You should make a video where it's this but HIGH ranked killers and see if a pro team can still win or not. Or even with skull merchent 3 gens I'm curious what they would do in these kinds of situations.
Hey spooks, just wanted you to know that someone out there is going around impersonating you and also Hens, using Hens' name but change 1 number. They claim to VPN and not only to play very poorly and do all those toxic things that we all complain about lol
The funny thing is a lot of killers online think they go up against squads like this when in reality they wouldn't even get a M1 in on a team like this.
While most swf arent this good there are still plenty of good swfs on later in the day. To me its beem blatantly obvious that since they made swf a long time ago that they need 2 separate queues. Solo and swf. Give killers more perks and a base kit buff for swf.
Any team with more experience than you is going to be a challenge. It's just about scale. This is why people hate SBMM; it feels like as soon as you learn how to play a killer you start going up against SWF after SWF. During the day is whatever but at night, when the majority of players are online, there are plenty of SWFs of all levels. Personally I think coms ruin the game, I wish there was just in game proximity chat
@@ValBoon997I’ve played against D3AD a few times and failed miserably each time haha, I think a lot of killer mains would struggle against teams like this unless they use tunnelling/camping as you see in pro vs pro squads
Every single person in these matches played really well. This just shows how powerful a survivor team is when they're communicating and working efficiently. Wish I had teammates like this.
literally takes 6 to 8k hours to get this- not to mention CONSTANT comms- if they didnt have comms- the games would most likely be a little bit more even-
@@tigerprincess1109 yeah but not against a very good killer. thats why people sht on soloQ so much. At the end of the day comms just break the game concept, making soloQ unbearable for most people (i dont mind loosing as survivor, i hate being pressured like hell as killer though, just because they use a third party tool) and making killer a coin toss. I do play swf with comms myself too. even if im not the one escaping every time it rains bloodpoints much more because generally everything is done way easyer. And if i get to sit on gens while my loop-god friend gets chased the game is basicly over for the killer. Im an evasive player, i can loop for a bit but im way more efficient at doing anything else so i play immersed when its possible. But even i do the body block tanks and will take hook stages if one of my friends is on death hook when i have none. And im a medicore player but together with other average/strong players killers almost never get more than 2k. Just to give you a picture how comms really do decide the outcome.
Well the game isn't balanced killerwise... and survivors have to be balanced based on the strongest killers, so low tier killers just get to know that 99.9% of games they'll never find these survivors and also know they're not supposed to win every game. In before "All my games are survivors like these"
Unfortunately nothing. The discrepancy between the best killers and the low tier killers is insane, a decent portion of the killer roster is just completely unviable at a high/pro level and it's really unfortunate. However in general it's hard to balance an asymmetrical game like this with so many factors such as perks, items, addons, maps, etc; but it doesn't always seem like BHVR even tries
the good thing is you almost never ever get teams like this^^ and even if, its no shame to get 0 kills. people lose against way less experienced and "professional" players so unless you are a nurse with the same experience you aint doing anything against this^^ but i dont think its a shame to lose against this
I'll say this....for them to win over 200 games in a row just shows how calm they remain under pressure, how rare it is for them to make mistakes, and their knowledge of the game is so insane they not only make perk calls but know how to do every little thing possible to make your life miserable as a killer to make your perks worthless lol.
@@ragingpapabear5978 Yh but I’m pretty sure on the vid they made to where they had to do 4 or I’m just talkin about a whole different group. I forgot but there was a group otz was talking about that did 200+ wins in a row every1 escaping
@stepbrobob-_-3600 It's very possible. Only group I know trying challenges similar was otz/jrm/ayrun/dowsey doing their hard-core challenge where 4 escaping as many matches as possible was crucial. Wouldn't surprise me thou it Hens and his group did something similar. Their map layout and communication was pretty wild to see
@@ragingpapabear5978 Yh i Don’t remember who he was talkin about again but it was a group and pretty sure he wasn’t talkin the group he was in might of been tho don’t remember it too well
Comp is a whole other game in itself. 99% of pub killer/survivor mains would be humbled quickly in a tournament. There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to improving as a player on both sides in this game that can only be realized if you play on a competitive level.
Yeah, I don't get people. Seeing comp players utilizing every little detail to come up with stuff I would not be able to think in 40 years is so fun to watch.
Thanks for sharing this, I've always wanted to hear comp comms! It's just so wild to me how they have everything figured out for every version of every map. And their comms still sound so much more chill than my crappy swf 😂
You should do a “control” variable video. Play against them with your best killers and load outs. You can compare results to high tier killer vs low tier
unfortunatley vs pro team spooky wouldnt be classed as a good killer I think, He's much better then your average pubby though so he is good by our standards, Pros are just a different level. completely different play style aswell.
This has so much information it’s so good… glad y’all explained it through at first watch I didn’t get some things like saving that pallet didn’t know that was a thing
The fact that theres no punishment and they can keep doing the tank the hit against legion and their mend timer just never runs out as long as theyre sprinting is really stupid and should be tweaked honestly
Legion is fast AF though, if he just dropped lazer and went for others the second his power was off cd lazer cant 180 and outpace legion towards his team, he waited too long to do that though
the problem out of this comes from the basekit power disgn so as long as legion doesnt get a full reowrk it aint going to change things. Also not every killer should be able to compete with top teams this game is still mostly played bycasuals at it should stay like that.
I wish I could learn this way of playing survivor because going against this as a killer which I love to play is 1) Impressive as all get out. 2) infuriating. 3) Such a great way to get better at the game and helps with dissecting what areas you can improve in. I wish Hens would give a breakdown on what you can do to most killers like this.
