Allah makes people commit adultery and other sins -Sahih Muslim 2658a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. -Sahih Muslim 2749 you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence Allah gives you a black stone to try to forgive the sins ( of Allah )caused by Allah ? Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919 He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' Allah is a sinful messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger: Allah is not noble, Allah is a filthy messenger
If Allah is one why does he keep referring to himself as “we” all over the Quran . Also mentions that if he wanted he would take it amongst “us”. You see Allah is clearly not one god as you think he is 🤣
@@JomggIn the Qur'an, Allah is sometimes referred to as "We." This use of the plural form is understood in Islamic theology as a form of pluralis majestatis or the "royal we." It is a linguistic device used to denote majesty, grandeur, and authority. This usage does not imply multiplicity or division within the essence of God, as Islam emphasizes the absolute oneness (Tawhid) of Allah. The "We" in these contexts indicates Allah's supreme power and authority over creation, similar to how kings or rulers might historically use the plural form to speak of themselves in an exalted manner. Despite this, Allah is always understood as singular and unique, with no partners or equals. This usage is also found in other Semitic languages and cultures, such as Hebrew and Aramaic, where God or monarchs may refer to themselves in the plural to emphasize their majesty.
When someone is following the truth with all the search that he made he will confident he will give answers to your questions unlike some Christian preacher when they get stuck they brought Jesus love you he die for your sin and all these emotional stuff without giving logical reasons.
@@Monnemoiselle So you do admit the guy is composed, and by implication his opponent is off balance. You have answered yourself hhhh However, regardless of form, the Muslim has clearly crushed the insect
@@Thomas20249 You can be composed but still lie or be tricky with your words, what he was doing.. It like you say something then I tryy my best to find a tricky way to "lie" about what you really said. No one wants to talk to a person like this, its dishonest!
Happens when the kid you're debating is constantly lying, inventing stuff and misrepresenting your position. My question is: are Muslims all there in the head? The more I see these debates, the more I ask myself. You seriously think Muslim Lantern addressed the points in the debate? That he didn't make himself look like a clown? He was going off the dawah script with a top notch debater 😅 this isn't speaker's corner with random people who happen to go to church on Sunday, saying 'oh Jesus didn't know the hour' won't get you far with somebody who knows his faith. He seriously got owned on every part of the debate yet I see the muslims believing that he made great points. Wow.
@@ummayesha111 ? But the Quran has Allah say the Sun sets in a muddy pool ... maybe a 7C man might think that, if the read the Alexander Romances, and took it for a real historical account, and knew little about cosmology. But not God.
@@collybeverthis vers speak about how "thu elkarneyn " saw the sun sets not as an explanation about a natural event In the Quran it is stated that the sun and the moon are traveling in an orbit (aya 21:33)
This is not a proper formula, sneako's not good at this,he jst making debate rules as he goes along. ML normally we'll organised, but this Christian guy is aggressive and sneako's not bringing order.
I agree, if he's gonna mod future debates he needs to learn how to. Though I would rather give Sneako the platform than MDD the Evangelical guy who does everything to please his Atheist audience. Sneako has at least a mix of Muslims and Christians in his audience.
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnkthe Qur’aan does say the previous scriptures have been heavily edited, and nothing like the Injeel given to Prophet Isa ( who you call Jesus) Al-Madiah 5:48 ‘We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them.’ Allah states the Qur’aan is holds supreme authority over all past religious texts. The injeel is the original Bible, however the New Testament has been changed so much it’s no longer valid. Al-Baqarah 2:79 ‘So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.’
Read the Bible. God is not the unapproachable entity of Islam. Hence you see Him appear in human form, even as also in heaven, in the Old Testament. Hence the Word of God appearing to Abraham in Genesis 15. This person of God is the one who creates the covenants, also seen with Moses on Sinai, and also incarnated as Jesus our Saviour (the new covenant). Mohammed was ummi, the Quran says, which means uneducated. He hadn;t taken the effort to learn Aramaic, similar to Arabic, and hence read the Bible. He used second-rate non-canonical texts. E.g late written gnostic gospels that were rejected by christians, since the latter wanted perfect preservation, not dodgy sources. So Mohammed has Jesus born in the wilderness in Surah 19. In fact the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem according to prophet Micah, and the gospels tell of this.
Muslim Lantern is undefeated in his arguments! MashAllah! unfortunately THE MODERATORS or lack of was very disappointing. This was not a moderated debate/discussion, at all.
@@acogjefe4769 lmao you haven't watched one Jay debate and already claiming he can't debate. Go watch jay dyer vs Daniel or shabir alley and then try to tell me he isn't levels above them
@@ghengiskhan9308 I just watched this one and he doesn't come with any compelling arguments or evidence. He says Jesus' and HS lack of knowledge of the last hour is 'just rhetoric'... John 17:3 is just rhetoric. Every time Jesus isn't divine it's rhetoric but when it ambiguous verses then take it to mean trinity. Just wow, may Allah guide you. Sincere will see through this shaitan Jay.
@lionkingroblox8281 on what? On his smugness? He's not going to change my mind on Islam. My people suffered 600 years under Islam and remained Christian the whole time. Worldly freedom didn't convince any single one of my ancestors. There's no way a smirk and a laugh is going to convince me. Especially from a guy that can't read the scripture or the fathers in greek.
@@BarbaPamino calm down bro. We don’t need to convince someone who doesn’t wanna be sincere enough to seek out the truth. The Bible is written by anonymous authors. It’s got so many mistakes and contradictions. It is not the direct revelation given to Jesus. The four gospels are the works of anonymous authors that are being attributed to Matthew, mark, Luke, and John…That alone should be sufficient enough for someone to seek out the truth. Jesus was a true monotheistic. His message was of pure monotheism, to worship God only without associating any equal or partners. Just like all of the other prophets and messengers throughout the history. God wouldn’t suddenly change his message and come in a form of trinity. The development of trinity is a clear proof of Roman influence on Christianity. No prophets or messengers ever preached the message of trinity.
Lantern is definitely not logical and was wasting time . It becomes very difficult to keep your composer when dealing with someone who is intentionally acting stupid and being hypocritical.
@@jmb47kkamikaze80u know jay did nothing here but embarrased himself with his emotions aswell showing his racist accent towards lantern stop bieng biased u just wnna go ahesd with anythjng that hoes against islam thats why u will never have an open mind
Is Gay Lyer seriously comparing the persons of the Trinity to the attributes of Allah? This is absolutely stupid because the attributes of Allah aren't individual, independent persons, they are things that exist in abstract, they aren't part of Allah nor are they separate from him. The three persons of the Trinity are physical and three entities that aren't the same as we read from the Bible. But the worst part about Jay's fallacious argument is that if we was to use the same argument against his three deities who themselves have attributes then that would mean that the attributes of the three persons of the Trinity are persons and that would mean that Trinitarians have more than 3 gods. But of course Mr. Lyer would never use this against his own deities otherwise it would destroy the Trinity.
Hey, just thought I'd comment in the Muslim safe-space upload of this video. Jay BTFO your "intellectual," and you're either too stupid to understand the holes in Lantern's rhetoric, or feigning ignorance in bad faith. My bet is on the former 😁
@@azuramechode9812 As someone who acts like a "Christian" representative he acted very immature, impatiently and kept interjecting. If he is sure about the truth and did his research he can just let the guy talk and tackle his points one bye one. Now he looked like a fool and embarrassed Christianity. Christianity teaches humbleness and humility. None of that was shown.
@@CantIllaoiThat he was erratic and interjected because that's a debate tactic. He tried to make him look overwhelmed or incapable of answering by constant interjections and shotgun questions. It's a legitimate tactic in debating but he used it poorly. He could've been calm as you said, and answered in an orderly manner but then he will undoubtedly lose the debate because his position is simply unwinnable. One person who I've seen using this tactic successfully is Andrew Wilson if you want to watch him.
@@azuramechode9812 I agree that since he is very confident in what he knows just let the other guy ramble and answer his points one by one. Because people are focussed on his poor and childish attitude instead of his message. I think if you compare both religions Christianity has less contradictions that Islam. Especially because Muslims claim Quran has never been changed or altered, which is not true. I know Andrew Wilson and as you said he is very good at it because he doesn't respond from emotion but uses logic in a stoic manner
If you paid attention you would realise that Muslim Lantern debunked Muhammad. According to Muhammad the previous scriptures have not been corrupted but not so according to Muslim Lantern.
@@kwamegordon1448 he responded to that shit argument if you watched the debate. Also Allah affirms the previous scriptures given to Moses and Jesus . Which is not the Bible you have today . You guys believe the gospels were written after Jesus . We believe the Gospel of Jesus was given to him by Allah . And notice how I said Gospel of Jesus . Which is not mark , Luke who are btw anamynous. Also to put a lie to you . I’ll bring a Hadith that debunks that whole narrative that Sam kept using to divert and not defend the illogical trinity : It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with some written material he had got from one of the people of the Book. He read it to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and he got angry and said: “Are you confused (about your religion), O son of al-Khattaab? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I have brought it (the message of Islam) to you clear and pure. Do not ask them about anything, lest they tell you something true and you disbelieve it, or they tell you something false and you believe it. By the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Moosa were alive, he would have no option but to follow me.” Narrated by Ahmad (14736); classed as hasan by al-Albaani This incident debunks yiur whole argument . Because if the scriptures of the people of the book (ie Jews and Christians) were not corrupted like you claimed the prophet believed . Why did the prophet say I don’t want you to believe in something they say and it be false ???? Meaning that the book they had contained false info . Meaning it was corrupted
Allah makes people commit adultery and other sins -Sahih Muslim 2658a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. -Sahih Muslim 2749 you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence Allah gives you a black stone to try to forgive the sins ( of Allah )caused by Allah ? Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919 He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.' Allah is a sinful messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger: Allah is not noble, Allah is a filthy messenger
Jay is that much of a sore loser he cant even let Lantern speak uninterrupted, constantly whinging like a child. If anyone feels like I'm bullshitting I can timestamp every time Jay lost his cool cos he knew he was screwed and interrupted
That's the only thing he can resort to when he's losing that much. Any person who learned a language besides their native language know how hard it is to master it, let alone debate in that second/third/etc. language.
