USS Sangamon - Guide 279
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- The Sangamon class, escort carriers of the United States Navy, are today's subject.
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Would you ever work as a historic advisor for a movie or TV series and if so what would be your terms to work as one?
Drach the USS Sullivans needs help right now.
@@winstonviceroy6125 He just did a video on the Battleship NJ youtube channel providing update and info for contributing
did the Dive Bomber pilots kept their cockpits opened when they are diving towards the target? I know the Pacific is hot af so they have to left their cockpits open, both in normal flights and combat but do they left it open while dive bombing?
@@winstonviceroy6125 what they really need, is for Charlton Heston to comeback and do his Moses thing on Lake Erie! 🙄
Available ship hull: Exist
US Navy: _I'll make an escort carrier out of you._
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@@Aelxi Went back to my og fave
Let's get down to business...
@@AnonNomad To defeat the Hun
(Yes that's what the Germans were called in both wars)
Including two paddle steamers…
My father (Bergstrom) served as a rear gunner on the USS Sangamon, survived the kamikaze hit that killed so many of his friends, and was fortunate enough to eventually come home and start his own family. He died in 1996. I appreciated seeing this. Thank you!
My grandfather served with your father as the Sangamon's radioman (Victor LaBoissonniere). Sadly passed away three years ago.
@@VeraceSzK I'm sorry to hear that. I wish I could ask my father what he remembers about your grandfather. It was a relatively small ship so I like to think they knew each other well. Thank you for posting.
My grandfather served w/ your father. He was an aircraft mechanic. I remember a small piece of that kamikaze plane he brought home. He passed in 2001. That generation went through quite a bit.
Talking about fleet oiler conversions how about the USS Chiwawa. It started life as a T3-S-A1 oiler and served in all oceans during WW2. Today it's bow and stern are still plying the Great Lakes as the Lee Tregurtha, a 826 foot bulk carrier that proudly displays its WW2 battle ribbons on the pilot house.
God tier lmao, did she get chopped amidship and lengthened to become the Lee Tregurtha?
@@mrsteamie4196 They kept the bow and stern mounted engines and boilers and built a new hull between the two. The ship was lengthened twice…
I’ve seen it, one of my favorite lakers. It’s namesake’s husband ship Paul R Tregurtha is the largest ship on the Lakes. Always neat to see the two passing along the St Claire river
@@mrsteamie4196 In addition to being lengthened twice, she has also been widened, and deepened.
Her original strem propulsion was replaced with Diesel circa 2015.
All this makes her the "most altered" ship on the Great Lakes. Her aft deck house area is the most recognizable to her original design, aside from her bow and stern of course.
Damn you beat me to the suggestion
My dad served on USS Suwannee CVE 27. I appreciate your covering this class of carriers. I feel that they are under appreciated for their war effort and service. Someone asked if they were not just as valuable as oilers? My dad explained to me that the U. S. navy was in dire times for carriers early in the war and these escorts filled the shoes of the main carriers until more could be built. The Suwannee earned 14 battle stars and 9 ribbons. She took two kamikaze hits at Leyte and she participated in almost every amphibious landing in the pacific. Now combine that with her three sisters and you can see their contribution to the war was great, and most people have never heard of them. Just saying, proud of my dads service.
You have to understand that in late 1942, the Allies had two carriers, Enterprise and Long Island (the later with unreliable engines and reduced to being an aircraft ferry) between the east coast of Africa and west coast of the Americas. That's the reason the Sangamons were pressed into service as ersatz fleet carriers. BTW, the Sangamons were bigger than the ship my dad served on, the San Jacinto - a light (fleet) carrier. The USN rated them as the most battle-worthy of all the CVE's until the Commencement Bay class entered service. These were based on the Sangamons, but built as carriers from the start. A comparison
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@@colbeausabre8842 The Enterprise and the Saratoga were a tag-team between being the only carrier and being in the shop for repair...
@@gregorywright4918 November 1942.
Saratoga: I’m back. So what did I miss?More to the point, what happened to you?
a very battered Enterprise: About that….
When you have to eat into your oilers to get more escort carriers, you either have too many oilers(unthinkable) or you are really that bad off.