The most effective thing you can do is utilize their clock system and play with friends. If you’re going in soloQ you’re never going to be able to play like this. But communicate and know where your friends are, be decent at looping, and know when to take a hit to help a friend. You’ll also notice they don’t have any of the same perks, so ideally different players have different loadouts for various killers/strats.
@@nathangothan601 to be fair, they have restrictions. thats why they all habe different perks. A stong swf in pubs is probably gonna run 4x adren and 4x ds or sth along the way
@@devvex8851 that’s pretty normal in tournament style DBD. Killers have restrictions as well, because some are massively OP without them. I’d like to see this team vs a tournament level killer, spooky is good but to my knowledge he doesn’t play tournaments or even sweat that hard. So we’re talking a team that’s in the 1% skill margin vs a killer who plays casually on stream. I just hate people are taking this as a “game is survivor sided” argument when in reality NOBODY commenting is probably ever going to encounter a team this coordinated and this good.
@@nathangothan601 yes I just wanted to point out that they have different perks cause of the restrictions they set for themselfes and not because they want to counter different killer strategies like u said in your first comment
If you're solo q (like most of us) you wont be able to play this coordinated without friends on comms. At least you could study how they play and apply to it in your own solo q play sessions. That's what I'm doing when I play.
Because these are just four good players sweating on comms vs a low tier killer, you will run into people just as efficient on occasion. Most likely not a whole team, but all it takes is committing to the good player one time and the bad ones can hold m1 on gens like these guys too
Hens and his team are on another level. And they're not even the best Survivor squad out there. The fact that this game provides careers like this 7 years after release says a lot about how good it actually is in spite of the pitfalls.
A living proof that swf is the core problem of the game, that makes the diffirence between getting 3-4 kills on solo q and getting 0 hooks in the next game. A DOZEN info perks that take no place in perk slots so they still can put up 4 second-chance perks making them both tanky and effecient because they don't spend time on archives, finding others, chests, finding gens, etc. And instead of doing something with this 12+ perk-nightmare for an m1 killer they're trying to bring solo q up to their lvl... survivor's bias (not in-game survivors) at it's finest...
I love the fact that so many of these things that we call insane :D are only available because of the SWF and The voice chat :D "I'm in 9" "I need body block" "Killer on 4" :D and while people just keep saying that we need the game to be balance :D no one ask this that balance for solo or SWF :D no one ask that if the game is balance around voice chat why the game doesn't have it ? for sure hens and his team are the best that I have ever seen and I really learned so much from him, respect. but I mean why in our mind nurse having 200 streak is not fine but SWF having 200 streak is fine :D what ever :D TNX for the video man, always fun to watch
Because there's not many insane things we can do in DBD, its all about positioning and efficiency. Waste the killers time for as long as possible or hold m1 on a gen, people overhype the difficulty and level of skill needed to play this game lol The community gives them too much credit when they play with communication, when the games not designed for that
I kinda feel like communicating via discord defies the purpose of the game. I'd rather have proximity chat. A killer can barely do a lot if a team communicates well
Great video and breakdown for people of all experience levels. If I were pressed to list one thing that makes the difference between this and say solo queue it’d come down to people’s willingness or motivations. The communication is great, but even no comm solo queue I see teammates dive in front of hits, rotate to gens, etc. When you have 4 like minded people all willing to swap from chase to gens to support, not doing challenges, not avoiding because of injury or hook states, it’s such a cool thing to see in action.
It's really crazy watching how real pro-SWF can play. Even though most people say this is just 0.01% of the games... what can a killer do in this situation? And this right here is why this game can't be pro-comp because it's not really 1v4. Because if survivors all are strong then the killer can't win. If all players are equally good, survivors are always in advantage because killers aren't powerful enough, but if they were then solo Q would suffers.... damn.
If I'm playing with friends the usual comms are "how ya been mate uh fuk, I'm getting chased" "What killer is it" "Fukin flesh turkey lookin fukin thing how am i supposed to know"
and now I realize why killer mains complain that survivor is so strong. The unfortunate thing about dbd is when they balance the game to make it so that games like these are more fair, then you really feel it when you're not as good at the game such as myself. I also haven't played the game in almost a year so maybe matchmaking is better now, but the reason I stopped is cause i was always the first one tunneled, downed, and camped out of the game and it just wasn't fun anymore. I definitely wanna try to get back in for Nic Cage and the upcoming slipknot cosmetics
I actually felt bad for Spooky and anyone who plays against these guys in public matches, as it isn't like he and most people play badly. It is just that it is close to impossible to deal with a coordinated team with this much experience, even with Nurse and Blight.
Exactly. Like what if someone is hopping on after a long day of work for some casual games and they have to go against this team? It's not going to be a good time. To be fair there isn't that many coordinated teams out there but the chance you go against one will just be a major headache.
@@ItsMeSuper sad part is I swear more and more teams like this keep popping up over time where killers are almost stagnant as they have heavy exploits that give teams a huge advantage as they can be forever looped in certain spots or their own power can be shut down with absolute ease as we saw forcing killers to go to the only two killers who can stop a good team nurse and blight just so they can have a chance cause even a team who don't have as much time on here can prove difficult if they can get some form of communication going like comms. So unless every killer wants to only play nurse and blight every match something needs to be done
@@maxdragonslayer Like half the killers are regularly used in comp, so it's definitely not 'just nurse and blight' who can keep up with teams like this. Yes the killers that *can't* keep up, like ghostface/legion/myers, should be buffed so that they're viable, but saying that it's only the two broken killers that even have a chance is disingenuous at best.