@@LetMaseCookimagine thinking todays mutts in the Middle East was the same people back then lol just look at your fave and admix completely different your brown and mixed with black slave dna and south Asian slave dna real Arabs and Middle Easterns are white
@@67I36he showed the audience in this debate how he doesn't listen and interrupts his opposition, how he has no knowledge of the sects of islam and what are really arguing about, how he was asked about knowledge limitations but he talked about the equality in goodness, and most importantly how he confuses the word attribute with the word part and try to deceive like the devil does when he was asked to clarify.
@@messikhchouaib8922 lantern didn't ask about knowledge limitations, I don't believe. Are you talking about the debate with Jake where he doesn't even understand the distinction between hypostatic properties and energies? I mean, I'd agree with you that the whole debate yesterday was just lantern stupidly confusing ontological hierarchy with hypostatic hierarchy, which to the naked eye isn't too bad, like you guys who have no interest in theology. But to us who are even slightly interested in theology, it's an embarrassment, and so it's clear from the basic mistakes and continual fallacies lantern was making that Jay Dyer absolutely annihilated him 🤦♂️🤦♂️.
@@NafaaFPV Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."
@@NafaaFPV Sunan Ibn Majah 3324 It was narrated that ‘Aishah said: “My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.”
By that's logic, Jusus, the man, with a particular skin colour, colours of hair, body, his love for humanity, ability to do things, and his other attributes will mean there a lot more than 3 in 1. It should be Trinity in this case. I really don't get this argument and this is not the first time I have heard a Christian makes it.
This message is for all the Christians who come across it, maybe its a sign from Allah! I am an ex christian. I was a Christian for over 29 years of my life. I am now a muslim thank Allah! I suggest you look up this video called revd Keith ward in discussion with blogging theology. Because you are a layman. You know nothing about the thoughts of the scholars of Christianity. They believe that the trinity is a heresy!!! If Christians listened to their scholars the way we do as muslims, the trinity would be dead. Your scholars also believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. So in a nutshell you believe that God sent himself down to earth to become his own son Jesus Christ, just to sacrifice himself to himself, in order to convince himself to forgive u? That is your doctrine? Also, if it was the Human part of Christ that died, as many Christians claim, and his divine essence lived on and joined god the father and god the holy spirit, what happened to your 'divine' sacrifice? In order to be saved, God's son, who is also god, must die. His divinity must die in order for the 'divine' sacrifice to be accepted by the father. Hence the forgiveness of all sins, past present and future. God couldn't just sacrifice a human, because it wouldn't work that way. It had to be a 'divine' sacrifice. So if that part of god didn't die and it was just the human nature that died, that means it WAS a human sacrifice! Which only the pagans did and god rebuked such a sacrifice in the old testiment. It's why god didn't allow Abraham to go through woth the actual killing of his firstborn son, Ishmael. Open your eyes before you die. We never know when that time will arrive, but we must all taste death. Once you're in the grave, only God can hear you. And that God is the father, Jesus called him Alaha. And the father (Alaha) is jealous! He doesn't forgive paganism, which christianity has unfortunately adopted. I know hearing this angers you as a Christian, just as it angered me before islam. Here is your history. The Romans worshipped zeus, hades, poseidon, hercules etc. The church wanted to grow bigger and so they invited those same pagan Romans to Join Christianity. Many refused and so the council of nicea was held. Augustin was the first to make jesus divine and a part of god. Constantine then took over. At this point in history, the holy spirit didnt even enter the picture. It was added 450 years after jesus was added to the so called 'godhead.' They needed to make another 'hercules.' A demigod if you will. And now look at what you believe in today. You believe that jesus is a demigod. You may disagree with this word demigod, but at times the truth can hurt us. Think! We muslims want paradise for you, yet you seem to hate us. I know islam seems like a foreign concept, but so was judaism at one point. The torah was revealed in hebrew. To you I'm sure hebrew seems foreign, especially the writing. Jesus spoke Aramaic, it is a sister language of both hebrew and arabic. When Jesus called out to the father he cried "Alaha!" When Moses called out to the father he cried "Elah!" When Muhammad called out to the father he cried "allah!" So similar. Yet in english you say god? Father? THOSE words are unfamiliar. Isn't it beautiful? Three semetic languages, so similar the name of god could almost be the same. Also, god doesn't change. He revealed all scripture to the 3 semetic languages. Yet you fear the last? You are blinded by racism and fear. It is your religion and language that has become unfamiliar. It is britain that changed to name of Elah to god. To the father. Your lord God did not reveal the bible in english! Once you realize that, the quran is no longer a foreign revelation! Arabic will no longer be scary. Please. Listen to what I'm saying to you. Paul was a spy for the Roman empire and he introduced the concept of christ dying for the sins of mankind. He also abrogated the law. Whilst jesus came to fulfill and uphold it. What did jesus say? 'If anyone changes even just a jott or tittle from the law, they are the least in the kingdom of heaven.' Jesus was a Palestinian jew. He was circumcised, didnt eat pork, observed the sabbath, his mother was covered from head to toe, and he prayed with his forehead on the ground. You Christians were supposed to be jews, with new laws for that time only! Jesus only came for the lost sheep of Israel. Not for us, the gentile. Satan whispered to the Roman empire, they whispered to Paul, and he made you believe in abregating the law and believing in the sacrifice of a demigod. This is your history. Please stop allowing your heart to be blinded by the devil. When Jesus returns, what will he say and who will he say it to? We have gotten some clues from this chapter in the gospel of Matthew. He is talking to those who call him lord. Who calls jesus lord? Do muslims call jesus lord? 🤔 Do the jews,who say he is boiling in human excrement, call jesus lord? 🤔 No. The only people who call jesus lord are the Christians. Here is what he said and will say to you specifically. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23). Yet when you, as a Christian go to church, you only hear jesus being talked about by the pastor. I see Christians online say, 'in the name of jesus!' Or 'may jesus bless you!' Or when you end a prayer you say, 'in Jesus' name, amen!' Your religion has erased the father completely. You may mention him when you say in the name of father son and holy spirit, but that is rare. And this wouldn't be accepted anyway, since your associating partners with him, the lord of all worlds! And this he hates most. This, he cannot and will not forgive. Look at your churches as an example. You have statues, images and you call on jesus in prayer. All of the things god, Elah, Alaha forbid you from doing. Online, Christians always say in the name of jesus, and I feel I need to correct them. They need to say in the name of the father, at the very least! Who created jesus in marys womb? It is now all about a man. It stopped being about God who created said man, said prophet. "There is no way to the father (alaha) except through me." Yes, this was true at the time of jesus. He was the only Prophet after all. If you didn't follow him, you were against God. Same with Noah, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad peace be upon them all. The only way to know god, is by following the prophet of your time. "This is eternal life, that they may know you, the ONLY true God, and jesus christ whom you have sent." God sends prophets my dear Christian siblings. He has many sons and daughters. The Christians have erased Alaha and elah from the Bible entirely. The thing i dislike about the british language, is they feel the need to translate names! Names should remain the same. For example jesus means hail zeus, his real name was yoshua. So everytime you finish a prayer you are not only praying to a man, your also praying to a mythological deity! Yet you believe those prayers will be accepted? You believe you are saved? One must be honest. Look at how loyal the Muslims are, how they pray 5 times per day. They follow the quran to the letter and you actually believe THEY will go to hell? Whilst on the other hand, you celebrate paganism on the 25th of December, disguising it as the day of Jesus' birth. Shephards do not work during the winter, his animals are tucked away nice and cosy in their barns. You may go to church on a Sunday and only when its a special occasion. You put your hands together to pray without making sure you are clean enough to stand in the sight of god, and you dont even know your own bible. Yet the muslims will go to hell? You know that isn't true and I'm sorry if that hurts you. If god were to pick who is more devoted to him, you know deep down who he would pick out of Christianity, judaism and Islam. I won't even go there with the Jews, they're just racist to both of us, yet Christians tend to support the genocide of Jesus' own decendents. If he was in fact your lord, you'd be waging a war against them this second. Bethlehem is gone. It's under the rubble. This is how I know Christians don't truly believe jesus is God. If you truly believed that, Israel would not longer exist, just for bombing Bethlehem alone. For killing over 186,000 decendents of god himself. I want Christians who come across this comment, to reassess what the church is telling them. To research the matter. In fact, did you know that almost all Christian scholars believe that prophet Muhammad is the last and final Prophet? And that they call the trinity a heresy. These are the men and women who live and breathe the bible in all forms. And they come to this conclusion after years of research. But the Christian scholars say that the Christian layman refuses to listen to them. Are you a Christian layman who will refuse, or will you listen to the talks of your scholars? Like I said in the beginning, please watch revd (reverand) Keith ward in a discussion with blogging theology. If one wishes to enter paradise, one must never place all their eggs in one basket, especially if you cant even logically explain what you believe in. I've typed more than enough. I have tried to help and educate you. Now it's your turn to educate yourself. Good luck, and may Alaha guide you to the truth. If yoshua was here, this is what he would call the lord of all worlds, his God and our God.
I screen recorded to have a proper read, so far the first half I read was great, Mashallah. Thank you for sharing, may Allah SWT reward you for your efforts 🤲🏽
I don’t know what all those books in jay’s background are but it’s really worrying that you can spend all that time reading and still be this ignorant and lack fundamental basic logic
Embarassing behavior from Jay, he is not a man of debate, he put only a bad image to Christianity. Ali have to much patience to waste so much time with a man like him.
All those verses where you see Jesus recognizing the father as “greater than I” or ect does not change his divinity at all your brain is too small to understand the monarchical trinity relationship. The source of the word ie Jesus and the source of the holy spirit come from the father. The fathers spirit cannot be created even Islam recognizes allahs words can’t be created but isn’t him it’s the same thing Jesus isn’t the father in personnel but in divinity.
@@AZULA69 Your Allah despite his threats contained in his Qur'an is powerless and puny and yet somehow you think ML who follows your weak Allah can destroy the Trinity? Some Muslims are truly entertaining.
@@mzaiful Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378 It was narrated that 'Aishah said: "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."
@@mzaiful Sunan Ibn Majah 3324 It was narrated that ‘Aishah said: “My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.”
I'm sorry but Jay is a very bad representation of Christianity, he's very disrespectful and not patient and clearly does not know how a debate format works, he even puts on a bud bud accent in order to mock MA which is if fact racist... FAO Sneako, my brother you need to be a better moderator to either party who interrupt each others time especially Jay in this case.