It's a hybrid - The Carrier/Oiler.
@@Alobo075 CVE/AO
A one month turn around to get them converted was pretty impressive as well. Just cleaning out the old bunker fuel tanks so they wouldn't be a fire hazard while they worked must taken a week or more.
@@copter2000 AOVE*
@@silverjohn6037 I'm pretty sure you misheard him. They started conversion in Feb/March 42 and we're completed within a month if each other in Aug/Sept 42. Meaning it took 6 months to convert them.
The escort carriers of Britain and the USN are under-appreciated. Convoy escort was not their only function. Post WW2 the larger escort carriers were evaluated as sea control ships and as helicopter carrier in amphibious invasion fleets.
Well, except for the Taffy's......
@@scottgiles7546 If you are talking about Taffy 3 at the Battle Off Samar, the seven escort carriers' air groups were quite useful in sending the world's largest battleship fleeing battle--along with the Seven Dwarves warships, three destroyers and four destroyer escorts. I wonder how much face the Imperial Japanese Navy lost in that battle.
It's a pity that these ships weren't sold to countries that could have used them: Australia, Philippines, Taiwan to name a few. They would have made excellent helicopter carriers and mother ships for frigate deployments. And these ships were the prototypes of whole classes of large escorts carriers.
@@joemaloney1019 Those nations didn't have the money for those unwanted escort carriers. They were offered them.
@@joemaloney1019 The reason they were not sold was because they allies had a surplus of much better classes of carriers by the end of the war so smaller allied nations received much larger and better classes of carriers instead of converted escort carriers. Canada, Australia and Argentina got Majestic Light Carriers while Brazil got a Colossus Light Carrier. Both classes an significant improvement over the Sangamon class or even the later Casablanca class escort carrier.
My grandfather did a stint as the Commander of the Santee in the Pacific
Thanks for the post 😊
My Uncle served on the Santee as an F6F Hellcat pilot during WWII. Until I read the above post I was wondering about that because of the deck length on these escort carriers. He passed away 4 years ago.
@@wayned1807 my condolences
My grandfather passed in 1969
@@wayned1807 my grandfather started out as a pilot
I understand from my mom that his group was the last PBYs (?) that got out of the Philippines as it fell to the Japanese
My Grandfather was a plane pusher on the Santee. I have been trying to get crew pictures for years, If you have any to share, it would be greatly appreciated.
@@CrazyPalidin57 wish I did, but I don’t 😢
So the Japanese aerial spotter who identified the Neosho as an aircraft carrier was partly correct, "it could have been one"
Well, he got the rough size right, but not the flat deck. Didn't he identify the destroyer as a cruiser too?
@@gregorywright4918 to be fair. Everything looks the same above a certain altitude. In shattered sword, a pilot from either Enterprise and Hornet thought Mogami and Mikuma were battleships.
One thing about the target selection process in the Pearl Harbor attack plan was the ignoring the logistical targets.
I was stationed on the USS Sacramento AOE 1 the fast combat support ship. Wee carried 9.9 million gallons of oil for the fleet. 2.2 million gallons of the fuel was JP 5 fuel for the air planes, for the carriers. This ship was the first of its kind. We also carried bombs and other weapons for the fleet. The ship was 796 feet long it also had a landing pad for the 2 sea stallion helicopters we had for freight distribution to and from other ships in our battle group. We usually escorted the USS Enterprise carrier. I was part of the 7th fleet, we were stationed in Bremerton WA, at the puget sound ship yard where the Sacramento was built. The second AOE ship in this class was the USS Camden AOE 2. I would like you to do a video on this ship the Sacramento AOE 1. Thanks for the great videos.
Given that 1950 is the cutoff date for the channel, I doubt AOE 1 will be shown. (She was laid down in 61)
Those were mid-1960s built ships, Drach tends to limit himself to ships built before 1950s.
I believe these 2 used engines salvaged from the USS Kentucky when she was scrapped.
I believe that Drach's cutoff is due to the classified nature of weapons systems performance. I doubt there is much classified about the performance of an oiler.
The last time I was this early for a Drach video, the 'Moskva' was still afloat.