If this confused anyone I know it took me a minute personally but at 11:56 to 12:03 when Dan is in chase at shack in mid you notice he goes right and calls out 10 now some of you who might’ve been confused like me may think this was a ghost comm callout because according to the map he should really be at 2-3 but that is not the case allow me to briefly explain after my many times playing this over and over So to put it simply imagine looking at shack from the pallet side entrance in this case the window is to the right of the pallet looking in Anyways he took himself from shack mid to being at the 12 location (not literally he imagined himself at the 12 position) and when he went right out of the pallet side of shack which is the front of mid as explained on the map Flip that map upside down so 12 is at the bottom and to the right is the 10 location so essentially how the clock system works is when you’re out of shack you are no longer in shack mid you are still in mid but now you’re in the 12 quadrant and going right from 12 if you have the map flipped is 10 so that’s how the clock system works basically they count the map as flipped upside down shack pallet entrance looking in and call out that way so the left of shack from pallet would be 1,2,3 so on so fourth and right is 11,10,9 obviously there is a certain length each quadrant is I would believe it is on the smaller size because of the numbers on the clock are so many (obviously they’re a bit bigger on larger maps) TDLR: flip the map in the top left hand corner upside down imagine 12 is viewing shack pallet looking in he went right and looking at it upside down right is 11 and 10 which was called out
I chuckle a bit at the fact that someone would call this a "pro" team :) I have zero respect for SWF who play like this. The game is completely not balanced for it, its actually busted even, cause there is nothing a killer can do against this. So now that we agree on the facts... Why would any SWF play like this? There is no satisfaction in knowing you are unbeatable. But that's just me I guess :)
Great video, always love seeing creators show and learn for their mistakes, also genuine question; how is nemi mid tier and not low tier? I've never seen one preform that well unless my team was bots
His zombies basically tell you where people are, if you're aware of them in your peripherals you can see them change direction and know a survivor just walked past, if they are walking directly at a gen chances are someone is on that gen, if they are stood still in an area someone blinded them. plus you can break pallets and hurt people at the same time, thats pretty strong even if you can be seen over most walls because your the size of a bus.
@@OrdellRob oh yeah, there will still be the punks, but say a tournament happens, and can only be played on the competitive mode. I mean truly there will never be an actual balance. I play the game just for fun, and I like horror. I’m not trying to loop anyone. Just trying to get away lol. Keep them busy for a little. Little being the key word lol.
I find gameplay like this depressing to see. In a game this cool, with almost ever major horror icon present, it genuinely feels like this is how to play in the least fun way humanly possible.
Coordinated survivors are terrifying ironically in this "horror" game, this much like your original video makes me feel dumb for enjoying low tier killers cause just...what do you do they are so good! nice to see the other side's perspective every now and then.
I think the idea that throwing shack pallet at 5 gens is a misplay is sort of a myth that went wild in the solo queue community and just became "fact" because nobody likes to get to shack and see no pallet at any point in the game lol. So they just got mad when someone else used it, and then it became "it's a bad play to use it early". The first chase is the absolute most valuable chase in the game, you've got nobody on hook, nobody else injured, people can spread to anywhere in the map. Three survivors are working gens instead of two or even one like the rest of the game once you've got someone on hook/someone going for save/someone in chase. Extending that chase is HUGE. Shack pallet in first chase is honestly a great play most of the time
It's probably because shack is a strong, consistant loop. shack spawns in the same place every time, has the same layout (basically) every time so for the more experienced players taking a valuable resource like shack pallet out of the way early is huge, plus the chances of first chase starting in shack are pretty slim so it means your just throwing pallets and hoping for the best instead of trying to play loops.
Eh I've been a part of groups like this before in #1 hardcore raiding guilds in WoW and I can already tell it's the same. The tone buddy had when he said "why are we giving free hits?! Ofc the gen is not 99d?!" Is all too familiar. They may be buddies, but they value elitist gameplay and wins over their friendship, and it shows. That's how those groups roll. Can be fun but it's exhausting being in that environment. Glad I'm not in those circles anymore.
I don`t think that Hens and friends value a win more than there friendship. Yeah the call seems a bit aggressive but overall they still try to have fun and even if they loose it`s not like they are mad at each other. They just enjoy playing together and sweating together. At least that`s how I see it.
We are all players of competitive nature and have played together for years. Being in an environment where you have to perform in whatever setting it is gives me personal enjoyment and thats not only DBD or computer games I also really enjoyed it when playing football irl. We all want to do as good as possible, that was the whole premise with which Spooky asked us to play here. Mistakes happen that is totally natural.
@@hens333 sure, but we're not in disagreement. You could have said playing with your friends gives you personal enjoyment but you chose to say performing well gives you personal enjoyment. So like I said, you guys are all buddies I'm sure but you all seem to value good gameplay the most - which there's nothing wrong with. I was the same way for years in WoW and comp halo, I get it, its whats fun. I was just commenting that I've been there before and it ain't for me anymore. Wasn't a dig at you or any of them.
A lot of people say "what if a low tier killer plays against them in pubs" but 9 times out of 10 players this good aren't playing to sweat like this in pubs
I know I could never beat them, but them communicating your every move can only be defended by somehow herding them together so the comms aren’t as valuable.
This is why i hate low tier Killers. Some of them are super fun in My opinion but it doesnt matter cause this feeling of helplessness is what ruins it for me
I don’t mean to take anything away from their skill, but seeing them use filters means they probably used stretch res at one point. This game isn’t designed for this kind of play. I’d be more impressed if they were forced to play without filters, comms and whatever other out of game advantages they have. I want to see a tourney without that stuff. THAT would be more impressive.
