Things like this happen, sometimes late into the game, people think; "eh, I can probably get 1 more luxury item before I actually need to buy the item I need". Then they proceed to lose several teamfights after and what was previously an even / advantageous game became a loss for them because they decided to delay buying the item that they actually need.
When you are questioned by 2 pro players, you definitely is the problem. MC giving him respect by closing it with "tru", surely he knew 23 was bullshit-ing.
@@nevermore7191 well if you played many games you can basically get all gold for all hero and you still can said that you not used to certain hero and there's many stuff like new patches etc
@@randominternetperson5978 even 4k trash like me knows to give shiva on leshrac when i was 2k trash. he exponentially become stronger after getting shiva
Both Mc and 23 gave respect each other.Every professional player hate getting taught by other pro player.But 23 is not,he replied in a good way and MC too ending the conversation with `True.These little things are the reason why they are in Tier 1 team.
I don’t think so. These sea pro players willing to join eu tier 1 teams because sea has never won TI, i mean they’re not good enough. That is why 23 is being polite. We know that 23garbage is toxic AF.
23Cabbage fangays mad at MC asking a genuiely question about the build AGAINST PL and when THEYRE BEHIND. Holy crap those SEA scrubs cant understand a simple common sense.
@@tengismunkhbat1826 miracle also flame people, there is actually a database for pro players recording what they are talking about in pubs in 2019 if you are talking about the purest pro player its probably s4 and gh gh have 2500 games and the worst word he said in pub is "drunk" while s4 with 1300 games says "trash" to himself
@hanako5ever doesn't change the fact has MC has far more experience/achievement under his belt and was one of the best offlaners. The whole T1 team only has 51% win rate so stop putting them in a pedestal. I don't even care about Nigma. CRIT and MC ( who are more experienced) agreeing that he should have made a shiva's is not flaming anyways.
Did no one tell him to buy shiva earlier ? I'm always looking at their queue item list and tell them what to buy. but yeah, they are pro players, they should know what to buy.
and then you see that Sumail only found out 12 hours ago that Ballista as a 60min neutral has been removed... So yeah, just because they're pro's don't mean they know or understand match ups of every hero.
@UCktLddsEb137OdmDC0figpQ why the f are u comparing build item with tier5 jungle items? That's so fucking dumb. First u need to play 60min game, and the drop is just random. Did u bought shiva randomly? Wtf 23savage is PL user, if u r a player of certain hero, u should know what item to counter it. It's bullshit to compare it to item that u rarely gets. It's getting worse when u realize his teammates karl are using lesh so many times and everytime he uses it he almost always go shiva. So shut the fuck up.
Clearly bullshit since he uses pl and knows the counter, and karl plays lesh a lot. Its either he didnt want to build it and wanted to try something else or he straight up forgot. Im from sea but i hate this bs. And karl throwing games when sumail was hc.. the hell is wrong with this t1 guys.
karl might had the worst day. happens to all of us. not caus theyre the top of the tops means theyre immune to mistakes. for me, it shows that theyre just people like all of us that if circumstances allow, you or I could have been the one sitting next to any other pro players and realize that we all have flaws even in the aspects of our life that we are very very good at, and even tho you think you couldnt push any further anymore, during the biggest moment youve been preparing for.... you manage to lift up the aegis!. And thats what makes Filipinos scream out their lungs if ever even a single Filipino would win TI :)
@@creativez9819 hahaha. report supports no wards 😂😂, pos4, 7 minutes in, no rotation. ina mo tims 😂😂 enter- /all chat- free SF kill mid. part of the SEA signature i guess hahahahaha.
Well mindcontrol asked 23savage too saying. "But u play pl" stating you knew that hero and u play that hero. Shud know its weakness and strength too. U know somethings wrong when 2 pro players start to question some itemization on 23 tho
As far as I know, when you active the Shiva around pl with his illusions, illusions have nearly 60% hp or so and you can (probably) find out which one is the real hero.