What, too soon?
No way! She's on a special underwater operation!
@@Aelxi code name Operation Bubbles
@@HansLasser More like Operation Widowmaker Da!
there are some very cruel (funny?) memes going around about the Moskva !!
Every time I see a new video pop up I'm getting just as fast as a french DD
Every time I think I have heard of all the classes of WW2, USN aircraft carriers?
Another pops up...like this one.
Thanks for this.
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So happy to see you meet up in the States with the Staffs of preserved WW-2 era naval ships ! So important 👍
I'm happy to see that he is starting to cover the escort carriers. I'm curious how he'll do the Casablanca class. Will it be a story just on the carriers and then do one on Henry j Kaiser or a combination of both.
He'll do it well. That's how he'll do it.
The US could have won the war with nothing but escort carriers and their ; the numbers (of ships, crews, air squadrons, pilots) are mind-boggling. PLUS they were competent and motivated, a point illustrated by current events *cough Russia cough*
The Casablanca Class is my favorite class of warship ever. Slow, small, cheep, ubiquitous, and doing the heavy lifting behind the scenes (and occasionally on the front line as well).
@@keenanmcbreen7073 By extension I think he should do a story on Henry j Kaiser. What that guy did was amazing. When he told the Pentagon that he would build them 50 carriers in one year. He didn't even have any shipyards built yet. So in that one year he found the land to build his shipyards, built them, and then built 50 aircraft carriers with time to spare. And his other shipyards were building Liberty ships while he was doing all of this. That's crazy
I missed that you did this ship! My great uncle was the Squadron commander of VF-37 on the Sangamon during Leyte Gulf and Guam, receiving the silver star and distinguished flying cross for his actions at those battles, respectively. Lt. Commander Stanley Eugene Hindman. Sangamon was part of Taffy 1 which provided additional aircraft against Center Force’s attack on Taffy 3.
Sounds like this turned out to be a very useful conversion!
Have considered doing a story about the USS Wolverine & USS Sable? They were training air craft carriers. Both ships were converted merchant ships that trained USN pilots on learning to land on carriers. The ship only sailed on Lake Michigan.
More that few landing mishaps occurred. Several of the 150 crashed planes have been raised & been converted for airplane museums. Lake Michigan is a fresh water body & that helped preserve the planes. At Chicago’s very busy O’Hare Airport there is a lake salvaged Wildcat fighter. This is to honor Medal of Honor USN fighter pilot “Butch” O’Hare
Because of their size, the Sangamons use the F6F Hellcat. Also, during their early careers, they would also be the only escort carriers to use dive bombers. Specifically the SBD Dauntless.
Though I do need to make one correction. That the Bogue-Class Carriers Nassau and Barnes also operated 12-22 Hellcats during the invasion of the Gilbert Islands
I was wondering about that as soon as he said the deck was 60 feet longer. Thanks for the info.
@@stanstenson8168 no problem. Though i do need to make one correction. That the Bogue-Class Carriers Nassau and Barnes also operated 12-22 Hellcats during the invasion of the Gilbert Islands
The F6F was used on Kassan Bay and Tulagi during Operation Dragoon.
Well the type is making a come back as carriers for the VSTOL variant of the F35s. See Japan and Korea...
Wow, grew up in Central Illinois in Sangamon county, camped and hunted and hiked all around the Sangamon River and NEVER knew there was a USS Sangamon...this is awesome!!
USS Canopus AS 9, submarine tender. Has a helluva story in the Philippines in 1942. My uncle was taken prisoner, survived the Bataan Death March, only to die on a “Hell Ship” in Dec. 1944, getting med supplies for the prisoners in hold during an air raid. (No POW flag). They were liberated 2 weeks later. Awarded a Bronze Star posthumously the Japanese Sergeant Who bayoneted him to death was executed after being pointed out by my uncle’s shipmates.
36 seconds ago? eek!
Very interesting; I hadn't realised the Sangammons originated from commercial ships.
It's tea and Drachinifel time.
Escort carriers are underrated fr
Still today. If "the thing" in Ukraine escalates we will soon find out.
Great video; escort carriers do not get enough love.
