Long term Meraki user here. Heck I even have 4 years and 299 days left on my licenses, but recently I moved to Pfsense. Main reason for ditching the Meraki MX64 firewall is that we've outgrown it. Being limited at 250Mbit on the WAN side is a 50% reduction of my internet speed (the ISP does give use a "free" speed increase every year or so). After having tested Pfsense as a VM on a Synology DS1621+ for a week, I bought the Netgate 6100 box. So last Friday I received my Netgate (with 4 years hardware support contract). Man am I blown away by it. Yes Meraki has some nifty features, though I don't think I'll miss them that much on our home network. Im quite certain the Netgate box will serve me well for the next few years.
@@NetgateOfficial Sweet! Now I wonder if I should cancel the wallmount order which I added to my order "just in case". I was planning on having it rest on top of my switch in the meantime. This is truly fabulous news, thanks!
@@ImTheKaiser Hi Kai, Thank your for your extensive explanation! It helps a lot. I currently own a DIY box running pfCE with a i5-5250U for a 600Down/50Up connection. My current setup has my desktop/NAS/Servers in the same subnet and only IOT, GUEST in a VLAN. My switch has 4 SPF+ connections for the desktop/NAS/Servers, the rest is all 1gbit. Currently that is enough but were planning to move to a new house which has 1gbit/1gbit connection and will be upgraded to 5/5 and even 10/10 in the future. Do I need it? NO, but my current setup does saturate the 10gbe line when transferring large files to my NAS (I edit alot of 4k video). In the future I want to segregate the network further and not have the servers and desktops/laptops on the same subnet/VLAN. Thats were my current setup is lacking L3 and 10gbe routing. My unifi USW PRO does support L3 switching but its not known for being excellent at this. So my two options would be: pfSense router with 10Gbe connection, or adding a L3 switch for the routing. Would adding a small L3 switch, and trunking it to the bigger unifi switch work? I have alot of POE devices connected to it now.
@@ImTheKaiser Hi Kai, thank you for the testing! Bridging is indeed not preferred, and not necessary in my setup. My setup would consist of one trunk port or a LAGG of the two 10G ports (trunk as well). Good to know that it holds it speed enough to be a lot faster than a single 1gbit link. The VPN part is a bit concerning, was that with OpenVPN? Currently my VPN connection is limited by my ISP provider's speed but the CPU doesn't reach above 25% load. A solution would be to use a OpenVPN server on my powerful home lab server instead of it running on the pfSense box, but that is less convenience.
Looks like an awesome product gentlemen! I've already recommended purchasing 2 of these units. Couple of questions. When the day comes when the LTE & WiFI cards are available, how would external antennas be connected? Is there a future faceplate option that would host the M.2 card connectors to SMA / RP-SMA connectors? Will Netgate be offering 1G and 10G copper transceivers also? Suggestion. I'm using SG-3100's at some sites which I'll be replacing soon with the 6100's. Is there a Netgate available "config converter" available I could push my existing config's thru to make the replacement easier? That would be SUPER handy! Looking forward to receiving my 6100's and great job on, what looks to be, an awesome product!!!
can you use the lan interfaces as dedicated routed interfaces (assign IP addresses to each and every one of them?) can you aggregate those 4 LAN ports in a trunk and tagg vlans ? Can you install freeradius on the 6100MAX?
Hello. Very interested on this product for a project on railway in France ..but impossible to found the MTBF information....where is this information? Thanks.
Very keen on this model. Need a replacement for my veterinary hospitals two aging Netgate SG-4860 units and these may be the ticket, even if not in rack format. The higher IPSEC performance and fiber interfaces will be useful as we are building a larger hospital and will need to keep both in operation at the same time together.
I have a 6100 and would now like to add a SSD. Can you please let me know where I can source a B+M key NVMe SSD? I have contacted Netgate support for assistance and they have been hopeless. They are not even aware of what type of connectors/SSD are supported in the 6100 and are just recommending standard NVMe drives which will not fit in the device, very poor customer service...
Hi, Yes the SSD is hard to find. It was not our design choice. Your best option would be to look at KingSpec or similar brand. We have not been able to find them commercially in the USA.
On "AliExxxxxx" a 128Gb drive with the right connectic is in the $10-15 range (KingSpec ssd m2 sata 2280 128 go M2 NGFF SATA SSD M.2)... so $100 more for 128Gb is really exaggerated from Netgate
I have question 🤔 is this can handle 50 user simultaneously have a traffic in and out, also in heat is this device can still work even if the device reach 45C temperature? like stress testing the device if can handle it like months not rebooting it or shutdown.
Yes, as soon as FreeBSD supports WiFi 7. I'm sure the FreeBSD team could use help with this, so please reach out to them directly if you can assist in any way.
