and turning them into a toddler is mentally deranged 💀 and on top of that having her biological father and older brother molest her 🧍
Its a shame that the AJPW team will try to kick out the people who makes a noise about this. I still fear the safety of those kids even though I stopped playing the game (i think for now but idk) because i kinda grew out of it. I'm scared to show the gen alpha kids i meet the game if creeps are allowed the rome on it.
KIJJIKON! this has nothing to do with this video.But I just wanna say there's a game called like I think it was dash tag and it's made by wild works and I can't believe it. It was shutdown 5 yrs ago and it's up again, could you do a video on it?
Maybe. I was considering it but it seems like alot of creators have already covered it. I have been a bit busy with work unfortunately so I was late to the party
I do agree with a lot that you said except for when you said it’s ok for people to proship as a cope. I do know that people can do that but I don’t think that it is something that they should do. I don’t think it’s a good idea for people to think that it is a good thing, an ok thing to do. I hope that makes sense. Thank you for speaking out about this. Not many would. ❤
I think it’s a lot more complex than simply ‘it’s okay to proship.’ I probably could have spoken on that a lot more but the video was already very long. My point was meant to be more so ‘if it does genuinely help you, then it’s hard for me to judge given I haven’t been there’ and of course I would ALWAYS suggest you seek a therapist, and take their advice. They would know far better than I.
@@kijjikonI really appreciate you trying to protect the community, honestly it took me a bit to get the courage to say something since I got a lot of backlash from comments last time. (It was about simple internet safety but I guess no one cares about safety these days) Thank you for putting a lot of time and effort into informing the community. Also do you still have the Jam double I gave you? I’m just curious I don’t care what you do with it. lol
this is,, an exceptionally weird topic for an animal jam channel but at the end of the day kids should know this is a problem too. i want to point out that its not just kids "stumbling across" pro-ship its often adults taking advantage of them and showing it to them directly. they like being sneaky about it like at first just sending a photo of a sfw drawing of the ship and saying "haha me n you" and it can eventually devolve into straight up nsfw. proship is used by minors too, minors do make proship content most of the time because they have been coerced into it and now see it as normal or have developed a k/nk for it. predators do target mentally ill/at risk people too, minor or otherwise you can still groom an adult, those mostly being disabled, being an adult doesnt automatically mean you know everything especially if you are from a disfunctional household where maybe you werent taught everything you were supposed to in a way you could understand. proship also severely intertwined with nsfw and a child cant meaningly tell the difference between something they shouldnt be looking at because its for "adults" and something thats morally reprehensive. for years i couldnt see necrop###a as wrong because i was exposed to it way too young and was hiding it from my parents because it was p*rn not realising that it was so much worse than that. a proshipper can be a kid who is severely mentally ill and pushing them out of every circle because they draw that could just further push them back into their abusers. you also cannot just post proship without somebody being affected by it. especially building a community on "fictional only" proship content you can never guarantee that you arent just giving a groomer more material to further help normalize a horrible relationship because "hey look, there are plently of people online who think the same". this also bleeds into zoop*ilia, people CAN convince themselves that they dont need to get help for their harmful paraphilias because there is a whole community of people telling them that its ok and completely normal and that their pet is "consenting" if they watch out for the following signs. zoo*iles are also starting to co-opt therians and alterhumanity as a way to justify their sick urges and its absolutely disgusting. it cant be an "intrusive thought" if youre not utterly disgusted by it and actually just fantasize about it. also im extremely cautious around anybody who is "proship" but "doesnt actually ship anything illegal" because by definition you are giving predators a free pass and not just "dont care" but active support it by identifying yourself with that label. "not caring about others ships" is the most tame way of describing it and i really think that somebody would do more research about a label before identifying themselves with it.
I draw or play with ai and write privately. I keep my ships and stuff to myself. I was 18 and trying to understand things. people had made it so I wouldn't understand. I talked to cops and they laughed at me. it wasn't till I was 20 did I fully understand. it wasn't till 21 did I feel safe about my bounderies and saying no. I'm now 24 and still have hard time telling people no but I'm more able to firmly say no.
The music you used in this video was beautiful, I don't suppose theres a playlist somewhere to listen to these? Great video very informative. Had no idea what a proshipper was.
I just ship what I want and mess around with interesting dynamics, I shipped things like billdip, bullford, ect when I was really young, I only started labeling myself as a proshipper when I was harassed for not putting it in my bio, both proship and antiship have bad people in their community, I feel like many proshippers take it to far when they mix with pro para spaces and it stops being about fiction, and antis harass and break their own do not interacts I think of the proshippers who know the line between fiction and reality, post that stuff with their tags, not causing problems, as actual proshippers, I don’t like people in this community who give antis the impression that all of us are preds, pro para, prosh, ect Many people with already problomatic beliefs cling to the proship community because they see it’s as a way to be as problomatic as they want without judgement I write dark fiction, because those dynamics are interesting to me, and help me feel better about my own experiences
of course fiction effects reality because if it didnt the whole concept of propaganda wouldnt exist but i also belive that theres a place for this sort of art in the world and that the people who like it have the right to make it because of freedom of expression even if i dont like it nor most people, you cant really change peoples minds and force them to stop through the internet
Im a proshipper, but i keep it in 18+ spaces, proshippers who involve their ships in animal jam (or other kids games) are disgusting because it can lead children into researching what it is. Ship and let ship in adult spaces, not animal jam.
good video!! I do think that proshipping is morally wrong and I identify as an anti, but I would never send death threats or harass them. I just block and move on. they probably don't want to see me on their fyp, and I don't want to see them on mine!
