Resistance, capacitance and inductance are the three components of impedance. And impedance is an AC property. Digital signal transmission is not an AC function, it's a DC function. And parity checks are there to ensure that if any data is corrupted, it gets caught and corrected before it's converted to AC so it can be broadcast to the speaker(s). All those very basic fundamentals understood, one can easily see why cables have no ability to have an effect on digital signal transmission. Assuming the conductors are large enough to carry the current, which is seriously tiny. But hey, psychoacoustics is definitely real....
If noise weren't a factor in sound quality and system performance, everything you just said would be true. (Except the part about error correction as that doesn't happen in USB audio transfers)
If noise weren't a factor in sound quality and system performance, everything you just said would be true. (Except the part about error correction as that doesn't happen in USB audio transfers)
Hi lachlan, cables is like doing Australian Rules Football on a minefield.....Science has proven time and time this issue is a non starter.......monster cable have so much to answer for.....
There is super easy way to know IF the USB cable actually does anything to the sound. Take super uber highress audio file. Send it to external drive or memory card with different cables. Now take the files back with the same cables to the computer. Open sound editing software and compare the files. IF they are 100% same then what does it mean? You guessed it. If the files are not the same you got cable that actually remaster the sound by it self to better. Now that is some harry potter magic and you have now made history by proving unicorn and witches to be real :D
Unfortunately this isn’t enough to test the cable. From what I understand copying a file using usb is a different process to isochronous real-time USB audio. A file copy does checks to ensure the file was copying perfectly. These checks are impossible with real-time USB audio
@@therumbler The USB audio 1.0 had problems BUT USB audio 2.0 has speed of a 480 MB/s. Packets are 100% secure and clocking is done in a DAC so no jitter problems either. In home with 1 - 2 meter USB 2.0 cable pulls your data is 100% secure. 100%
You're overlooking the influence of noise transmitted (and filtered) by the cable. No one is suggesting that the data is altered or damaged by any USB cable.
@@PassionforSound if you got hisses or noises you got faulty system anyway and spending hundreds on a bandage like new USB cable isnt the right way to go.
Bought the Ricable Invictus from the australian website few months ago, quite a significant difference in sound it made in my system, was previously using an audioquest USB cable.
I'm using the Excalibur for some time now. I'm going to try the Magnus on your behalf. If its not the truth what you just said I buy a ticket Amsterdam Sidney to collect the money i spend on this Magnus . And, by the way : Nice video again 👍
I've got an Oyaide too - not sure if it's the same as yours, it's a flat one - and the Magnus is much better to my ears. Interesting that the RCAs are good too. Thanks for letting us know.
If you need a longish length USB cable (up to 15m), I'd say go for the basic Supra cable. For a 4m run I paid £60 in Apr '23. The length I required was the main reason I bought it -- can't say I've heard much difference in USB cables, just wanted to be sure distance wasn't going to be a problem. I leave it to my DDC, DAC and external clock to ensure things sound optimal.
I've been using the QED Reference High Resolution USB cable for a few years now. It's their top usb cable and I don't feel the need to change it. You can get it for £75 in UK.
I feel left out of the cable argument clique as I've just been listening to a CD of Enrico Caruso's first recordings starting with the AICC And Pathe Discs and Cylinders, Recorded between 1900 and 1901. Wet string would probably reproduce these recordings as good as the most expensive cables 😁 I guess my point being that it's no good dropping a second mortgage on equipment if what you listen to comes from sources that sound just as good on budget equipment. I do listen to modern recordings but then I hit old age hearing issues, I tried my friends £1600 Hifiman HE1000SE and couldn't really tell any difference between them and my Edition XS ones with historic recordings. I've listened to some modern demo music designed to show off headphones, and I'd rather listen to most of it through wet string 😬 Have a great Christmas and I hope Santa brings you all the Vegimite flavoured ice cream you can eat. 😂
Now I can't decide between the AA Audio SG USB and the Ricable Invictus😫 Does anyone have a brief summary on how they might compare against each other?
you CAN NOT use (USB) cables to change the sound of your system ...its physically impossible ... coming from an engineer so not some opinion but hard facts.
As I understand it, the noise can originate from the source device (e.g. computer) and/or can be picked up from the environment. From there it can enter the downstream DAC and mess with the timing accuracy and/or the output stage of the DAC. It will depend partly on the design of the DAC exactly where and how noise might travel. There also might be more to it still that I don't understand. I've got a video coming up next describing why it matters so much though.
