"I recall Chris Squire once telling me that when the band were working on this album they did no more than a few bars of music a day. This meant they could perfect what they had and explains why Tales… sounds so highly detailed. I know it was Jon Anderson’s concept, but you can tell from the way everyone got involved instrumentally that all of Yes were at a peak. And here we are, 40 years later (2014 interview), still talking about it. That proves that whether you love or hate it, this album has made a lasting impact.” - Steve Hackett "One of the things I miss in modern rock music is the will to reach for the stars and risk falling flat on your face... Even when the ideas perhaps aren’t entirely coming off, I still admire and enjoy the sheer uncompromising strangeness of it... I’m happy to see a growing number of those like me that appreciate its beauty and ambition... It doesn’t have the immediacy of some of Yes’ other records of the era, but I think, given time, it reveals itself as perhaps their greatest musical statement of all. It’s pure hardcore Yes!” - Steven Wilson
I get sick of the critics' remarks about "wandering" or "taking too long" because there's a moody transition for two minutes. Like we're pulling them away from something important. Some of us have a healthy attention span and love to hear something that's spread out and takes its time; moving like Nature itself.
This is not the first time in the history of art that an artist or group of artists was disappointed with their own work but it turned out utterly beautiful. The disappointed remarks from the band (that ALWAYS follow this album around) only show the high expectations from them and their genius and perfectionism. But the album has a life of its own. It became something they weren't expecting. There are those of us out here who think this is utterly wonderful, elegant, and inspiring.
I find Tales From Topographic Oceans to be the finest music ever written or recorded in all music history. And I know of others who feel the same way, including Scot from the prog corner. Anderson reading a review of Close To The Edge from some music critic saying "Oh, the next thing Yes will do is put The Bible to music."
@@charleswagner2984 It is indeed the finest collection of sounds ever committed to any recorded medium. Hopefully, after our sun has turned to a red giant and engulfed the Earth, another species will be sitting on a distant world listening to this album and marvelling at its beauty. When I discovered it at the age of 16, my IQ went up a couple of dozen points. Here I am 40-something years down the road, and it's the #1 album in my "most listened to" list on my iTunes.
@@TheRKae As it should be. Number 1 in any collection. My 2nd favorite Yes album is Magnification. Don't Go and Soft As A Dove are the only mediocre songs on that album. The rest of it is great. The reason why I mention it is that I have found that In The Presence Of is the sequel to Ritual. It is perfect after the longest love song in all music history. Just a continuation of the same subject matter. And it's the last of the great epics.
@@charleswagner2984 I LOVE "Spirit of Survival." That marriage of Squire's bass and the orchestra is astounding. To my ear, the tracks that were assembled as "Keystudio" stand in that place where you have "Magnification." Those two epics are, to me, parts 5 & 6 of "Topographic Oceans." "Keystudio" is the album that wasn't an album until it was made into an album way too late.
Seeing you go from being wary and uncertain about giving Tales From Topographic Oceans a listen to, over the course of its 'four sides', defending it and standing up for Yes to be, well...Yes, has been quite the journey. I have to say, I've loved every second of it. Cheers Justin 🙂
A refreshingly positive review of this much-maligned album that I'm still listening to 50 years later (though now to Wilson's surround mix). Cheers, Justin.
Fantastic, fantastic reaction and review! You really nailed it, Justin! "Ritual" is my favorite of the four sides, but I love the whole thing. I'm definitely NOT one of the people who suggested you skip this. I don't think you'll miss Rick Wakeman as much as you think. His replacement on the next album, Patrick Moraz, is another excellent keyword wizard, and made a lot of stunning contributions to the album, _Relayer._ Side 1 contains the 22 min. masterpiece "Gates of Delirium", which I think you'll really love. Again, a very astute review and analyses. I applaud you, sir.
I suggested that he at least try sides 1 and 4, and based on that decide if he wanted to do the rest. I think after hearing side 1 he felt safe to just proceed through the entire thing in order.
Steve: By the time we get to ["Ritual"] you’ve got us recapitulating, you’ve got us reinventing... But you’ve also got what Yes were very good at which is lots of dynamic changes, big, small, quiet, noisy, you know… combustion, it is rocky. So you know, it’s a real nice mixed bag... When ["Tales"] came out, everybody was a bit like, everybody was a bit in shock, like, "What kind of album is this?" But what happened with the reception is that we got out on-stage and played it, and people got to really like it. So we had a new vibe, but it really grew... Fewer people are critical of it now than, say, when it first came out. It’s become a specialized classic-it’s the only double-album project we ever did of new material, so it does stand out in itself, and it does take a very big nod to what we were fundamentally, which was a progressive rock group. It was very imaginative music... It’s got a lot of lovely moods. I think 'Tales' is totally epic, and I love it to bits. Rick: The trouble is 'Tales' had a lot of good melodies and a lot of good songs. “Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil)” is pretty good. There are a lot of good themes. Rather than say in interviews and things, “Well, there’s some padding and bits of things I really don’t like and I’d rather weren’t there” I said, “I hate it.” I went to extremes. Likewise, Chris and the other guys went, “We love it!”... I thought "Nous Sommes du Soliel" is a beautiful song, lovely song, some lovely melodies amongst it... I probably am sometimes overcritical of a Yes piece and how it's done, and I don’t mean that unkindly, it’s just that I’ve probably set higher standards for Yes than I think for anything else, that's probably why... I think what it does is that, as with anything, I sit down and I look at things and I’d like to think that I’m a little bit more rational than I used to be... The interesting thing is if it had been CD days there’s a very very fair chance that it would have been four tracks, maybe one at twelve minutes, one at nine, maybe one at fifteen, maybe one of thirteen. And if that had been the case everybody would have been very happy and it would have moved on. But then you could argue there would have been no transition, there would have been no RELAYER, there would have been no return for GOING FOR THE ONE and the whole path of Yes might have taken a whole different course. So it’s very easy to sort of say ‘what ifs’, what might have been.
Good reaction and thoughtful comments Justin! I've always liked this album overall. And yes, it's one that you have to sit down and actually LISTEN to rather than have playing in the background while you do chores around the house. While you were running through contemporary reviews from when the album was first released, I couldn't help but think back to the one such review that sticks in my head. I found it in my dad's collection of Playboy magazines that he kept hidden in his dresser drawer [and no I didn't read them just for the articles ;-) ] It was a short, one paragraph review that was generally positive, but didn't go into any deep analysis of the album. But the final line in the paragraph succinctly summed up the reviewer's thoughts. (paraphrasing a bit here) "The album is a serious attempt to move rock music beyond "A wop bop a loo bop a lop ba ba". That is definitely the case!
I agree with the previous comment. Peoples expectations were different like an extension of Close to the Edge but in general, no-one was ready for this. It took all these years to come to the fore and be appreciated. But for those that don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Bill Bruford accurately predicted what 'Tales' was going to be, which is why he fled for King Crimson. In hindsight I think he admired the ambition of 'Tales', but was very happy he wasn't around to record it! Sadly, I don't recall anyone doing an in-depth interview with Alan White about his experiences in the 'Tales' sessions. I think he recounted stories about the cutout cows and bales of hay, but I would have loved to have heard him go deeper into what it was like having to step up his game from playing with people like Joe Cocker to this! I'll bet he was sort of glad for the trial by fire that the CTTE tour forced on him.