My Grandfather, who luckily is still with us served on the Santee CVE-29. I would be extremely grateful if can share further content on that ship as there is very little out there.
A fast fleet oiler that is also capable of delivering new planes to the carrier sounds useful.
My father served on the USS Sangamon [former AO-28] during WW2. Ironically my first ship in the USN was the USS Sabine AO-25, an oiler that was not converted. I didn't realize that my ship was a sister ship of my fathers till many years later.
My favorite of the small US carriers! Thanks.
Never knew Hellcats wereoperated from CVE's. I had always read the F6F's were allocated to CV's and CVL's with the CVE's getting the FM-2 Wildcats cause they were smaller and lighter and were easier to use on CVE's.
Too bad CVE's didnt last longer, I always thought they would make for a interesting conversion to a modernized Harrier carrier.
Discounting the problems aging hulls give, they were also quite slow. These things go 18 knots, the Independence-class go 31, the Colossus and Majestic classes around 25. When you have as many extra carriers as the allies had for the post-war needs, they just didn't need the slower, older ones.
The USN didn't love the Harrier - that was a Marine jet, flying from amphib ships. Plus they did not get them till the '70s, by which time most of the Essexes were on their way out.
One of the more interesting stories is VOF-1. Operated F6F-5s off USS Tulagi during Anvil/Dragoon, intended to spot naval gunfire, but ended up defending against Luftwaffe torpedo attacks as well
VOS-7 is another interesting story.
The PTB figured out pretty quick that the Kingfishers and Seagulls normally used for gunfire spotting would last about five minutes over Normandy.
So they took the pilots from all of the floatplane detachments on the battleships and cruisers, put them ashore, and gave them Mk V Spitfires.
Sometimes, war isn't exactly Hell. I'd have liked to be able to go back and sit in the pilot meeting when that plan was announced.
@@durhamdavesbg4948 Yeah, and faster submarines made 18 knots just too slow. Also I think a lot of the better escort carriers ended up getting canceled and priority shifted from escort vessels to landing ships.
I really love these detailed short documentaries.
Thank you
Looking forward to your visit here in Norfolk VA. I'll be taking that day off in hopes of meeting you on the WisKy! Cheers
Greetings from Sangamon County, Illinois, USA. The 2nd a in Sangamon is pronounced a little softer than being pronounced in the video. Still awesome.
Matt Hadley The USN tradition is to name oilers (AO), replenishment tankers (AOR) and gasoline tankers (AOG) after rivers, preferably with American Indian names
I’m subbing to a ton of channels but this is easily one of my favorites. That’s one hell of a pleasing voice to listen to and it’s super good and interesting!!
Drach, if you're back home yet, hope you had fun and got done whatever you wanted!
It was actually quite brilliant to build 30+ plane mobile airfields to not simply supplement the fleet carriers but to provide convoy coverage, create hunter killer capabilities and transport Army Air Corp light aircraft preassembled to recently captured island bases.
My great grandfather served on the Santee during the war, what a welcome surprise :)
This is the first ship review I've heard that mentioned the class of ship, the Cimarron Class Fleet Oiler. My father served on the USS Aucilla during WWII, which spent the war as a fleet oiler mostly in the Pacific and was in the Pacific at the time of the surrender.
The Cimarron class would make an interesting story by itself.
No Cimarrons = no South Pacific carrier task forces.
As always, a very informative program with details even professionals skim over. The US Congress , the great enemy of peace via deterrence, is once again considering conversions in place of fleet carriers. Container ships are the current target.
I hate to fall back on the tired and overuse speech of Eisenhower. But, the old man had a point.
Maybe they don't like letting the Navy buy ships, because they can't seem to keep their prices from going up 50% by the time they are commissioned.
Escort carriers are my favorite class of ww2 ship, thx for the video
USN in need of an escort carrier be like: SANGAMON! I CHOOSE YOU!
Jeep carriers. Ya gotta love em!