I appreciate your reviews of cables, and I suspect many people will find it hard to believe and understand their importance, but who cares my friend, you’re doing us all a service. 👌🏼🤘🏻
snake oil! It is already quite difficult to tell the difference between electronics and speakers above 1000 USD. There are plenty of blind test and measurement available validating that.cables either work or not period.
Resistance, capacitance and inductance are the three components of impedance. And impedance is an AC property. Digital signal transmission is not an AC function, it's a DC function. And parity checks are there to ensure that if any data is corrupted, it gets caught and corrected before it's converted to AC so it can be broadcast to the speaker(s).
All those very basic fundamentals understood, one can easily see why cables have no ability to have an effect on digital signal transmission. Assuming the conductors are large enough to carry the current, which is seriously tiny.
But hey, psychoacoustics is definitely real....
If noise weren't a factor in sound quality and system performance, everything you just said would be true. (Except the part about error correction as that doesn't happen in USB audio transfers)
If noise weren't a factor in sound quality and system performance, everything you just said would be true. (Except the part about error correction as that doesn't happen in USB audio transfers)
@@PassionforSound Show me a specification that shows how USB audio uses the standard any differently than other data transfers.
@27b-6Buttle just do a Google search for yourself. I'm not here to convince anyone if anything.
So, if l connect my printer with this type of cable I'll get more vivid, more contrasty, better saturated prints. Amazing.
magic 😂
@@ericshutter5305 FM no static at all.
LMFAOOOOO BRUH NAW...
PLACEBO IS GOING STRONG IN THIS VIDEO...
cable arguments incoming. Annnnnnd GO!!!!!
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@@PassionforSound I have no idea why USB cables have come under marketing of audio.
Because they influence the performance of audio systems
@@PassionforSound How can they cause any differences on the other side of the DAC ?
@@PassionforSound love the fact that you stand your ground on the cable opinions.
Hi lachlan, cables is like doing Australian Rules Football on a minefield.....Science has proven time and time this issue is a non starter.......monster cable have so much to answer for.....
You might be surprised in a couple of days with some of the available science and what it tells us...
@@PassionforSound show us the data please...i bet no change to SQ
There is super easy way to know IF the USB cable actually does anything to the sound. Take super uber highress audio file. Send it to external drive or memory card with different cables. Now take the files back with the same cables to the computer. Open sound editing software and compare the files. IF they are 100% same then what does it mean? You guessed it. If the files are not the same you got cable that actually remaster the sound by it self to better. Now that is some harry potter magic and you have now made history by proving unicorn and witches to be real :D
Unfortunately this isn’t enough to test the cable. From what I understand copying a file using usb is a different process to isochronous real-time USB audio. A file copy does checks to ensure the file was copying perfectly. These checks are impossible with real-time USB audio
@@therumbler The USB audio 1.0 had problems BUT USB audio 2.0 has speed of a 480 MB/s. Packets are 100% secure and clocking is done in a DAC so no jitter problems either. In home with 1 - 2 meter USB 2.0 cable pulls your data is 100% secure. 100%
You're overlooking the influence of noise transmitted (and filtered) by the cable. No one is suggesting that the data is altered or damaged by any USB cable.
@@PassionforSound if you got hisses or noises you got faulty system anyway and spending hundreds on a bandage like new USB cable isnt the right way to go.
It's not that kind of noise. System noise doesn't have to be obviously audible to make a difference to our perception of the system's sound
Bought the Ricable Invictus from the australian website few months ago, quite a significant difference in sound it made in my system, was previously using an audioquest USB cable.
NOT POSSIBLE as a digital bitperfect stream is always EXACTLY THE SAME DATA ... only very bad cables can degrade the digital data.
I'm using the Excalibur for some time now. I'm going to try the Magnus on your behalf. If its not the truth what you just said I buy a ticket Amsterdam Sidney to collect the money i spend on this Magnus .
And, by the way :
Nice video again 👍
Haha. I think you'll be safe to not make that trip, but do drop in and let me know what you think once you try it
Have you ever tried a USB reclocker? Wondering where $ is better spent: on a reclocker or on a better USB cable....
I use the Singxer SU-6 DDC which also reclocks and I'd recommend something like that ahead of cables because I think the impact is larger.
Thank you sir 🫡
I'm running the Ricable Magnus RCAs and they sound great. Currently using the Oyaide Elec D + Neo USB cable but might try the Ricable Magnus USB also.