They say that to counter a certain hero, you should play it yourself. MC is saying that 23 plays PL in other games, so he should know that shiva is a great counter to PL.
kuku uncreative drafting / bad shot calling and 23 limited hero pool are the reasons why t1 wont win anything major. Shot calling should be done by the supports too. That's the reason offlane laning stage is always bad for t1
Stupid comment of the year goes to u, first of all when team fight happens the core players usually need to make the call not the supports, and their offlane heroes aren’t meant to win the lane but rather to amplify the farming of their carry. That’s why t1 is always suffeing the laning stage because they rely on their strategy to pick heroes that is good in the game but not in the lane esp their offlane who picks sacrificial heroes to create space. To sum it up their strategy and sometimes offlane hero is bad for them and doesn’t work anymore for them.
@@user-qd1rj6kv5p stupid ass herald. you think cores look at the map when theyre too busy farming? how the fuck will they be able to make good judgement calls when they are focused on maximizing their farm during laning stage. uninstall dota noob
bruh 23 just said hes trying this hero and noob at it, why so much flame? i guarantee 99% of you would have flamed back at any teammate who said this to you in your game....
???? If despite being the highest MMR sea player you can't understand the simple concept of building armor items against physical damage, maybe you shouldn't have an entire fucking roster designed to play around you
He has the highest mmr in sea, gold tier in lesh, playin a lot of pl games and yet still doesnt understand what counter pl and what build best for lesh. Is that mmr only for show and no skill?
Just saying, this is why NIGMA does not qualify in TI. They are bunch of people who still believes conventional dota strategy is the only way to win the game. Definitely Savage trying something new with overwhelming blink. But I agree shiva's is a good choice over overwhelming blink.
ROFL. Im pretty sure SEA noob teams never reached Top3 of TI ever while MC has won TI7 along with top2 in TI9 and top 5-6 at TI8. Don't bark on youtube without knowledge. Just because Nigma couldn't qualify once doesn't make them a bad team considering how tough EU region is. If any SEA team had to play in EU region they would never be able to qualify for TI ever. You should be grateful that you are having it easy in Asian region that allows you to qualify easily. SEA's best performance at TI was stopping OG with Miracle once and since then the bobo fans have never stopped bragging about it.
@@AakashSharma-le8pm Tell that to all Chinese teams, fact is westerners always want to belittle asians, but they always avoid the fact that most of the time asians.
@@user-bq9ux9vk7b Why should i tell it to Chinese teams? Chinese region is hard as well and 2nd hardest after Europe. Also there are strong Chinese teams who usually always perform well at TI. Also Chinese players don't brag like SEA kids. NA is the easiest to qualify and SEA is next.
this is the same guy that was shitting on SEA server on how easy it is to get rank 1 cuz all u have to do is beat some noob in mid LOL, he surely lives up to his name, mentaly challenged (MC) at least he's changed a bit but his cocky attitude is still there, maybe if he let's it go he might go to TI someday KEKW
what are you talking about MC literally won TI and there is a reason why there never was SEA TI finalist in dota history last goof SEA run was what? ti6? 5 years ago?
you do know that mc has like 5m in earnings right? even guardians know that shivas is one of the best counters against pl idk how you defend 23 on this
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Things like this happen, sometimes late into the game, people think; "eh, I can probably get 1 more luxury item before I actually need to buy the item I need". Then they proceed to lose several teamfights after and what was previously an even / advantageous game became a loss for them because they decided to delay buying the item that they actually need.
When you are questioned by 2 pro players, you definitely is the problem. MC giving him respect by closing it with "tru", surely he knew 23 was bullshit-ing.
Dude, im done looking 23 history rank on his IG story, LOSE STREAK RED maybe 15 game, he's just idiot now, and thats what making t1 so weak
@@akbar8731 He got exposed in EU. He's dominating in SEA that's why he the top rank but EU pubs are stomping him hard.
SEA finest they said. What a joke. 10k mmr SEA = 5K EU
@@tonybonny745 that's why I am confused with EU, why many EU teams lose against a 5K.
whitemon said in his stream that eu > sea, in sea non pro player just too weak even with high rank.
Gotta give it to his humility though. He admits he’s not used to the hero and you gotta respect that he’s trying
with a gold tier emblem ?
@@nevermore7191 well if you played many games you can basically get all gold for all hero and you still can said that you not used to certain hero and there's many stuff like new patches etc
dude he play a lot of lesh when he is on SEA
@@randominternetperson5978 even 4k trash like me knows to give shiva on leshrac when i was 2k trash.
he exponentially become stronger after getting shiva
@@nevermore7191 yea, he is still a noob even with gold tier.