Off topic, but 1:10 is so real. Why ship characters when you can do it with your own? But on topic, i see pro shipping as a…weird thing. But I’m not gonna threaten and send death threats to these people.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO! I’m not done watching the video but here is a fact if not mentioned in the video: Conshippers ship ships, and proshipping supports all ships. In my opinion- both of them are very bad
Honestly I don’t like shipping anyone or anything because I just feel disrespectful so I usually stop myself from thinking about it if I think about that stuff (idk if I’ve said this before but I forget) anyways I totally agree that threatening and doxxing people doesn’t help or is good for bad people or anything else but I don’t support any pedophilia or zoophilia and other philia’s or anything else that’s bad
For my take - Warning for swearing, this is sensitive topic to me - TL;DR - its fine as long as its not shared or posted ANYWHERE. do what you will but the only way to ensure its not going to effect anyone, just dont post it I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone using "its just fiction" as an excuse clearly is so horribly blind to their own doing that they dont relize how blady this shit chan affect people. it effected me when I was *10*. fucking 10 and it was disgusting Proshipping content that make me thing Insest and p3do ways of thinking and other vile shit was okay. I thought it was okay to WANT to be a victim. it ruined my childhood and it got so bad that im now *hypersexual*. before you ask, it wasnt censored, it wasnt given a disclamer, it wasnt given any sort of filter, it was just *there* Fiction Isnt JUST fiction, it can effect reality. and this shit needs to be de-normalized and just stopped outright It IS real. It can and WILL hurt people do I think I fall under "anti-shipper"? no. I ship cannon x cannon and oc x cannon all the time, i dont care what people say about my ships, but I dont ship anything ILLIGAL/problematic/toxic. I dont think we should allow illigal ships to be so open and so normalized, romanticized actually. restricting it to 18+ spaces dont typically stay in 18+ spaces. I mean you can look anything up rn anywhere and have a 50% chance of finding p0rn, lets be honest as a coping mechanism? sure. maybe. but KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. dont share it around becasue then it goes right back to square one, it can start another cycle to be honest, because things shared around dont typically stay in that one area.
Proshipping is disgusting, I hate proshippers, I can't believe it is in the aj community, I am in the art and aj community, there are lots of nasty proshippers in the art community.... Also, good that you put the S/A resource help in the description, so people that have had that happen can get help 💖 (Dude, I Love that hazbin hotel art in your den-)
Of course. I may not be the most knowledgeable person out there but if I can provide even surface level resources for people I shall!! Also that’s my friend finchiis den!!
I honestly hate proshippers with all my heart. I can’t stand them and I can’t help but to mock and try to hurt them because it just feels good to do. I always thought that I would never do this to anyone, but when I first encountered a proshipper I actually lost it and I legitimately couldn’t control myself. It’s like I was word vomiting every insult I’ve ever heard in an attempt to hurt them as much as possible, insulting their family, their appearance, their hobbies, literally everything. I thought “how dare they take something I experienced and turn it into this? What’s wrong with you?” For years I felt this way and I still do, I’m so unbelievably hateful it’s almost a burning passion. I am hurt from how this is being so joyfully put online by such young children and creepy adults, I wish they’d just keep it to themselves. I’ve gone through so much trauma that has completely ruined my life and has left me disabled and so Proshipping feels mocking like someone is saying that what happened to me didn’t matter because it was “sexy” or “hot.” It’s not. I am in so much fucking pain every single day of my life. Proshipping will never be a valid coping mechanism in my eyes.
Something YOU experienced? The person doing it could have went through it do, many do, I have, multible times You can be mad but you going out of your way to hurt someone who could also be young is terrible, I suggest getting therapy if you can’t help but hurt people you disagree with
People experience the effects of sa differently, putting fiction aside many people get knks from their trauma, are they finding YOUR experience hot? NO defintly not
@@ConfettieShippss I’m not saying that. I want them to keep it to themselves. People don’t go out and express their kinks like that, it’s fucking disgusting. Everyone has kinks, it’s normal and it’s human, but that’s something you keep between yourself, and whatever partner you have, not to share on the internet for hundreds if not thousands of people to see. Besides that, even if it is fiction, it normalizes the idea of those kinds of things. There is never any reason why someone should post that online for other people to see. If I need a therapist, then these people need a fucking lobotomy.
@@ConfettieShippss And quite honestly I don’t care if I hurt them. Humiliation is a part of life and they’ll be thankful for it when they’re older. Their behavior is not only unacceptable, but disrespectful, disgusting, and mocking. I couldn’t care less if someone is hurt by something I say.
@@ConfettieShippssMy other message has been deleted by TH-cam, but what I had said originally was: I'm not saying that. I want them to keep it to themselves. People don't go out and express their knks like that, it's fucking disgusting. Everyone has knks, it's normal and it's human, but that's something you keep between yourself, and whatever partner you have, not to share on the internet for hundreds if not thousands of people to see. Besides that, even if it is fiction, it normalizes the idea of those kinds of things. There is never any reason why someone should post that online for other people to see. If I need a therapist, then these people need a fucking lobotomy.
Personally I think shipping lugi and mario is weird, although I dont judge if other ppl do. Again im not supporting it, but whatever floats your boat yk? I never rlly shipped anyone in the mario fandom tbh, I only played that game a little bit a long time ago. All I really know about it is oh you gotta save the princess, although my version of Mario is tis dumb cross eyed plumber whose just stupid and rude and kills everyone near him (accidentally/jokingly) thanks to smg4, although Ik thats not how the real mario is thats how I view him. So theres some characters I ship him with aka Meggy, but I dont rlly ship them wholeheartedly in a sense.
Hay kijjiko u traded my sister her user Amundsonsay and she does not know why and she was wondering if you can retrace her and finish what u was saying
3:29 AS A MAJOR HUNTLOW STAN AND HAS HUNTER AND WILLOW AS MY COMFORT SHIP YOU ARE GLADLY IN DNI :) + TOO BAD ITS ALREADY CANNON DANA TERRACES FACE/REACTION ON THAT Q&A RIGHT AFTER SEASON 2 ENDED This Is also what pisses me off about proshippers, specifically in The Owl House fandom (CoUgH c0uGh "LuNTeR" c0uGh CoUgH, LITTERALLY YOU DONT HAVE TO BE BLOOD RELATED TO BE SIBLINGS/TO HAVE A SIBLING LIKE BOND AND IT WAS LITERALLY IMPLIED IN THE SHOW AND ITS JUST FLIPPIN WEIRD ASF TO SHIP THEM, NOT TO MENTION LUZ IS 14 AND HUNTER IS 16 💀🤤) Overall I 100000000% agree with this Kijji!!!
