I think what the show runners wanted to convey with the Mountain is that he is a walking killer Frankenstein only to obey orders, but seeing his younger brother, and suddenly not following orders was to show how much hatred the Mountain feels for him. Basically the opposite of how in shows/movies, they always show “love” conquering all? Like someone can be under a spell, or in any situation, some how love surpasses and beats the odds. This was like, the Mountain’s hatred towards his younger brother was stronger than any other feeling the Mountain has ever had.
Tyrion adopts the perspective of the audience. The audience was very much also in denial of how much evil Dany was capable of. They knew her to be ruthless and impulsive, but naively believed such a person would nevertheless be sated with the people of KL surrendering. As far as Dany was concerned, it was a case of 'too little, too late.'
That was the thing. Dany’s story was told from Tyrion’s POV and not Dany’s going back to season 7. That’s why people have a hard time understanding why Dany did what she did. He believed in her. The audience believed in her. That’s why we think the heal turn was rushed, but if you are Tyrion then yes you are horrified and saying “WTF IS THIS ISH!!!”
12:36: it’s a variation of the rains of castamerre. Or at least the orchestral version. It’s essentially been the Lannister motif for the show since at least season 2. Fitting for their send off.
When I try not to think abt what is happening storewide in Game of Thrones as a whole, this episode can be pretty enjoyable to watch. Almost like a medieval disaster movie
I agree. Really good episode. It did a good job of showing the horrors of war. The only bad part of the episode is the Jamie/Euron scene. The odds of them meeting at the shore was a million to one. So I agree with you on that as well. Lazy writing.
A million to one? Are there like a million beaches around the Red Keep peninsula? Where the hell do you think Euron would go after losing his ship? Swim to the horizon?
Lena Headey was one of the outstanding actors in this show (amongst all the other great actors). I already knew her from the movie "Imagine me & you" (2005); if you haven't seen this romcom, you should definitely watch it; much lighter material!
They ruined everyone’s character arcs in 6 episodes. Such a shame. I agree with Dany going mad because it was foreshadowed through the series but they did it in 0-100. They needed more episodes or another season to fully develop this ending.
The original ask was for 10 seasons with 10 episodes, and a feature film extended length trilogy like Lord of the Rings. HBO immediately shot that down and said, "we do not make box office movies". They agreed to 8 seasons. I think there were some production issues in the later seasons, which HBO was not happy about. They decided to cut the 10 episodes in season 8 down to 6 and said they just wanted to "move on from the show", because they wanted to focus on things like the Chernobyl miniseries. The pacing is so off because of some suits at HBO who did not understand the value of what they were holding. If they did 10 seasons and 3 extended length movies, GoT would have gone down in history as the greatest franchise ever created.
@@B_B-420 I don't know where you got that information from but according to Entertainment, it was mostly D&D who wanted to wrap things up. “This is the hard part of what we do,” sighs HBO programming president Michael Lombardo. “We started this journey with David and Dan. It’s their vision. Would I love the show to go 10 years as both a fan and a network executive? Absolutely.” "I don’t know. Ask David and Dan when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life. If you’ve read my novels, you know there was enough material for more seasons. They made certain cuts, but that’s fine. - George R. R. Martin. "HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends" - Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff & D. B. Weiss "HBO isn’t keen on a Thrones film even if it’s a potential box office blockbuster, however, because the format switch could be construed as snubbing their loyal subscribers. “Certainly there have been conversations where it’s been said, ‘Wouldn’t it be cool to do that?’” Lombardo said. “But when you start a series with our subscribers, the promise is that for your HBO fee that we’re going to take you to the end of this. I feel that on some level [a movie would be] changing the rules: Now you have to pay $16 to see how your show ends.”
@@BhBc8f8 She's been burning people alive since Mirri Maz Dur in Season 1. Crucifying the Masters. Threatening to burn everyone in Qarth. Repeatedly just being like "cities will burn." Burning random noblemen in Mereen to punish the Sons of the Harpy without knowing who was responsible. Burning the Tarlys. Her whole attitude re: Jon, Sansa, and the North.