Both Mc and 23 gave respect each other.Every professional player hate getting taught by other pro player.But 23 is not,he replied in a good way and MC too ending the conversation with `True.These little things are the reason why they are in Tier 1 team.
NOT GOING TO TI THO
@@danielsuarez4872 You too, as I recall. 🤮
@@danielsuarez4872 mc won ti already stfu
@@danielsuarez4872 23 cant even 2in ti bro
I don’t think so. These sea pro players willing to join eu tier 1 teams because sea has never won TI, i mean they’re not good enough. That is why 23 is being polite. We know that 23garbage is toxic AF.
23Cabbage fangays mad at MC asking a genuiely question about the build AGAINST PL and when THEYRE BEHIND. Holy crap those SEA scrubs cant understand a simple common sense.
anyone have the link to the full game (or atleast longer?) its an interesting match
radiant draft not strong anyway, dire got vs pango wr that can whack enemy backline so ez
Topson Void Spirit on enemy team
What good answer ,u dont play lesh ok but u know how pl works and whats is good against him ,wow
Mc and gh are real definition of cool calm and collected
mc is an ultra huge flamer. maybe he is better now but he is not someone even close to GH.
@@chalmano some times he talks sense to people like he did in this video..as long as you are talking about game and not cursing people its fine
@@chalmano agreed. GH Miracle on different level
@@tengismunkhbat1826 miracle also flame people, there is actually a database for pro players recording what they are talking about in pubs in 2019
if you are talking about the purest pro player its probably s4 and gh
gh have 2500 games and the worst word he said in pub is "drunk" while s4 with 1300 games says "trash" to himself
@@kiwirgerahanu7827 lmfao why are you lying?
I thought that 23 was a pos 1/2 player on T1.
If mind control is flaming you, u know u did sth wrong
non TI player flaming TI player KEKW jokes aside, he was in the wrong but he admits to it
@@seventhheaven7594 TI winner flaming first time TI qualifier
@@zapharian6114 he started his career in 2019 and only missed 1 TI so...
@hanako5ever still a champion
@hanako5ever doesn't change the fact has MC has far more experience/achievement under his belt and was one of the best offlaners. The whole T1 team only has 51% win rate so stop putting them in a pedestal.
I don't even care about Nigma. CRIT and MC ( who are more experienced) agreeing that he should have made a shiva's is not flaming anyways.
overwhelm blink is okayish, but should be after shiva since your team's losing
Did no one tell him to buy shiva earlier ? I'm always looking at their queue item list and tell them what to buy.
but yeah, they are pro players, they should know what to buy.
and then you see that Sumail only found out 12 hours ago that Ballista as a 60min neutral has been removed... So yeah, just because they're pro's don't mean they know or understand match ups of every hero.
@UCktLddsEb137OdmDC0figpQ why the f are u comparing build item with tier5 jungle items? That's so fucking dumb. First u need to play 60min game, and the drop is just random. Did u bought shiva randomly? Wtf
23savage is PL user, if u r a player of certain hero, u should know what item to counter it. It's bullshit to compare it to item that u rarely gets. It's getting worse when u realize his teammates karl are using lesh so many times and everytime he uses it he almost always go shiva.
So shut the fuck up.
@@stphnwlkr do you know what is "buy" means?
23savage just bullshiting in the game.
i know pros has different gaming mentality but mistakes were made soo...
"I was testing this item out in preparation for TI, for which your team didnt qualify."
That'd be quite funny if Cr1t also questioned his shitty item build and he's on EG so nice burn attempt...
Yeah lesh need shiva
All part of the plan. Tilting them before the group stage
But theres no nigma in group stage 👍
Clearly bullshit since he uses pl and knows the counter, and karl plays lesh a lot. Its either he didnt want to build it and wanted to try something else or he straight up forgot. Im from sea but i hate this bs. And karl throwing games when sumail was hc.. the hell is wrong with this t1 guys.