@@yes_headRobert Fripp logged in his journal an excerpt of a music critic that revealed Brufords response to quiting Yes "right before they hit the topographic gold mine." then Fripp dissolved King Crimson after 3 albums, Bill saying "I was mildly irritated." 🤣
Hello Justin, thank you very much for your very profound analysis of this absolutely groundbreaking and phantastic album from one of the, perhaps, 5 best bands on this planet. It gave mein great pleasure to listen to your comments. This shows me again very clearly, how little idea the most rockmagazin critics have about music. It's frankly terrifying. This comes from my very personal years of experience. ☺Kind regards Heinz (Munich/Germany). 🌳🌲🌷⚘🌱✨
I've been listening to this work since it first came out around 1973, in my opinion this is Yes' magnum opus, the scope, the musical ideas, the overall composition, the sound design (thanks in no small part to Wakeman, even if he was a reluctant participant in the affair), the interpretation (all 5 of them at their peaks), the spiritual connection, never again achieved by them, or any other band (at least the ones I know of)... I may understand that it is an album that divides, but this is not "rock", it transcends it, so it cannot be judged in those terms... Great reaction!. I enjoyed watching you enjoying this.
I believe that Yes felt that Close To The Edge is the peak of the genre progressive rock, and no band, not even Yes could do prog better. So, they just create a rock four part symphony covering several genres in progressive forms. Yes inadvertently created their own genre that I call Yes music. Every album since is unlike any Yes album before it. And the first five albums before Tales fits in the genre of Yes music that Tales started. To this day, Yes keeps changing its sound, and except in the last 20 years, has advanced the Yes genre very well. The last 4 Yes albums are transitional albums because of Anderson leaving, and the passing Squire and White. Eventually, Davison, Sherwood, and Schellen will contribute more to the new material, as the last 4 albums fit in the genre of Yes music and will guide Yes to great heights again.
@@reneelyons6836"And to know that tempo will continue lost in trance of dances, as rhythm takes another turn, as is my want." ~Anderson, Howe, Moraz, Squire, White~ (Sound Chaser)
As a final note, this album is one for reflection and chilling. Lie down, get comfortable, headphones on, close your eyes, stop analysing, go with the flow and let it take you to wherever the feeling takes you. For me it's ancient japan by a river with temples, wise men and giant samurai from another planet. But whatever it evokes. That's the way to listen to it, you've got to feel it rather than just hear it.
Totally agree that Wakeman's restraint (I wrote restraint before you spoke it :) I'm hitting the page button) and use of sound design was very effective. Even tho I wouldn't rate this as even close to a favourite album, I do recognize it as a masterpiece. And yes, they had to do CTTE before being able to do something like this. And personally, I feel that these two albums were stepping stones for Relayer. I'm feeling that your reaction to Relayer could go either way - you've got me feeling pretty tense...
Relayer is the one for me too. From the cover art to the angular, jazzy, nonconformist music to the sound effects on Gates… It is Yes at what I think of as an icy peak - crystalline, sparkling, glinting, sonic shards flying 😎❤
@@mattleppard1964I find Relayer to be my 5th favorite Yes album which is great because Yes has created so many great albums. Relayer is the finest concept album in all music history. Tales From Topographic Oceans is not a concept album. It is a four part symphony structured like the four shastras of Hindu scriptures, but not containing any Hindu scriptures at all. Tales is the album where Yes inadvertently created their own genre that I call Yes music. And for those reasons and dozens more, I declare Tales to be the finest music ever written or recorded in all music history.
LOL The inability for Jon's voice and melodies to capture you baffles me and is quite unusual considering most First Reaction-ers simply ADORE both and adamantly make a point of acknowledging it. Personally I think his work is absolutely BRILLIANT & uniquely GORGEOUS! and at the HEART & BEAUTY of their arrangements. Since you mentioned RUSH (God forbid UGH)..., It's just a matter of taste! I can't stand Geddy's voice nor do their PSEUDO- Prog dabblings done anything for me musically EVER! (They're like Hamburger with fake meat & no condiments) There I said it AGAIN!! LOL! but I digress ...Anyway, now you know why those naysayers of TALES are INSANE! I am happy to you actually GET IT and appreciate what TALES is about and that it works! BTW You're NOT going to miss Rick Wakeman once you hear RELAYER! In fact, in keeping with YES' reputation of never stagnating and always evolving back then, Patrick Moraz was the perfectly needed new blood to make that happen. And he does an overwhelmingly incredible job. Also Alan too is BRILLIANT on RELAYER which was his favorite & I think their last greatest FULL album plus a MILESTONE of ProgRock!
Kitty Ho joins for the final act, and Chris Squire's heroics. 😻 And wow, I never expected a review of 'Tales' to be THIS positive from you Justin. "Beautiful chaos" is a great description! Despite (or maybe because) a bunch of "Ritual" is bass and drum soloing, many of us have been looking forward to you finally getting to this track ever since you started your Yes discography review. This is also the side that has been played live the most (and as others have mentioned, the 'Yesshows' live version is amazing). Your comments about the lack of hooks in Anderson's vocal melodies is fair, although I've always considered Jon a "Beatles-esque" vocals guy (as in, *early* Beatles): Be sure the melodies are hummable, but not too clever or complicated, and let the harmonies do the heavy lifting. Many have called side 4 the most 'Yes-y' of the whole thing, and I tend to agree. It has a more traditional rock vibe overall, plus the instrumental voices are more traditionally balanced. And I agree that Yes' sweet spot sonically has always been keys as the foundation with guitar (and bass and vox) as the melodic leads. Yes did a pretty good job holding that balance until 'Tormato', where they sort of lost the plot. Anyways, now that you've handled the apex of 'taxing prog', it's all downhill at this point. Next up: 'Relayer'! 👍
@@dhfenskeI do not consider anything on Relayer the start of a downward slide. More like a lateral move from side to side. In the closing minute of To Be Over, we hear the total mass retain.
Justin, I'm so glad you liked it. I've listened to it so many times for, as you say, it's "beautiful chaos". For more chaos, let's see how GatesOD works out. 😅 Bam.
It's a work of art and a masterpiece of an album. Maybe you'll have a different take if you hear all the tracks again. Once it pulls you in... Can't wait to see your reaction to 'Relayer'!🤩
You can bet the rent there is a reason for singing "at all!" eleven times. Jon might not know why because it's inspired. But there is still a reason for every word, every line, every musical line, even Wakemans horror movie soundtrack music during the drum circle right before the closing Nous Sommes Du Soleil section of the longest love song in all music history. Ritual is a love song from the very beginning to the very last keyboard note that fades out. You must see it performed live with an orchestra on Yes Symphonic Live DVD. Otherworldly.
Heya Justin, I've just listened to all four tracks in order on your channel. I tend to listen to all Yes music from every other album in any random order, from 90125 to Fragile, to Drama and so on, all with the exception of Tales. Whenever I listen to Tales I set aside the appropriate time to be doing absolutely nothing other than listen from beginning to end. This is how I feel this double album needs to be treated. Given your reactions to previous Yes songs, I would not have suggested you skip Tales and I'm glad you reviewed the whole thing.
I'm going to bet myself that you'll really like "Gates" even more. I can't lose that bet. While I missed Bruford on "Tales", White shines on the next one and Moraz on keys is not at all disappointing, in fact he brings a jazz fusion feel that makes Gates of Delerium a stand alone album.
Sound Chaser and To Be Over are as impressive as Gates Of Delirium. Relayer is a phenomenal album, and the finest concept album in all music history. Billy Shears cannot begin to compare to The Relayer.