@@boombalus you obviously don't know God's principles because Jesus called people names in the bible and didn't care about being "offensive." He said every fruit not planted by God will be plucked out anyways! Lol. Who cares if they're offended.
His view of Christianity is orthodox the rest of you have the wrong interpretation of Christ that makes no sense when compared to scripture and the church fathers. Islam eats up you sheepish apologists. They don't know how to handle debaters with steel in their spine like Dyer and Sam. The lines of subservience make zero sense without monarchial trinitarianism.
@@Christa-ChildofGodwhy is the Bible a reliable source of information? Can the word of God be corrupted and can it have any contradiction in it? Which Bible do you believe in? I mean how many books does the Bible have? Different Bibles have different numbers of books?
Who can not understand that black is an attribute,i mean fr,this jay guy acts like black is growing on trees,it is an attribute of something,it is not a part, part can be removed and still exist, black can't be removed from shirt and exist like an object
Saying objectively this jay guy trolled himself and everyone else. The dude disrespectful like idk interrupting and raising stupid arguments. If muslim lantern says there is nothing like god that means we cant comprehend what his attributes mean. IF we can love we cant comprehend perfect love what god has. What is hard to understand that issue
@@olubee1999Muhammad may have made mistakes in the opening mention of the Gospel of John - But then what happened was that Jay was hasty and only spoke without listening, and all he cared about was establishing an argument against Muhammad - On the contrary, Muhammad heard Jay's entire opening and never interrupted him, and this can be seen by anyone - Jay came to ask Muhammad a question about God - .Muhammad told him that we in Islam do not use these terms - Jay did not understand, because he bases all his arguments on terms that the Qur’an or Sunnah do not use, and he was insisting that Muhammad respond. - Then after that, he said that he did not want to answer, even though Muhammad answered and told him that we do not use these terms, and he explained to him the idea of God’s attributes in Islam. - Jay said that the fathers of the early church agreed on the Trinity - When Muhammad asked him, he said, “No, I did not say that.” - Where is the credibility? - Jay spoke about the Mu'tazila without knowing their beliefs - He lied about the Qur’an and said that the Qur’an says to return to the Torah and the Gospel to prove the Qur’an, and this is a lie. - Jay does not know what Muslims believe about the Torah and the Bible - Therefore, in the debate, he did not stick to one verse, but rather moved through the verses because he was distracted
@@virtualwanderer Sure they did. That's why Abduls have been making dozens of "refutation" videos since the debate. Because the 2 scholars did such a good job of refuting during the debate. What do you think was the highlight for the Muslim team? Showing Super Mario? 😂
@olukoyaroheemah8894 funny u thing lantern won. I'll admit the way Jay conducted the debate was bad. But that doesn't change the arguments made. And I'll bet you still haven't understood the issue jay pointed out.
Lantern asked for a consice and summarized definition of the trinity. Which is fair . Like you don't expect to give a 5 -10 minutes explanation everytime someone asks the definition of the trinity
I'm Muslim but unbiased when it comes to debates. E.g. the one with Jay Dyer and Sheikh Asrar, the Muslim brother performed really poorly. However here it's a clear win for Muslim Lantern. Dyer provided no evidence for his belief system, twisted scripture and used the cop out 'rhetoric' excuse every time is disagreed with his core doctrine.
Allah is a messenger Quran 69:40 the words of a noble messenger And a sinner Sahih Muslim 2658 a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. But Jesus is God and He is holy John 14:9 he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; ( Father /GOD) . Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:. But then Allah is a messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger and Allah is a sinner, Jesus is God and He is not a sinner .Sahih Muslim 2658 a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. I have shown you where Jesus said He is God, also Jesus created everything including you, now let’s see if you will address my point about Allah being a sinful messenger lol lot was a prophet ? Do you know where Muhammad learnt this names from waraqa who was translating the Bible in to Arabic. Sahih al-Bukhari 4953 Khadija then took him to Waraqa bin Naufil, the son of Khadija's paternal uncle. Waraqa had been converted to Christianity in the Pre-lslamic Period and used to write Arabic and write of the Gospel in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "Then the Angel held me (forcibly) and pressed me so hard that I felt distressed. Then he released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me again and pressed me for the second time till I felt distressed. He then released me and asked me to read, but again I replied. 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me for the third time and pressed me till I got distressed, and then he released me and said, 'Read, Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) returned with that experience; and the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling till he came upon Khadija (his wife) and said, "Cover me!" They covered him, and when the state of fear was over, he said to Khadija, "O Khadija! What is wrong with me? I was afraid that something bad might happen to me." Sahih al-Bukhari 6982 But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet (ﷺ) became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Messenger
Muslim lantern didn’t even win the debate it was kinda done for him as soon as he didn’t address any of the qualities of Jesus and just tried to get a clip saying that the son can be subordinate in role but not in ability. And affirms the fact that the Quran itself is circular
Muslims like you I respect very much. When it comes to debates we have to be unbiased as much as possible so we actually can break it down. Love brother❤️💯
Legend has it that, even now the Muslim Lantern and entire Ummah still Afraid to answer the question of the raltionship between Allah and his Attributes.
Allah is Gracious, merciful, caring, the pardoner, compassionate, eternal, mighty, etc...How does that make Allah more than one being? It's His attributes
@@KalliAbdoury Wait, the question is how is Allah related to his attributes? And you are rephrasing me by saying they are his attributes . I know they are his attributes! But the question is how are they related to Allah?
Sneako is not very good at moderating. They should mute one side and let one side speak, then mute the other side and let the other speak. This is just people yelling over each other. Once they started letting each side speak uninterrupted, Lantern destroyed Jays arguments. Jay was trying to say the trinity is monarchical. A monarchy does not represent 3 equal things. Things are either equal or not. If one is superior in any way, then they are not equal.
@@MU-we8hzI think he already did. Well he also reviewed it but did show the full debate. He did not edit it and comment it out of context on other platforms like some other 😅
@@deed9430 no he didn't. Only the "analysis". He is too scared to upload it. Months ago he had a debate with GodLogic. He also didn't upload it and when GodLogic uploaded it for a analysis he flagged him for copyright. He is scared and i should be also if i got lectured like that
Jay goes and on about attributes. So, does this mean that his god doesn't have any attributes? What is he even saying? To think people think he is a good debater. He can only appeal to the audience and hope his nonsense makes them hate Islam. He doesn't care about the truth or being right.
As usual, Muslim Lantern dismantled his doctrine and refuted Jays attempt of bringing up Quran verses to prove the Quran "confirms the Bible" he has with him today 😂
What point did Dyer make that Lantern didn't have a sufficient response? Dyer ended the debate without responding to any of Lantern's points e.g. the son being subordinate, not equal, the only true God is the father etc. Look at the manners exhibited from your champion, look at the childish name calling, interruptions and racist behaviour from your representetive. Insane cope from Christians in the comments.
Jay may have been aggressive and interrupting all the time, but it's only because Lantern was a fallacy machine and twisting/misrepresenting things to his advantage. This was a short debate. You can't have trackstars like Lantern. If he was under proper moderation with only the facts, it's a landslide victory for Jay. If you actually understood Jay you'd know he answered all of Lantern's points and left him running. The Son is not equal with the Father in terms of authority, so not literally equal in everything - strawman. He is coequal in terms of his nature. It's like 1 person out of 3 leading, yet all of the people have the exact same ability. You can't say one is better than the other. Since the Son is identical in nature, his existence is eternal with the Father, so it doesn't make him subordinate to the Father. The only true God being the Father is perfectly sound with monarchial trinitarism. It means The Father is the only uncaused source of God's essence. The Son proceeds from the Father, being distinct not separate, sharing nature.
Lantern dodged all these points and proved his lack of knowledge. Allah has 99 attributes as well as body parts like 2 right hands, shin, etc. Are they identical to himself? Are they with Allah being distinct from him yet inseparable? Or are they independent of Allah, having their own existence and separate to him? Option 1 would make you a Shia. Option 2 would mean your God is composed of parts and you have distinctions in God apart from his essence. We also have one essence and make distinctions for the three persons. So you can't have any problems with the trinity. It's a double standard. Option 3 would make the attributes separate Gods themselves, so you're a polytheist. Additionally, how can you say Allah is nothing like creation yet liken him with attributes (which we can comprehend) and especially human qualities like a foot or shin? Nowhere in the Quran does it ever say the Bible is corrupted. The Quran says (a specific group of Jews) by the mouths twisted the Torah, so the interpretation, not the actual text. They said a group wrote scriptures apart from the Torah and Gospel such as the Talmud, not the actual text. The Torah and the Gospel are often spoken of in Muhammad's present. It's in the hands of the Jews and Christians of Muhammad's time (the same one the Quran praises). If that's true then we can see that the 7th century Bible is pretty much identical to today's. More proof. If the Quran says judge by what has been revealed before and it is now corrupted, then that is illogical because you can't go judge by something which has been lost in the past.
There isn't any "cope" You muslims are just too dumb to understand that 2 people can have inequal authority while still having equal potential/ability. God the father is greater in Authority and Jesus is lesser. But they still share the same divine essence. A good analogy would be - In your workplace, your boss is greater in Authority than you even though you're both Human. Literally 5th Graders can understand this.
Abu Darda reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Nothing is heavier upon the scale of a believer on the Day of Resurrection than his good character. Verily, Allah hates the vulgar and obscene.”
@@YanPerak what did he explain? He was being asked "Are allah attributes self-sufficient or not?" The donkey was cornered and tried to digress the topic pretending he didn't understand the question. Once it is out of the ordinary, abduls struggle to pull something out of their dawa script
@@EUGEN093 You clowns don't give time for Ali to answer and interrupt every time Ali gives an answer. And I think you clowns don't understand what Ali are talking about.
I watched from his pov just now and he was mocking and making faces insulting when he was muted... He intentionally made Muhammads speaking time 2x fast just to make his fake followers think Muhammad is just blabbering without thinking... Sad tactics.
If you think this christian was in any shape or form anything less than an embarrassment then you're emotionally deluded. I was getting physically frustrated by his lack of knowledge and his attitude. He literally wasted everybody's time
Glorious Trinity- God prayed to himself God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind. Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself. Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself. God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly. God strengthened himself and talked to himself. Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself. While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself. Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his enemies as a footstool.