I saw that karl playin sf got 0/6/0 at 12 mins and throw the game while sumail and 3 others still trying hard
@@seasnow6073 yup saw that. Sumail reported karl. Thats how easily karl is tilted in a game. So in ti they gonna be trash
karl might had the worst day. happens to all of us. not caus theyre the top of the tops means theyre immune to mistakes.
for me, it shows that theyre just people like all of us that if circumstances allow, you or I could have been the one sitting next to any other pro players and realize that we all have flaws even in the aspects of our life that we are very very good at, and even tho you think you couldnt push any further anymore, during the biggest moment youve been preparing for.... you manage to lift up the aegis!.
And thats what makes Filipinos scream out their lungs if ever even a single Filipino would win TI :)
@@gwynnfox9767 tbh with you , Karl is quite known to be easily tilted here in ph.
Even tims is annoyed at karl with his attitude.
@@creativez9819 hahaha. report supports no wards 😂😂, pos4, 7 minutes in, no rotation. ina mo tims 😂😂
enter- /all chat- free SF kill mid.
part of the SEA signature i guess hahahahaha.
crit shows that blink meaning that he bought a useless blink instead of shiva. typical player
Not as toxic as SEA does
welcome to sea doto
19 yr old player, don't expect much
it's looks like mind control tired losing on topson hahahaha
But u play PL nice
Checkmate haha
shiva 3rd item would have changed the tide of this game. overwhelming blink in this game is just meh.
how does it change tide of game
@@danawhite8975 shiva counter pl
Bruh u 12k MMR?
@@snowskittles 12k mmr lesh lose to pl kekw omegalul
@@adrianhartanto5243 u 12kmmr? Haha lmao. It's their average not ur average. Lul
YOU PLAY PL ! OKAAAAY !?
Butthurt sea fans in the comments Bois 🤭
23 doesnt play Lesh that's why Kuku draft alsways considers picking Lesh for Karl or Kuku himself.
Well mindcontrol asked 23savage too saying. "But u play pl" stating you knew that hero and u play that hero. Shud know its weakness and strength too. U know somethings wrong when 2 pro players start to question some itemization on 23 tho
@@johnsuelan9116 i agree with you
Nah, leshrac is common hero in pro scene. Everyone know this hero’s build or way to play. 23 is just full of bullshit
Anyways it is just a pub game? Are they now allowed to make mistakes in pubs? LOL
just casual pub in sea server
Im noob, why Shiva good on PL?
23savage is playing Leshrac shiva is good on it .
23 play lesh not pl
As far as I know, when you active the Shiva around pl with his illusions, illusions have nearly 60% hp or so and you can (probably) find out which one is the real hero.
AOE dmg against PL & illusions, reduces PL & illusions attack speed, reduces PL heart regen, armour for PL & illusions.
They say that to counter a certain hero, you should play it yourself. MC is saying that 23 plays PL in other games, so he should know that shiva is a great counter to PL.
whitemon >>> savage
Its just the two pros are irritated with Topson especially MC.😄 If they win I think those two would not question 23's item.😂 Bitter both.
No. If you got their point their up against PL. And hes not prioritizing shivas.
23garbage😘
23 might be t1's best weapon on TI or a blowing disaster if he fails to perform
T1 heavily relying on Karl having good game or not
@@maestromgx lol no karl is trash, its kuku who always have the big plays
@@cherub0nyx yeah kuku with the top tier epic gameplay during the game vs Team Spirit. Absolute top tier.
@@ahahaha644 if kuku no play, T1 losses
t1's best weapons are their supports.
23GARBAGE
Mind games 😂
I bet if they win they wont bother bout it much lol.. blame game guys..
Duh hes just experimenting
he's so bad man fr even legend player know how to encounter build
He should've ask MC why he didn't play like CEB
what an idiot comment
T1 fangays
kuku uncreative drafting / bad shot calling and 23 limited hero pool are the reasons why t1 wont win anything major. Shot calling should be done by the supports too. That's the reason offlane laning stage is always bad for t1
Stupid comment of the year goes to u, first of all when team fight happens the core players usually need to make the call not the supports, and their offlane heroes aren’t meant to win the lane but rather to amplify the farming of their carry. That’s why t1 is always suffeing the laning stage because they rely on their strategy to pick heroes that is good in the game but not in the lane esp their offlane who picks sacrificial heroes to create space. To sum it up their strategy and sometimes offlane hero is bad for them and doesn’t work anymore for them.