I wonder if one of the required skills in joining such teams is speaking in minimum of 3 🤣 "im hit im hit im hit im hit im hit"... "im hit im hit "on me on me on me on me on me" "im fine im fine im fine..." "IM FINE IM FINE"
DBD with a team and DBD solo Q are 2 completely different games. DBD with team you have 1 common enemy. DBD Solo Q: Every single 1 of your teammates + the killer are your enemies!
Man, a killer doesn't have a freaking chance against a SWF like that. SWF's in general are hard to beat, let alone this level of coordination. Holy shit.
@@whydoihavesubs6644 if the swf is good enough and smart enough you can win against any killer. It's just a matter of how long will you last and rng. I've seen nurses getting destroyed because of how well the survivors played
@Pepster there's a difference between a pub stomping nurse and a comp nurse player (knightlight for example). He beats even the best comp teams, more times than he loses with his nurse. The same can be said about comp blight players, they win more often than not
the kids who talk about shack pallet dropped early are the type of players who think "pro" players do 360s KEKW the difference between 99% of players and players like hens team or any other players with thousands of hours and a ton of tournament experience is insane. most people really think they are comp if they cj or tbag at the gate LUL but simple things like what dan does at 11:50 show how different they are.
A window fake is your qualification for pro? lol am i a pro if i hole the killer now? Don't be too impressed by minor outplays, especially at the strongest loop
These guys are so insane! Please go subscribe to Hens! ➡️www.youtube.com/@hens333
How foolish of you to not assume we already are
Play one match with ayrun and naymati please
You should make a video where it's this but HIGH ranked killers and see if a pro team can still win or not. Or even with skull merchent 3 gens I'm curious what they would do in these kinds of situations.
@@Rylee_and_Alexis Skull merchant after nerf is ass
Hey spooks, just wanted you to know that someone out there is going around impersonating you and also Hens, using Hens' name but change 1 number. They claim to VPN and not only to play very poorly and do all those toxic things that we all complain about lol
I would love a match replay feature in DBD. So many matches I've had where I wanted to watch the match from the surv perspective afterwards.
Probably 1 year later, dbd devs not even planning on match history anyway
I'd agree, but knowing BHVR it would either be unusable for a year, or make the game function 100% slower
You would see me creeping behind that rock you checked five times only to just barely not find me >:)
@@sussybaka4550match history already exists in mobile 😔💔
Meanwhile im stuck in the trenches that are solo que with people who DC on first down.
At least soon you’ll get bots to replace them
Lol well said
@@AcidicRain411 if only...
Yesterday, I had a survivor that stayed downed the entire match, refusing to let us pick them up.
@@AcidicRain411 kinda hope that my solo q teamm8s disconnect then cuz the bots are most of the time better lol
@@koluba251 lmao lowkey the bots are nice I was playing against them in custom match and with perks and beamers they actually played good 💀
It's crazy that they use deadlock, the killers perk, to their advantage like it's their perk or something 😂
Right 😂
Basically a free repressed alliance for them lmao
Thats why i dont use deadlock anymore
@@xrad3269 99% of you games survivors wont do this
@@nippo7459fr 99% of regular games people run around for flash saves for no reason 😂
The funny thing is a lot of killers online think they go up against squads like this when in reality they wouldn't even get a M1 in on a team like this.
yeah, while i chase 1 survivor in 1 minutes , they popped 3 gens
I'm actually kinda curious how will D3adplays can handle them he's also a twitch streamer and he uploads in youtube as killer main.
While most swf arent this good there are still plenty of good swfs on later in the day.
To me its beem blatantly obvious that since they made swf a long time ago that they need 2 separate queues. Solo and swf. Give killers more perks and a base kit buff for swf.
Any team with more experience than you is going to be a challenge. It's just about scale. This is why people hate SBMM; it feels like as soon as you learn how to play a killer you start going up against SWF after SWF. During the day is whatever but at night, when the majority of players are online, there are plenty of SWFs of all levels. Personally I think coms ruin the game, I wish there was just in game proximity chat
@@ValBoon997I’ve played against D3AD a few times and failed miserably each time haha, I think a lot of killer mains would struggle against teams like this unless they use tunnelling/camping as you see in pro vs pro squads
7:22 i love how he just laughs it off. sometimes u got laugh at these things cause u cant make sense of it
I mean it would have been kind of ironic if he had complained considering the amount of hits he "dodged" due to his high ping
@@boringmonkey6958 what hits did he dodge due to ping?
Every single person in these matches played really well. This just shows how powerful a survivor team is when they're communicating and working efficiently. Wish I had teammates like this.
literally takes 6 to 8k hours to get this- not to mention CONSTANT comms- if they didnt have comms- the games would most likely be a little bit more even-
@@sieykes I doubt that. I’ve seen teams that aren’t on comms be efficient.
@@tigerprincess1109 yeah but not against a very good killer. thats why people sht on soloQ so much. At the end of the day comms just break the game concept, making soloQ unbearable for most people (i dont mind loosing as survivor, i hate being pressured like hell as killer though, just because they use a third party tool) and making killer a coin toss. I do play swf with comms myself too. even if im not the one escaping every time it rains bloodpoints much more because generally everything is done way easyer. And if i get to sit on gens while my loop-god friend gets chased the game is basicly over for the killer. Im an evasive player, i can loop for a bit but im way more efficient at doing anything else so i play immersed when its possible. But even i do the body block tanks and will take hook stages if one of my friends is on death hook when i have none. And im a medicore player but together with other average/strong players killers almost never get more than 2k. Just to give you a picture how comms really do decide the outcome.
That's stellar teamwork!! 😅 You did good SpookyLoopz
It's weird seeing spookyloopz get looped so well
Kudos to Laser, kinda sick playing the whole match while on deep wound. Man, it hurts my eyes looping while on deep wound.