I've got an Oyaide too - not sure if it's the same as yours, it's a flat one - and the Magnus is much better to my ears. Interesting that the RCAs are good too. Thanks for letting us know.
If you need a longish length USB cable (up to 15m), I'd say go for the basic Supra cable. For a 4m run I paid £60 in Apr '23. The length I required was the main reason I bought it -- can't say I've heard much difference in USB cables, just wanted to be sure distance wasn't going to be a problem. I leave it to my DDC, DAC and external clock to ensure things sound optimal.
According to their marketing, the Ricables are also very good for long runs, but I haven't tested anything over 1m from them.
I've been using the QED Reference High Resolution USB cable for a few years now. It's their top usb cable and I don't feel the need to change it. You can get it for £75 in UK.
Nice price. I haven't tried that one, but would love to find better and cheaper options to recommend.
An Australian complaining that the USB connector is upside-down. Oh the irony.
LOL 😂🇦🇺
Did you had a chance to listen to the raal 1995 immanis?
also do you think about reviewing it?
I'd love to review it, but currently have no easy access to Raal products for review.
I feel left out of the cable argument clique as I've just been listening to a CD of Enrico Caruso's first recordings starting with the AICC And Pathe Discs and Cylinders, Recorded between 1900 and 1901. Wet string would probably reproduce these recordings as good as the most expensive cables 😁 I guess my point being that it's no good dropping a second mortgage on equipment if what you listen to comes from sources that sound just as good on budget equipment. I do listen to modern recordings but then I hit old age hearing issues, I tried my friends £1600 Hifiman HE1000SE and couldn't really tell any difference between them and my Edition XS ones with historic recordings. I've listened to some modern demo music designed to show off headphones, and I'd rather listen to most of it through wet string 😬 Have a great Christmas and I hope Santa brings you all the Vegimite flavoured ice cream you can eat. 😂
Very good point, Trevor! Merry Christmas, but I'll pass on the Vegemite icecream. 😂😂🎄🎄
Now I can't decide between the AA Audio SG USB and the Ricable Invictus😫
Does anyone have a brief summary on how they might compare against each other?
I compared them directly here: th-cam.com/video/DPSgLr-adQI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=wZraCk4Kb6RjmOXw
I hope that helps!
For the price, I’d rather invest in a DDC… which I did.
That's fair enough. It's a good investment.
A great video but not for me as my digital source (Mac Mini) is over 10 feet away from my DAC I did not even look into such lengths lol.
Yep. I wouldn't do USB over that distance either.
you CAN NOT use (USB) cables to change the sound of your system ...its physically impossible ... coming from an engineer so not some opinion but hard facts.
Bruh
Cables make zero difference with digital signals. There isn’t any difference in “clarity” or “depth”. There isn’t any difference period.
I disagree.
Of course it would not be a cable discussion if a flat earther didn’t chime in 😅. You don’t have to watch those videos, buddy.
Why do you insist on torturing yourself then w these videos?
Stay tuned folks. Two days to go until I can explain exactly why cables matter. 🙂
There exists NO AUDIO in USB cables.
No, just fluctuating voltages and noise...
@@PassionforSound How can that "noise" get to the other side of the DAC ??
As I understand it, the noise can originate from the source device (e.g. computer) and/or can be picked up from the environment. From there it can enter the downstream DAC and mess with the timing accuracy and/or the output stage of the DAC.
It will depend partly on the design of the DAC exactly where and how noise might travel. There also might be more to it still that I don't understand. I've got a video coming up next describing why it matters so much though.
@@PassionforSound How can any USB cable make or break noise pollution that is outside the design and responsibility of the DAC ?
Mo0st cables sound like snake oil to me 🤪
Absolute nonsense
Yet you clicked & watched the video
You don’t know impedance yet you talk so much
I appreciate your reviews of cables, and I suspect many people will find it hard to believe and understand their importance, but who cares my friend, you’re doing us all a service. 👌🏼🤘🏻
Thanks for letting me know they're valuable to some people. I've got a video coming up next explaining at least some of why they make a difference.
Maybe some day audio bruhs will make medical devices.
snake oil! It is already quite difficult to tell the difference between electronics and speakers above 1000 USD. There are plenty of blind test and measurement available validating that.cables either work or not period.
Lookout Lachlan cable Karens incoming 👀
Yep. They've been busy already. Did you know that what I've heard with these cables is impossible?? Yep, impossible! 😉😉
@@PassionforSound I use to be skeptical but thats science in and of itself
Reeeee!!
At this point it's just for clout
What do you mean?