@@user-qd1rj6kv5p stupid ass herald. you think cores look at the map when theyre too busy farming? how the fuck will they be able to make good judgement calls when they are focused on maximizing their farm during laning stage. uninstall dota noob
@@dologongpoloponobonotongpo235 Brain dead 2k player I said when TEAM FIGHTS HAPPEN CORE PLAYERS MAKE THE CALLS poor brain can’t understand anything
@@dologongpoloponobonotongpo235 u can never raise ur mmr like that xD
@@user-qd1rj6kv5p brain dead herald thinks core players who tunnel vision during fights make good shot callers. like i said delete dota.
Noob is noob.
High mmr kid?
bruh 23 just said hes trying this hero and noob at it, why so much flame? i guarantee 99% of you would have flamed back at any teammate who said this to you in your game....
???? If despite being the highest MMR sea player you can't understand the simple concept of building armor items against physical damage, maybe you shouldn't have an entire fucking roster designed to play around you
He has the highest mmr in sea, gold tier in lesh, playin a lot of pl games and yet still doesnt understand what counter pl and what build best for lesh. Is that mmr only for show and no skill?
gold tier lesh KEKW
t1 will not win ti sad
butthurt lose then blame, he'd fit right into SEA
they are pro players they should know to buy shiva vs PL
Not their fault 23garbage was braindead.
@@SanDisk4GB4 he will go to TI btw, and u sitting there at your moms basement KEKW
@@vincentroderick9724 ooh that's a great comeback classic one
@@vincentroderick9724 sure
Probably lost mid hard against Topson.
It's supossed to be mars mid
Typical dota game, ur team loses but you blame 1 guy even if your draft looks like shit
I don't see anyone blaming him for the loss
@@mario_gabriel not verbally yes, but you can see and feel it by their gestures
@@eucliwood0138 I can "feel" that they think 23 made a mistake, not that they lost because of him
@@mario_gabriel well good for you, eveyone has a different feelings i suppose
Just saying, this is why NIGMA does not qualify in TI. They are bunch of people who still believes conventional dota strategy is the only way to win the game. Definitely Savage trying something new with overwhelming blink. But I agree shiva's is a good choice over overwhelming blink.
So every time chinese players pulls out new meta, some of them doesn't know what to do.
Nigma didnt qualify for their unorthodox drafts and high tempo gameplay which doesn't works everytime. but when it works its works really well
ROFL. Im pretty sure SEA noob teams never reached Top3 of TI ever while MC has won TI7 along with top2 in TI9 and top 5-6 at TI8. Don't bark on youtube without knowledge.
Just because Nigma couldn't qualify once doesn't make them a bad team considering how tough EU region is.
If any SEA team had to play in EU region they would never be able to qualify for TI ever. You should be grateful that you are having it easy in Asian region that allows you to qualify easily.
SEA's best performance at TI was stopping OG with Miracle once and since then the bobo fans have never stopped bragging about it.
@@AakashSharma-le8pm Tell that to all Chinese teams, fact is westerners always want to belittle asians, but they always avoid the fact that most of the time asians.
@@user-bq9ux9vk7b Why should i tell it to Chinese teams? Chinese region is hard as well and 2nd hardest after Europe. Also there are strong Chinese teams who usually always perform well at TI. Also Chinese players don't brag like SEA kids.
NA is the easiest to qualify and SEA is next.
this is the same guy that was shitting on SEA server on how easy it is to get rank 1 cuz all u have to do is beat some noob in mid LOL, he surely lives up to his name, mentaly challenged (MC) at least he's changed a bit but his cocky attitude is still there, maybe if he let's it go he might go to TI someday KEKW
what are you talking about MC literally won TI and there is a reason why there never was SEA TI finalist in dota history last goof SEA run was what? ti6? 5 years ago?
you do know that mc has like 5m in earnings right? even guardians know that shivas is one of the best counters against pl idk how you defend 23 on this
You must be new to dota.
ti winner, MC doesnt need to proof anything to you
Sea trash dogshit gameplay. 10k SEA is 5k Eu. Thats the truth about skill bracket. Trash server, low skill people