If you're using an external keyboard to send notes to digitone/digitakt in this setup, make sure you turn on receive notes on digitone and only use triggless triggers on digitakt when sending lfo triggers, that way it doesn't send notes to the digitone from the digitakt sequence.
A long time ago when I got my Digitone, I remember seeing the modulation matrix, not getting it, and moving on. Never revisited it after getting my Digitakt, but now I will!! This video was so eye opening
Thanks for doing this video Dave! I've just altered my setup to match and instantly it has gelled into a really creative way of using these two devices together. Thank you! I've even managed to get my Keystep rigged up into the setup to send notes to the DN. Really pleased with the setup and tips now at my disposal.
Nice one. Thank you. Another way to get more lfos and macro automation to the digitone ore syntakt or other elektron boxes. Digitakt is so universal usefully
Great video Dave. I just wanted to add that this should work also for Analog Rytm owners, as there is an Aftertouch modulation destination. And in general with any other instruments that implements those modulations - they’re midi standard! Cheers!
Jup works for any elektron with the mod matrixes. It works for any synth with the ability to assign multiple destinations to modwheel etc. :) Overlooked functionality and very powerful
Impressive! I was imagining your side chain effect could be varied by changing the trig lengths. Longer trigs would exaggerate the pumping effect and add additional rhythmic feel.? Also as someone mentioned “trigless” steps. I think they should call them “noteless” trigs.
Thanks ! Nope that doesn’t work as the trigs are just triggering the lfo. But you can of course parameter lock different speeds, depths, waveforms etc on each trig or in between trigs etc. To create all kinds of funky rhythms. The yellow trigs are actually called ‘trig locks’ :). In octatrack there’s also a type of trig that is called a trigless trig which is why some people refer to the yellow trigs like that.
Hi Dave another great video that is very useful for me. I wanted to know if there is a way that when I change the pattern on the digitakt it also changes the pattern on the digitone. For example, when I go from pattern 1 to 9 on the digitakt, the digitone will do the same without having to change it on the digitione.
You can use program changes for this :). Set this up in midi config. Turn on program changes. Another way is to use midi tracks on DT On the src page you will see controls to specify which pattern or preset you want to change another synth to. I have a video on my channel explaining this called midi madness. Cheers :)
Cool idea, I've got a few questions though: Firstly, why don't you modulate the Amp directly with the CC value? It is the same one across all patterns, you would just need to remember one CC and it frees up space for one macro to control your sound. Secondly, why don't you send mutes from DT to Digitone? That way you could mute and unmute all 12 Tracks from the DT. Wouldn't that be more useful? Great video, thanks for the information. The sidschain idea is great.
That is indeed a possibility. But sometimes I rather use the side chaining on base of the base/width filter. Sometimes on overdrive etc. Plus it's also pretty neat to add other destinations to that movement. Nobody stopping anybody from still adding cc control to the mix though :) The muting from DT doesn't seem very convenient to me. I can just as easily mute on the DN itself. They are right next to each other. It's also nicer to be able to mute the modulations or midi track parameter locks without also muting the channel on the DN. Hope this helped why I chose this route :)
Unfortunately not. There's no internal midi routing and no midi mod matrixes like velocity mod. On the digitone you can use the velocity mod matrix to use velocity parameter locking for interesting results.
Really interesting video :) One question : as you have one knob on the Digitakt to control 4 parameters on the Digitone, is it possible to map this knob to an external controler?
Yeah that's possible but in that case you might as well connect the midi controller directly to Digitone to control those mod matrixes. If the midi controller allows custom mappings :)
Various ways. I think I'd try to narrow it down to a few tracks that you want to use this workflow on so that it stays manageable. You could also use the 4 midi tracks on DN to do this trick on 4 syntakt tracks for example :) best to experiment and see what you need
anyone experiencing an issue when you press stop twice on digitakt the lfo triggers no longer affect the digitone aftertouch level when applying this sidechain effect?
Make sure the channel set on the DT midi track corresponds with the midi channel set for the track on the DN in midi port config. You're now sending PB to the midi channel that's set as the autochannel. Try turning autochannel to off in the DN midi config :)
Yet another revelation. Can’t you use only one MIDI track (track A) to have both macro control via “modulation wheel” and sudo side chaining via MIDI LFO? That way, you could keep DT MIDI track A entirely for DN track 1, DT MIDI track B entirely for DN track 2, and so on… Or am I missing something? Why do you use separate MIDI tracks for each task? Cheers and Groetjes vanuit Duitsland!
That is certainly a possibility! :). But it's actually quite nice to add more destinations to that "sidechaining". It's also nice to use the base of the base / width filter in stead of volume automation, or both, etc. Plus, it's great to have the option of multiple extra lfo's for one track. The sidechaining is just one aspect of this workflow. The main thing is using lfo's to modulate one of the mod matrixes:)
so if I get this right... to get the SC trick going on the 4 tracks, you need to configure 4 tracks on the digitakt from 1,...4. If I didn't care about modulating the other params on the digitone, would it be possible to have all 4 Digitone tracks listening to the same midi channel so I only have to configure one track for SC in the Digitakt?