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 Hasn’t Stannis been doing the exact same thing? Burning people who refuse to bend the knee and offering their souls to the Lord of Light. Was that foreshadowing that Stannis will go insane in the future? So why does that foreshadow Dany’s future but didn’t foreshadow Stannis’s future? It’s almost like foreshadowing isn’t an indication of a character’s development. She’s been killing her enemies since day one like all the other Lords in Westeros. But does she enjoy it? No. Does she smile while it happens? No. Does she like to experiment with burning people? No. So where is the foreshadowing that she’s crazy? I’m sure you’ve seen Joker, you can bet it wouldn’t have been this successful if it was written by D&D.
Yeah, the ONLY issue I had with this season was that Arya didn't kill Cersei. I had really, really wanted that. I can remember after the end of S6 when Arya, as the servant girl giving Jamie the eye, thinking that it would be so awesome if she killed Jamie & took his face to get next to Cersei and kill her. For one, that would've matched the book prophecy that Cersei had gotten but was never said in the show. In the book the witch told her that "the little brother" would kill her. It's meant to imply that Tyrion would be the one, but both her brothers were younger. It would also help explain why she wanted him dead so badly...even after learning he didn't kill Joffrey....because the prophecy was coming true. Secondly, I would've loved to seen her face thinking that Jamie had literally gutted her. How shocking that would've been for the audience & the amazement of seeing it was Arya when she took off the mask. But I do understand having Sandor teaching her that lesson. It was a nice touch since he had sort of become a surrogate father for her. Still, if she had just waited like 2 more minutes Cersei would've been right there for her to kill.
No matter how much I hated Jaimes end- I totally get it though, after stewing on it and trying to get the anger out of my brain I understood that lowkey it really has been about them two siblings lol we knew it you’re right. When you’re so high and powerful as you are, you don’t see the horror of those below. Dany knows what she’s doing but she never saw it. We never saw her pov the entire time too which was a great choice
Wild how you had the same thoughts and criticism at every scene, just as we did….. as if you were around to have those convos! They rushed the F outta Dany’s turn. Ruined Jamie’s main arc of saving Kings landing from the mad King. By having him tell Tyrion he never cared. The would of his character was falling in Brienne’s arms telling that story. The villain who did the heroic thing. And cares. Wild shit.
The point of the character Jaime is he has to stay beside his love, Cersei....By this fact, surviving, for both of them, makes no sense. Good for them dying together, close as they were in the same belly...
Cersei deserved a much different death. I just scoff at her tears after Missandei. Even at the end, she's like "I don't want to die. Save ME." (Lena Headey is great. She was hoping Arya would kill Cersei.) I feel like Jaime can't do much besides giving Cersei the Lannister party line at this point whether he feels it or not. I can see reasons for all his actions that don't include wanting to be with Cersei forever, but that's another essay. I don't expect things to go down like this in the books, but that's another another essay. I don't think Jaime dying with Cersei was the right or the inevitable ending. I feel that Jaime's arc in the books is so much about separating himself from Cersei and learning that they are not one person in two bodies, she is not the female version of him, he does not have to die with her because they were born together, that this seems like a betrayal. I realize the showrunners have downplayed his growth and had him doing things he didn't do in the books (killing his cousin, telling Edmure all he cared about was Cersei, etc.). There are certainly things to criticize about BookJaime, I'm not saying there are not. And I understand that adaptations often (usually?) change things from the books, but I also reserve the right to critique those things when they make the story worse. Obviously, we don't know how things will end up in the books--I suspect that, if Daenerys burns King's Landing it might be an unfortunate circumstance of dragonfire meeting wildfire, as the wildfire has not so far been removed from underneath the city. I doubt Cersei will be the one on the throne when it happens, as there is certainly another option. Jaime may die, but I don't think it'll be like this.
I really son't care for "Cleganebowl." It seems like it was a fan thing and then they used it on the show, which I wouldn't object to if I found it compelling or warranted, I suppose.
Yeah, I've got some strong feelings about the whole Jaime x Brienne thing, too. I was never sure how mentally present the Mountain was, but then again, I always thought the dude had a screw loose to begin with, prior to zombification. Honestly, I did enjoy this re-reaction (or second-watch commentary); your genuine nature really shines through! Thanks for doing this for us. 💕
I would really be happy and enjoy if you were to react to house of the dragon I personally think it’s way better than Game of Thrones. Love both shows and I absolutely love your reactions.
heyy it’s actually in the title and i mention it throughout the video that I’m rewatching, I ended up losing the file to my first blind reaction and couldn’t get it back.. so i decided to do a rewatch reaction :)
@@MiyaElizabethReacts we are all sorry you lost it happens though... tragic it happened this episode of ALL episodes right? well at least it wasnt the series finale LOL. pray tell us, so we can at least get an idea, were very angry or shocked ... were you saying angry things to the screen etc etc ? did you initilly not believe what was happening? thanks love!
right and the child actors would just become 30 somethings by the time we get it looool and contracts with actors dont work like that... they cant wait for them.