I agree that the instrumentals are outstanding. It has been a while since I listened to the whole album, but I just watched each of your reactions. The album really is a masterpiece, capped off with one of my favorite Howe solos. Great reactions!
Tremendous. I even heard something I’d never heard before - few repeat listens do that. Wakeman, alienated, left. We get Pat Moraz and Relayer instead and Gates of Delirium. After that, we get Awaken with Rick again. It’s an embarrassment of riches with any of this run of career-defining albums ❤
We receive all we venture to give. As above so below. Tales is without a doubt my all time fave Yes album. So much ancient wisdom in the lyrics, and the music is just crazy tangible to the soul itself. I must have listened to this album more than a thousand times in the last 30 some years I have known it.
Ladies and gentlemen Chris Squire and Yes, the greatest show on earth. Chris on timpani was mind-blowing the first time live. Onto Sound Chaser 🐺 Nice reaction, as for those other negative opinions just passing gas in an elevator ✨️🎶✨️
Great review Justin..this was always a special piece in concert... thought if they had gone back 10 years later and edited/ extended some parts, then this would have been the ultimate classic from them.
Also, the great irony of Rick's reaction to 'Tales' being too long and bloated: what does he do immediately after quitting Yes? He releases a sprawling concept album, 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth', which he'd been working on even while Yes was still touring CTTE in 1973! Justin, I invite you to listen to 'Journey' (which did go to Number 1 in the UK album charts) and then tell us which is the better album.
I know…talk about padding! Journey to the Center of the Earth is one of the most ridiculous, over-the-top albums ever made. When I need a good laugh it never fails to deliver. Tales seems a model of discipline and restraint by comparison.
Critics didn't get it. But the fans did. These four movements are like chapters from a book. Each telling their own story's. There's no hooks to bring you back, just a story progressing soniclly. What's fascinating is each time you listen, you hear more nuances that expand your experience. Yes Rick wasn't particularly fond of this album, but he mastered it perfectly. A true masterpiece. In my opinion, the best yes line up ever.
To this day, I cannot begin to understand why Rick hates his finest moments in his entire career that is on this album. Justin is right about Rick on Tales. And he got that on his first listen.
Well, I take back my earlier comment about this album not holding up quite as well as some of the others. Listening to Ritual today was glorious. I think it really depends on your mood/frame of mind. As I commented before, the melodies don't really catch hold until several listens and then they will burn into your brain. After listening to your reaction to The Remembering the other day, I had it in my head for about 2 days. Over 50 years of listening I cycle through Tales, Relayer and Close to the Edge as my favorite album of theirs, with CTTE being the most perfect album overall of the three.
I'm not a musician so I don't know how describe this, but Steve's solo from 22.04 in your video still sends a chill down my spine. I count something like 13 changes in chords or keys in that section that blend seamlessly one to the next and it is genius.
I saw Yes play this entire album in 74 with about a dozen of my HS friends. Our seats were behind the stage! Luckily we got to talk with Wakeman who felt bad for us because of our seat location. Howe also ran by and gave a quick wave. I have since seen Yes 17 times.
I have never considered YES as prog. It's something else. Yes, it's rock but you can't find two sister albums. In its day it was rated ArtRock. They are all trips to unknown landscapes. Every job is a surprise. Like the voyages of the Enterprise from Star Trek. Specifically, the instruments never fill out the solos, but rather they speak with phrasing. The phrasings have their logic in each piece and curve of harmonic design, just as in classical music. Steve Howe creates a melody that dialogues with Anderson like a dialectic, he never plays guitar chords or intermediate fills as a basis for a voice as in other groups. Rick Wakeman did not connect with TFTO perhaps because he had other personal projects in mind that were more attractive to him. I think that if he had been more involved the album would have come out a little more rounded or powerful. Over the years he has stated that TFTO came out too early from the studio, it's like you take a cake out of the oven a little early and some parts are a little undercooked or raw. But the seasonings on the cake were ok. In my opinion I see this double album as 4 sound psalms. Roger Dean, the cover artist, designed a structure of resin sculptural pieces that were lifted with cranes. It was a dragon with three heads that took on different poses and contained light projectors inside. In the background, a large colored cloth simulating extended wings. We must imagine at that time going to that concert, sitting down and what is common today to see in a show with lights and screens then was new (the first to create that structure that is now common today were the architecture students who dedicated themselves to symphonic rock : Pink Floyd with their circular screen). It was a whole project of scenic assembly, lights and ritual music playing timpani, magic, chaos, a three-headed dragon, color environments, etc. TFTO itself is an 80-minute concert concept. They never repeated another album like that because it was misunderstood. It was experimental rock, not symphonic rock of the time. Case similar to Disney's 1940 film Fantasia, precursor of the video clip and which people did not understand at the time and today is a classic of Animation.
I have to admit, I have never listened to this in it's entirety. Mainly because I never had anyone to share it with. Most Yes fans draw a line with this one. Well cool, thanks for being an interested cat to share it with. At 68yo not many rockers left.✌️
I liked The Revealing Science of God, hated The Revealing and The Ancient and Loved Ritual. Saw them play Ritual live several times. Was incredible! Agree with your points about the vocals and melody. It's what keeps it from being a masterpiece as a whole. 😊
I think this album contains some of Yes's finest moments.... both from the instrumentation AND Anderson's beautiful vocal passages.... however I think it could have been trimmed a bit........ some of the Ancient was a bit meandering for my taste ...maybe if this was a three-sided album it would have been perfect LOL
If you really want to hear an interesting version of this song, check out the version on the live album Yesshows. It was recorded in 1976 in Cobo Hall in Detroit during the time Patrick Moraz was in the band. If you dig the instrumental aspects of the song, you'll really like how they stretch out on this version. Howe's guitar playing is great, even if it sounds a little anemic in tone. Chris Squire compiled the album essentially after the band had broken up after the Drama album, and the other members didn't have any input. Howe was mortified at how his guitar sounded. It's really not that bad, just a bit thin. But the playing is absolutely great. Chris Squire really extends his bass solo, and it one of his finest moments extant. And sicne this album was Squire's baby, his bass sound throughout is really incredible. Moraz's playing is great and his keyboard sound choices are perfect for the song. And of course Alan White's playing is top notch, and the drum circle section is taken to a whole other level.
Definitely the highlight of the show on the 2004 tour! Regarding the reception it got in 1973/74, you must remember that in 1972/73 Yes were mainstream and this album took them away from that and hence much of the critique from fans and critics reflected that. Those looking for more popular music were disappointed. Those willing to 'go the journey' were more likely to enjoy it.
You have great comments after the song. I really like your comment saying : "This album is a beautiful chaos" ! It's true. Another great comment was on the show "In the Prog Seat" on the You Tube channel Sea of Tranquillity last year I think. Ken Golden, of Laser's Edge called Tales :"The perfect imperfect album" ! It's also true. Can't wait to see your reaction on "The Gates of Delirium" on the next album Relayer ! Thank you for reacting to Yes !
Sweet!!!...reminds me a little of Gentle Giant. It's amazing how one's taste evolves. Love the meandering bass lines..lol you agree. Those frick'n guitar runs/tones! Go on with your bad self, Steve...a little Jimmy Page finger picking but expanded....Ok, I'm going to find the vinyl. For me, the flow and linked transitions make all the difference, cohesion!