Every time I see a Christian debate, I thank Allah for showing me the right path. I left Christianity in 2018 and now converting to Islam. The anger does not reflect what Jesus was Jay is very angry.
Anyone who thinks Muslim Lantern won is a biased Muslim. Lantern is incredibly slimy in his debate tactics. Anyone who REALLY watched the debate knows Jay's arguments held more substance. ML was getting absolutely rocked on the attributes and had zero answers.
The fact that Christians even think in the first place that Allah having multiple attributes means he's many persons shows your general IQ, a summary of your debate tactics is create a position for us that we don't even believe in, then attack it
I love the fact that Jay was barking like a dog whiles he was muted by the host😂. Muslim Lantarn was confident and matured enough to obey the rules, and most importantly he was winning in style 😂.
ML- typical Muslim. Lies twisting words etc...ignorant and stupid is a choice and many Muslims choose to be ignorant and stupid. There....fixed it for you. You are welcome ☺
God is One with the best attributes. Trinity can never be explained. Every analogy leads to heresy. 3 different people with different attributes, each one lacking the basics e.g. HS and Jesus not knowing the last hour, the Father regretting creating mankind and getting incited by the devil. These 3 will never equal one God.
lucky for u if u scroll down a little on Muslim Lanterns channel, he has a whole conference talk about 3 hours long explaining Aqeedah and different sects and schools
@@ummayesha111 yeah I KNOW,but we can defend it,if you read the bible there is a concept of father,son and holy spirit. Now,I want to ask you if Mohammad claim that god talks to him and ordered every man to have UPTO 4 WIVES, while he himself can't OBEY a SIMPLE COMMANMENT,he marry 12 ? Do you believe him as a PROPHET? Use your brain,is that a PROPHET?
The christians win in the comment sections only 😂
Yeah and the Muslims win the comment section only 😂
Allah makes people commit adultery and other sins
-Sahih Muslim 2658a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it.
-Sahih Muslim 2749 you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence
Allah gives you a black stone to try to forgive the sins ( of Allah )caused by Allah ?
Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.'
Allah is a sinful messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger: Allah is not noble, Allah is a filthy messenger
@@ALLAHSSECRETS
Yeah, allah wants sinners. There's only 1 character I know who needs sinners
Christians win in real life. ❤
You clearly dont know what youre talking about
Jay needs to debate Hindu, let see whether Christianity or Hindu has more gods.
😂😂😂
If Allah is one why does he keep referring to himself as “we” all over the Quran . Also mentions that if he wanted he would take it amongst “us”. You see Allah is clearly not one god as you think he is 🤣
@@Jomgghave you not heard of the royal we?
@Jomgg, it's an amazing. Miracle of the quran. Check out numan Ali Khan who does an exegete of it
@@JomggIn the Qur'an, Allah is sometimes referred to as "We." This use of the plural form is understood in Islamic theology as a form of pluralis majestatis or the "royal we." It is a linguistic device used to denote majesty, grandeur, and authority. This usage does not imply multiplicity or division within the essence of God, as Islam emphasizes the absolute oneness (Tawhid) of Allah.
The "We" in these contexts indicates Allah's supreme power and authority over creation, similar to how kings or rulers might historically use the plural form to speak of themselves in an exalted manner. Despite this, Allah is always understood as singular and unique, with no partners or equals.
This usage is also found in other Semitic languages and cultures, such as Hebrew and Aramaic, where God or monarchs may refer to themselves in the plural to emphasize their majesty.
The Muslim is so composed and self confident, unlike the other guy who is so agitated, confused and fiery
When someone is following the truth with all the search that he made he will confident he will give answers to your questions unlike some Christian preacher when they get stuck they brought Jesus love you he die for your sin and all these emotional stuff without giving logical reasons.
@@HamzaabbasKhan True
Just because one is “composed” does not mean their arguments prevailed or were superior. Lantern is disingenuous and snarky.
@@Monnemoiselle So you do admit the guy is composed, and by implication his opponent is off balance. You have answered yourself hhhh
However, regardless of form, the Muslim has clearly crushed the insect
@@Thomas20249 You can be composed but still lie or be tricky with your words, what he was doing.. It like you say something then I tryy my best to find a tricky way to "lie" about what you really said. No one wants to talk to a person like this, its dishonest!
without yapping and lies Christianity dies 😂😂🤣
Do you mean Islam ?
@@olubee1999 Ah I see is that why Christians always get demolished in proper debates?
Please don't comment like Christians do. We are Muslims be good when making a comment do not mock them. Do not be them
Why do you muslims keep stealing our phrases?
How did you feel when your dawah clown compared Allahs attributes to Jays shirt? 😄
why u all christian always angry if talking about trinity?LOL
there god is dead of course there angry
Happens when the kid you're debating is constantly lying, inventing stuff and misrepresenting your position. My question is: are Muslims all there in the head? The more I see these debates, the more I ask myself.
You seriously think Muslim Lantern addressed the points in the debate? That he didn't make himself look like a clown?
He was going off the dawah script with a top notch debater 😅 this isn't speaker's corner with random people who happen to go to church on Sunday, saying 'oh Jesus didn't know the hour' won't get you far with somebody who knows his faith. He seriously got owned on every part of the debate yet I see the muslims believing that he made great points. Wow.
When the children ignore the teachings of the parent, after so many times, the parent will get angry that the kid is ignoring their teachings of truth
@@FloridaSkaters dude are you serious here are not paremt and child complex,this is debate.Jay cannot answers and thats wy he interrups a lot.
Don't talk nonsense you fool @@JamalAdam455
Jay is not in for a discussion or debating.
He's in for being disrespecting
they have this superiority god complex.. they can't critically think :(
@@fazeelalaher6250 Learn English before you comment in English.
@@ummayesha111 ? But the Quran has Allah say the Sun sets in a muddy pool ... maybe a 7C man might think that, if the read the Alexander Romances, and took it for a real historical account, and knew little about cosmology. But not God.
Typically for Christians
@@collybeverthis vers speak about how "thu elkarneyn " saw the sun sets not as an explanation about a natural event
In the Quran it is stated that the sun and the moon are traveling in an orbit (aya 21:33)
This is not a proper formula, sneako's not good at this,he jst making debate rules as he goes along. ML normally we'll organised, but this Christian guy is aggressive and sneako's not bringing order.
true!
I agree, if he's gonna mod future debates he needs to learn how to. Though I would rather give Sneako the platform than MDD the Evangelical guy who does everything to please his Atheist audience. Sneako has at least a mix of Muslims and Christians in his audience.
Why is this Christian so unchristian? Mocking, agressive and insulting !
Thankfully for the Muslim Cuckhold, his religion allows him to be mocking, aggressive and insulting.
Indeed. My question as well.
Many Muslims are the same
Can you tell me why muslims believe the previous scriptures are false, when the quran doesn't say that?
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnkthe Qur’aan does say the previous scriptures have been heavily edited, and nothing like the Injeel given to Prophet Isa ( who you call Jesus)
Al-Madiah 5:48
‘We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them.’
Allah states the Qur’aan is holds supreme authority over all past religious texts.
The injeel is the original Bible, however the New Testament has been changed so much it’s no longer valid.
Al-Baqarah 2:79
‘So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”-seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.’
Explain the trinity
Christian: 🤬😡😡🤬
He explained it like 20 times😭 just Muslim lantern is mentally slow
@@stralex5460no we are just logical and use logic and not emotions
@@stralex5460jay embarrassed himself and Christianity with his behavior and weak arguments 😂
Read the Bible. God is not the unapproachable entity of Islam. Hence you see Him appear in human form, even as also in heaven, in the Old Testament. Hence the Word of God appearing to Abraham in Genesis 15. This person of God is the one who creates the covenants, also seen with Moses on Sinai, and also incarnated as Jesus our Saviour (the new covenant). Mohammed was ummi, the Quran says, which means uneducated. He hadn;t taken the effort to learn Aramaic, similar to Arabic, and hence read the Bible. He used second-rate non-canonical texts. E.g late written gnostic gospels that were rejected by christians, since the latter wanted perfect preservation, not dodgy sources. So Mohammed has Jesus born in the wilderness in Surah 19. In fact the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem according to prophet Micah, and the gospels tell of this.
@@MasculinityThrives007is having intercourse with underage women logical?
Shameful behavior by the Christian. Disappointed.
You're not accustomed to the cuckhold Muslim Lantern, are you?
Another shameless christian. U disgrace the honourable people of your faith. @nephartuzim8879
Yeah you only know how to insult people @@nephartuzim8879
Yeah insulting him for no reason is very Christian like @nephartuzim8879
@@salimalkaabi9779 Who told you I'm Christian
Muslim Lantern is undefeated in his arguments! MashAllah! unfortunately THE MODERATORS or lack of was very disappointing. This was not a moderated debate/discussion, at all.
Jay Dyer is constantly interrupting . He doesn't even understand the Islamic aqida. What a waste.
Lmao Jay has debated more Muslims in 1 years than you've seen in a lifetime
@@ghengiskhan9308you can fight 100 people in a year but it doesn’t mean you know how to fight lol it just means you like to fight
@@acogjefe4769 lmao you haven't watched one Jay debate and already claiming he can't debate. Go watch jay dyer vs Daniel or shabir alley and then try to tell me he isn't levels above them
Nah we wont waste our time listening to that autistic jay
@@ghengiskhan9308 I just watched this one and he doesn't come with any compelling arguments or evidence. He says Jesus' and HS lack of knowledge of the last hour is 'just rhetoric'... John 17:3 is just rhetoric. Every time Jesus isn't divine it's rhetoric but when it ambiguous verses then take it to mean trinity. Just wow, may Allah guide you. Sincere will see through this shaitan Jay.
Jay should not be representing any religion. This guy is outrageously disrespectful.
Christin academia 🤦♂️
I'll take mean over smug. This Iantern is so full himself it's silly.
@@BarbaPaminodebate him then XD
@lionkingroblox8281 on what? On his smugness? He's not going to change my mind on Islam. My people suffered 600 years under Islam and remained Christian the whole time. Worldly freedom didn't convince any single one of my ancestors. There's no way a smirk and a laugh is going to convince me. Especially from a guy that can't read the scripture or the fathers in greek.
