I find Dr. Avgi's new codexing of concepts very alive, and even alluring. For me, this conversation represents a crossroads of analytic transformation, into a "new era," so to say, where there is new contributions allowing for real openings into the field. Meeting very important lineages of psychoanalytic context and asking it to develop into something more than it was thought to be. I see Dr. Avgi and this conversation with Dr. Phillips as providing this opening in a very invigorating way. Thanks for making this available!
Living in Toledo this was my vacation . What a treat this beautiful made up woman, quick as an oceanic feeling, as she says landing on the arabesques and tenor of anything, Vaudeville, just wonderful. I wanted to inject my note of Jung saying to "understand the patient was to make yourself the patient's accomplice". , such a contra civilized idea that it must be as strong a gist of movement in praxis as it seems to me from the sidelines. TO be in the middle of things, begin in the middle of any project, that was my last urgent Quakerly message to my tribe. That was where teachers of the schoolage find themselves everyday, sexually ambiguous and just randomly proud that they are on the other side of the sexual line there. You two are a Coming apart machine, Picabia painted some of these, friends with pens we can see, and wish for you to do this again, in a written form, a dramadey?
Interesting at the start how he talks about sexuality as the erotic as (referring to Winnicot having no interest in the erotic), whereas the erotic is surely is all that eroticizes, the libidinal life force, of which sex is a part
At the 43 min mark Adam speaks up for United Statesers who subsist on cheap chem intensity. Also, be it said outlaid that Norman Brown's logical rendering of the death instinct to a sorry off shoot of an attention distracted by colored lights form the pleasure principle closer to the tides of satisfaction at all events. I have made girlfriends read N. O . Brown and they object up front, but two years later, given two years! They are willing to admire BRown's logic. For example, Brown says that our culture cannot unwind the Roman primogeniture, for its initiating priority, and while that sounds too specific, it seems to bear out in the Us Supreme COurt's Money as speech ruling. Which even had an ironical name, the People Versus Popular SOverignty or some insult to the intelligence. But do read Brown, you can feel free to walk into a train station and say All is under the Pleasure Principle and feel like an amateur about it, a little two-step dance step. A cha-cha cha without being a gotcha.
Avgi stated her disinterest in dreams, which is valid; she is excellent in so many other areas of analytic thought which her book(s) reveal...the collaboration between Phillips and Avgi is really profound to me, and there is no combative "schooling" happening in my estimation but a real dialogue where each one of their expertise comes together. So I am not sure where the "embarrassing" or "schooled" is coming from in your engagement with this conversation...?
Saketopoulou's course on identity and its facile problematization in psychoanalysis in the first segment is done diligently. Saketopoulou's position on dream work appears more nuanced here. If I don't misstate it, dreams allow for "thinking work," including use of it "on themselves." The dream provides neon signs "put on a platter, as opposed to consciousness that does not have the privilege of being an isolated site." Thinking within selves, within isolated sites is interrogated here. Phillips concurs that the platter has "obviously been provided for us." Given what's articulated in the book, I'd extrapolate that the repetitive nightmare of PTSD or Nazi upbringing is necessarily worked through in the "traumatophilic" possibilities, interactions and lived realities, that thinking through and within the dream may not provide the way to address. Phillips example of eyeglasses conjuring up, the dream as a site where the unbeknownst appears, Saketopoulou unsurprisingly acknowledges the basic salience of that. Discussion of dreams, transferential and Nazi, do appear in Sexuality Beyond Consent at that level.
I find Dr. Avgi's new codexing of concepts very alive, and even alluring. For me, this conversation represents a crossroads of analytic transformation, into a "new era," so to say, where there is new contributions allowing for real openings into the field. Meeting very important lineages of psychoanalytic context and asking it to develop into something more than it was thought to be. I see Dr. Avgi and this conversation with Dr. Phillips as providing this opening in a very invigorating way. Thanks for making this available!
Thank you!!!!
Living in Toledo this was my vacation . What a treat this beautiful made up woman, quick as an oceanic feeling, as she says landing on the arabesques and tenor of anything, Vaudeville, just wonderful. I wanted to inject my note of Jung saying to "understand the patient was to make yourself the patient's accomplice". , such a contra civilized idea that it must be as strong a gist of movement in praxis as it seems to me from the sidelines. TO be in the middle of things, begin in the middle of any project, that was my last urgent Quakerly message to my tribe. That was where teachers of the schoolage find themselves everyday, sexually ambiguous and just randomly proud that they are on the other side of the sexual line there. You two are a Coming apart machine, Picabia painted some of these, friends with pens we can see, and wish for you to do this again, in a written form, a dramadey?
Interesting at the start how he talks about sexuality as the erotic as (referring to Winnicot having no interest in the erotic), whereas the erotic is surely is all that eroticizes, the libidinal life force, of which sex is a part
At the 43 min mark Adam speaks up for United Statesers who subsist on cheap chem intensity. Also, be it said outlaid that Norman Brown's logical rendering of the death instinct to a sorry off shoot of an attention distracted by colored lights form the pleasure principle closer to the tides of satisfaction at all events. I have made girlfriends read N. O . Brown and they object up front, but two years later, given two years! They are willing to admire BRown's logic. For example, Brown says that our culture cannot unwind the Roman primogeniture, for its initiating priority, and while that sounds too specific, it seems to bear out in the Us Supreme COurt's Money as speech ruling. Which even had an ironical name, the People Versus Popular SOverignty or some insult to the intelligence. But do read Brown, you can feel free to walk into a train station and say All is under the Pleasure Principle and feel like an amateur about it, a little two-step dance step. A cha-cha cha without being a gotcha.
Avgi really gets schooled by Phillips here, especially on dreams. Embarrassing.
Avgi stated her disinterest in dreams, which is valid; she is excellent in so many other areas of analytic thought which her book(s) reveal...the collaboration between Phillips and Avgi is really profound to me, and there is no combative "schooling" happening in my estimation but a real dialogue where each one of their expertise comes together. So I am not sure where the "embarrassing" or "schooled" is coming from in your engagement with this conversation...?
@@alexbalistreya well said!
They're just talking to each other wtf
Saketopoulou's course on identity and its facile problematization in psychoanalysis in the first segment is done diligently. Saketopoulou's position on dream work appears more nuanced here. If I don't misstate it, dreams allow for "thinking work," including use of it "on themselves." The dream provides neon signs "put on a platter, as opposed to consciousness that does not have the privilege of being an isolated site." Thinking within selves, within isolated sites is interrogated here. Phillips concurs that the platter has "obviously been provided for us." Given what's articulated in the book, I'd extrapolate that the repetitive nightmare of PTSD or Nazi upbringing is necessarily worked through in the "traumatophilic" possibilities, interactions and lived realities, that thinking through and within the dream may not provide the way to address. Phillips example of eyeglasses conjuring up, the dream as a site where the unbeknownst appears, Saketopoulou unsurprisingly acknowledges the basic salience of that. Discussion of dreams, transferential and Nazi, do appear in Sexuality Beyond Consent at that level.
@@ssingh0ucla Wonderful recap. It is indeed more nuanced, as most is in psychoanalytic conversations, theory and practice!