I am a yes fan from way back. I was probably around 21 when I seen them live at Cobo Hall in Detroit in 1973 or 1974 I can’t remember the exact time but I remember it was the debut of Topographic Oceans. I hadn’t even heard the album yet so I was expecting to hear all there great music from The Yes album and Fragile and the Edge so I was kind of disappointed to say the least but they did end the show with Round About. Any way after I purchase the album and listen to it a few times I thought it was their best album. And I just listened to your review of the album and I agree. It’s some of the best music they had close to the edge was absolute best, but this album really impress me too. Yeah, I’m like you. I really liked Rick Wakeman. He’s just awesome and I wanted to recommend for you after he left. Yes after the topographic oceans album he did an album journey to the center of the Earth. You might wanna take a listen to that of his mobility on that album, and I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it before but check it out. I think you’ll find it interesting
Thanks Justin. I have finally heard the album I've had for 45 years and never heard. This would have been over my head back then. I wouldn't have had the patience for it...
Patrick Moraz played keyboards on the next album, Relayer, and it is some of the very best keyboard playing on any Yes album. He's very different from Wakeman (who is my favorite) in the sounds he uses, and in just the way he plays. I don't know that Relayer would be as great an album if Wakeman had played on it. The good news for you is, Wakeman returns for two more albums in the 70's: Going for the One in 1977 and Tormato in 1978. After the Tormato Tour, Wakeman and Jon Anderson left the band. They were replaced by Trevor Horn on vocals and Geoff Downes on keyboards. That line up made the 1980 album called Drama, and it is an exceptional album. It is a perfect bridge between 70's prog and 80's synth pop.
"We all know what we think of Rolling Stone." 😅 Love it! You come up with some great quotable material. I really hoped you WOULD NOT skip this. Great review! I always liked TFTO from my very first listen not long after it was released. My ranking of the sides: 4, 3, 1, 2.
This is a truly amazing album. As I said on one of the previous videos, it takes more than one listen to catch and appreciate all of the thematic melodies that repeat throughout the album.
It’s not an album that I listen to all the time, but when I do listen to it, I do it intentionally, front to back. It is an absolutely gorgeous album, and it has some of my most favorite musical moments of all time in it. I will listen to revealing science of God outside of the album, but that’s the only one that I will listen to by itself.
I always figured the "meandering" or what i would call "incohesive flow" was intentional because it symbolizes The In between Times of physical existence and the non physical existence. Like the one lyric in The Remembering, He says The strength regains us In between our times. Like some crazy metaphysical mystical shit purposely portrayed through the music itself. Hahaha, I listened to this album so many times on so much acid back in the day man. It is some deeply Mystical shit going on though bro in the lyrics and the music, Jon especially was really into the Ancient Mystery Teachings and all that Mystical stuff, as am I....As is most of the planet even if they don't realize it....May the Force Be With You.
...Amazing how such a complex, long piece of music (all 4 tracks) always leaves me unsatisfied........some parts are magical, but overall, all I remember is 'insipid, boring, repetitive' to describe it, even though it is amazingly performed. by the best proggers in history.
Not going to find hooks or any pop type formulas on this album. I think that's why it's so reviled, one of my favorites. Seen Yes live more times than I can remember. The symphonic show was heaven. Ritual was always great live but every song was. The early 'decades!' were best IMHO.
Rick Wakeman returned for 2 more albums. Going For The One, which you already reacted to from 1977 and Tormato from 1978. I personally think GFTO is one of their best albums. Tormato is a mixed bag. There are good and awful songs on it. Wakeman does a lot on that album and the songs are shorter. If you react to it, you'll probably like some of it. The last track is my favorite. On The Silent Wings Of Freedom is one of their best tracks ever. Worth checking it out just for that track alone.
I guess that this side is my fav of the four. But it still leaves me hoping for a banger in there. Understand why Wakeman bugged out. Still love the band. Relayer is more adventurous and even in it's abstractness more to the point. Thanks for this forum!
You da best, dude. Been loving this band since 73 or so when I first heard an edited version of Roundabout on AM radio. Bought Yessongs and been in love ever since. Thanks again.
Many were and still are parroting early reviewers who did not have ears for broader symphonic music. And then there is the stupid contricting tribal biases. Now, with newborn fresh ears, the true quality of this daring pop(?) music is better valued for its quality.
Have you read the sleeve notes, looked into how the four sides tell the story, maybe read some Yes interviews from the time to see how Yes saw this and especially Jon. Keep reminding yourself of the track title and the music fits better, sont expect the norn, they never went dor hits or hum along bits, its mean as a four side journey ro enlightement. Go deep and it will eventually all fit together...it may take decades.
In a 1974 interview. Jon was asked about The Revealing Science Of God. "I don't see much about God in it. And I don't see anything about science. So, what's it about?" Jon answered "When we wrote that song, we didn't know what we were writing." That song has more lyrics than all other Yes songs in their 55 year catalog.
Unlike some Reactors, Ive noticed that you don't even DARE deal with YES lyrics! 😂. Many are warned about them but they do play a HUGE part in TOTALITY of the work and would give a understanding of why Jon sings as he does for any given piece. Cleary he never sings melodies in typical Rock fashion. Hes not that guy!
This track sums up the album nicely. It's better than you thought, parts of it are great, but it takes way too long. The few great melodic ideas get buried beneath a mass of over-production. All in all, it doesn't mean a whole lot.
It’s not an album that I listen to all the time, but when I do listen to it, I do it intentionally, front to back. It is an absolutely gorgeous album, and it has some of my most favorite musical moments of all time in it. I will listen to revealing science of God outside of the album, but that’s the only one that I will listen to by itself.
"I recall Chris Squire once telling me that when the band were working on this album they did no more than a few bars of music a day. This meant they could perfect what they had and explains why Tales… sounds so highly detailed. I know it was Jon Anderson’s concept, but you can tell from the way everyone got involved instrumentally that all of Yes were at a peak. And here we are, 40 years later (2014 interview), still talking about it. That proves that whether you love or hate it, this album has made a lasting impact.” - Steve Hackett
"One of the things I miss in modern rock music is the will to reach for the stars and risk falling flat on your face... Even when the ideas perhaps aren’t entirely coming off, I still admire and enjoy the sheer uncompromising strangeness of it... I’m happy to see a growing number of those like me that appreciate its beauty and ambition... It doesn’t have the immediacy of some of Yes’ other records of the era, but I think, given time, it reveals itself as perhaps their greatest musical statement of all. It’s pure hardcore Yes!” - Steven Wilson
Good one - nice to read those quotes ❤
Squackett, baby.
I get sick of the critics' remarks about "wandering" or "taking too long" because there's a moody transition for two minutes. Like we're pulling them away from something important. Some of us have a healthy attention span and love to hear something that's spread out and takes its time; moving like Nature itself.
To be honest, what do you care what people think. You like/love it (and so do I), that's the important thing
It’s the difference between real music and glorified ring tones.
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Absolutely everything is so organic
This is not the first time in the history of art that an artist or group of artists was disappointed with their own work but it turned out utterly beautiful. The disappointed remarks from the band (that ALWAYS follow this album around) only show the high expectations from them and their genius and perfectionism. But the album has a life of its own. It became something they weren't expecting. There are those of us out here who think this is utterly wonderful, elegant, and inspiring.
I find Tales From Topographic Oceans to be the finest music ever written or recorded in all music history. And I know of others who feel the same way, including Scot from the prog corner. Anderson reading a review of Close To The Edge from some music critic saying "Oh, the next thing Yes will do is put The Bible to music."