@@BarbaPamino calm down bro. We don’t need to convince someone who doesn’t wanna be sincere enough to seek out the truth. The Bible is written by anonymous authors. It’s got so many mistakes and contradictions. It is not the direct revelation given to Jesus. The four gospels are the works of anonymous authors that are being attributed to Matthew, mark, Luke, and John…That alone should be sufficient enough for someone to seek out the truth. Jesus was a true monotheistic. His message was of pure monotheism, to worship God only without associating any equal or partners. Just like all of the other prophets and messengers throughout the history. God wouldn’t suddenly change his message and come in a form of trinity. The development of trinity is a clear proof of Roman influence on Christianity. No prophets or messengers ever preached the message of trinity.
Muslim Lanter: calm and logical
Jay Dyer: childish and emotional
Lantern is definitely not logical and was wasting time .
It becomes very difficult to keep your composer when dealing with someone who is intentionally acting stupid and being hypocritical.
@@klashinkov Muslim lantern led about not knowing what aqeedah is, so you're good with the lies as long as it's Islamic?
@@jmb47kkamikaze80u know jay did nothing here but embarrased himself with his emotions aswell showing his racist accent towards lantern stop bieng biased u just wnna go ahesd with anythjng that hoes against islam thats why u will never have an open mind
Is Gay Lyer seriously comparing the persons of the Trinity to the attributes of Allah? This is absolutely stupid because the attributes of Allah aren't individual, independent persons, they are things that exist in abstract, they aren't part of Allah nor are they separate from him.
The three persons of the Trinity are physical and three entities that aren't the same as we read from the Bible. But the worst part about Jay's fallacious argument is that if we was to use the same argument against his three deities who themselves have attributes then that would mean that the attributes of the three persons of the Trinity are persons and that would mean that Trinitarians have more than 3 gods. But of course Mr. Lyer would never use this against his own deities otherwise it would destroy the Trinity.
hey what are you doing ! you cannot use logic when talking about Christianity 😂😂😂
This was a total waste. Jay was an absolute embarrassment. Pathetic
He did the best anyone could do
Hey, just thought I'd comment in the Muslim safe-space upload of this video. Jay BTFO your "intellectual," and you're either too stupid to understand the holes in Lantern's rhetoric, or feigning ignorance in bad faith. My bet is on the former 😁
@@azuramechode9812 As someone who acts like a "Christian" representative he acted very immature, impatiently and kept interjecting. If he is sure about the truth and did his research he can just let the guy talk and tackle his points one bye one. Now he looked like a fool and embarrassed Christianity. Christianity teaches humbleness and humility. None of that was shown.
@@CantIllaoiThat he was erratic and interjected because that's a debate tactic. He tried to make him look overwhelmed or incapable of answering by constant interjections and shotgun questions. It's a legitimate tactic in debating but he used it poorly. He could've been calm as you said, and answered in an orderly manner but then he will undoubtedly lose the debate because his position is simply unwinnable. One person who I've seen using this tactic successfully is Andrew Wilson if you want to watch him.
@@azuramechode9812 I agree that since he is very confident in what he knows just let the other guy ramble and answer his points one by one. Because people are focussed on his poor and childish attitude instead of his message. I think if you compare both religions Christianity has less contradictions that Islam. Especially because Muslims claim Quran has never been changed or altered, which is not true.
I know Andrew Wilson and as you said he is very good at it because he doesn't respond from emotion but uses logic in a stoic manner
Muslim lantern debunked the polytheistic religion of Christianity 😂
Why he scared. of christian prince?
If you paid attention you would realise that Muslim Lantern debunked Muhammad. According to Muhammad the previous scriptures have not been corrupted but not so according to Muslim Lantern.
@@kwamegordon1448 he responded to that shit argument if you watched the debate. Also Allah affirms the previous scriptures given to Moses and Jesus .
Which is not the Bible you have today .
You guys believe the gospels were written after Jesus .
We believe the Gospel of Jesus was given to him by Allah . And notice how I said Gospel of Jesus . Which is not mark , Luke who are btw anamynous.
Also to put a lie to you .
I’ll bring a Hadith that debunks that whole narrative that Sam kept using to divert and not defend the illogical trinity :
It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allah be pleased with him) came to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with some written material he had got from one of the people of the Book. He read it to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him), and he got angry and said: “Are you confused (about your religion), O son of al-Khattaab? By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I have brought it (the message of Islam) to you clear and pure. Do not ask them about anything, lest they tell you something true and you disbelieve it, or they tell you something false and you believe it. By the One in Whose hand is my soul, if Moosa were alive, he would have no option but to follow me.”
Narrated by Ahmad (14736); classed as hasan by al-Albaani
This incident debunks yiur whole argument .
Because if the scriptures of the people of the book (ie Jews and Christians) were not corrupted like you claimed the prophet believed .
Why did the prophet say I don’t want you to believe in something they say and it be false ????
Meaning that the book they had contained false info . Meaning it was corrupted
Allah makes people commit adultery and other sins
-Sahih Muslim 2658a Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it.
-Sahih Muslim 2749 you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence
Allah gives you a black stone to try to forgive the sins ( of Allah )caused by Allah ?
Sunan an-Nasa'i 2919
He said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'Touching them erases sins.'
Allah is a sinful messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger: Allah is not noble, Allah is a filthy messenger
@@ALLAHSSECRETS So the previous scriptures have been corrupted? That is your argument?
Jay is that much of a sore loser he cant even let Lantern speak uninterrupted, constantly whinging like a child. If anyone feels like I'm bullshitting I can timestamp every time Jay lost his cool cos he knew he was screwed and interrupted
Jay just matched Muslim lanterns energy.
I believe you but I still really want to see those timestamps brother just so people see how much of clown he is ❤
@@therealmaskriz5716 matched what energy when muslim lantern didnt interrupt him?
@@therealmaskriz5716Bro lantern let him speak what u on about
Yes please do it and make it a different comment not a reply to this comment
Does Jay not realize when he talks with that accent mocking Brother Lantern he’s actually being super racist and foolish?!?!?
Being racist is the most american thing. So he cannot help it.
That's the only thing he can resort to when he's losing that much.
Any person who learned a language besides their native language know how hard it is to master it, let alone debate in that second/third/etc. language.
The funny thing is he mocks a middle eastern accent but worships a middle eastern man lol
@@LetMaseCook looool
@@LetMaseCookimagine thinking todays mutts in the Middle East was the same people back then lol just look at your fave and admix completely different your brown and mixed with black slave dna and south Asian slave dna real Arabs and Middle Easterns are white
Muslim lantern cooked him so hard
In what instance 🤣🤣 he seems to be tearing up most of the time as he cannot handle Dyer at all.
@@67I36 Jay acts like a kid 😂
@@ajimadnan is that your only argument?
@@67I36he showed the audience in this debate how he doesn't listen and interrupts his opposition, how he has no knowledge of the sects of islam and what are really arguing about, how he was asked about knowledge limitations but he talked about the equality in goodness, and most importantly how he confuses the word attribute with the word part and try to deceive like the devil does when he was asked to clarify.
@@messikhchouaib8922 lantern didn't ask about knowledge limitations, I don't believe. Are you talking about the debate with Jake where he doesn't even understand the distinction between hypostatic properties and energies? I mean, I'd agree with you that the whole debate yesterday was just lantern stupidly confusing ontological hierarchy with hypostatic hierarchy, which to the naked eye isn't too bad, like you guys who have no interest in theology. But to us who are even slightly interested in theology, it's an embarrassment, and so it's clear from the basic mistakes and continual fallacies lantern was making that Jay Dyer absolutely annihilated him 🤦♂️🤦♂️.
Why is lantern debating these losers
Haha, this lantern idiot keeps taking Ls 🤭🤭🤭
"Oh wow so uncivil and childish"
Lantern thinks the previous scriptures are corrupt when the quran never said they are.
The fuck you mean the Quran never said they aren't corrupt ?@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk
@@Dutch_Engineer_Piff_Dahnk you don’t have the previous scripture. What you have is works that was associated with Jesus
@@elfarah1343 where in quran does it say they have been corrupted
Jay is like a little kid, he got smoked so hard he turned into a 7 year old..
Like Aisha 😮
@@justanopinion7909nahh more like Rebecca 😉
@@NafaaFPV
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."
@@NafaaFPV
Sunan Ibn Majah 3324
It was narrated that ‘Aishah said:
“My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.”
@@NafaaFPV
Here is my proof with references where is yours?
Poor jake, was having a meltdown after not knowing the basics of his religion 😢
Cut back on the 🐫🥃and then rewatch the video.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah I am surprised that anyone takes Jake the Muslim metaphysical seriously.
@@kwamegordon1448 done, what is your point?
@@adilhussain8812 Sill convinced about the position you took?
Sneako did a bad job as he should have shut up Jay Dyer
He did eventually though
@@bolaelegbede7843 yes I realised that
Agreed. The moderator needed to moderate.
Good lord. Jay is embarrassing 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Jay is a child
Lil bro can't go 2 minutes without interrupting 🤣🤣 too funny
So wait jay thinks that attributes are a separate entity? I don’t understand what point he’s trying to make..
Yes
Sam's way of teaching 😂
@@zeeonnn What?
By that's logic, Jusus, the man, with a particular skin colour, colours of hair, body, his love for humanity, ability to do things, and his other attributes will mean there a lot more than 3 in 1. It should be Trinity in this case.
I really don't get this argument and this is not the first time I have heard a Christian makes it.
That guy is very upset because he doesn’t know his own religion.
😂😂😂 Jay meltdown & desolated!
everytime i watch christian and muslim debate why christian like they going crazy if the muslim ask simple question 🤦 like ths dude..😒
Andrew asked Lantern a simple question and he refused to answer it for over an hour, you fuckin serious?
@@IChIDHBro your damage control won't work , jay lost , just move on . This was like the lantern vs the melting candle
Your delusional @@IChIDH
Look at Jay's facial expressions when he gets mad🤣 I can't😂
In what minute please?
@@alcoshan2217 through out the debate! he is worked up. he doesn't like to explain his position than changes his position when asked.
Jay got absolutely smoked.