No matter how much I hated Jaimes end- I totally get it though, after stewing on it and trying to get the anger out of my brain I understood that lowkey it really has been about them two siblings lol we knew it you’re right. When you’re so high and powerful as you are, you don’t see the horror of those below. Dany knows what she’s doing but she never saw it. We never saw her pov the entire time too which was a great choice
Whoever likes or doesn’t like the story can not deny that this was one of the MOST beautiful cinematography on TV ever
I think what the show runners wanted to convey with the Mountain is that he is a walking killer Frankenstein only to obey orders, but seeing his younger brother, and suddenly not following orders was to show how much hatred the Mountain feels for him. Basically the opposite of how in shows/movies, they always show “love” conquering all? Like someone can be under a spell, or in any situation, some how love surpasses and beats the odds. This was like, the Mountain’s hatred towards his younger brother was stronger than any other feeling the Mountain has ever had.
Tyrion adopts the perspective of the audience. The audience was very much also in denial of how much evil Dany was capable of. They knew her to be ruthless and impulsive, but naively believed such a person would nevertheless be sated with the people of KL surrendering. As far as Dany was concerned, it was a case of 'too little, too late.'
That was the thing. Dany’s story was told from Tyrion’s POV and not Dany’s going back to season 7. That’s why people have a hard time understanding why Dany did what she did. He believed in her. The audience believed in her. That’s why we think the heal turn was rushed, but if you are Tyrion then yes you are horrified and saying “WTF IS THIS ISH!!!”
.when they surrendered and she kept going, I lost it.
12:36: it’s a variation of the rains of castamerre. Or at least the orchestral version. It’s essentially been the Lannister motif for the show since at least season 2. Fitting for their send off.
It’s Light if the Seven and the Rains of Castemerre.
When I try not to think abt what is happening storewide in Game of Thrones as a whole, this episode can be pretty enjoyable to watch. Almost like a medieval disaster movie
1:29: “there’s a beast in every man, and it stirs when you put a sword in his hand!” - Jorah Mormont
I agree. Really good episode. It did a good job of showing the horrors of war. The only bad part of the episode is the Jamie/Euron scene. The odds of them meeting at the shore was a million to one. So I agree with you on that as well. Lazy writing.
A million to one? Are there like a million beaches around the Red Keep peninsula? Where the hell do you think Euron would go after losing his ship? Swim to the horizon?
Glad your back and feeling good!
Lena Headey was one of the outstanding actors in this show (amongst all the other great actors). I already knew her from the movie "Imagine me & you" (2005); if you haven't seen this romcom, you should definitely watch it; much lighter material!
Same here. It's one of my top 3 movies. She's an excellent actor. Her not winning an Emmy for Cersei is such a crime.
It has been fun going on this journey with you. Thank you for sharing. 👑👍
They ruined everyone’s character arcs in 6 episodes. Such a shame. I agree with Dany going mad because it was foreshadowed through the series but they did it in 0-100. They needed more episodes or another season to fully develop this ending.
And what is the foreshadowing? I've watched this series 3 times, i don't recall anything that foreshadows this.
The original ask was for 10 seasons with 10 episodes, and a feature film extended length trilogy like Lord of the Rings. HBO immediately shot that down and said, "we do not make box office movies". They agreed to 8 seasons. I think there were some production issues in the later seasons, which HBO was not happy about. They decided to cut the 10 episodes in season 8 down to 6 and said they just wanted to "move on from the show", because they wanted to focus on things like the Chernobyl miniseries.
The pacing is so off because of some suits at HBO who did not understand the value of what they were holding. If they did 10 seasons and 3 extended length movies, GoT would have gone down in history as the greatest franchise ever created.
@@B_B-420 I don't know where you got that information from but according to Entertainment, it was mostly D&D who wanted to wrap things up.
“This is the hard part of what we do,” sighs HBO programming president Michael Lombardo. “We started this journey with David and Dan. It’s their vision. Would I love the show to go 10 years as both a fan and a network executive? Absolutely.”