@@charleswagner2984 It is indeed the finest collection of sounds ever committed to any recorded medium.
Hopefully, after our sun has turned to a red giant and engulfed the Earth, another species will be sitting on a distant world listening to this album and marvelling at its beauty. When I discovered it at the age of 16, my IQ went up a couple of dozen points. Here I am 40-something years down the road, and it's the #1 album in my "most listened to" list on my iTunes.
@@TheRKae As it should be. Number 1 in any collection. My 2nd favorite Yes album is Magnification. Don't Go and Soft As A Dove are the only mediocre songs on that album. The rest of it is great. The reason why I mention it is that I have found that In The Presence Of is the sequel to Ritual. It is perfect after the longest love song in all music history. Just a continuation of the same subject matter. And it's the last of the great epics.
@@charleswagner2984 I LOVE "Spirit of Survival." That marriage of Squire's bass and the orchestra is astounding.
To my ear, the tracks that were assembled as "Keystudio" stand in that place where you have "Magnification." Those two epics are, to me, parts 5 & 6 of "Topographic Oceans."
"Keystudio" is the album that wasn't an album until it was made into an album way too late.
Seeing you go from being wary and uncertain about giving Tales From Topographic Oceans a listen to, over the course of its 'four sides', defending it and standing up for Yes to be, well...Yes, has been quite the journey. I have to say, I've loved every second of it. Cheers Justin 🙂
Another Yes masterpiece! Seeing them perform it live is a trip.
Chris Squire did an absolute typhoon of a bass guitar solo live in Ritual.
"Sound Chaser" from Relayer will be the Experimental Jazz Fusion Masterpiece you always wanted, and never knew existed.
A refreshingly positive review of this much-maligned album that I'm still listening to 50 years later (though now to Wilson's surround mix). Cheers, Justin.
Fantastic, fantastic reaction and review! You really nailed it, Justin! "Ritual" is my favorite of the four sides, but I love the whole thing. I'm definitely NOT one of the people who suggested you skip this. I don't think you'll miss Rick Wakeman as much as you think. His replacement on the next album, Patrick Moraz, is another excellent keyword wizard, and made a lot of stunning contributions to the album, _Relayer._ Side 1 contains the 22 min. masterpiece "Gates of Delirium", which I think you'll really love. Again, a very astute review and analyses. I applaud you, sir.
I would have never told you to skip this album. It's quite important. For a musician. (IMO) I have Relayer hanging on my wall.
Gates is the one. Always vying for my Yes top spot 😊
I think that is FANTASTIC. What was your favorite side of Tales?
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I suggested that he at least try sides 1 and 4, and based on that decide if he wanted to do the rest. I think after hearing side 1 he felt safe to just proceed through the entire thing in order.
Steve: By the time we get to ["Ritual"] you’ve got us recapitulating, you’ve got us reinventing... But you’ve also got what Yes were very good at which is lots of dynamic changes, big, small, quiet, noisy, you know… combustion, it is rocky. So you know, it’s a real nice mixed bag... When ["Tales"] came out, everybody was a bit like, everybody was a bit in shock, like, "What kind of album is this?" But what happened with the reception is that we got out on-stage and played it, and people got to really like it. So we had a new vibe, but it really grew... Fewer people are critical of it now than, say, when it first came out. It’s become a specialized classic-it’s the only double-album project we ever did of new material, so it does stand out in itself, and it does take a very big nod to what we were fundamentally, which was a progressive rock group. It was very imaginative music... It’s got a lot of lovely moods. I think 'Tales' is totally epic, and I love it to bits.
Rick: The trouble is 'Tales' had a lot of good melodies and a lot of good songs. “Ritual (Nous Sommes du Soleil)” is pretty good. There are a lot of good themes. Rather than say in interviews and things, “Well, there’s some padding and bits of things I really don’t like and I’d rather weren’t there” I said, “I hate it.” I went to extremes. Likewise, Chris and the other guys went, “We love it!”... I thought "Nous Sommes du Soliel" is a beautiful song, lovely song, some lovely melodies amongst it... I probably am sometimes overcritical of a Yes piece and how it's done, and I don’t mean that unkindly, it’s just that I’ve probably set higher standards for Yes than I think for anything else, that's probably why... I think what it does is that, as with anything, I sit down and I look at things and I’d like to think that I’m a little bit more rational than I used to be... The interesting thing is if it had been CD days there’s a very very fair chance that it would have been four tracks, maybe one at twelve minutes, one at nine, maybe one at fifteen, maybe one of thirteen. And if that had been the case everybody would have been very happy and it would have moved on. But then you could argue there would have been no transition, there would have been no RELAYER, there would have been no return for GOING FOR THE ONE and the whole path of Yes might have taken a whole different course. So it’s very easy to sort of say ‘what ifs’, what might have been.
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Definitely Yes’ most ambitious album. Fun fact, Alan White came up with the piano riff at the closing section.
Good reaction and thoughtful comments Justin! I've always liked this album overall. And yes, it's one that you have to sit down and actually LISTEN to rather than have playing in the background while you do chores around the house. While you were running through contemporary reviews from when the album was first released, I couldn't help but think back to the one such review that sticks in my head. I found it in my dad's collection of Playboy magazines that he kept hidden in his dresser drawer [and no I didn't read them just for the articles ;-) ] It was a short, one paragraph review that was generally positive, but didn't go into any deep analysis of the album. But the final line in the paragraph succinctly summed up the reviewer's thoughts. (paraphrasing a bit here) "The album is a serious attempt to move rock music beyond "A wop bop a loo bop a lop ba ba". That is definitely the case!
Congratulation’s. You’ve received your advanced degree from Prog U.
I agree with the previous comment. Peoples expectations were different like an extension of Close to the Edge but in general, no-one was ready for this. It took all these years to come to the fore and be appreciated. But for those that don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Bill Bruford accurately predicted what 'Tales' was going to be, which is why he fled for King Crimson. In hindsight I think he admired the ambition of 'Tales', but was very happy he wasn't around to record it! Sadly, I don't recall anyone doing an in-depth interview with Alan White about his experiences in the 'Tales' sessions. I think he recounted stories about the cutout cows and bales of hay, but I would have loved to have heard him go deeper into what it was like having to step up his game from playing with people like Joe Cocker to this! I'll bet he was sort of glad for the trial by fire that the CTTE tour forced on him.
@@yes_headRobert Fripp logged in his journal an excerpt of a music critic that revealed Brufords response to quiting Yes "right before they hit the topographic gold mine." then Fripp dissolved King Crimson after 3 albums, Bill saying "I was mildly irritated." 🤣
It's spiritual music. And not for everyone, obviously. I think it's EXTREMELY beautiful. And your cat likes it too!! : )
Tales is a COMPLETE masterpiece!👍😎
Hello Justin, thank you very much for your very profound analysis of this absolutely groundbreaking and phantastic album from one of the, perhaps, 5 best bands on this planet. It gave mein great pleasure to listen to your comments. This shows me again very clearly, how little idea the most rockmagazin critics have about music. It's frankly terrifying. This comes from my very personal years of experience. ☺Kind regards Heinz (Munich/Germany). 🌳🌲🌷⚘🌱✨
This is the one that they usually played in concert.