This is the debate between Lantern vs a melting candle 💀
Trinity is irrational. Big W for Lantern 💪🏻
Do you understand the argument for the Trinity?
@@kwamegordon1448DO YOU????
@@kadarfaisal2780 I do understand the argument for the Trinity. But some Muslims claim that the Trinity is irrational. Is that your claim too?
@@kwamegordon1448please educate us and tell us rational argument for trinity.
@@AbdulazizYusuf-q8i The triune God is one being and three persons. One God who is Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
This is Muslim Lantern vs Donkey 😂😂
Or a donkey vs donkey
@@justanopinion7909 Human vs donkey called Jay
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Abdool Lantern…vs a human
@@justanopinion7909 yeaa keep going, while your donkey got cooked 😂
the other way around lmao
This message is for all the Christians who come across it, maybe its a sign from Allah! I am an ex christian. I was a Christian for over 29 years of my life. I am now a muslim thank Allah!
I suggest you look up this video called revd Keith ward in discussion with blogging theology. Because you are a layman. You know nothing about the thoughts of the scholars of Christianity. They believe that the trinity is a heresy!!! If Christians listened to their scholars the way we do as muslims, the trinity would be dead. Your scholars also believe in the prophethood of Muhammad.
So in a nutshell you believe that God sent himself down to earth to become his own son Jesus Christ, just to sacrifice himself to himself, in order to convince himself to forgive u? That is your doctrine?
Also, if it was the Human part of Christ that died, as many Christians claim, and his divine essence lived on and joined god the father and god the holy spirit, what happened to your 'divine' sacrifice? In order to be saved, God's son, who is also god, must die. His divinity must die in order for the 'divine' sacrifice to be accepted by the father. Hence the forgiveness of all sins, past present and future. God couldn't just sacrifice a human, because it wouldn't work that way. It had to be a 'divine' sacrifice. So if that part of god didn't die and it was just the human nature that died, that means it WAS a human sacrifice! Which only the pagans did and god rebuked such a sacrifice in the old testiment. It's why god didn't allow Abraham to go through woth the actual killing of his firstborn son, Ishmael.
Open your eyes before you die. We never know when that time will arrive, but we must all taste death. Once you're in the grave, only God can hear you. And that God is the father, Jesus called him Alaha. And the father (Alaha) is jealous! He doesn't forgive paganism, which christianity has unfortunately adopted. I know hearing this angers you as a Christian, just as it angered me before islam.
Here is your history. The Romans worshipped zeus, hades, poseidon, hercules etc. The church wanted to grow bigger and so they invited those same pagan Romans to Join Christianity. Many refused and so the council of nicea was held. Augustin was the first to make jesus divine and a part of god. Constantine then took over. At this point in history, the holy spirit didnt even enter the picture. It was added 450 years after jesus was added to the so called 'godhead.'
They needed to make another 'hercules.' A demigod if you will. And now look at what you believe in today. You believe that jesus is a demigod. You may disagree with this word demigod, but at times the truth can hurt us. Think!
We muslims want paradise for you, yet you seem to hate us. I know islam seems like a foreign concept, but so was judaism at one point. The torah was revealed in hebrew. To you I'm sure hebrew seems foreign, especially the writing.
Jesus spoke Aramaic, it is a sister language of both hebrew and arabic. When Jesus called out to the father he cried "Alaha!"
When Moses called out to the father he cried "Elah!"
When Muhammad called out to the father he cried "allah!"
So similar. Yet in english you say god? Father? THOSE words are unfamiliar.
Isn't it beautiful? Three semetic languages, so similar the name of god could almost be the same. Also, god doesn't change. He revealed all scripture to the 3 semetic languages. Yet you fear the last? You are blinded by racism and fear. It is your religion and language that has become unfamiliar. It is britain that changed to name of Elah to god. To the father.
Your lord God did not reveal the bible in english! Once you realize that, the quran is no longer a foreign revelation! Arabic will no longer be scary.
Please. Listen to what I'm saying to you. Paul was a spy for the Roman empire and he introduced the concept of christ dying for the sins of mankind. He also abrogated the law. Whilst jesus came to fulfill and uphold it. What did jesus say? 'If anyone changes even just a jott or tittle from the law, they are the least in the kingdom of heaven.'
Jesus was a Palestinian jew. He was circumcised, didnt eat pork, observed the sabbath, his mother was covered from head to toe, and he prayed with his forehead on the ground. You Christians were supposed to be jews, with new laws for that time only! Jesus only came for the lost sheep of Israel. Not for us, the gentile.
Satan whispered to the Roman empire, they whispered to Paul, and he made you believe in abregating the law and believing in the sacrifice of a demigod. This is your history. Please stop allowing your heart to be blinded by the devil. When Jesus returns, what will he say and who will he say it to? We have gotten some clues from this chapter in the gospel of Matthew. He is talking to those who call him lord. Who calls jesus lord?
Do muslims call jesus lord? 🤔
Do the jews,who say he is boiling in human excrement, call jesus lord? 🤔
No.
The only people who call jesus lord are the Christians.
Here is what he said and will say to you specifically.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” (Matthew 7:21-23).
Yet when you, as a Christian go to church, you only hear jesus being talked about by the pastor. I see Christians online say, 'in the name of jesus!' Or 'may jesus bless you!'
Or when you end a prayer you say, 'in Jesus' name, amen!'
Your religion has erased the father completely. You may mention him when you say in the name of father son and holy spirit, but that is rare. And this wouldn't be accepted anyway, since your associating partners with him, the lord of all worlds! And this he hates most. This, he cannot and will not forgive.
Look at your churches as an example. You have statues, images and you call on jesus in prayer. All of the things god, Elah, Alaha forbid you from doing.
Online, Christians always say in the name of jesus, and I feel I need to correct them. They need to say in the name of the father, at the very least! Who created jesus in marys womb? It is now all about a man. It stopped being about God who created said man, said prophet. "There is no way to the father (alaha) except through me." Yes, this was true at the time of jesus. He was the only Prophet after all. If you didn't follow him, you were against God. Same with Noah, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad peace be upon them all. The only way to know god, is by following the prophet of your time.
"This is eternal life, that they may know you, the ONLY true God, and jesus christ whom you have sent." God sends prophets my dear Christian siblings. He has many sons and daughters.
The Christians have erased Alaha and elah from the Bible entirely. The thing i dislike about the british language, is they feel the need to translate names!
Names should remain the same. For example jesus means hail zeus, his real name was yoshua. So everytime you finish a prayer you are not only praying to a man, your also praying to a mythological deity! Yet you believe those prayers will be accepted?
You believe you are saved?
One must be honest. Look at how loyal the Muslims are, how they pray 5 times per day. They follow the quran to the letter and you actually believe THEY will go to hell? Whilst on the other hand, you celebrate paganism on the 25th of December, disguising it as the day of Jesus' birth. Shephards do not work during the winter, his animals are tucked away nice and cosy in their barns.
You may go to church on a Sunday and only when its a special occasion. You put your hands together to pray without making sure you are clean enough to stand in the sight of god, and you dont even know your own bible. Yet the muslims will go to hell? You know that isn't true and I'm sorry if that hurts you. If god were to pick who is more devoted to him, you know deep down who he would pick out of Christianity, judaism and Islam. I won't even go there with the Jews, they're just racist to both of us, yet Christians tend to support the genocide of Jesus' own decendents. If he was in fact your lord, you'd be waging a war against them this second. Bethlehem is gone. It's under the rubble. This is how I know Christians don't truly believe jesus is God. If you truly believed that, Israel would not longer exist, just for bombing Bethlehem alone. For killing over 186,000 decendents of god himself.
I want Christians who come across this comment, to reassess what the church is telling them. To research the matter. In fact, did you know that almost all Christian scholars believe that prophet Muhammad is the last and final Prophet?
And that they call the trinity a heresy. These are the men and women who live and breathe the bible in all forms. And they come to this conclusion after years of research. But the Christian scholars say that the Christian layman refuses to listen to them. Are you a Christian layman who will refuse, or will you listen to the talks of your scholars? Like I said in the beginning, please watch revd (reverand) Keith ward in a discussion with blogging theology.
If one wishes to enter paradise, one must never place all their eggs in one basket, especially if you cant even logically explain what you believe in.
I've typed more than enough. I have tried to help and educate you. Now it's your turn to educate yourself.
Good luck, and may Alaha guide you to the truth. If yoshua was here, this is what he would call the lord of all worlds, his God and our God.
So wonderfully and intelligently said ,kudos to you .
I screen recorded to have a proper read, so far the first half I read was great, Mashallah. Thank you for sharing, may Allah SWT reward you for your efforts 🤲🏽
With Jay Dyer, many Christians would leave Christianity. So thank you Jay💪💪💪🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
I don’t know what all those books in jay’s background are but it’s really worrying that you can spend all that time reading and still be this ignorant and lack fundamental basic logic
To show off!
Jay is a childish clown
he should start debating Greek mythologists about whos pantheon is better
Ikr the Greeks would put up a much better debate than the muslims
@@therealmaskriz5716this was just straight up schooling from Lantern, no debate
@@therealmaskriz5716 pagan cope out
Embarassing behavior from Jay, he is not a man of debate, he put only a bad image to Christianity.
Ali have to much patience to waste so much time with a man like him.
Trinity destroyed
All those verses where you see Jesus recognizing the father as “greater than I” or ect does not change his divinity at all your brain is too small to understand the monarchical trinity relationship. The source of the word ie Jesus and the source of the holy spirit come from the father. The fathers spirit cannot be created even Islam recognizes allahs words can’t be created but isn’t him it’s the same thing Jesus isn’t the father in personnel but in divinity.
Manichaeism is the only trinity consistent with christs message. Himself as an emanated son of god and divine, but not the god absolute.
@@DM5550Z that’s heresy MT is the real answer
@@AZULA69 Your Allah despite his threats contained in his Qur'an is powerless and puny and yet somehow you think ML who follows your weak Allah can destroy the Trinity? Some Muslims are truly entertaining.
@@Volkoid "You have to have a Huge brain to understand the basis of your faith?"
Can someone check up on Jay he may have had a heart attack. 😂
Or in an asylum 😅
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Jay - like a small child. I think small child are more better then him.
Like Aisha 😮
I believed ur great great great great great grandfather also marry ur great great great great great grandmother young within that age.