good video!! i do think that this requires nuance, more than people give, but i dont really agree with everything the fact that fiction doesnt effect reality, including actual adults, has been disproven over and over again (many examples, such as jaws kickstarting the widespread fear of sharks and the killing of many out of fear, a very racist movie i refuse to name causing a lot of normalization of racism way back when, bugs bunny causing people to think that carrots are a good sustainable food for rabbits, and more), which is why i think proshipping in 18+ spaces is highly disturbing and should not exist and should be condemned. not even just around minors, just in general. if youre a fullgrown adult and indulge in proship content it usually comes from desires they have themselves unlike traumatized minors creating it to cope with things that happened to them. adults are harder to influence than minors, you are correct, but they can still be influenced to think that people might actually accept these desires and not rightfully condemn them for it (like the people causing active harm that you mentioned. they usually go hand in hand if done by an adult, even if they say that they have no desire for things in real life they still indulge in these desires in fiction, obviously you can depict dark topics in fiction like the things proshippers depict but in a TASTEFUL manner that isnt normalized or romanticized like proship content). no matter what, even if an only 18+ space, it still normalizes these ideas in the minds of the people consuming and creating it and often creates a space for actual predators to indulge in content that reflects their genuine desires, you can never tell on the internet and its too great of a risk for people to post this sort of content, even in adult spaces only. tldr even if its fiction and done in 18+ spaces usually(NOT ALWAYS! some people genuinely dont, but it is INCREDIBLY common.) these things do come from a place of innermost desire of the people creating it and creates a space for pedophiles and other sorts of predators to consume content of this sort! even if it doesnt come from the desire of the person creating it, it still creates content for these people to consume and normalizes it in general. i do heavily agree that nuance is required when it comes to minors creating proship content though, very much so, as its either a coping mechanism or something the minor was likely groomed into making by adults or a bad online environment. i think that they shouldnt be harassed at all and instead should be encouraged to either stop creating this content if its hurting them and normalizing things in their head or keep it very very private as it puts them at major risk for further manipulation until they have a different way to cope. this is all coming from someone who LOVES fiction that explores dark topics and am a s/a survivor myself, i think its okay to write these things in a tasteful manner, but no matter what, if it romanticizes and normalizes the subject, especially to minors, it should be condemned. again very good video! this definitely isnt a black and white topic when it comes to minors consuming and creating this content im very not fond of proshipping myself if it wasnt obvious and think its very dangerous and find a lot of them to be generally very nasty towards you if you find discomfort in the subjects they indulge in or refuse to interact with them (often being deemed a "puritan" and such) and as said i think it normalizes spaces for dangerous people even if its deemed as "only fiction" and such but yeah! dont want this to be any longer but thats my input
imagining two characters in an abusive relationship, wondering how it would work, using it as character building and lore: 👍 enjoying the dynamic and finding it interesting how the characters might work together in a relationship: 👍 normalising the abuse, thinking it’s super romantic, ect: 🙁☹️ (my opinion bbbbhhhfjggkgkvk, i feel like blanket statement ‘shipping abuse is bad’, ‘shipping toxic is bad’ is not seeing the nuance. the proship discourse is just very chronically online tbh)
I may be coming up proshipper but I’m just gonna keep it to myself since people really don’t like weird ass stuff on the Internet though I hate it when they ship like parent and child it’s just disgusting like it’s your child you do not f🦆🦆 kiss and f4#%your child- but I don’t plan on it I just might but if I do oh well, I might stop after a while bc my house burned down in February 2023, and I just can’t get over it though. I have a new house I can’t get over the feeling of all my animals may be dying. That’s why I might become a pro shipper and I’ve been groomed many many times
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In regards to the post segment at starting at 30:20
I know that both people actively campaigning against the person in question, and the person in question will be watching this video.
Howdy.
I want to be clear in saying I wish no ill will against anyone, no, not even you. This is the one and ONLY video I’m making on this topic.
I’m tired. Wether or not I’m being lied to, wether or not there is unfortunate misunderstanding abound. I am done with this situation.
I wish you all well, and I hope you all take time to make sure you are taking care of yourselves in this scenario, as it is an emotionally heavy one.
Best regards, Kijjikon
Edit for clarity:
When I say done, I don’t mean done discussing. I mean done POSTING in regards to this. If anyone needs any clarification or just wants to chat please reach out here in the comments or on Instagram. You can’t know the answer to a question you’ve never asked. I don’t bite! 💜
Its sad to say this but when i was younger i was S/A and it really scard me, and to hear that people want to normalize shipping kids with adults is really disgusting.
Does that include people who ship Misato with Shinji to live out a boys fantasy?
@@SlashinatorZ I don't know who that is.
Agreed. I was also $/∆
And then people say it’s just fictional and doesn’t hurt anyone just makes things worse
Proshipping is SUCH a hard topic to talk about especially with how different everyone who proships is but you genuinely explained everything so well. Also im so greatful someone is finally talkinabout how people should focus on actual abusers instead since i literally see almost no one talking about that 😭 and like despite how nasty is find proshipping and all that kind of stuff actual abusers and groomers are what people seriously have to worry about
Thing is, proshipping helps groomers as their content can be used to normalize gross behavior. We can worry about proshipping and groomers at the same time while knowing one is far worse than the other.
The proship community is quite often a gateway for many minors to meet groomers and abusers so it is important to address the issue of the proship community when addressing the issue of groomers and abusers online
Hey so i should mention i dont exactly agree with what i said here anymore, i understand now that pro shipping is still incredibly dangerous to children and we should still worry about all of that stuff because its all still very disgusting and is a way for pedos to uhhh you know, So just letting everyone know reading this now i dont think this anymore XD
@@KeanuBlob i was groomed with sfw cartoons idk about that one boss...
Hi. As someone who has encountered this disgusting behavior on AJ as a minor, it’s refreshing to see someone talk about it. I’ve been targeted on the game. I won’t get into details, but I was aware of how wrong it was, and I’m very lucky I saw through it. Some kids might not have the same level of understanding as I did. I hope they don’t fall into the trap.
I hope you are alright now 💜💜
30:21 that scared the life out of me.
10:09 I would like to comment in that
Unfortunately , i was gr00med as a kid, and this made me cope in being hyper s3xu4l, and sometimes i rlly feel groce about myself
Even if they say that is a coping mechanism, most of the time they kinda of.. Romanticize it rlly badly, and portray as it is okay or good, and honestly thats the thing i hate about proshipping
I’m hypersexual as well, can definitely empathize with the struggle because it really makes you feel like a pervert sometimes. It can be really tough to live with that trauma and I’m very sorry you had to go through that.