I've been listening to this work since it first came out around 1973, in my opinion this is Yes' magnum opus, the scope, the musical ideas, the overall composition, the sound design (thanks in no small part to Wakeman, even if he was a reluctant participant in the affair), the interpretation (all 5 of them at their peaks), the spiritual connection, never again achieved by them, or any other band (at least the ones I know of)... I may understand that it is an album that divides, but this is not "rock", it transcends it, so it cannot be judged in those terms... Great reaction!. I enjoyed watching you enjoying this.
Definitely transcends. I, myself, love it when different genres of music collide.
I believe that Yes felt that Close To The Edge is the peak of the genre progressive rock, and no band, not even Yes could do prog better. So, they just create a rock four part symphony covering several genres in progressive forms. Yes inadvertently created their own genre that I call Yes music. Every album since is unlike any Yes album before it. And the first five albums before Tales fits in the genre of Yes music that Tales started. To this day, Yes keeps changing its sound, and except in the last 20 years, has advanced the Yes genre very well. The last 4 Yes albums are transitional albums because of Anderson leaving, and the passing Squire and White. Eventually, Davison, Sherwood, and Schellen will contribute more to the new material, as the last 4 albums fit in the genre of Yes music and will guide Yes to great heights again.
Interesting. They are sound chasers. 😃🥰
@@reneelyons6836"And to know that tempo will continue lost in trance of dances, as rhythm takes another turn, as is my want."
~Anderson, Howe, Moraz, Squire, White~ (Sound Chaser)
The live version of Ritual from Yesshows is the most ridiculously powerful piece of music i've ever heard.
I love the Symphonic Yes Live DVD version of Ritual with the orchestra. Greatness with an orchestra is phenomenal squared.
Definitely my favorite track of the 4!
For your second listen , watch ritual off the yes symphonic DVD.
That's the one!
As a final note, this album is one for reflection and chilling. Lie down, get comfortable, headphones on, close your eyes, stop analysing, go with the flow and let it take you to wherever the feeling takes you. For me it's ancient japan by a river with temples, wise men and giant samurai from another planet. But whatever it evokes. That's the way to listen to it, you've got to feel it rather than just hear it.
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Totally agree that Wakeman's restraint (I wrote restraint before you spoke it :) I'm hitting the page button) and use of sound design was very effective. Even tho I wouldn't rate this as even close to a favourite album, I do recognize it as a masterpiece. And yes, they had to do CTTE before being able to do something like this. And personally, I feel that these two albums were stepping stones for Relayer. I'm feeling that your reaction to Relayer could go either way - you've got me feeling pretty tense...
Relayer is the one for me too. From the cover art to the angular, jazzy, nonconformist music to the sound effects on Gates… It is Yes at what I think of as an icy peak - crystalline, sparkling, glinting, sonic shards flying 😎❤
@@mattleppard1964I find Relayer to be my 5th favorite Yes album which is great because Yes has created so many great albums. Relayer is the finest concept album in all music history. Tales From Topographic Oceans is not a concept album. It is a four part symphony structured like the four shastras of Hindu scriptures, but not containing any Hindu scriptures at all. Tales is the album where Yes inadvertently created their own genre that I call Yes music. And for those reasons and dozens more, I declare Tales to be the finest music ever written or recorded in all music history.
@@charleswagner2984 I agree. It’s “apart” from their standard canon
LOL The inability for Jon's voice and melodies to capture you baffles me and is quite unusual considering most First Reaction-ers simply ADORE both and adamantly make a point of acknowledging it. Personally I think his work is absolutely BRILLIANT & uniquely GORGEOUS! and at the HEART & BEAUTY of their arrangements. Since you mentioned RUSH (God forbid UGH)..., It's just a matter of taste! I can't stand Geddy's voice nor do their PSEUDO- Prog dabblings done anything for me musically EVER! (They're like Hamburger with fake meat & no condiments) There I said it AGAIN!! LOL! but I digress ...Anyway, now you know why those naysayers of TALES are INSANE! I am happy to you actually GET IT and appreciate what TALES is about and that it works! BTW You're NOT going to miss Rick Wakeman once you hear RELAYER! In fact, in keeping with YES' reputation of never stagnating and always evolving back then, Patrick Moraz was the perfectly needed new blood to make that happen. And he does an overwhelmingly incredible job. Also Alan too is BRILLIANT on RELAYER which was his favorite & I think their last greatest FULL album plus a MILESTONE of ProgRock!
Kitty Ho joins for the final act, and Chris Squire's heroics. 😻 And wow, I never expected a review of 'Tales' to be THIS positive from you Justin. "Beautiful chaos" is a great description! Despite (or maybe because) a bunch of "Ritual" is bass and drum soloing, many of us have been looking forward to you finally getting to this track ever since you started your Yes discography review. This is also the side that has been played live the most (and as others have mentioned, the 'Yesshows' live version is amazing). Your comments about the lack of hooks in Anderson's vocal melodies is fair, although I've always considered Jon a "Beatles-esque" vocals guy (as in, *early* Beatles): Be sure the melodies are hummable, but not too clever or complicated, and let the harmonies do the heavy lifting. Many have called side 4 the most 'Yes-y' of the whole thing, and I tend to agree. It has a more traditional rock vibe overall, plus the instrumental voices are more traditionally balanced. And I agree that Yes' sweet spot sonically has always been keys as the foundation with guitar (and bass and vox) as the melodic leads. Yes did a pretty good job holding that balance until 'Tormato', where they sort of lost the plot. Anyways, now that you've handled the apex of 'taxing prog', it's all downhill at this point. Next up: 'Relayer'! 👍
Could Gates of Delirium and Sound Chaser possibly be even a bit more "taxing" than Tales? I kinda think so.
@@dhfenskeI do not consider anything on Relayer the start of a downward slide. More like a lateral move from side to side. In the closing minute of To Be Over, we hear the total mass retain.
Great Moment Justin !! In french langage "Nous sommes du soleil" means two senses : We are from the sun - & - We are made of sun !
LISTEN AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN!
Then you’ll get the hooks 💕
Justin, I'm so glad you liked it. I've listened to it so many times for, as you say, it's "beautiful chaos".
For more chaos, let's see how GatesOD works out. 😅
Bam.
It's a work of art and a masterpiece of an album. Maybe you'll have a different take if you hear all the tracks again. Once it pulls you in... Can't wait to see your reaction to 'Relayer'!🤩
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As someone said: Jon Anderson is the only one who gets away with singing ‘at all’ eleven times in a row 😄
You can bet the rent there is a reason for singing "at all!" eleven times. Jon might not know why because it's inspired. But there is still a reason for every word, every line, every musical line, even Wakemans horror movie soundtrack music during the drum circle right before the closing Nous Sommes Du Soleil section of the longest love song in all music history. Ritual is a love song from the very beginning to the very last keyboard note that fades out. You must see it performed live with an orchestra on Yes Symphonic Live DVD. Otherworldly.
Heya Justin, I've just listened to all four tracks in order on your channel. I tend to listen to all Yes music from every other album in any random order, from 90125 to Fragile, to Drama and so on, all with the exception of Tales. Whenever I listen to Tales I set aside the appropriate time to be doing absolutely nothing other than listen from beginning to end. This is how I feel this double album needs to be treated. Given your reactions to previous Yes songs, I would not have suggested you skip Tales and I'm glad you reviewed the whole thing.
I'm going to bet myself that you'll really like "Gates" even more. I can't lose that bet. While I missed Bruford on "Tales", White shines on the next one and Moraz on keys is not at all disappointing, in fact he brings a jazz fusion feel that makes Gates of Delerium a stand alone album.