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@@mzaiful
Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378
It was narrated that 'Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls."
@@mzaiful
Sunan Ibn Majah 3324
It was narrated that ‘Aishah said:
“My mother was trying to fatten me up when she wanted to send me to the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) (when she got married), but nothing worked until I ate cucumbers with dates; then I grew plump like the best kind of plump.”
@@mzaiful
I have proof of my claim where is your proof? If not you have nothing but conjecture and lies 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I'm sorry but Jay is a very bad representation of Christianity, he's very disrespectful and not patient and clearly does not know how a debate format works, he even puts on a bud bud accent in order to mock MA which is if fact racist...
FAO Sneako, my brother you need to be a better moderator to either party who interrupt each others time especially Jay in this case.
I agree, reminds me of Sam’s brutality. These people have extensive knowledge of the bible but they dont even follow its principles anyway
@@boombalus you obviously don't know God's principles because Jesus called people names in the bible and didn't care about being "offensive." He said every fruit not planted by God will be plucked out anyways! Lol. Who cares if they're offended.
His view of Christianity is orthodox the rest of you have the wrong interpretation of Christ that makes no sense when compared to scripture and the church fathers.
Islam eats up you sheepish apologists. They don't know how to handle debaters with steel in their spine like Dyer and Sam. The lines of subservience make zero sense without monarchial trinitarianism.
A lot of this is Sneako fault for being weak and not being able to establish any boundaries
@@Christa-ChildofGodwhy is the Bible a reliable source of information?
Can the word of God be corrupted and can it have any contradiction in it?
Which Bible do you believe in? I mean how many books does the Bible have? Different Bibles have different numbers of books?
Who can not understand that black is an attribute,i mean fr,this jay guy acts like black is growing on trees,it is an attribute of something,it is not a part, part can be removed and still exist, black can't be removed from shirt and exist like an object
which means Allah can't have real attributes because they wd make him and composite and hence dependent being. Well.done.
@@mohammedhanif6780 say again?
@@mohammedhanif6780?
@@cunctator3401 the guy's confusing attributes with composite parts and labelling them "real attributes"
Ignore him. this is mu'tazili logic.
@@arandompersonontheinternet3600 dude wrote text like he has brain damage
Is this a Christian vs Muslim debate or Mutazila vs Muslim debate?
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Yeah I was wondering but it appears that the philosophy that affected Jahmiya & Mutazila has affected Jews & Christians before.
@@khengari77 well since Christianity was fused with Greek mythology, it makes sense. Shout out to Mohammed Ali for not falling in the philosophy trap.
U killed me 😂😂😂😂😂
Saying objectively this jay guy trolled himself and everyone else. The dude disrespectful like idk interrupting and raising stupid arguments. If muslim lantern says there is nothing like god that means we cant comprehend what his attributes mean. IF we can love we cant comprehend perfect love what god has. What is hard to understand that issue
Muslim Lantern you’re the best…You smashed Jay completely that’s why he can’t stopped enterupting
You watched something else.
When did he smash him? Can you give me the timestamp?
@@olubee1999 I think you watched something else rather 😂.
Jay got destroyed he kept cursing and interrupting, clear defeat
@@olubee1999Muhammad may have made mistakes in the opening mention of the Gospel of John
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But then what happened was that Jay was hasty and only spoke without listening, and all he cared about was establishing an argument against Muhammad
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On the contrary, Muhammad heard Jay's entire opening and never interrupted him, and this can be seen by anyone
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Jay came to ask Muhammad a question about God
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.Muhammad told him that we in Islam do not use these terms
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Jay did not understand, because he bases all his arguments on terms that the Qur’an or Sunnah do not use, and he was insisting that Muhammad respond.
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Then after that, he said that he did not want to answer, even though Muhammad answered and told him that we do not use these terms, and he explained to him the idea of God’s attributes in Islam.
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Jay said that the fathers of the early church agreed on the Trinity
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When Muhammad asked him, he said, “No, I did not say that.” - Where is the credibility?
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Jay spoke about the Mu'tazila without knowing their beliefs
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He lied about the Qur’an and said that the Qur’an says to return to the Torah and the Gospel to prove the Qur’an, and this is a lie.
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Jay does not know what Muslims believe about the Torah and the Bible
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Therefore, in the debate, he did not stick to one verse, but rather moved through the verses because he was distracted
My stomach 😂😂 the first time i see the Muslim lantern killing it like in here this Jay guy got grilled 😂😂
Like Haqiqatjou and Ijaz bested Shamoun and Dyer too, right? 😂 These are your top guys?
@@Shirko610 haha keep dreaming 🤣
@Shirko610 they demolished sam and Jay 💥
@@virtualwanderer they watch shorts. They don't dare watch the full video hehehe that's the problem with those kind 9f Christian
@@virtualwanderer Sure they did. That's why Abduls have been making dozens of "refutation" videos since the debate. Because the 2 scholars did such a good job of refuting during the debate. What do you think was the highlight for the Muslim team? Showing Super Mario? 😂
As a Muslim I believe jay represented the Christian side terribly.
No.. the representation was clear. you just couldn't catch the mystery.
@@ArshadAnsari37😂
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Unfortunately, it was a complete waste of time as Jay was arrogant and disrespectful, often using aggressive tactics to avoid answering questions.
Jay: gives a detail position of the trinity in the opening statement.
Latern the very next second: "so whats trinity to you?""
If it was detailed then why is it hard to summarise? Atleast be honest. When you loose
@olukoyaroheemah8894 funny u thing lantern won. I'll admit the way Jay conducted the debate was bad. But that doesn't change the arguments made. And I'll bet you still haven't understood the issue jay pointed out.
@@TihorSamchristian’s coping🤥🤥🤥 it’s okay to leave christianity
@zeeonnn but it is not OK or rather deadly to leave islam. I would pick carefully 😅🤷
Lantern asked for a consice and summarized definition of the trinity. Which is fair . Like you don't expect to give a 5 -10 minutes explanation everytime someone asks the definition of the trinity
No wonder people are leaving Christianity.
Jay brought shame to Christians with his attitude, lack of reasoning and knowledge
Jay - please answer and defemd ur christian belief using ur book bible, scholar and source.
What a shame.....
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bro, Muslim lantern has this patience on another level, masha Allah, which is something to learn, may Allah bless this to all of us
I'm Muslim but unbiased when it comes to debates. E.g. the one with Jay Dyer and Sheikh Asrar, the Muslim brother performed really poorly. However here it's a clear win for Muslim Lantern. Dyer provided no evidence for his belief system, twisted scripture and used the cop out 'rhetoric' excuse every time is disagreed with his core doctrine.
Allah is a messenger Quran 69:40 the words of a noble messenger
And a sinner
Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it.
But Jesus is God and He is holy
John 14:9 he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; ( Father /GOD) . Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:. But then Allah is a messenger Quran 69:40 says the words of a noble messenger and Allah is a sinner, Jesus is God and He is not a sinner .Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. I have shown you where Jesus said He is God, also Jesus created everything including you, now let’s see if you will address my point about Allah being a sinful messenger
lol lot was a prophet ? Do you know where Muhammad learnt this names from waraqa who was translating the Bible in to Arabic. Sahih al-Bukhari 4953 Khadija then took him to Waraqa bin Naufil, the son of Khadija's paternal uncle. Waraqa had been converted to Christianity in the Pre-lslamic Period and used to write Arabic and write of the Gospel in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write.
The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "Then the Angel held me (forcibly) and pressed me so hard that I felt distressed. Then he released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me again and pressed me for the second time till I felt distressed. He then released me and asked me to read, but again I replied. 'I do not know how to read.' Thereupon he held me for the third time and pressed me till I got distressed, and then he released me and said, 'Read,
Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) returned with that experience; and the muscles between his neck and shoulders were trembling till he came upon Khadija (his wife) and said, "Cover me!" They covered him, and when the state of fear was over, he said to Khadija, "O Khadija! What is wrong with me? I was afraid that something bad might happen to me."
Sahih al-Bukhari 6982
But after a few days Waraqa died and the Divine Inspiration was also paused for a while and the Prophet (ﷺ) became so sad as we have heard that he intended several times to throw himself from the tops of high mountains and every time he went up the top of a mountain in order to throw himself down, Gabriel would appear before him and say, "O Muhammad! You are indeed Allah's Messenger
Muslim lantern didn’t even win the debate it was kinda done for him as soon as he didn’t address any of the qualities of Jesus and just tried to get a clip saying that the son can be subordinate in role but not in ability. And affirms the fact that the Quran itself is circular
Muslims like you I respect very much. When it comes to debates we have to be unbiased as much as possible so we actually can break it down. Love brother❤️💯
Literally the complete other way around and the reason u cant understand that is bc lantern couldnt either his IQ was to low he lost miserabky
@@WithoutLiesIslam____well if it was a battle of who could use more insults and ad hominems then clearly the Christians/atheists won.
Legend has it that, even now the Muslim Lantern and entire Ummah still Afraid to answer the question of the raltionship between Allah and his Attributes.
we know that they are not separated
Allah is Gracious, merciful, caring, the pardoner, compassionate, eternal, mighty, etc...How does that make Allah more than one being? It's His attributes
What of his spirit? Is Allah's Spirit a creature? Is Allah's Word a Creature as well? How are they related to Allah?
@@Explaining_Christianity no they are not a creature and they are the attributes of Allah that's how they are related
@@KalliAbdoury Wait, the question is how is Allah related to his attributes? And you are rephrasing me by saying they are his attributes . I know they are his attributes! But the question is how are they related to Allah?
وقل جاء الحق وزهق الباطل إن الباطل كان زهوقا
41:02 Jay raised an argument and refuted it by himself 😂😂😂
Muslim Lantern…🫡🔥💪
Sneako is a VERY BAD moderator.
Brother Muhammad won this debate hands down
Sneako is not very good at moderating. They should mute one side and let one side speak, then mute the other side and let the other speak. This is just people yelling over each other. Once they started letting each side speak uninterrupted, Lantern destroyed Jays arguments. Jay was trying to say the trinity is monarchical. A monarchy does not represent 3 equal things. Things are either equal or not. If one is superior in any way, then they are not equal.
muslim didn't even start his first speech , christians were already spamming "jay won" in the chat lol
imagine saying you need a monarchical trinitarianism model for this to work
Why is Jay so aggressive, and keeps interrupting
Jay annhilated The Muslim Lightbulb.