As a proshipper I definitely believe it’s a very important distinction to make that you don’t support any of that stuff irl. Generally… I don’t think it’s okay at all to post stuff like that, romanticized or not, without putting warnings and posting it in a space where minors won’t just stumble across it. One of the many reasons I, as a proshipper, dislike other proshippers is because many of them post very NSFW things on platforms full of children (like TikTok)
@@tally_ishThank you for understanding
Honestly, most of time, I simply ignore proshipper arts or accs , but I don't consider myself a anti shipper, because yeah, sometimes they can go too far
And I'm glad you know the difference of real life stuff with fiction
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nothing much to say as a minor since i was shown stuff like this due to unrestricted access to the Internet. dear proshippers pls keep it to 18+ spaces so that minors don't get as harmed as i was in the past. it literally causes us serious harm. /nm
Most proshippers are 13 or younger! they shouldn't be in those spaces lol
I personally try not to participate in this weird internet warfare that is Pros vs. Antis, so my only opinion is this;
If it helps you cope, cool. Awesome. But keep it in 18+ spaces. NOT on kids sites like AJPW, for gods sake. If you can’t keep your urges to yourself (which includes the urge to tell someone to off themselves over a drawing), then *log off,* and get some help. Okay? Okay.
i personally think adult proshipping spaces and minor spaces should be strictly seperate. minors shouldn't seek out proship content and proshippers shouldn't be advertising to children. most proshippers ive met are adults who are just in their own corner of the internet, so i was quite surprised they would be advertising to children. it's quite disturbing but i'm pretty sure those kinds of proshippers are actual dangerous people trying to hide behind the identity of a proshipper, these kinds of people should not be around kids at all. however there are a lot of proshipper creators who have 18+ accounts that minors also specifically find their accounts to harass/attack, even though they have "proship dni" in their bios. this argument is very complicated to approach when both sides can have wildly varying levels of understanding of the topic, especially when one side is more likely to include minors in it. i think both sides should be very careful with handling the other, so as to not start hate campaigns/arguments. minors shouldnt be in proship spaces at all though, thats something that shocked me a lot.
okay, my take, as someone who has been around both sides a LOT is, judge individuals, not the term! the term proship stems from the large umbrella term profiction, which is literally just a term being against censorship, all sorts of media being allowed. i am against censorship myself, though i do not use the term proship because of the negative connotations it holds nowadays. i don't think the term is evil or anything. i don't ship really horrible things and make it seem cute, no, i don't personally do that. some people do and i have boundaries that i don't want to interact with those individuals. i just don't find it pleasant, but i won't go out of my way to go after them for it if they aren't posting it publically. everyone has different morals, including proshippers. not every proshipper, ESPECIALLY people using the label to push back against the bad rep, are bad from my experience. i judge on an individual basis, not group. that goes for literally anything else that is obviously morally gray, i just take a step back and think for myself. smartest thing to do, i feel. i am an adult, by the way! 18 years old, so i believe i have a reasonable say in all this. minors safety over anything.
Well said!
I, yes am a shipper. I do not pro-ship, as its completely disgusting and weird. I do like shipping characters, but there is certain criteria that they have to fill to make sure its not either gross, a relation to one of another and pedophilia. There are lots more.
I can understand that "oh it's fictional characters though!!! Its not hurting anyone!" can be argued, but it's still extremely weird and unappealing.
Warrior cats is a fandom i have seen become extremely vulnerable to pro-shipping, such as Mentor x App, etc. I understand that they are cats, unreal fictional cats, but this is just. No. Its not a dynamic that should EVER be brought up.
Dustpelt: 🙄🙄🙄
(He’s so weird for that 😭)
*darkship is what you’re describing
I'm probably late for this video.
I didn't know the term "proshipping" when I was a kid but I learned about it the wrong way
I just wanted to play Animal Jam Classic when I was 8
I met a gray arctic wolf early on and I didn't think he would do anything bad, but he was acting weird like when someone asks you awkward questions.
I didn't say many answers because I didn't want to answer the questions he asked, I had asked him about his age and he told me that it didn't matter.
His "friends" that he unfortunately introduced me to were shipping me with him and with themselves, you know, like those typical proshippers
I had made it clear to his friends that what they were doing was strange and that they should stop because it made me uncomfortable. I made it very clear to them, but I even remember that one of them showed me a masterpiece from the ship with the gray artic wolf and me.
They were shipping me like that for a whole month until I decided it was enough, I thought it was funny since I took it as a joke but I started to get tired and I blocked them all, I even deleted my first account.
Please, if you meet someone like that, it's best to walk away. I know it wasn't a big deal, but for my 8-year-old self, it was too much.
im not sure that you’ll notice this comment because im like 4 months late, but i want to tell my story. when i was younger, i sadly got groomed multiple times. i didnt realize i was getting groomed until this july! but before i knew, i coped with hypersexuality and proshipping. i was pretty young so of course i didnt see a issue and i thought that proshipping and sexulizing myself. but everytime i looked at proship content, it deeply triggered me, so i decided to stop and move to a different coping mechanisms. but again, it was just causing harm to my body and mind so i seeked professional help, that was the best choice. im not fully recovered by proshipping yet, but im getting out of it. i had thoughts of proshipping again, but i try my best to stop myself. at the end, im best without it. message here, FICTION DOES AFFECT REALITY!! thank you so much for spending the time to listen to my story!
I am a minor and I have some trauma from being adopted.. I also do art I do draw violent stuff when angry or extremely sad or depressed. I also use art to a scape from reality one reason why music helps some people it soothing and can help with emotions depending on what you listen to.. Kijji I totally agree on pro shipping being horrible luckily I’ve never seen it. But this video is very very very helpful thank you so much for making it. Also keep up the awesome work
Also someone did use one of those signs on are channel I ended up deleteing it but Ty for the examples know Ik what it means
FINALLY BASED ANIMAL JAM TH-camR
I dont care about shipping entirely if it isn't hurting anyone then it isn't an issue nor is it illegal
People who got uncomfortable or unsafe, dont forget that Kijjikon put a warning for a reason, You have too read warnings all the time so everyone understands that it can be uncomfortable or scary.
I don’t consider myself a pro-shipper but I am a monster enjoyer so others more than likely consider me one. I always assumed pro-shipping only included taboo things like family members, but I guess shipping anything that isn’t a straight cisgender adult couple makes you a bad person. I’d have more compassion for the antis if they cared about what they preached. There’s been way too many instances of antis sending explicit pro ship content to minors. I’m sure there’s good antis who actually care about children but most from what I’ve seen only care about harassing people, traumatizing minors, and causing serious harm to people. I tend to stay out of the discourse but as a csa survivor I got sick from some of the things antis. They also like reporting pro ship content to the authorities which takes away resources from actual victims.