I would say respect to him, but half of these dudes aren't playing the game vanilla. Kinda cheesy.
@@rawsoundscreation1278 wdym vanilla?
@@Xylic-_- the one guy is playing at 120 fps, not a problem. But lazers brightness is just stupid. He has the game heavily modified
@@rawsoundscreation1278yeah, the red filter is kinda crazy. I get it, but it's like a whole different game
@@rawsoundscreation1278how can i do this
Like wtf is a low tier killer supposed to do against survivors playing like this ??
Imagine if they would bring map offerings and toolboxes 💀
Well the game isn't balanced killerwise... and survivors have to be balanced based on the strongest killers, so low tier killers just get to know that 99.9% of games they'll never find these survivors and also know they're not supposed to win every game.
In before "All my games are survivors like these"
Unfortunately nothing. The discrepancy between the best killers and the low tier killers is insane, a decent portion of the killer roster is just completely unviable at a high/pro level and it's really unfortunate.
However in general it's hard to balance an asymmetrical game like this with so many factors such as perks, items, addons, maps, etc; but it doesn't always seem like BHVR even tries
the good thing is you almost never ever get teams like this^^ and even if, its no shame to get 0 kills. people lose against way less experienced and "professional" players so unless you are a nurse with the same experience you aint doing anything against this^^ but i dont think its a shame to lose against this
@@PsYcO9iKiLl9YaH sadly, many players, in endgame chat, love to shame you for it. It is kicking someone, who is already on the floor, in the face.
Yeah even mid tier killers aren't viable in tournaments unless survivors have large restrictions.
I'll say this....for them to win over 200 games in a row just shows how calm they remain under pressure, how rare it is for them to make mistakes, and their knowledge of the game is so insane they not only make perk calls but know how to do every little thing possible to make your life miserable as a killer to make your perks worthless lol.
And for there win I’m pretty sure they needed to get 4 ppl to escape right?
@@stepbrobob-_-3600 I would assume 3+ since 2 escapes is considered a draw in dbd terms.
@@ragingpapabear5978 Yh but I’m pretty sure on the vid they made to where they had to do 4 or I’m just talkin about a whole different group. I forgot but there was a group otz was talking about that did 200+ wins in a row every1 escaping
@stepbrobob-_-3600 It's very possible. Only group I know trying challenges similar was otz/jrm/ayrun/dowsey doing their hard-core challenge where 4 escaping as many matches as possible was crucial. Wouldn't surprise me thou it Hens and his group did something similar. Their map layout and communication was pretty wild to see
@@ragingpapabear5978 Yh i Don’t remember who he was talkin about again but it was a group and pretty sure he wasn’t talkin the group he was in might of been tho don’t remember it too well
Your idea for these videos is so helpful to us non pros! Thank you! Love this video
bruh, how can ppl look at this gameplay and say comp isnt interesting? I love seeing this optimized gameplay, so much to learn
Comp is a whole other game in itself. 99% of pub killer/survivor mains would be humbled quickly in a tournament. There is so much more than meets the eye when it comes to improving as a player on both sides in this game that can only be realized if you play on a competitive level.
Yeah, I don't get people. Seeing comp players utilizing every little detail to come up with stuff I would not be able to think in 40 years is so fun to watch.
Thanks for sharing this, I've always wanted to hear comp comms! It's just so wild to me how they have everything figured out for every version of every map. And their comms still sound so much more chill than my crappy swf 😂
Everything is chill until dan starts doing call outs. That man is screaming. Though he has to, as he's the captain of an actual comp team.
This is why I follow Hens, he is cracked. I never seen him and his team go this hard
You should do a “control” variable video. Play against them with your best killers and load outs. You can compare results to high tier killer vs low tier
unfortunatley vs pro team spooky wouldnt be classed as a good killer I think, He's much better then your average pubby though so he is good by our standards, Pros are just a different level. completely different play style aswell.
This has so much information it’s so good… glad y’all explained it through at first watch I didn’t get some things like saving that pallet didn’t know that was a thing
The fact that theres no punishment and they can keep doing the tank the hit against legion and their mend timer just never runs out as long as theyre sprinting is really stupid and should be tweaked honestly
Yeah anytime there's a weakness for any killer, killer mains want it patched asap.
Legion is fast AF though, if he just dropped lazer and went for others the second his power was off cd lazer cant 180 and outpace legion towards his team, he waited too long to do that though
the problem out of this comes from the basekit power disgn so as long as legion doesnt get a full reowrk it aint going to change things.
Also not every killer should be able to compete with top teams this game is still mostly played bycasuals at it should stay like that.
@SarcasticData just like survivors crying and disconnecting so much that Behaviour will be nerfing a B teir killer to F teir
Thank you for this amazing perspective in the game. I loved it.
I wish I could learn this way of playing survivor because going against this as a killer which I love to play is 1) Impressive as all get out. 2) infuriating. 3) Such a great way to get better at the game and helps with dissecting what areas you can improve in. I wish Hens would give a breakdown on what you can do to most killers like this.
The most effective thing you can do is utilize their clock system and play with friends. If you’re going in soloQ you’re never going to be able to play like this.
But communicate and know where your friends are, be decent at looping, and know when to take a hit to help a friend. You’ll also notice they don’t have any of the same perks, so ideally different players have different loadouts for various killers/strats.
@@nathangothan601 to be fair, they have restrictions. thats why they all habe different perks. A stong swf in pubs is probably gonna run 4x adren and 4x ds or sth along the way
@@devvex8851 that’s pretty normal in tournament style DBD.