@@rashie Hi! The FreeBSD project is run by the FreeBSD Foundation, not by Netgate. Netgate contributes to the software development of FreeBSD. You can see all the work occurring and calls for assistance on their website www.freebsd.org/
No, for a couple of reasons: ECC is more expensive, and you really don't need ECC when using this as a router. The networking protocol is designed to take care of any errors.
@@goldfingerdash Hi! Open to your suggestions. We've stared at it six ways from Sunday. How do you balance requests for "simplicity" for the beginner with "flexible" for the expert?
On "AliExxxxxx" a 128Gb drive with the right connectic is in the $10-15 range (KingSpec ssd m2 sata 2280 128 go M2 NGFF SATA SSD M.2)... so $100 more for 128Gb is really exaggerated from Netgate
why not write something on the side what button does what? and add some hight to the plastic so we can simply push it? And in video you dont even say what button does what! geeee
I don't know for sure, but I can posit that the button control can be modified to do other things (reset, halt, etc.). I'll ask and point out your good feedback. Thanks!
The Netgate 5100 has reached EOL. Supply chain difficulties, ever increasing component prices, late shipments, etc. The Intel i210 (1GbE) is now impossible to get, so moving to the Intel i225 (2.5 GbE) was the right choice.
Long term Meraki user here. Heck I even have 4 years and 299 days left on my licenses, but recently I moved to Pfsense. Main reason for ditching the Meraki MX64 firewall is that we've outgrown it. Being limited at 250Mbit on the WAN side is a 50% reduction of my internet speed (the ISP does give use a "free" speed increase every year or so). After having tested Pfsense as a VM on a Synology DS1621+ for a week, I bought the Netgate 6100 box. So last Friday I received my Netgate (with 4 years hardware support contract). Man am I blown away by it. Yes Meraki has some nifty features, though I don't think I'll miss them that much on our home network. Im quite certain the Netgate box will serve me well for the next few years.
It would be great if you had a rackmount option for this
It's in development. Look for it in Q2 2022.
Could have sworn I saw this five days ago. I'm going to ask for rackmount ears again! Pretty please?
Will definitely pass along your request
@@NetgateOfficial how or where can i buy your devices in México?
Hi David, We have a rack mount kit in development. It should be available in Q2 2022.
@@NetgateOfficial Sweet! Now I wonder if I should cancel the wallmount order which I added to my order "just in case". I was planning on having it rest on top of my switch in the meantime. This is truly fabulous news, thanks!
Here's the rack mount kit: shop.netgate.com/collections/accessories/products/4100-6100-1u-rack-mount-kit
Very nice product. To check: would it be possible to use one of the Sfp+ cages for 10gbe wan, and the other one for 10gbe lan?
@@ImTheKaiser Thanks for your reply. I understand that, but its more about the internal hardware. Does the CPU have enough power to route 10gbe etc.
@@ImTheKaiser Hi Kai, Thank your for your extensive explanation! It helps a lot. I currently own a DIY box running pfCE with a i5-5250U for a 600Down/50Up connection. My current setup has my desktop/NAS/Servers in the same subnet and only IOT, GUEST in a VLAN. My switch has 4 SPF+ connections for the desktop/NAS/Servers, the rest is all 1gbit. Currently that is enough but were planning to move to a new house which has 1gbit/1gbit connection and will be upgraded to 5/5 and even 10/10 in the future. Do I need it? NO, but my current setup does saturate the 10gbe line when transferring large files to my NAS (I edit alot of 4k video). In the future I want to segregate the network further and not have the servers and desktops/laptops on the same subnet/VLAN. Thats were my current setup is lacking L3 and 10gbe routing. My unifi USW PRO does support L3 switching but its not known for being excellent at this. So my two options would be: pfSense router with 10Gbe connection, or adding a L3 switch for the routing. Would adding a small L3 switch, and trunking it to the bigger unifi switch work? I have alot of POE devices connected to it now.
@@ImTheKaiser Thank you! And im look forward to your results! Real world experience is always the best comparison.
@@ImTheKaiser Hi Kai, thank you for the testing! Bridging is indeed not preferred, and not necessary in my setup. My setup would consist of one trunk port or a LAGG of the two 10G ports (trunk as well). Good to know that it holds it speed enough to be a lot faster than a single 1gbit link.
The VPN part is a bit concerning, was that with OpenVPN? Currently my VPN connection is limited by my ISP provider's speed but the CPU doesn't reach above 25% load. A solution would be to use a OpenVPN server on my powerful home lab server instead of it running on the pfSense box, but that is less convenience.
Looks like an awesome product gentlemen! I've already recommended purchasing 2 of these units. Couple of questions. When the day comes when the LTE & WiFI cards are available, how would external antennas be connected? Is there a future faceplate option that would host the M.2 card connectors to SMA / RP-SMA connectors? Will Netgate be offering 1G and 10G copper transceivers also?
Suggestion. I'm using SG-3100's at some sites which I'll be replacing soon with the 6100's. Is there a Netgate available "config converter" available I could push my existing config's thru to make the replacement easier? That would be SUPER handy!