Brain fart. "Relayer"
Sound Chaser and To Be Over are as impressive as Gates Of Delirium. Relayer is a phenomenal album, and the finest concept album in all music history. Billy Shears cannot begin to compare to The Relayer.
I agree that the instrumentals are outstanding. It has been a while since I listened to the whole album, but I just watched each of your reactions. The album really is a masterpiece, capped off with one of my favorite Howe solos. Great reactions!
Tremendous. I even heard something I’d never heard before - few repeat listens do that.
Wakeman, alienated, left. We get Pat Moraz and Relayer instead and Gates of Delirium. After that, we get Awaken with Rick again. It’s an embarrassment of riches with any of this run of career-defining albums ❤
We receive all we venture to give. As above so below. Tales is without a doubt my all time fave Yes album. So much ancient wisdom in the lyrics, and the music is just crazy tangible to the soul itself. I must have listened to this album more than a thousand times in the last 30 some years I have known it.
Ladies and gentlemen Chris Squire and Yes, the greatest show on earth. Chris on timpani was mind-blowing the first time live. Onto Sound Chaser 🐺 Nice reaction, as for those other negative opinions just passing gas in an elevator ✨️🎶✨️
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Thanks JP, loving this Yes journey.
Great review Justin..this was always a special piece in concert... thought if they had gone back 10 years later and edited/ extended some parts, then this would have been the ultimate classic from them.
Also, the great irony of Rick's reaction to 'Tales' being too long and bloated: what does he do immediately after quitting Yes? He releases a sprawling concept album, 'Journey to the Centre of the Earth', which he'd been working on even while Yes was still touring CTTE in 1973! Justin, I invite you to listen to 'Journey' (which did go to Number 1 in the UK album charts) and then tell us which is the better album.
I know…talk about padding! Journey to the Center of the Earth is one of the most ridiculous, over-the-top albums ever made. When I need a good laugh it never fails to deliver. Tales seems a model of discipline and restraint by comparison.
Critics didn't get it. But the fans did. These four movements are like chapters from a book. Each telling their own story's. There's no hooks to bring you back, just a story progressing soniclly. What's fascinating is each time you listen, you hear more nuances that expand your experience. Yes Rick wasn't particularly fond of this album, but he mastered it perfectly. A true masterpiece. In my opinion, the best yes line up ever.
To this day, I cannot begin to understand why Rick hates his finest moments in his entire career that is on this album. Justin is right about Rick on Tales. And he got that on his first listen.
Well, I take back my earlier comment about this album not holding up quite as well as some of the others. Listening to Ritual today was glorious. I think it really depends on your mood/frame of mind. As I commented before, the melodies don't really catch hold until several listens and then they will burn into your brain. After listening to your reaction to The Remembering the other day, I had it in my head for about 2 days. Over 50 years of listening I cycle through Tales, Relayer and Close to the Edge as my favorite album of theirs, with CTTE being the most perfect album overall of the three.
I'm not a musician so I don't know how describe this, but Steve's solo from 22.04 in your video still sends a chill down my spine. I count something like 13 changes in chords or keys in that section that blend seamlessly one to the next and it is genius.
I saw Yes play this entire album in 74 with about a dozen of my HS friends. Our seats were behind the stage! Luckily we got to talk with Wakeman who felt bad for us because of our seat location. Howe also ran by and gave a quick wave. I have since seen Yes 17 times.
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And now you're a better man for having added this to your listening history.
I have never considered YES as prog. It's something else. Yes, it's rock but you can't find two sister albums. In its day it was rated ArtRock. They are all trips to unknown landscapes. Every job is a surprise. Like the voyages of the Enterprise from Star Trek. Specifically, the instruments never fill out the solos, but rather they speak with phrasing. The phrasings have their logic in each piece and curve of harmonic design, just as in classical music. Steve Howe creates a melody that dialogues with Anderson like a dialectic, he never plays guitar chords or intermediate fills as a basis for a voice as in other groups.
Rick Wakeman did not connect with TFTO perhaps because he had other personal projects in mind that were more attractive to him. I think that if he had been more involved the album would have come out a little more rounded or powerful. Over the years he has stated that TFTO came out too early from the studio, it's like you take a cake out of the oven a little early and some parts are a little undercooked or raw. But the seasonings on the cake were ok.
In my opinion I see this double album as 4 sound psalms. Roger Dean, the cover artist, designed a structure of resin sculptural pieces that were lifted with cranes. It was a dragon with three heads that took on different poses and contained light projectors inside. In the background, a large colored cloth simulating extended wings.
We must imagine at that time going to that concert, sitting down and what is common today to see in a show with lights and screens then was new (the first to create that structure that is now common today were the architecture students who dedicated themselves to symphonic rock : Pink Floyd with their circular screen). It was a whole project of scenic assembly, lights and ritual music playing timpani, magic, chaos, a three-headed dragon, color environments, etc. TFTO itself is an 80-minute concert concept. They never repeated another album like that because it was misunderstood. It was experimental rock, not symphonic rock of the time. Case similar to Disney's 1940 film Fantasia, precursor of the video clip and which people did not understand at the time and today is a classic of Animation.
Kinda like Mozart
I have to admit, I have never listened to this in it's entirety. Mainly because I never had anyone to share it with. Most Yes fans draw a line with this one. Well cool, thanks for being an interested cat to share it with. At 68yo not many rockers left.✌️
I liked The Revealing Science of God, hated The Revealing and The Ancient and Loved Ritual. Saw them play Ritual live several times. Was incredible! Agree with your points about the vocals and melody. It's what keeps it from being a masterpiece as a whole. 😊
Pronounced "nu som du solay" which is French for "we are of the sun".
I think this album contains some of Yes's finest moments.... both from the instrumentation AND Anderson's beautiful vocal passages.... however I think it could have been trimmed a bit........ some of the Ancient was a bit meandering for my taste ...maybe if this was a three-sided album it would have been perfect LOL
If you really want to hear an interesting version of this song, check out the version on the live album Yesshows. It was recorded in 1976 in Cobo Hall in Detroit during the time Patrick Moraz was in the band. If you dig the instrumental aspects of the song, you'll really like how they stretch out on this version. Howe's guitar playing is great, even if it sounds a little anemic in tone. Chris Squire compiled the album essentially after the band had broken up after the Drama album, and the other members didn't have any input. Howe was mortified at how his guitar sounded. It's really not that bad, just a bit thin. But the playing is absolutely great. Chris Squire really extends his bass solo, and it one of his finest moments extant. And sicne this album was Squire's baby, his bass sound throughout is really incredible. Moraz's playing is great and his keyboard sound choices are perfect for the song. And of course Alan White's playing is top notch, and the drum circle section is taken to a whole other level.
Definitely the highlight of the show on the 2004 tour! Regarding the reception it got in 1973/74, you must remember that in 1972/73 Yes were mainstream and this album took them away from that and hence much of the critique from fans and critics reflected that. Those looking for more popular music were disappointed. Those willing to 'go the journey' were more likely to enjoy it.
You have great comments after the song. I really like your comment saying : "This album is a beautiful chaos" ! It's true. Another great comment was on the show "In the Prog Seat" on the You Tube channel Sea of Tranquillity last year I think. Ken Golden, of Laser's Edge called Tales :"The perfect imperfect album" ! It's also true. Can't wait to see your reaction on "The Gates of Delirium" on the next album Relayer ! Thank you for reacting to Yes !