Killers have restrictions as well, because some are massively OP without them. I’d like to see this team vs a tournament level killer, spooky is good but to my knowledge he doesn’t play tournaments or even sweat that hard. So we’re talking a team that’s in the 1% skill margin vs a killer who plays casually on stream. I just hate people are taking this as a “game is survivor sided” argument when in reality NOBODY commenting is probably ever going to encounter a team this coordinated and this good.
@@nathangothan601 yes I just wanted to point out that they have different perks cause of the restrictions they set for themselfes and not because they want to counter different killer strategies like u said in your first comment
If you're solo q (like most of us) you wont be able to play this coordinated without friends on comms. At least you could study how they play and apply to it in your own solo q play sessions. That's what I'm doing when I play.
18:06 what type of monster is that guy - looping arround the one block ... just INSANE
i swear when i play killer it feels like im playing against this.
Because these are just four good players sweating on comms vs a low tier killer, you will run into people just as efficient on occasion. Most likely not a whole team, but all it takes is committing to the good player one time and the bad ones can hold m1 on gens like these guys too
Bro i do this kinda but to see a whole team do it is mad respect , i need a team like this
Hens and his team are on another level. And they're not even the best Survivor squad out there. The fact that this game provides careers like this 7 years after release says a lot about how good it actually is in spite of the pitfalls.
Dbd is an extremely good game
It's just very niche and a lot of people struggle to recognize how great it is
A living proof that swf is the core problem of the game, that makes the diffirence between getting 3-4 kills on solo q and getting 0 hooks in the next game. A DOZEN info perks that take no place in perk slots so they still can put up 4 second-chance perks making them both tanky and effecient because they don't spend time on archives, finding others, chests, finding gens, etc. And instead of doing something with this 12+ perk-nightmare for an m1 killer they're trying to bring solo q up to their lvl... survivor's bias (not in-game survivors) at it's finest...
Good said Spooky: They HAVE to fuck up for you to be able to do anything against them, no matter the skill level or killer's power, which is not okay.
99% of swfs cant do any of this, and on top of that, spooky is playing awful killers with easy counterplay
watching this makes me never want to pick up DBD again. that legion can just get shut down like that
I love the fact that so many of these things that we call insane :D are only available because of the SWF and The voice chat :D "I'm in 9" "I need body block" "Killer on 4" :D and while people just keep saying that we need the game to be balance :D no one ask this that balance for solo or SWF :D no one ask that if the game is balance around voice chat why the game doesn't have it ? for sure hens and his team are the best that I have ever seen and I really learned so much from him, respect. but I mean why in our mind nurse having 200 streak is not fine but SWF having 200 streak is fine :D what ever :D TNX for the video man, always fun to watch
Because there's not many insane things we can do in DBD, its all about positioning and efficiency. Waste the killers time for as long as possible or hold m1 on a gen, people overhype the difficulty and level of skill needed to play this game lol The community gives them too much credit when they play with communication, when the games not designed for that
I kinda feel like communicating via discord defies the purpose of the game. I'd rather have proximity chat. A killer can barely do a lot if a team communicates well
Ngl. This video actually discourage me playing killer
You're not likely to go against teams like this
@@Ro-Ghost i do sometimes
@@clockwerk152 I'm very doubtful
This is art. Absolutely beautiful teamwork, great communication and composure.
Great video and breakdown for people of all experience levels. If I were pressed to list one thing that makes the difference between this and say solo queue it’d come down to people’s willingness or motivations. The communication is great, but even no comm solo queue I see teammates dive in front of hits, rotate to gens, etc. When you have 4 like minded people all willing to swap from chase to gens to support, not doing challenges, not avoiding because of injury or hook states, it’s such a cool thing to see in action.
I have never seen dbd form this POV they are so impressive holy
And imagine this is under the context of spooky loops already knows who have deliverance
Literally cracked team. Holy hell, that was insanely impressive
It's nice watching and learning how a pro player plays.
It's really crazy watching how real pro-SWF can play. Even though most people say this is just 0.01% of the games... what can a killer do in this situation? And this right here is why this game can't be pro-comp because it's not really 1v4. Because if survivors all are strong then the killer can't win. If all players are equally good, survivors are always in advantage because killers aren't powerful enough, but if they were then solo Q would suffers.... damn.
The map count thing is so funny, I could never be this sweaty at a game 😭😭
omg I love this! If you want to make more reaction videos I'm so in for it!!!
you should now do that team against A+ to S tier killers
If I'm playing with friends the usual comms are "how ya been mate uh fuk, I'm getting chased"
"What killer is it"
"Fukin flesh turkey lookin fukin thing how am i supposed to know"
and now I realize why killer mains complain that survivor is so strong. The unfortunate thing about dbd is when they balance the game to make it so that games like these are more fair, then you really feel it when you're not as good at the game such as myself. I also haven't played the game in almost a year so maybe matchmaking is better now, but the reason I stopped is cause i was always the first one tunneled, downed, and camped out of the game and it just wasn't fun anymore. I definitely wanna try to get back in for Nic Cage and the upcoming slipknot cosmetics
Core gameplay is flawed and is only balanced around swf and S tier killers. So the rest of us suffer from their so called balance changes.
I watched this video from Hens, it was fun to see both sides. And even more do to see your reaction!
This takes being a sweat to a whole new level
Homie, your beard is so luscious! Also love the ghost shirt!
Yeah, i remember once upon a time when gaming was about having fun😂😂
These people are having fun 😂😂, different people have fun in different ways 😂😂
The way my blood would boil playing killer and being literally handicapped by a wounded survivor
I actually felt bad for Spooky and anyone who plays against these guys in public matches, as it isn't like he and most people play badly. It is just that it is close to impossible to deal with a coordinated team with this much experience, even with Nurse and Blight.