My dad was in the Sangamon , flew a Wildcat and taught the other pilots how to land on a very short carrier runway. First in Operation Torch then through the Panama Canal to Guadalcanal where they took up residence at Henderson Field. He loved that ship. One of his favorite subordinates was Paul Thayer--"a Palmer-trained man!"--who "volunteered for everything" and won something like four DFCs. Thayer eventually ended up in prison for insider trading, but one can forgive him that. He was a first-class fighting man, like my dad, Fitzhugh Lee Palmer.
Love the Thrown Togther look of these ships.
I served on the Midway, originally configured as a battleship but converted to a carrier while still under construction. Essentially an attack carrier built on a battleship hull. She is a tank!
My father served on the USS Shangri La during WWII. Can you do a video on it? He mentioned trips to India and Australia. Sounded cool.
Drach, I've asked this before. Is it possible to do a video on the development of propellers?
It's on the list, just hasn't gotten the votes yet.
Fascinating!
My Grandpa served on the USS Petrof Bay during the war.
Those ships are interesting. And inspiring. An old and somewhat rundown Escort Carrier in Space will be the base of my next 2300AD adventure
I feel like these four ships are deeply unappreciated given the number of actions they took part in. All in all, they seemed really successful for an emergency conversion and didn't seem to be nearly as vulnerable to damage as the later escort carriers.
I do have reservations liking a video with such summary liquidation of noble ships
My late father served aboard the escort carrier CVE-94, Lunga Point. The Lunga Point was commissioned in May 1944. She was at Iwo Jima & Okinawa and other battles and was part of the post war evacuation of POW's and many injured Japanese from the Japanese cities.
Always love CVE's. I include the type in my Space War writing, tho these vessels are just as fast as the rest. ;-)
I remember the Genesee from my Vietnam service in Da Nang, in 1966. I was a Quartermaster (went over as a QMSN, and rated as QM 3 while there), assigned to the Harbor Entrance Control Post. A Signalman Striker and I practiced sending and receiving Morse code via flashing light, when the Neosho was in harbor.
Nether heard of those ships, thanks for this video!!
0:33: One of my favourite sights through my Silent Hunter periscope.
I am in the possession of a manuscript of a memoir written by a crewman of the USS Sangamon. We e-mailed back and forth for a while ages ago and he mailed me the manuscript and a ship's ballcap with the USS Sangamon embroidery on it. I'd gladly scan and share if you're interested. :)
Have you thought about doing an internet publishing of that manuscript? Normal publishing would be worth a go, but I would expect it to be a hard sell.
This is a way to get works like that out to what is most likely a limited audience for minimal cost, and can use sites like Drach to announce it's availability.
@@John.0z I haven't considered it as it's just a souvenir right now. Only this vid reminded me that someone might be actually interested in it.
Drach does have some original articles (and photos) on his website. You would probably have to release the copyrights to him, or make it public. Number of pages might be an issue too. Would love to read.
@@gregorywright4918 What copyrights? It was a gift from a crewman of the USS Sangamon that he mailed me over 20 years ago. More like 25 now.
Thank You.
Great video.
I happen to have grown up within about an hour's drive from the city of Santee, California and I've always heard the name pronounced with emphasis on the second syllable, i.e. San-TEE instead of SAN-tee as you say it, although this particular ship is apparently named after the Santee River in South Carolina so that might be different. Just a very minor gripe that doesn't detract at all from the typically excellent quality of the video :)
Good video.
Another great vid. Thanks
Drach, you once did an excellent vid on ships' mascots and pets. It was a little different than your usual vids, but is one of my all time favorites. Somewhat in that vein, could you do a vid on paranormal occurrences and sightings onboard naval vessels?
I'm sure in your vast naval experience you've come across a myriad of reports and tales of such. Aren't most sailors inherently superstitious? Especially age of sail sailors? Even modern sailors? My heart bleeds Army, but my friend is Navy (on DDG 72 USS Mahan) and some of the weird stuff he's told me...
Any stories, especially official reports, on UAP's/ UFO's, marine cryptids, Royal Navy ghost captains, ghost/ lost ships, unexplained oceanographic or atmospheric phenomena, time travelling aircraft/ ships, etc. would be great.
I would imagine that Pellew (Viscount Exmouth), Nelson, their contemporaries saw many strange things. WWI and WWIII sailors, too.