Personally I don’t think minors should have internet access period. I say this as someone who had unrestricted internet access as a minor. My parents weren’t bad parents we were just poor so they had to work all hours of the day. It wasn’t hard for me to figure out how to get past parental blocks. Many pro ship spaces are 18+ but minors will figure out a way in, I know because that’s what I did as a minor. The things I shipped as a minor really didn’t affect me much, but constantly being harassed for what i shipped as a minor damaged me so bad that I still feel the effects as an adult. There’s bad people of both sides just as there are good people but it’s the fact that antis claim to be morally right while doing the most heinous and morally deprived things that makes them worse imo.
i expected you to have a really puritan garbage opinion on this and was pleasantly surprised great coverage and good video.
the usage of purtan.. yikes
Hey man, thanks so much for talking about this. Takes a lot of courage to address something so controversial. 🫡
I personally use it as a coping mechanism. I was groomed and seeing fictional characters who are victimized makes me feel a lot better. I firmly believe that hurting a fictional character is nowhere near the same as hurting a real person. And I understand that for many, proship content is very triggering. HOWEVER, I never intended for that to brought up in the AJ community. I mentioned it to some friends when I was venting, that I lost a friend due to being a proshipper. All I stated was that I was a proshipper. Literally that’s it. Someone asked what it meant so I explained it. I was in a very vulnerable spot, and instead of receiving the support I desperately needed, I was berated, insulted, and sexually harassed.
I don’t post proship art on my socials. I don’t talk about it that openly. The callout post was screenshotted from a vent that I thought would stay private and people targeted me for still having thoughts about my abuser.
I state quite proudly that I am a paraphile. But people assume that it’s the worst. Im not a “map” I’m not a pedophile. I’m not a zoophile. I am an objectophile. I literally just experience attraction to plushies. And instead of people simply asking me, they just shame me for it, eugh. I can’t believe that I have to say this, but MINORS, ANIMALS, AND THE DEAD CANNOT CONSENT!
Also by PEAR I meant exactly what it says. Be yourself. Whatever. Therians, Age Regressors, don’t feel forced to hide that 👍
I’m making the conscious decision to comment. I don’t care about people who wanna argue, or insult me, or tell me that I deserve all of this. Likewise, I’m not gonna debate anyone who supports pedos/zoos/necros.
Admittedly, flag was probably not great… I don’t necessarily think that objectum is something to be… taken as something bad/illegal? I never saw my attraction as something innately sexual, since I mainly just experience nonsexual attraction to objects, and have been experiencing that attraction since a child. But still, I definitely made a pretty bad mistake there. I may not personally believe that my philia is bad, but I should’ve known that being open about that on AJ would have its consequences. No excuse I could fabricate excuses my foolishness. All I can do is take that experience and learn that “ok, it was very damaging for me to express this in this space. Given the opportunity, I would not repeat this behavior.” I really appreciate the ending segment because genuinely… I didn’t think I was doing anything wrong. And I’m sorry about all of that. I didn’t mean to lie about anything or sugarcoat anything- but I don’t at all blame you for feeling betrayed by me because in all honesty the flag thing was… really freaking wrong of me.
Thank you though, for reaching out. Thank you for talking about this. And thanks for just.. looking out for the community in general. You’re fantastic.
Regarding the pinned comment, I don’t want you at all to feel pressured to defend me or anything, or say anything. But if you do have any advice to offer on how I could possibly better my behavior or become a safer individual, please let me know (this isn’t just directed at Kijjikon btw, I genuinely feel awful for all of this and want to become better.)
I guess that’s it. I hope everyone’s safe, loved, and happy. Thanks for reading my super long comment if you did.
fresh look on this topic that i havent seen before, i like it. its also fun how kijjikon talks about a disturbing topic while spending his life savings on l03ra art in the background. xD
Tbh I fully understand you when it comes to trauma and making things themed around it. I have a eating disorder, I barely eat if at all. Due to past issues with food. A fear of food I guess is a better term. But w lot of my ocs love food , and enjoy eating. A lot of times I get nervous showing that in my characters. Afraid people might assume I have a fat obsession. Even though none of them are over wight. It helps me cope with my own anxiety of food and eating/getting sick after eating.
Proshipping is bad, but what some people do to proshippers is so much worse.
Worded very wel!! 💜
idk telling an abuser to off themselves isnt as bad as them manipulating kids, you cant just blanket statement this because "proship" can both include the abuser and the victim, therefore leaving out important nuance.
@dishbug what people can do to them is not helpful and worsens the situation.
Yep, people like Nick Nobody & his friends Zippity & RubberShogun are so much worse than most pro-shippers.
Nick made a video dragging me through the mud for having a crush on Reimi Sugimoto.
They've engaged in much worse stuff than what they accused me of
Oh gosh, these topics are getting very serious. Epic video though!
As said last night, I think you vocalized everything perfectly in a clear and understanding manner! This is a VERY touchy subject and you handled it care while also expressing your distaste to it. Just educating what it is is very important and hopefully will help others.
Great work as always Sam!
also finding out yesterday that person is actually like that made my jaw drop in disgust. Thank goodness for gnomies and anemoia for spreading this around, and now it can reach a larger audience here to spread awareness.
Admittedly the whole flag thing was indeed very wrong of me. I didn’t see my philia as anything harmful since my attraction is towards something not inherently harmful, and I’ve felt it since I was young. HOWEVER, I now realize that representing it in Animal Jam was a pretty horrible idea. While my objectum sexuality may not inherently be something nsfw, because it is a paraphilia, it also is associated with other paraphilias and therefore being open about that in the environment of Animal Jam could lead to kids being endangered. I did something very stupid and selfish! And only after Sam addressed it, I realized why I shouldn’t have done that.
I unfortunately cannot change the fact I did that. But I now know that what I did was bad and know to not share my paraphila in these kinds of spaces. All I can do now is keep moving forward.
Y’all I’m so sorry but I cope through humor- The fact that I just casually saw people advertising trades n shit while the most fucked up shit was plastered on the screen has me rolling 😭😭 ALSO WHY DOES AJHQ ALLOW HAZBIN HOTEL ART, BUT I GET INSTANTLY BANNED FOR SAYING “Autistic”
(The context was that some other jammers I was talking too mentioned they were Autistic, and I wanted to let them know that I was too, but the second I hit enter? Banned. The other jammers were able to say it just fine, but the second I dare to speak- *banned-* 💀 /srs)
"This is a scrambled mess of people trying to make what is a colorful debate... where there is supposed to be nuance and discussion and debate, and turning it into a black and white argument either "you're with us or you're against us", "you're virtuous" or "you're a predator", when nothing in life is that black and white."
Wonderfully said.