"I don’t know. Ask David and Dan when they come through. We could have gone to 11, 12, 13 seasons, but I guess they wanted a life. If you’ve read my novels, you know there was enough material for more seasons. They made certain cuts, but that’s fine. - George R. R. Martin.
"HBO would have been happy for the show to keep going, to have more episodes in the final season. We always believed it was about 73 hours, and it will be roughly that. As much as they wanted more, they understood that this is where the story ends" - Game of Thrones showrunners David Benioff & D. B. Weiss
"HBO isn’t keen on a Thrones film even if it’s a potential box office blockbuster, however, because the format switch could be construed as snubbing their loyal subscribers. “Certainly there have been conversations where it’s been said, ‘Wouldn’t it be cool to do that?’” Lombardo said. “But when you start a series with our subscribers, the promise is that for your HBO fee that we’re going to take you to the end of this. I feel that on some level [a movie would be] changing the rules: Now you have to pay $16 to see how your show ends.”
@@BhBc8f8 She's been burning people alive since Mirri Maz Dur in Season 1. Crucifying the Masters. Threatening to burn everyone in Qarth. Repeatedly just being like "cities will burn." Burning random noblemen in Mereen to punish the Sons of the Harpy without knowing who was responsible. Burning the Tarlys. Her whole attitude re: Jon, Sansa, and the North.
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 Hasn’t Stannis been doing the exact same thing? Burning people who refuse to bend the knee and offering their souls to the Lord of Light. Was that foreshadowing that Stannis will go insane in the future? So why does that foreshadow Dany’s future but didn’t foreshadow Stannis’s future? It’s almost like foreshadowing isn’t an indication of a character’s development.
She’s been killing her enemies since day one like all the other Lords in Westeros. But does she enjoy it? No. Does she smile while it happens? No. Does she like to experiment with burning people? No. So where is the foreshadowing that she’s crazy? I’m sure you’ve seen Joker, you can bet it wouldn’t have been this successful if it was written by D&D.
Dany deserved better so much. They destroyed her
Yeah, the ONLY issue I had with this season was that Arya didn't kill Cersei. I had really, really wanted that. I can remember after the end of S6 when Arya, as the servant girl giving Jamie the eye, thinking that it would be so awesome if she killed Jamie & took his face to get next to Cersei and kill her.
For one, that would've matched the book prophecy that Cersei had gotten but was never said in the show. In the book the witch told her that "the little brother" would kill her. It's meant to imply that Tyrion would be the one, but both her brothers were younger. It would also help explain why she wanted him dead so badly...even after learning he didn't kill Joffrey....because the prophecy was coming true. Secondly, I would've loved to seen her face thinking that Jamie had literally gutted her. How shocking that would've been for the audience & the amazement of seeing it was Arya when she took off the mask.
But I do understand having Sandor teaching her that lesson. It was a nice touch since he had sort of become a surrogate father for her. Still, if she had just waited like 2 more minutes Cersei would've been right there for her to kill.
The writers did Dany WRONG.
Nah
No matter how much I hated Jaimes end- I totally get it though, after stewing on it and trying to get the anger out of my brain I understood that lowkey it really has been about them two siblings lol we knew it you’re right.
When you’re so high and powerful as you are, you don’t see the horror of those below. Dany knows what she’s doing but she never saw it.
We never saw her pov the entire time too which was a great choice
At 3:41, interesting to see that there is still wild fire ...
Arya and the Hound paralleling ….. like I cant with how well the episode was done
Jaime and Brianne didn’t deserve for Jamie to go out like that. 😢
I think Euron would never die on the sea because he is kinda connected to the god of the sea
Wild how you had the same thoughts and criticism at every scene, just as we did….. as if you were around to have those convos! They rushed the F outta Dany’s turn. Ruined Jamie’s main arc of saving Kings landing from the mad King. By having him tell Tyrion he never cared. The would of his character was falling in Brienne’s arms telling that story. The villain who did the heroic thing. And cares. Wild shit.
You’re the best
The point of the character Jaime is he has to stay beside his love, Cersei....By this fact, surviving, for both of them, makes no sense. Good for them dying together, close as they were in the same belly...
Cersei deserved a much different death. I just scoff at her tears after Missandei. Even at the end, she's like "I don't want to die. Save ME." (Lena Headey is great. She was hoping Arya would kill Cersei.)