Looking forward to receiving my 6100's and great job on, what looks to be, an awesome product!!!
the drive is the Innodisk DEM28-A28DD1ECCQF, industrial specs from 5+ years ago basically match every nvme now for $40
can you use the lan interfaces as dedicated routed interfaces (assign IP addresses to each and every one of them?) can you aggregate those 4 LAN ports in a trunk and tagg vlans ?
Can you install freeradius on the 6100MAX?
Hello. Very interested on this product for a project on railway in France ..but impossible to found the MTBF information....where is this information? Thanks.
We do not have the complete data to calculate MTBF estimates at this time.
I have a request for a rack mount kit for this unit. You have designed a wall mount kit. Why not have a rack mount kit as an option as well?
Hi Matt, We have a rack mount kit in development. Look for it in Q2 2022.
Hi Matt, Here's the rack mount kit: shop.netgate.com/collections/accessories/products/4100-6100-1u-rack-mount-kit
@@NetgateOfficial Looks awesome!! Thank you
Very keen on this model. Need a replacement for my veterinary hospitals two aging Netgate SG-4860 units and these may be the ticket, even if not in rack format. The higher IPSEC performance and fiber interfaces will be useful as we are building a larger hospital and will need to keep both in operation at the same time together.
Hi! We have a rack mount in development. It should be available in Q2 2022.
I have a 6100 and would now like to add a SSD. Can you please let me know where I can source a B+M key NVMe SSD? I have contacted Netgate support for assistance and they have been hopeless. They are not even aware of what type of connectors/SSD are supported in the 6100 and are just recommending standard NVMe drives which will not fit in the device, very poor customer service...
Hi, Yes the SSD is hard to find. It was not our design choice. Your best option would be to look at KingSpec or similar brand. We have not been able to find them commercially in the USA.
On "AliExxxxxx" a 128Gb drive with the right connectic is in the $10-15 range (KingSpec ssd m2 sata 2280 128 go M2 NGFF SATA SSD M.2)... so $100 more for 128Gb is really exaggerated from Netgate
I have question 🤔 is this can handle 50 user simultaneously have a traffic in and out, also in heat is this device can still work even if the device reach 45C temperature? like stress testing the device if can handle it like months not rebooting it or shutdown.
Will the 6100 be updated to optimize for WiFi 7?
Yes, as soon as FreeBSD supports WiFi 7. I'm sure the FreeBSD team could use help with this, so please reach out to them directly if you can assist in any way.
@@NetgateOfficial Thanks! Does FreeBSD get updated directly or waits for Netgate? If Netgate, how often does the update happen?
@@rashie Hi! The FreeBSD project is run by the FreeBSD Foundation, not by Netgate. Netgate contributes to the software development of FreeBSD. You can see all the work occurring and calls for assistance on their website www.freebsd.org/
How or where i can buy your devices in México?
ordered one ;-)
Such a bad user info. So which button is reset and shutdown?
Would it be hard to include a paper in the box with this info?
Totally agree. The documentation is online with a picture, but if your router is offline, you won't be able to see the picture.... We'll work on it.
is the ram ecc?
No, for a couple of reasons: ECC is more expensive, and you really don't need ECC when using this as a router. The networking protocol is designed to take care of any errors.
sfp+ for wan ok , but why not sfp+ for lan ?
sfp+ for LAN would be ok as well. The ports can be configured however you like.
@@NetgateOfficial The name labeling is confusing since you can use any port for anything. Netgate should consider revising the naming scheme.
@@goldfingerdash Hi! Open to your suggestions. We've stared at it six ways from Sunday. How do you balance requests for "simplicity" for the beginner with "flexible" for the expert?
I want one
LOL, now these units cost 799 and respectively 899 and are using SATA M2 storage cards.
On "AliExxxxxx" a 128Gb drive with the right connectic is in the $10-15 range (KingSpec ssd m2 sata 2280 128 go M2 NGFF SATA SSD M.2)... so $100 more for 128Gb is really exaggerated from Netgate
why not write something on the side what button does what? and add some hight to the plastic so we can simply push it?
And in video you dont even say what button does what! geeee
I don't know for sure, but I can posit that the button control can be modified to do other things (reset, halt, etc.). I'll ask and point out your good feedback. Thanks!
Are you serious?? $800 for the BASE version and you ensured it cannot take standard SSD? Thanks, you just lost a customer.
The non-standard SSD was not our call. We were surprised as well. The cost of goods and shipping in 2022 is just ... insanity.
So, why would anyone buy 5100 anymore?
The Netgate 5100 has reached EOL. Supply chain difficulties, ever increasing component prices, late shipments, etc. The Intel i210 (1GbE) is now impossible to get, so moving to the Intel i225 (2.5 GbE) was the right choice.
Both of them are reading from a script.....