Another well articulated and informative video! I’ve seen that term around and wasn’t really sure what it meant. Thanks for the info! 😁
I've luckily never encountered a creepy pro-shipper in fandom spaces but I've seen alot of people get harassed for ships that aren't even that problematic(think bakudeku). I hate seeing people harassed, it never helps to harass and bully people, even if they have done bad things 9 times out of 10 they just double down on it when that happens.
I really appreciate your very nuanced approach on this topic!! It’s not always a black and white issue so I’m glad you do not treat it as such. Absolutely sucks you got lied to though. Doesn’t really help the proship argument from their side to say the least :/
Can we please not go after dead dove do not eat, it’s a useful tag
I CLICKED THIS W OUT READING THE TITLE AND WAS JUMPSCARED SO BAD WHAT TH HELL
as a proshipper i js wanna say what proshipping and what being a proshipper actually means, it means not harassing someone over a fictional ship. basically to sum it up its like "okay, i don't agree with your ship, but i'm not gonna harass you for it because you don't deserve that" its has nothing to do with zoo, peds, or incest (it can depending on the situation, but generally speaking its not abt that) js thought i'd clear that up
Bruh... there's a trend on TH-cam of people fixing this person's art and the person who made the art they're fixing ship William and Elizabeth from FNAF ( YES, A LITERALLY FATHER AND DAUGHTER! ) It's really gross because they're both related and one is a kid and one is an adult...
And that's not even the worst part 💀 the artist aged Elizabeth down 4 years Elizabeth is 8 years old do the math 8 - 4 =4 🧍 in all of those drawings Elizabeth is between the age of 4-6 years old 💀 honestly I don't care what people do with fictional characters but aging a character who is a child down and turning them into a toddler is mentally deranged 💀 and on top of that having her biological father and older brother molest her 🧍
Its a shame that the AJPW team will try to kick out the people who makes a noise about this. I still fear the safety of those kids even though I stopped playing the game (i think for now but idk) because i kinda grew out of it. I'm scared to show the gen alpha kids i meet the game if creeps are allowed the rome on it.
Uh oh. . . Proshipping
KIJJIKON! this has nothing to do with this video.But I just wanna say there's a game called like I think it was dash tag and it's made by wild works and I can't believe it. It was shutdown 5 yrs ago and it's up again, could you do a video on it?
Maybe. I was considering it but it seems like alot of creators have already covered it. I have been a bit busy with work unfortunately so I was late to the party
Oh, thank you!
This is an extremely good video, puts into words what I've been thinking.
0:57 SO MANY ART OF MR STINKY!
( lol its a joke me and my friends on aj have to call vox stinky because we pretend he hacks us )
Thank you for this video and talking about this topic, I relate a lot to what you said ♥
Ngl actually rly good video, not alot for me to add just wanted to leave a comment saying you made a great vid on this 👍
Why do I find the Melted Kijjikon Otter kind of funny that was shown at the end of the video?
2:36 I'm sorry but what's happening with that jamaaliday triple tail-
Me when sam is using logical fallacy terms -> *happy*
okay but the endig kijjikon kinda scared me tbh
I do agree with a lot that you said except for when you said it’s ok for people to proship as a cope. I do know that people can do that but I don’t think that it is something that they should do. I don’t think it’s a good idea for people to think that it is a good thing, an ok thing to do. I hope that makes sense. Thank you for speaking out about this. Not many would. ❤
I think it’s a lot more complex than simply ‘it’s okay to proship.’ I probably could have spoken on that a lot more but the video was already very long. My point was meant to be more so ‘if it does genuinely help you, then it’s hard for me to judge given I haven’t been there’ and of course I would ALWAYS suggest you seek a therapist, and take their advice. They would know far better than I.
@@kijjikonOk understood. Thank you for clarifying. ❤
@@mochabellamy2216Of course! I am sorry it wasn’t clear in the video itself, and thank you for calling that fact out!
@@kijjikonI really appreciate you trying to protect the community, honestly it took me a bit to get the courage to say something since I got a lot of backlash from comments last time.
(It was about simple internet safety but I guess no one cares about safety these days) Thank you for putting a lot of time and effort into informing the community. Also do you still have the Jam double I gave you? I’m just curious I don’t care what you do with it. lol
I think I still have it but I couldn’t tell you for sure, since tbh I use the same 3 outfits all the time 😅
this is,, an exceptionally weird topic for an animal jam channel but at the end of the day kids should know this is a problem too.
i want to point out that its not just kids "stumbling across" pro-ship its often adults taking advantage of them and showing it to them directly. they like being sneaky about it like at first just sending a photo of a sfw drawing of the ship and saying "haha me n you" and it can eventually devolve into straight up nsfw.
proship is used by minors too, minors do make proship content most of the time because they have been coerced into it and now see it as normal or have developed a k/nk for it.
predators do target mentally ill/at risk people too, minor or otherwise you can still groom an adult, those mostly being disabled, being an adult doesnt automatically mean you know everything especially if you are from a disfunctional household where maybe you werent taught everything you were supposed to in a way you could understand.
proship also severely intertwined with nsfw and a child cant meaningly tell the difference between something they shouldnt be looking at because its for "adults" and something thats morally reprehensive. for years i couldnt see necrop###a as wrong because i was exposed to it way too young and was hiding it from my parents because it was p*rn not realising that it was so much worse than that.
a proshipper can be a kid who is severely mentally ill and pushing them out of every circle because they draw that could just further push them back into their abusers.
you also cannot just post proship without somebody being affected by it. especially building a community on "fictional only" proship content you can never guarantee that you arent just giving a groomer more material to further help normalize a horrible relationship because "hey look, there are plently of people online who think the same". this also bleeds into zoop*ilia, people CAN convince themselves that they dont need to get help for their harmful paraphilias because there is a whole community of people telling them that its ok and completely normal and that their pet is "consenting" if they watch out for the following signs. zoo*iles are also starting to co-opt therians and alterhumanity as a way to justify their sick urges and its absolutely disgusting. it cant be an "intrusive thought" if youre not utterly disgusted by it and actually just fantasize about it.
also im extremely cautious around anybody who is "proship" but "doesnt actually ship anything illegal" because by definition you are giving predators a free pass and not just "dont care" but active support it by identifying yourself with that label. "not caring about others ships" is the most tame way of describing it and i really think that somebody would do more research about a label before identifying themselves with it.
help not me thinking proshipping was like #jisteria #wisparri anyways i ship kwiefaliciousmama with horsemeet
LMAOOO I MEAN TECHNICALLY SINCE ITSSHIPPING REAL PEOPLE MAYBE IT IS??