I like this setup but I can't for the life in me understand how I would connect my MIDI keyboard in this setup? If I plugin the keyboard in to Digitakt it won't send note to the Digitones due to Receive notes settings has been turned off on Digitone. If I turn on Receive notes on Digitones then you can not use the ducking function with Digitakt LFO without triggering a sound...???
In that case use lock trigs (yellow) :). Better to use those anyway but since I don’t sequence the DN from the DT I just ended up always using normal trigs since it’s a bit quicker to input. With lock trigs, make sure LFO.T is locked to ON to each of them on the TRiG page.
Ohhh Thank you I thought I hade that trigger on but when you yellow trigger you have to hold all yellow trigger down and they are turned LFO.T off for some reason so you have to manually fix that per trigger. Thank you so much for your reply! Happy Eastern!
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Just wired my DN + DT together for the first rime earlier today. Definitely learned a few tips and tricks here. Thanks for the video!
If you're using an external keyboard to send notes to digitone/digitakt in this setup, make sure you turn on receive notes on digitone and only use triggless triggers on digitakt when sending lfo triggers, that way it doesn't send notes to the digitone from the digitakt sequence.
wow i thought indiscovered already all possibilites of rhis duo but never thought about this.. very cool concept/idea !!! Thanks !!!
Really smart workflow. Thanks for sharing Dave. 👌
A long time ago when I got my Digitone, I remember seeing the modulation matrix, not getting it, and moving on. Never revisited it after getting my Digitakt, but now I will!! This video was so eye opening
Great to hear Noah! Thanks for checking out the video
This is so brilliant and so effective. Great trick. I always wanted them to work together more easily. Thanks
Enjoy and thanks for watching :)
Thanks for doing this video Dave! I've just altered my setup to match and instantly it has gelled into a really creative way of using these two devices together. Thank you! I've even managed to get my Keystep rigged up into the setup to send notes to the DN. Really pleased with the setup and tips now at my disposal.
That's really awesome to hear :)
Very useful, thx bro! 😎 Got this combo for a while now but never realized how effective this actually can be!
Nice one Dave! Thanks for playing at The KitchenClub
Thanks for having me!
Thanks mate, useful stuff! I had forgotten that the DN had that modulation matrix/macro controller thing.
Nice one. Thank you. Another way to get more lfos and macro automation to the digitone ore syntakt or other elektron boxes. Digitakt is so universal usefully
I'd love to hear more about how you use the macro control in your live sets!
Really enjoying your Digitone course! Would love a series on approaching arrangement/live performance.
Thank you!
That's on the road map for sure. Also starting a Patreon this year where I'll do exclusive live streams with those main subjects :)
Great Idea Dave, thank you once again :)
Great video Dave. I just wanted to add that this should work also for Analog Rytm owners, as there is an Aftertouch modulation destination. And in general with any other instruments that implements those modulations - they’re midi standard!
Cheers!
Jup works for any elektron with the mod matrixes. It works for any synth with the ability to assign multiple destinations to modwheel etc. :) Overlooked functionality and very powerful
Excellent just what I was looking for 👍🏻
Never thought of doing this!
Wow, great tips, and very timely; getting a DN next month!
Ohh wonderful. You'll love it :)
Love the macro control 😎
So much handy thks for sharing!!!!
🎉🎉🎉
This is AWEEEESOOOOOMEEEEE
Haha yeah it's great fun :)
Top good !
Impressive! I was imagining your side chain effect could be varied by changing the trig lengths. Longer trigs would exaggerate the pumping effect and add additional rhythmic feel.?
Also as someone mentioned “trigless” steps. I think they should call them “noteless” trigs.
Thanks ! Nope that doesn’t work as the trigs are just triggering the lfo. But you can of course parameter lock different speeds, depths, waveforms etc on each trig or in between trigs etc. To create all kinds of funky rhythms.
The yellow trigs are actually called ‘trig locks’ :). In octatrack there’s also a type of trig that is called a trigless trig which is why some people refer to the yellow trigs like that.
i mapped a LCXL to my Octatrack if i were to use either of these, would def think about mapping another scene to the LCXL
Hi Dave another great video that is very useful for me. I wanted to know if there is a way that when I change the pattern on the digitakt it also changes the pattern on the digitone.
For example, when I go from pattern 1 to 9 on the digitakt, the digitone will do the same without having to change it on the digitione.
You can use program changes for this :). Set this up in midi config. Turn on program changes. Another way is to use midi tracks on DT On the src page you will see controls to specify which pattern or preset you want to change another synth to. I have a video on my channel explaining this called midi madness. Cheers :)
Cool idea, I've got a few questions though:
Firstly, why don't you modulate the Amp directly with the CC value? It is the same one across all patterns, you would just need to remember one CC and it frees up space for one macro to control your sound.