Sweet!!!...reminds me a little of Gentle Giant. It's amazing how one's taste evolves. Love the meandering bass lines..lol you agree. Those frick'n guitar runs/tones! Go on with your bad self, Steve...a little Jimmy Page finger picking but expanded....Ok, I'm going to find the vinyl. For me, the flow and linked transitions make all the difference, cohesion!
I am a yes fan from way back. I was probably around 21 when I seen them live at Cobo Hall in Detroit in 1973 or 1974 I can’t remember the exact time but I remember it was the debut of Topographic Oceans. I hadn’t even heard the album yet so I was expecting to hear all there great music from The Yes album and Fragile and the Edge so I was kind of disappointed to say the least but they did end the show with Round About. Any way after I purchase the album and listen to it a few times I thought it was their best album. And I just listened to your review of the album and I agree. It’s some of the best music they had close to the edge was absolute best, but this album really impress me too. Yeah, I’m like you. I really liked Rick Wakeman. He’s just awesome and I wanted to recommend for you after he left. Yes after the topographic oceans album he did an album journey to the center of the Earth. You might wanna take a listen to that of his mobility on that album, and I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of it before but check it out. I think you’ll find it interesting
Your favorite? Fantastic. Guitar is fantastic
Thanks Justin. I have finally heard the album I've had for 45 years and never heard. This would have been over my head back then. I wouldn't have had the patience for it...
Art Rock. For Sure!!
I think Ritual is the strongest epic from the whole release. The Revealing Science is also a beautiful piece. They 'book-end' the double album well.
Ça me fascine à quel point ils marient une ambiance tribal voir primitive, avec une touche cosmique enrobé de classique. Ça prend du génie
Patrick Moraz played keyboards on the next album, Relayer, and it is some of the very best keyboard playing on any Yes album. He's very different from Wakeman (who is my favorite) in the sounds he uses, and in just the way he plays. I don't know that Relayer would be as great an album if Wakeman had played on it. The good news for you is, Wakeman returns for two more albums in the 70's: Going for the One in 1977 and Tormato in 1978. After the Tormato Tour, Wakeman and Jon Anderson left the band. They were replaced by Trevor Horn on vocals and Geoff Downes on keyboards. That line up made the 1980 album called Drama, and it is an exceptional album. It is a perfect bridge between 70's prog and 80's synth pop.
Heard it first time back in 1985 . I was 18. Still love it ! Hugs from Brazil >>>
"We all know what we think of Rolling Stone." 😅 Love it! You come up with some great quotable material.
I really hoped you WOULD NOT skip this. Great review! I always liked TFTO from my very first listen not long after it was released. My ranking of the sides: 4, 3, 1, 2.
This is a truly amazing album. As I said on one of the previous videos, it takes more than one listen to catch and appreciate all of the thematic melodies that repeat throughout the album.
Congrats Justin..finally conpleted this prog master piece😅
It’s not an album that I listen to all the time, but when I do listen to it, I do it intentionally, front to back. It is an absolutely gorgeous album, and it has some of my most favorite musical moments of all time in it. I will listen to revealing science of God outside of the album, but that’s the only one that I will listen to by itself.
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Saw them performing life..amazing
This album would be great if one is in a car on a long trip.
I've done that!
You are correct! I can attest to that. I've done it MANY times. And there's so much detail that it never gets boring, even after 45 years of driving.
I always figured the "meandering" or what i would call "incohesive flow" was intentional because it symbolizes The In between Times of physical existence and the non physical existence. Like the one lyric in The Remembering, He says The strength regains us In between our times. Like some crazy metaphysical mystical shit purposely portrayed through the music itself. Hahaha, I listened to this album so many times on so much acid back in the day man. It is some deeply Mystical shit going on though bro in the lyrics and the music, Jon especially was really into the Ancient Mystery Teachings and all that Mystical stuff, as am I....As is most of the planet even if they don't realize it....May the Force Be With You.
...Amazing how such a complex, long piece of music (all 4 tracks) always leaves me unsatisfied........some parts are magical, but overall, all I remember is 'insipid, boring, repetitive' to describe it, even though it is amazingly performed. by the best proggers in history.
You will loveit Justin..bet
... YES.
Not going to find hooks or any pop type formulas on this album. I think that's why it's so reviled, one of my favorites. Seen Yes live more times than I can remember. The symphonic show was heaven. Ritual was always great live but every song was. The early 'decades!' were best IMHO.
This song does have some interesting instrumental sections. However, I still feel the best thing about this album is the cover art.
I suggest you Ritual live at Qeen's Park 1975.Sure you gonna love it.
Rick Wakeman returned for 2 more albums. Going For The One, which you already reacted to from 1977 and Tormato from 1978. I personally think GFTO is one of their best albums. Tormato is a mixed bag. There are good and awful songs on it. Wakeman does a lot on that album and the songs are shorter. If you react to it, you'll probably like some of it. The last track is my favorite. On The Silent Wings Of Freedom is one of their best tracks ever. Worth checking it out just for that track alone.
Nous sommes du soleil. We are of the sun. You pronounce it like nu som du so-lay. J'adore beaucoup les contes des océans topographiques
Respect for trashing a lot of the critics😎
I guess that this side is my fav of the four. But it still leaves me hoping for a banger in there. Understand why Wakeman bugged out. Still love the band. Relayer is more adventurous and even in it's abstractness more to the point. Thanks for this forum!
You da best, dude. Been loving this band since 73 or so when I first heard an edited version of Roundabout on AM radio. Bought Yessongs and been in love ever since. Thanks again.
Now I know why Beethoven's 5th never quite caught on. No real "hooky" parts... 🤪
Many were and still are parroting early reviewers who did not have ears for broader symphonic music.
And then there is the stupid contricting tribal biases.
Now, with newborn fresh ears, the true quality of this daring pop(?) music is better valued for its quality.
😂 I hedged
Have you read the sleeve notes, looked into how the four sides tell the story, maybe read some Yes interviews from the time to see how Yes saw this and especially Jon. Keep reminding yourself of the track title and the music fits better, sont expect the norn, they never went dor hits or hum along bits, its mean as a four side journey ro enlightement. Go deep and it will eventually all fit together...it may take decades.
In a 1974 interview. Jon was asked about The Revealing Science Of God. "I don't see much about God in it. And I don't see anything about science. So, what's it about?"
Jon answered "When we wrote that song, we didn't know what we were writing."
That song has more lyrics than all other Yes songs in their 55 year catalog.
Is this the Steven Wilson mix?
Unlike some Reactors, Ive noticed that you don't even DARE deal with YES lyrics! 😂. Many are warned about them but they do play a HUGE part in TOTALITY of the work and would give a understanding of why Jon sings as he does for any given piece. Cleary he never sings melodies in typical Rock fashion. Hes not that guy!
This track sums up the album nicely. It's better than you thought, parts of it are great, but it takes way too long. The few great melodic ideas get buried beneath a mass of over-production. All in all, it doesn't mean a whole lot.
the melodies are awesome. it isn't a pop tune. There are hooks. hear the album a few times and it should become clear.
Skip it??😂😂😂only if you are not a yes fan
its better live
Your take was very premature.
I really dislike all the singing on this track.
The music is far better without the singing.
It’s not an album that I listen to all the time, but when I do listen to it, I do it intentionally, front to back. It is an absolutely gorgeous album, and it has some of my most favorite musical moments of all time in it. I will listen to revealing science of God outside of the album, but that’s the only one that I will listen to by itself.