@@kijjikon i proship jisteria
I draw or play with ai and write privately. I keep my ships and stuff to myself. I was 18 and trying to understand things. people had made it so I wouldn't understand. I talked to cops and they laughed at me. it wasn't till I was 20 did I fully understand. it wasn't till 21 did I feel safe about my bounderies and saying no. I'm now 24 and still have hard time telling people no but I'm more able to firmly say no.
22:15 is so informal thank you (/J /J)
That part still makes me want to die :3
The music you used in this video was beautiful, I don't suppose theres a playlist somewhere to listen to these? Great video very informative. Had no idea what a proshipper was.
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WOW!!! That was fast!!! Thank you Kijjikon
I just ship what I want and mess around with interesting dynamics, I shipped things like billdip, bullford, ect when I was really young, I only started labeling myself as a proshipper when I was harassed for not putting it in my bio, both proship and antiship have bad people in their community, I feel like many proshippers take it to far when they mix with pro para spaces and it stops being about fiction, and antis harass and break their own do not interacts
I think of the proshippers who know the line between fiction and reality, post that stuff with their tags, not causing problems, as actual proshippers, I don’t like people in this community who give antis the impression that all of us are preds, pro para, prosh, ect
Many people with already problomatic beliefs cling to the proship community because they see it’s as a way to be as problomatic as they want without judgement
I write dark fiction, because those dynamics are interesting to me, and help me feel better about my own experiences
of course fiction effects reality because if it didnt the whole concept of propaganda wouldnt exist but i also belive that theres a place for this sort of art in the world and that the people who like it have the right to make it because of freedom of expression even if i dont like it nor most people, you cant really change peoples minds and force them to stop through the internet
Im a proshipper, but i keep it in 18+ spaces, proshippers who involve their ships in animal jam (or other kids games) are disgusting because it can lead children into researching what it is. Ship and let ship in adult spaces, not animal jam.
good video!! I do think that proshipping is morally wrong and I identify as an anti, but I would never send death threats or harass them. I just block and move on. they probably don't want to see me on their fyp, and I don't want to see them on mine!
Off topic, but 1:10 is so real. Why ship characters when you can do it with your own?
But on topic, i see pro shipping as a…weird thing. But I’m not gonna threaten and send death threats to these people.
also finchii is a friend of mine nice 2 see them
we love finchii in this household
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!
I’m not done watching the video but here is a fact if not mentioned in the video:
Conshippers ship ships, and proshipping supports all ships. In my opinion- both of them are very bad
Honestly I don’t like shipping anyone or anything because I just feel disrespectful so I usually stop myself from thinking about it if I think about that stuff (idk if I’ve said this before but I forget) anyways I totally agree that threatening and doxxing people doesn’t help or is good for bad people or anything else but I don’t support any pedophilia or zoophilia and other philia’s or anything else that’s bad
this video speaks my exact thoughs
For my take
- Warning for swearing, this is sensitive topic to me -
TL;DR - its fine as long as its not shared or posted ANYWHERE. do what you will but the only way to ensure its not going to effect anyone, just dont post it
I've said it before and I'll say it again, anyone using "its just fiction" as an excuse clearly is so horribly blind to their own doing that they dont relize how blady this shit chan affect people. it effected me when I was *10*. fucking 10 and it was disgusting Proshipping content that make me thing Insest and p3do ways of thinking and other vile shit was okay. I thought it was okay to WANT to be a victim. it ruined my childhood and it got so bad that im now *hypersexual*. before you ask, it wasnt censored, it wasnt given a disclamer, it wasnt given any sort of filter, it was just *there*
Fiction Isnt JUST fiction, it can effect reality. and this shit needs to be de-normalized and just stopped outright
It IS real. It can and WILL hurt people
do I think I fall under "anti-shipper"? no. I ship cannon x cannon and oc x cannon all the time, i dont care what people say about my ships, but I dont ship anything ILLIGAL/problematic/toxic. I dont think we should allow illigal ships to be so open and so normalized, romanticized actually. restricting it to 18+ spaces dont typically stay in 18+ spaces. I mean you can look anything up rn anywhere and have a 50% chance of finding p0rn, lets be honest
as a coping mechanism? sure. maybe. but KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. dont share it around becasue then it goes right back to square one, it can start another cycle to be honest, because things shared around dont typically stay in that one area.
Proshipping is disgusting, I hate proshippers, I can't believe it is in the aj community, I am in the art and aj community, there are lots of nasty proshippers in the art community.... Also, good that you put the S/A resource help in the description, so people that have had that happen can get help 💖 (Dude, I Love that hazbin hotel art in your den-)
Of course. I may not be the most knowledgeable person out there but if I can provide even surface level resources for people I shall!! Also that’s my friend finchiis den!!
haha yep! that was my den! also agree!
I honestly hate proshippers with all my heart.
I can’t stand them and I can’t help but to mock and try to hurt them because it just feels good to do. I always thought that I would never do this to anyone, but when I first encountered a proshipper I actually lost it and I legitimately couldn’t control myself. It’s like I was word vomiting every insult I’ve ever heard in an attempt to hurt them as much as possible, insulting their family, their appearance, their hobbies, literally everything.
I thought “how dare they take something I experienced and turn it into this? What’s wrong with you?”
For years I felt this way and I still do, I’m so unbelievably hateful it’s almost a burning passion.
I am hurt from how this is being so joyfully put online by such young children and creepy adults, I wish they’d just keep it to themselves.
I’ve gone through so much trauma that has completely ruined my life and has left me disabled and so Proshipping feels mocking like someone is saying that what happened to me didn’t matter because it was “sexy” or “hot.” It’s not. I am in so much fucking pain every single day of my life.
Proshipping will never be a valid coping mechanism in my eyes.
Something YOU experienced? The person doing it could have went through it do, many do, I have, multible times
You can be mad but you going out of your way to hurt someone who could also be young is terrible, I suggest getting therapy if you can’t help but hurt people you disagree with
People experience the effects of sa differently, putting fiction aside many people get knks from their trauma, are they finding YOUR experience hot? NO defintly not
@@ConfettieShippss I’m not saying that.
I want them to keep it to themselves. People don’t go out and express their kinks like that, it’s fucking disgusting.
Everyone has kinks, it’s normal and it’s human, but that’s something you keep between yourself, and whatever partner you have, not to share on the internet for hundreds if not thousands of people to see.