Exactly. Like what if someone is hopping on after a long day of work for some casual games and they have to go against this team? It's not going to be a good time. To be fair there isn't that many coordinated teams out there but the chance you go against one will just be a major headache.
@@ItsMeSuper Yeah for sure
@@ItsMeSuper sad part is I swear more and more teams like this keep popping up over time where killers are almost stagnant as they have heavy exploits that give teams a huge advantage as they can be forever looped in certain spots or their own power can be shut down with absolute ease as we saw forcing killers to go to the only two killers who can stop a good team nurse and blight just so they can have a chance cause even a team who don't have as much time on here can prove difficult if they can get some form of communication going like comms. So unless every killer wants to only play nurse and blight every match something needs to be done
@@maxdragonslayer Like half the killers are regularly used in comp, so it's definitely not 'just nurse and blight' who can keep up with teams like this. Yes the killers that *can't* keep up, like ghostface/legion/myers, should be buffed so that they're viable, but saying that it's only the two broken killers that even have a chance is disingenuous at best.
@@HaileyTheThird Hens team and Spooky during the stream said straight up out of the entire killer library, only 4 of them are competitive.
If this confused anyone I know it took me a minute personally but at 11:56 to 12:03 when Dan is in chase at shack in mid you notice he goes right and calls out 10
now some of you who might’ve been confused like me may think this was a ghost comm callout because according to the map he should really be at 2-3 but that is not the case allow me to briefly explain after my many times playing this over and over
So to put it simply imagine looking at shack from the pallet side entrance in this case the window is to the right of the pallet looking in
Anyways he took himself from shack mid to being at the 12 location (not literally he imagined himself at the 12 position) and when he went right out of the pallet side of shack which is the front of mid as explained on the map
Flip that map upside down so 12 is at the bottom and to the right is the 10 location so essentially how the clock system works is when you’re out of shack you are no longer in shack mid you are still in mid but now you’re in the 12 quadrant and going right from 12 if you have the map flipped is 10
so that’s how the clock system works basically they count the map as flipped upside down shack pallet entrance looking in and call out that way so the left of shack from pallet would be 1,2,3 so on so fourth and right is 11,10,9 obviously there is a certain length each quadrant is I would believe it is on the smaller size because of the numbers on the clock are so many (obviously they’re a bit bigger on larger maps)
TDLR: flip the map in the top left hand corner upside down imagine 12 is viewing shack pallet looking in he went right and looking at it upside down right is 11 and 10 which was called out
I love how hens is like we wanna deny nemmys power but JOKES ON HIM I AKWAYS BRING THE ZOMBIE INFECTION AMPLIFIER ADD ON 😂
Same! 😂
Now you have to play them with hier tier killers and see how you do
I chuckle a bit at the fact that someone would call this a "pro" team :) I have zero respect for SWF who play like this. The game is completely not balanced for it, its actually busted even, cause there is nothing a killer can do against this. So now that we agree on the facts... Why would any SWF play like this? There is no satisfaction in knowing you are unbeatable. But that's just me I guess :)
What's weird about wanting to win in a player-versus-player online game
love seein the ghost shirt peeking in the facecam 😂❤
Loved the stream yesterday and i love your videos
I think it really goes to show just how powerful SWF can be. Of course this is super super high tier survivor play but even still.
this video is like,........ perfect
Thanks for the effort
didn't know you're a ghost fan, dude, much love!
Great video, always love seeing creators show and learn for their mistakes, also genuine question; how is nemi mid tier and not low tier? I've never seen one preform that well unless my team was bots
His zombies basically tell you where people are, if you're aware of them in your peripherals you can see them change direction and know a survivor just walked past, if they are walking directly at a gen chances are someone is on that gen, if they are stood still in an area someone blinded them. plus you can break pallets and hurt people at the same time, thats pretty strong even if you can be seen over most walls because your the size of a bus.
that was really interesting video,what about the other games with freddy and Myers ?
I miss when Killer felt like the power role.
Killers are still the power role, the percentage of you actually playing against a pro team with comms is very low.
It would feel like the power role if you didn’t suck 🤷🏿♂️
17:00 they messed up the bodyblock, claud should have blocked your path instead of following the injured surv
I really wish they would make a separate game mode for competitive players.
The thing is the competitive/sweaty players will still go to the non competitive mode to have fun and mess with the noobs/casual players.
@@OrdellRob oh yeah, there will still be the punks, but say a tournament happens, and can only be played on the competitive mode. I mean truly there will never be an actual balance. I play the game just for fun, and I like horror. I’m not trying to loop anyone. Just trying to get away lol. Keep them busy for a little. Little being the key word lol.
The idea that walkie talkies should be introduced to balance this type of communication since it's unfair
I find gameplay like this depressing to see. In a game this cool, with almost ever major horror icon present, it genuinely feels like this is how to play in the least fun way humanly possible.
Personal opinion, it’s really impressive, but I don’t think I’d have fun playing like that. More power to them though!
Must have been a super humbling experience
Bro love your vids keep it up!!
It's VERY different knowing who you're against before even starting though.
Interesting moment with recovering (Laser) (Yellow line) so much time and still not knocked
Loops my dude, why dont you mind game at all? No double backs, no moon walking, no hesitating steps, just all W key my dude
Coordinated survivors are terrifying ironically in this "horror" game, this much like your original video makes me feel dumb for enjoying low tier killers cause just...what do you do they are so good! nice to see the other side's perspective every now and then.
Every Survivor in this team but lumpy are competitive players among the best in the world in pubs you don't find them
These are the teams that make me have to buy new remotes everyday 😂
That was nuts. I wish to be like this someday
It's damn near impossible to have a good match when the pings are 250+
The difference in time makes for the worst show.