Thank you, sir, for your top notch research and videos. And for some of the knowledgeable guests you've had on some of your vids.
Could be this year's halloween episode...
Is that you with your Skosts, Mr. Stoklasa?
Id love to learn/watch more videos of Escort carriers and light carries in convoy escort in the Atlantic, and U-boat hunter carrier groups, and most importantly, you gotta do a video on escort carriers involved during the Battle off Samar, Taffy 3, and I guess Taffy 1 and 2 as they did contribute their air group to the battle. Thank you, love your channel
These less glorious ships are very interesting. These specific ships seem to have done little convoy escorting. You have covered the Battle of the Atlantic with subs vs. convoys using regular ships, but not so much (at least not that I gathered) on escort carriers, their identity, complement, use, and the effect thereof. It is often said that they were very important, but it would be lovely to see how this actually happened. In short - this is great, hit us again please!
Great work Sir thank you
Sorry I could not get away from work Drach to meet you and Ryan on the New Jersey or the Olympia. I live just outside of DC - hope your visit here on private day enjoyable - try to get out and see the Air and Space museum at Dulles Airport - Enola Gay and Blackbird not to be missed. Very best!
We had a nice chat on the Olympia, weather was good and held up for his New Jersey visits as well.
@@gregorywright4918 glad to hear weather good - darn - could not peel off work this week even though I blocked time. Cheers!
Solid content
I'm curious as to why when the Coronovirus World Tour hit in 2020, the US Navy didn't see about buying one or two of the cruise ships being scrapped for conversion into a new hospital ship. Both ships the Navy runs now are slow and really poorly laid out.
I would imagine the conversion cost would be similar to building a new hull
Actually, the Navy is planning on replacements for the two hospital ships. There's a question about design. Cruise ships in general are not optimum. You need a design with flight deck access for medivac helicopters as well as logistic delivery.
Blue State governors refused to use the 2 hospital ships we did deploy, so making more ships to be refused wasn't needed
Best escort carriers of the war
Would love to see a video on the Commencement Bay Class.
Drac, please do a video about the intro ships, and the battle they are fighting.
Battle of Warships player here, could u do a brief look at the Yukikaze ship?
The only class Drach has done is the Fubuki's, which was the first IJN "super-destroyer". The Kagero class was a couple down the road from them. He does mention development classes in his "Interwar Destroyer Development" video:
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Just of note: It's named after a river in Illinois, and most everyone I know from that region tells me it's pronounced more like "Sang-a-men" (It's also the name of the county in Illinois. Pronounced as I've written.)
a ship review of hms emperor, d98../ uss Pybus...ww2 ship .it was a ship that my wifes grandfather severed on. it is also his wife 100 birthday next month and It will be so cool to show her a video on her husband ship...
Bow players gets excited!
Okkkkkkaaaaayyy! Your on the US east coast, a day later the USS The Sullivans is listing to starboard and stern... What did you doooooo. maybe souvenir hunting gone a bit sideways?
He was aboard the USS New Jersey when that happened...
@@gregorywright4918 that, or it was his mildly evil twin. one may never know.. 0~o
And the 16" guns of the USS New Jersey are good, but not good enough to shoot from Camden to Buffalo...even with Drach on board with Ryan to get multiple "YEET!" rolls on d20's!
@@tcpratt1660 Sub-caliber "training round"? Jet-assisted?
great video..... btw the proper pronunciation of Chenango is SHEN AN GO you were super close the second time you said it... ;) she was named after the chenango river in upstate new york... Chenango is actually an iroquois word mean gentle river flowing through the land..
At 2:16, cool names.
My county !
Can we get some stories about anything epic from the escort carriers at some point there had to have been one ship that did something awesome
I am surprised that the U.S. Navy didn't have escort carriers up and running by 1939. Even as a neutral nation they had to know U.S. merchant ships were going to be sailing into areas of danger. The small carriers seem like such natural choice to add protection. But then again the U.S. Navy opposed the convoy system, even after the U.S. entered the war. Probably spending too much time NOT testing their torpedoes, to know if they would work!