I feel like Jaime can't do much besides giving Cersei the Lannister party line at this point whether he feels it or not. I can see reasons for all his actions that don't include wanting to be with Cersei forever, but that's another essay. I don't expect things to go down like this in the books, but that's another another essay. I don't think Jaime dying with Cersei was the right or the inevitable ending. I feel that Jaime's arc in the books is so much about separating himself from Cersei and learning that they are not one person in two bodies, she is not the female version of him, he does not have to die with her because they were born together, that this seems like a betrayal. I realize the showrunners have downplayed his growth and had him doing things he didn't do in the books (killing his cousin, telling Edmure all he cared about was Cersei, etc.). There are certainly things to criticize about BookJaime, I'm not saying there are not. And I understand that adaptations often (usually?) change things from the books, but I also reserve the right to critique those things when they make the story worse.
Obviously, we don't know how things will end up in the books--I suspect that, if Daenerys burns King's Landing it might be an unfortunate circumstance of dragonfire meeting wildfire, as the wildfire has not so far been removed from underneath the city. I doubt Cersei will be the one on the throne when it happens, as there is certainly another option. Jaime may die, but I don't think it'll be like this.
Can you watch Honest Trailers GOT Season 6-8? lmao
Lena Headey's performance and the set designs were the only good things about this episode.
I really son't care for "Cleganebowl." It seems like it was a fan thing and then they used it on the show, which I wouldn't object to if I found it compelling or warranted, I suppose.
Yeah, I've got some strong feelings about the whole Jaime x Brienne thing, too. I was never sure how mentally present the Mountain was, but then again, I always thought the dude had a screw loose to begin with, prior to zombification. Honestly, I did enjoy this re-reaction (or second-watch commentary); your genuine nature really shines through! Thanks for doing this for us. 💕
Idc Team Danny forever
Please react to house of the dragon!!🙏🏻It's really not like the last seasons of GOT it's so good and it stayed true to the book
HOTD is for the people who thought the point of GOT was to root for terrible people.
GOT last seasons had some really good and iconic episodes despite the lack of source material a decade latter.
@@ianvera4299 true. Like battle of the bastards and winds of winter. Those were my favourite. But s8 made no sense 😭
@@keanancupido The bells made sense....
I would really be happy and enjoy if you were to react to house of the dragon I personally think it’s way better than Game of Thrones. Love both shows and I absolutely love your reactions.
HOTD being better than GOT when they have only 1 season is a premature move lol
I’m confused because your commentary sounds like you’ve already seen this episode before. Have I missed something?
heyy it’s actually in the title and i mention it throughout the video that I’m rewatching, I ended up losing the file to my first blind reaction and couldn’t get it back.. so i decided to do a rewatch reaction :)
@@MiyaElizabethReacts tbf I resumed playing halfway today so I missed that. Thanks for explaining though.
@@MiyaElizabethReacts we are all sorry you lost it happens though... tragic it happened this episode of ALL episodes right? well at least it wasnt the series finale LOL. pray tell us, so we can at least get an idea, were very angry or shocked ... were you saying angry things to the screen etc etc ? did you initilly not believe what was happening? thanks love!
They ruined an amazing story all because they couldn't wait for the next book and wanted to just wrap up
If they'd waited for the next book we still wouldn't have anything past Season 5 lol.
Nothing was ruined, HOTD proves that. And guess what, the next book is still not DONE.
right and the child actors would just become 30 somethings by the time we get it looool and contracts with actors dont work like that... they cant wait for them.
Whoever likes or doesn’t like the story can not deny that this was one of the MOST beautiful cinematography on TV ever
No matter how much I hated Jaimes end- I totally get it though, after stewing on it and trying to get the anger out of my brain I understood that lowkey it really has been about them two siblings lol we knew it you’re right.
When you’re so high and powerful as you are, you don’t see the horror of those below. Dany knows what she’s doing but she never saw it.
We never saw her pov the entire time too which was a great choice
Whoever likes or doesn’t like the story can not deny that this was one of the MOST beautiful cinematography on TV ever
Indeed...its a shame it was wasted on such a disgrace of a story...or non Canon seasons that destroy the entire story of the books.
@@slenderfoxx3797 funny i see no book 6 or 7... this was based on the outline george gave them. how much is his or not is up for debate.