I think the idea that throwing shack pallet at 5 gens is a misplay is sort of a myth that went wild in the solo queue community and just became "fact" because nobody likes to get to shack and see no pallet at any point in the game lol. So they just got mad when someone else used it, and then it became "it's a bad play to use it early". The first chase is the absolute most valuable chase in the game, you've got nobody on hook, nobody else injured, people can spread to anywhere in the map. Three survivors are working gens instead of two or even one like the rest of the game once you've got someone on hook/someone going for save/someone in chase. Extending that chase is HUGE. Shack pallet in first chase is honestly a great play most of the time
It's probably because shack is a strong, consistant loop. shack spawns in the same place every time, has the same layout (basically) every time so for the more experienced players taking a valuable resource like shack pallet out of the way early is huge, plus the chances of first chase starting in shack are pretty slim so it means your just throwing pallets and hoping for the best instead of trying to play loops.
Eh I've been a part of groups like this before in #1 hardcore raiding guilds in WoW and I can already tell it's the same. The tone buddy had when he said "why are we giving free hits?! Ofc the gen is not 99d?!" Is all too familiar. They may be buddies, but they value elitist gameplay and wins over their friendship, and it shows. That's how those groups roll. Can be fun but it's exhausting being in that environment. Glad I'm not in those circles anymore.
I don`t think that Hens and friends value a win more than there friendship. Yeah the call seems a bit aggressive but overall they still try to have fun and even if they loose it`s not like they are mad at each other. They just enjoy playing together and sweating together. At least that`s how I see it.
We are all players of competitive nature and have played together for years. Being in an environment where you have to perform in whatever setting it is gives me personal enjoyment and thats not only DBD or computer games I also really enjoyed it when playing football irl. We all want to do as good as possible, that was the whole premise with which Spooky asked us to play here. Mistakes happen that is totally natural.
@@hens333 sure, but we're not in disagreement. You could have said playing with your friends gives you personal enjoyment but you chose to say performing well gives you personal enjoyment. So like I said, you guys are all buddies I'm sure but you all seem to value good gameplay the most - which there's nothing wrong with. I was the same way for years in WoW and comp halo, I get it, its whats fun. I was just commenting that I've been there before and it ain't for me anymore. Wasn't a dig at you or any of them.
Imagine playing against this team in a pub when they can use anything they want😭
Man this sounds soooo stressing like does it even make fun to play that way haha
A lot of people say "what if a low tier killer plays against them in pubs" but 9 times out of 10 players this good aren't playing to sweat like this in pubs
Hey spooky nice vid... just a ques,are you not gonna play outlast trials other levels as well?It was pretty fun
I know I could never beat them, but them communicating your every move can only be defended by somehow herding them together so the comms aren’t as valuable.
About Legion... "do you guys not have M1 ?"
lol I keep pressing the video on 22:53 and I can't get to the "best of hens 7" video
The best thing is they only get stronger with the camping update where they can just get off hook
How does Spooky have Hens' analytics showing on the right side of his screen ?
I get you want to win, but I couldnt play like this lol. I would be so stressed. I never take Dbd that serious and I have 2600 hours in it.
When you got a pimple your friend really wants to pop: 20:55
how on earth is this fair.... This game is truly fked. Against a SWF that has this ability you cant do a damn thing but play nurse.
I would like to see you vs them with your huntress
He already made a video about that, they all escaped if I’m remembering it correctly
This is why i hate low tier Killers. Some of them are super fun in My opinion but it doesnt matter cause this feeling of helplessness is what ruins it for me
Christ just watching them play like that is stressing me out
I would love to see how many gens a pro team could crank out before they died. But you’d have to make a mod to find out
The body blocking is easily counterable
I don’t mean to take anything away from their skill, but seeing them use filters means they probably used stretch res at one point. This game isn’t designed for this kind of play. I’d be more impressed if they were forced to play without filters, comms and whatever other out of game advantages they have. I want to see a tourney without that stuff. THAT would be more impressive.
I wonder if one of the required skills in joining such teams is speaking in minimum of 3 🤣
"im hit im hit im hit im hit im hit"... "im hit im hit
"on me on me on me on me on me"
"im fine im fine im fine..." "IM FINE IM FINE"
I'm interested to see matches against them using Top Killers next 😂
DBD with a team and DBD solo Q are 2 completely different games.
DBD with team you have 1 common enemy.
DBD Solo Q: Every single 1 of your teammates + the killer are your enemies!
Man, a killer doesn't have a freaking chance against a SWF like that. SWF's in general are hard to beat, let alone this level of coordination. Holy shit.
unless nurse, spirit, or blight
@@whydoihavesubs6644 if the swf is good enough and smart enough you can win against any killer. It's just a matter of how long will you last and rng. I've seen nurses getting destroyed because of how well the survivors played
@Pepster there's a difference between a pub stomping nurse and a comp nurse player (knightlight for example). He beats even the best comp teams, more times than he loses with his nurse. The same can be said about comp blight players, they win more often than not
@@whydoihavesubs6644 Only cause you cant bodyblock as well against those killers.
Man insane gameplay ❤
the kids who talk about shack pallet dropped early are the type of players who think "pro" players do 360s KEKW the difference between 99% of players and players like hens team or any other players with thousands of hours and a ton of tournament experience is insane. most people really think they are comp if they cj or tbag at the gate LUL but simple things like what dan does at 11:50 show how different they are.
A window fake is your qualification for pro? lol am i a pro if i hole the killer now? Don't be too impressed by minor outplays, especially at the strongest loop