HMS Audacity was commissioned on 17 June 1941. She was the Royal Navy's first escort carrier. Audacity was put into full service, embarking eight Martlets/Wildcats of No. 802 Squadron FAA. She was originally the German merchant ship Hannover.
In March 1940, SS Hannover attempted to return to Germany as a blockade runner. She was sighted between Hispaniola and Puerto Rico in the US Neutrality Zone on the night of 7/8 March by the light cruiser Dunedin and the Canadian destroyer HMCS Assiniboine.
I honestly just came for the requests for the CCCP Cruiser Slava... but this is also excellent
Drach tends to limit himself to pre-1950 built ships.
@@gregorywright4918 I'm well aware of that... but it isn't that far beyond 1950, and is still a hilarious request
@@tehllama42 That ship was laid down in '79 and commissioned in '82.
@@gregorywright4918 .. and is a meme of a coral reef in '22
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Lol Drach. I always pictured you as a somewhat short stocky guy. The seeing you next to Ryan with a 16 inch behind you... you're a rather big stocky guy! I'm not exactly small myself and can only try to imagine you getting round town in england... oof!
Q&A: you mentioned the crazy amount of shp needed to move a ship through the water if it goes beyond 30 knots. if one were to use a turbo electric drive on a ship going 29knots would it still use as much or more shp then a ship with regular steam turbines?
I love yout videos! Can you make a short video about Batltic states navys before and during ww2?
My father served on this ship.
Drach, I was watching some of the older videos and you constantly were remarking about how the British taught the US about fighter control tactics. I was wondering if you could explain how?
Check the list of topics discussed in Drydocks, on Drach's website and in the comments sections.
Interesting
do consider looking at the very old drydock and winch house at the navy yard. not photogenic but adjacent to buildings damaged the last time Washington DC was invaded by foreign powers. We love you still Canadians.
4:09 kind of reminds me of the Ford Class
I’m not sure if you would do uss boxer, the Essex class carriers because it was launched after the war, but my grandfather served on it and would like to see it.
I was going to crack a joke about E being for expendable but it turns out there were 122 of the ugly ass things and only 6 were converted to submarines.
Combustible, Vulnerable, Expendable... not built to "warship" specs, no armor or anti-torpedo bulkheads.
Hms Bangor would be cool
Right on the heels of being talked about in a Drydock. Very suspicious.
I wonder if reintroduction of escort carriers to augment the fleet or super carrier in 2022 would be a good idea...🤷🏽♂️
We do have amphibious assault ships which are about a quarter the price of a super carrier. Of course a Queen Elizabeth class carrier is only slightly more than an America Class assault ship.
I would be great to have something cheap too.
To fly what? Certainly not F/A-18s or F-35s, unless they are the VSTOL type. Which we have the LHAs for. Helo carriers might have a use, if we were using helos a lot for sub-hunting, but the Russian sub fleet has declined and the Chinese subs cannot reach very far. Modern planes are much heavier and require faster speeds, which requires a bigger and faster ship.
@@gregorywright4918 look at catobar small french carrier? Could fly anything off of that, though if navy were to do just dedicated escort carriers not the flat top amphibious craft, I wouldn't fly high asset aircraft off of it, F-18 and UAVs possibly, with a couple burkes and a SSN could be a very lethal little fleet without putting the Fords or Nimitz class in close in areas. Look at it this way the navy wants to augment the destroyer force with the new Consilation frigate, same principle. Not that we would want to lose such a carrier but if conventionally powered, they would be much more palatable if lost in say the South China Sea than a Super Carrier, many different missions they could be applied to. I'm not at all saying they could or should replace the big flat tops but work with them. My personal opinion is that we have let the fleet shrink too much in between the end of cold war one during the war on terrorism, now we find ourselves in cold war 2.0 so to speak and threats to large assets that cannot be replaced would be a huge blow. The navy needs to expand in my opinion, to have a true rival on the seas would be a very big problem, I think people take it for granted that the us and allies can project force wherever we need and that merchant shipping is not interdicted. We want our ships off their coast not their ships off ours.
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Sang uh min, you can include the distinct g sound but it's very brief and slight. Even then its SanG uh min. At least by the local pronunciation.
"Sangamon" sounds like a 60s anime character.