Besides that, even if it is fiction, it normalizes the idea of those kinds of things. There is never any reason why someone should post that online for other people to see. If I need a therapist, then these people need a fucking lobotomy.
@@ConfettieShippss And quite honestly I don’t care if I hurt them. Humiliation is a part of life and they’ll be thankful for it when they’re older. Their behavior is not only unacceptable, but disrespectful, disgusting, and mocking. I couldn’t care less if someone is hurt by something I say.
@@ConfettieShippssMy other message has been deleted by TH-cam, but what I had said originally was:
I'm not saying that.
I want them to keep it to themselves.
People don't go out and express their knks like that, it's fucking disgusting.
Everyone has knks, it's normal and it's human, but that's something you keep between yourself, and whatever partner you have, not to share on the internet for hundreds if not thousands of people to see.
Besides that, even if it is fiction, it normalizes the idea of those kinds of things. There is never any reason why someone should post that online for other people to see. If I need a therapist, then these people need a fucking lobotomy.
Personally I think shipping lugi and mario is weird, although I dont judge if other ppl do. Again im not supporting it, but whatever floats your boat yk? I never rlly shipped anyone in the mario fandom tbh, I only played that game a little bit a long time ago. All I really know about it is oh you gotta save the princess, although my version of Mario is tis dumb cross eyed plumber whose just stupid and rude and kills everyone near him (accidentally/jokingly) thanks to smg4, although Ik thats not how the real mario is thats how I view him. So theres some characters I ship him with aka Meggy, but I dont rlly ship them wholeheartedly in a sense.
Hay kijjiko u traded my sister her user Amundsonsay and she does not know why and she was wondering if you can retrace her and finish what u was saying
I don’t remember??
I shipped catnap and my oc
ewww rev.. not the loli guy. hes dev the weird side
3:29
AS A MAJOR HUNTLOW STAN AND HAS HUNTER AND WILLOW AS MY COMFORT SHIP YOU ARE GLADLY IN DNI :) + TOO BAD ITS ALREADY CANNON DANA TERRACES FACE/REACTION ON THAT Q&A RIGHT AFTER SEASON 2 ENDED
This Is also what pisses me off about proshippers, specifically in The Owl House fandom (CoUgH c0uGh "LuNTeR" c0uGh CoUgH, LITTERALLY YOU DONT HAVE TO BE BLOOD RELATED TO BE SIBLINGS/TO HAVE A SIBLING LIKE BOND AND IT WAS LITERALLY IMPLIED IN THE SHOW AND ITS JUST FLIPPIN WEIRD ASF TO SHIP THEM, NOT TO MENTION LUZ IS 14 AND HUNTER IS 16 💀🤤)
Overall I 100000000% agree with this Kijji!!!
Hi!
I got here early
good video!! i do think that this requires nuance, more than people give, but i dont really agree with everything
the fact that fiction doesnt effect reality, including actual adults, has been disproven over and over again (many examples, such as jaws kickstarting the widespread fear of sharks and the killing of many out of fear, a very racist movie i refuse to name causing a lot of normalization of racism way back when, bugs bunny causing people to think that carrots are a good sustainable food for rabbits, and more), which is why i think proshipping in 18+ spaces is highly disturbing and should not exist and should be condemned. not even just around minors, just in general. if youre a fullgrown adult and indulge in proship content it usually comes from desires they have themselves unlike traumatized minors creating it to cope with things that happened to them. adults are harder to influence than minors, you are correct, but they can still be influenced to think that people might actually accept these desires and not rightfully condemn them for it (like the people causing active harm that you mentioned. they usually go hand in hand if done by an adult, even if they say that they have no desire for things in real life they still indulge in these desires in fiction, obviously you can depict dark topics in fiction like the things proshippers depict but in a TASTEFUL manner that isnt normalized or romanticized like proship content). no matter what, even if an only 18+ space, it still normalizes these ideas in the minds of the people consuming and creating it and often creates a space for actual predators to indulge in content that reflects their genuine desires, you can never tell on the internet and its too great of a risk for people to post this sort of content, even in adult spaces only. tldr even if its fiction and done in 18+ spaces usually(NOT ALWAYS! some people genuinely dont, but it is INCREDIBLY common.) these things do come from a place of innermost desire of the people creating it and creates a space for pedophiles and other sorts of predators to consume content of this sort! even if it doesnt come from the desire of the person creating it, it still creates content for these people to consume and normalizes it in general.
i do heavily agree that nuance is required when it comes to minors creating proship content though, very much so, as its either a coping mechanism or something the minor was likely groomed into making by adults or a bad online environment. i think that they shouldnt be harassed at all and instead should be encouraged to either stop creating this content if its hurting them and normalizing things in their head or keep it very very private as it puts them at major risk for further manipulation until they have a different way to cope.
this is all coming from someone who LOVES fiction that explores dark topics and am a s/a survivor myself, i think its okay to write these things in a tasteful manner, but no matter what, if it romanticizes and normalizes the subject, especially to minors, it should be condemned. again very good video! this definitely isnt a black and white topic when it comes to minors consuming and creating this content
im very not fond of proshipping myself if it wasnt obvious and think its very dangerous and find a lot of them to be generally very nasty towards you if you find discomfort in the subjects they indulge in or refuse to interact with them (often being deemed a "puritan" and such) and as said i think it normalizes spaces for dangerous people even if its deemed as "only fiction" and such
but yeah! dont want this to be any longer but thats my input
imagining two characters in an abusive relationship, wondering how it would work, using it as character building and lore: 👍
enjoying the dynamic and finding it interesting how the characters might work together in a relationship: 👍
normalising the abuse, thinking it’s super romantic, ect: 🙁☹️
(my opinion bbbbhhhfjggkgkvk, i feel like blanket statement ‘shipping abuse is bad’, ‘shipping toxic is bad’ is not seeing the nuance. the proship discourse is just very chronically online tbh)
I may be coming up proshipper but I’m just gonna keep it to myself since people really don’t like weird ass stuff on the Internet though I hate it when they ship like parent and child it’s just disgusting like it’s your child you do not f🦆🦆 kiss and f4#%your child- but I don’t plan on it I just might but if I do oh well, I might stop after a while bc my house burned down in February 2023, and I just can’t get over it though. I have a new house I can’t get over the feeling of all my animals may be dying. That’s why I might become a pro shipper and I’ve been groomed many many times
as a person who has been sa, i dislike pro-shipping because it just makes me really uncomfortable. 🫶🏻♥️
Valid!!!