Secondly, why don't you send mutes from DT to Digitone? That way you could mute and unmute all 12 Tracks from the DT. Wouldn't that be more useful?
Great video, thanks for the information. The sidschain idea is great.
That is indeed a possibility. But sometimes I rather use the side chaining on base of the base/width filter. Sometimes on overdrive etc. Plus it's also pretty neat to add other destinations to that movement. Nobody stopping anybody from still adding cc control to the mix though :)
The muting from DT doesn't seem very convenient to me. I can just as easily mute on the DN itself. They are right next to each other. It's also nicer to be able to mute the modulations or midi track parameter locks without also muting the channel on the DN.
Hope this helped why I chose this route :)
@@Davemech thanks, this helped my understanding. I think, at some point, it is also a matter of preference and use case.
@@enemoy2650 definitely:)
Nice. Can you do the same trick with midi from Digitakt to same Digitakt without a midi loopback cable.
Unfortunately not. There's no internal midi routing and no midi mod matrixes like velocity mod. On the digitone you can use the velocity mod matrix to use velocity parameter locking for interesting results.
Really interesting video :) One question : as you have one knob on the Digitakt to control 4 parameters on the Digitone, is it possible to map this knob to an external controler?
Yeah that's possible but in that case you might as well connect the midi controller directly to Digitone to control those mod matrixes. If the midi controller allows custom mappings :)
Great thanks for this 🙌💥...what would be the best setup if you add the Syntakt?
Various ways. I think I'd try to narrow it down to a few tracks that you want to use this workflow on so that it stays manageable. You could also use the 4 midi tracks on DN to do this trick on 4 syntakt tracks for example :) best to experiment and see what you need
@@Davemech Thanks Dave - it 's going to be a fantastic adventure
anyone experiencing an issue when you press stop twice on digitakt the lfo triggers no longer affect the digitone aftertouch level when applying this sidechain effect?
Dave thanks for sharing the knowledge.
I set the DT PB to control DN but it only works when I’m on that particular track on DN…any ideas?
Make sure the channel set on the DT midi track corresponds with the midi channel set for the track on the DN in midi port config. You're now sending PB to the midi channel that's set as the autochannel. Try turning autochannel to off in the DN midi config :)
@@Davemech thanks a lot Dave🫶
So I assume you could use this method and the Midi loop trick on individual machines as well?
Yeap!
@@Davemech Awesome
Yet another revelation.
Can’t you use only one MIDI track (track A) to have both macro control via “modulation wheel” and sudo side chaining via MIDI LFO?
That way, you could keep DT MIDI track A entirely for DN track 1, DT MIDI track B entirely for DN track 2, and so on…
Or am I missing something? Why do you use separate MIDI tracks for each task?
Cheers and Groetjes vanuit Duitsland!
That is certainly a possibility! :). But it's actually quite nice to add more destinations to that "sidechaining". It's also nice to use the base of the base / width filter in stead of volume automation, or both, etc. Plus, it's great to have the option of multiple extra lfo's for one track. The sidechaining is just one aspect of this workflow. The main thing is using lfo's to modulate one of the mod matrixes:)
so if I get this right... to get the SC trick going on the 4 tracks, you need to configure 4 tracks on the digitakt from 1,...4. If I didn't care about modulating the other params on the digitone, would it be possible to have all 4 Digitone tracks listening to the same midi channel so I only have to configure one track for SC in the Digitakt?
Jup!
I like this setup but I can't for the life in me understand how I would connect my MIDI keyboard in this setup? If I plugin the keyboard in to Digitakt it won't send note to the Digitones due to Receive notes settings has been turned off on Digitone. If I turn on Receive notes on Digitones then you can not use the ducking function with Digitakt LFO without triggering a sound...???
In that case use lock trigs (yellow) :). Better to use those anyway but since I don’t sequence the DN from the DT I just ended up always using normal trigs since it’s a bit quicker to input. With lock trigs, make sure LFO.T is locked to ON to each of them on the TRiG page.
Ohhh Thank you I thought I hade that trigger on but when you yellow trigger you have to hold all yellow trigger down and they are turned LFO.T off for some reason so you have to manually fix that per trigger.
Thank you so much for your reply! Happy Eastern!
@@dennyhulten8159 You too :)
7.18 what midi channels need to be turned off.
The midi control of the midi tracks. Unless you want to use that. Basically I turn off any midi setting that I don’t use if possible.
Why do people pronounce it “diggi”?
Elektron is Swedish and Digitakt is pronounced like that :)
wow i thought indiscovered already all possibilites of rhis duo but never thought about this.. very cool concept/idea !!! Thanks !!!
Nice! Enjoy :)