This wasn't a debate, Jay was the teacher, Lightbulb was the student.
Keep coping
@@KalliAbdoury Ask your boy Lightbulb to upload the full debate to his channel if he is mot affraid
@@MU-we8hzI think he already did. Well he also reviewed it but did show the full debate. He did not edit it and comment it out of context on other platforms like some other 😅
@@MU-we8hz it's on rumble and her and he uploaded an analyze to this deabate and Andrew deabate as well he cocked jaybored and Andrewfans hard
@@deed9430 no he didn't. Only the "analysis".
He is too scared to upload it.
Months ago he had a debate with GodLogic. He also didn't upload it and when GodLogic uploaded it for a analysis he flagged him for copyright.
He is scared and i should be also if i got lectured like that
That Jay dude was extremely disrespectful. Using insults and mocking his opponent's accent like that. What a terrible representative of Christianity.
May that angry guy be guided Insha Allah
Jay - please answer the question directly with proof and evidence.
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dont say that all the coping christians will lose their minds and start saying jay won
This is the best of muslim lantern
The worst, plays games when debating.. I'm not christian btw!
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Jay goes and on about attributes. So, does this mean that his god doesn't have any attributes? What is he even saying? To think people think he is a good debater. He can only appeal to the audience and hope his nonsense makes them hate Islam. He doesn't care about the truth or being right.
Muslim lantern should go back to the streets and debate people who never heard of islam before. Only way he can win
As usual, Muslim Lantern dismantled his doctrine and refuted Jays attempt of bringing up Quran verses to prove the Quran "confirms the Bible" he has with him today 😂
What point did Dyer make that Lantern didn't have a sufficient response? Dyer ended the debate without responding to any of Lantern's points e.g. the son being subordinate, not equal, the only true God is the father etc.
Look at the manners exhibited from your champion, look at the childish name calling, interruptions and racist behaviour from your representetive.
Insane cope from Christians in the comments.
Jay may have been aggressive and interrupting all the time, but it's only because Lantern was a fallacy machine and twisting/misrepresenting things to his advantage. This was a short debate. You can't have trackstars like Lantern. If he was under proper moderation with only the facts, it's a landslide victory for Jay. If you actually understood Jay you'd know he answered all of Lantern's points and left him running.
The Son is not equal with the Father in terms of authority, so not literally equal in everything - strawman. He is coequal in terms of his nature. It's like 1 person out of 3 leading, yet all of the people have the exact same ability. You can't say one is better than the other. Since the Son is identical in nature, his existence is eternal with the Father, so it doesn't make him subordinate to the Father.
The only true God being the Father is perfectly sound with monarchial trinitarism. It means The Father is the only uncaused source of God's essence. The Son proceeds from the Father, being distinct not separate, sharing nature.
Lantern dodged all these points and proved his lack of knowledge.
Allah has 99 attributes as well as body parts like 2 right hands, shin, etc. Are they identical to himself? Are they with Allah being distinct from him yet inseparable? Or are they independent of Allah, having their own existence and separate to him?
Option 1 would make you a Shia. Option 2 would mean your God is composed of parts and you have distinctions in God apart from his essence. We also have one essence and make distinctions for the three persons. So you can't have any problems with the trinity. It's a double standard. Option 3 would make the attributes separate Gods themselves, so you're a polytheist.
Additionally, how can you say Allah is nothing like creation yet liken him with attributes (which we can comprehend) and especially human qualities like a foot or shin?
Nowhere in the Quran does it ever say the Bible is corrupted. The Quran says (a specific group of Jews) by the mouths twisted the Torah, so the interpretation, not the actual text. They said a group wrote scriptures apart from the Torah and Gospel such as the Talmud, not the actual text.
The Torah and the Gospel are often spoken of in Muhammad's present. It's in the hands of the Jews and Christians of Muhammad's time (the same one the Quran praises). If that's true then we can see that the 7th century Bible is pretty much identical to today's. More proof. If the Quran says judge by what has been revealed before and it is now corrupted, then that is illogical because you can't go judge by something which has been lost in the past.
Lantern strawmaned the whole debate. He was talking like a child.
@@bighacker4202Attributes of Allah are not separate and are not God
It’s that simple
There isn't any "cope" You muslims are just too dumb to understand that 2 people can have inequal authority while still having equal potential/ability. God the father is greater in Authority and Jesus is lesser. But they still share the same divine essence. A good analogy would be - In your workplace, your boss is greater in Authority than you even though you're both Human. Literally 5th Graders can understand this.
This jay guy needs some medicine, this is not normal
"Does Allah have uncreated foot" - This one had me rolling on the ground lmfaaoooooo XDDD!!
Abu Darda reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Nothing is heavier upon the scale of a believer on the Day of Resurrection than his good character. Verily, Allah hates the vulgar and obscene.”
Allah has given Ali a precious knowledge ,He should not waste his time on these idiots... Who don't know how to do a conversation 😤
Abduls lost another debate. Nothing new.
I saw how scared he was when Ali explained and you said he won. OMG😂
@@YanPerak what did he explain? He was being asked "Are allah attributes self-sufficient or not?" The donkey was cornered and tried to digress the topic pretending he didn't understand the question.
Once it is out of the ordinary, abduls struggle to pull something out of their dawa script
@@EUGEN093 You clowns don't give time for Ali to answer and interrupt every time Ali gives an answer. And I think you clowns don't understand what Ali are talking about.
@@EUGEN093
Is Allah's attributes even Gods
Do your attributes is separate from you😂😂😂
@@mucarafaden6956 so allah"s attributes are not like any other creation's ones?
W Islam
Why do these Christian’s always resort to insults when losing a debate, childish 😂
He is in MUTE and still talking 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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I watched from his pov just now and he was mocking and making faces insulting when he was muted...
He intentionally made Muhammads speaking time 2x fast just to make his fake followers think Muhammad is just blabbering without thinking... Sad tactics.
Muslims are having an imaginary victory in the comments 😂
If you think this christian was in any shape or form anything less than an embarrassment then you're emotionally deluded. I was getting physically frustrated by his lack of knowledge and his attitude. He literally wasted everybody's time
It’s hilarious to read the coping, Jay destroyed all his arguments
@@abzabzabzabz2691 buddy don't talk to this pets of Christian Jesus..😅 with their close mindedness 😂
Its ironic you say that because Christians do this all the time, but when Muslims do it, its an "imaginary victory". Nice try bozo🤣
In what world did the crybaby Jay win in this debate? The guy acted a racist fool
Glorious Trinity-
God prayed to himself
God asked himself to go to earth to save mankind.
Then he agreed with himself and volunteered himself to himself to offer himself.
Then God impregnated a woman as himself, with himself.
God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly.
God strengthened himself and talked to himself.
Finally God forsook himself and sacrificed himself to prove his loyalty to himself.
While dead he resurrected himself so he could exalt himself above himself.
Then he sat at his own right hand and waited till he placed his enemies as a footstool.
Every time I see a Christian debate, I thank Allah for showing me the right path. I left Christianity in 2018 and now converting to Islam. The anger does not reflect what Jesus was Jay is very angry.
Jay is angry because Muslim Lantern is a liar and has no idea what he's talking about lol. So is Allah black like his shirt or what hahahaha
Anyone who thinks Muslim Lantern won is a biased Muslim. Lantern is incredibly slimy in his debate tactics. Anyone who REALLY watched the debate knows Jay's arguments held more substance. ML was getting absolutely rocked on the attributes and had zero answers.
Literally not the case
ML got it done fair & square
All I saw was Jay screaming and whining nothing intellecual
Keep coping
Keep crying boy
The fact that Christians even think in the first place that Allah having multiple attributes means he's many persons shows your general IQ, a summary of your debate tactics is create a position for us that we don't even believe in, then attack it
Muslim lantern: " what is an independent? " lol guy doesn't understand basic English but came to a debate
Jay was literally the stage before crying at the end 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Huge L for Jay, he got slapped about.. 🫢🫢🫢
34:00 equal means equal… they can be similar but when you say equal that is means exactly the same. They always fall on this sword and become pagans
I love the fact that Jay was barking like a dog whiles he was muted by the host😂.
Muslim Lantarn was confident and matured enough to obey the rules, and most importantly he was winning in style 😂.
Jay - classics preacher tactic. Lies twisting words etc.....
Ignorant and stupid is a choice, certain people are born with it.
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ML- typical Muslim. Lies twisting words etc...ignorant and stupid is a choice and many Muslims choose to be ignorant and stupid. There....fixed it for you. You are welcome ☺
Jays closing point is spot on
Nice assertion. Where did he lie and twist words?
I still havent found one muslim explain tawheed and the different schools. This is what happens when you have 0 education.
You're joking.. right?
Explain Tawhid? Even Wikipedia explains it... what's not understood?
God is 1. Now explain the trinity
God is One with the best attributes. Trinity can never be explained. Every analogy leads to heresy. 3 different people with different attributes, each one lacking the basics e.g. HS and Jesus not knowing the last hour, the Father regretting creating mankind and getting incited by the devil. These 3 will never equal one God.
lucky for u if u scroll down a little on Muslim Lanterns channel, he has a whole conference talk about 3 hours long explaining Aqeedah and different sects and schools
W lantern
Great job again brother Dyer✝️🙏💪❤️
What job 😅😅
He just got schooled by ML n failed in his comprehension 😂
I love muslim lantern so much, such calmness in his way of speaking, destroying this joke of a christian without interrupting him once, machallah
Muslim Lantern is such a dishonest debater. He pretended he didn’t know what a se and aqida meant so he didn’t have to answer.
He wasn’t pretending. He was just mocking Jay’s pronunciation if you listened closely
Yeah without lies islam dies.
Bro idk what this man Jay was talking about no person in Islamic history believes Allah had 99 parts
@johnmanual7595 which is why Islam literally will be the dominant religion in the next couple of decades right?
@@khalidmuhammad1151he’s confused. Pray for the clown
Muslim page posting an L 😂
Your boy started a trantrum , the only W he took was in ad hominems.
The only topic Muslim lantern want to debate, the Trinity 😂. He don't want debate Andrew Wilson with any topic
that was what the debate was about if u listen to sneako in the beginning, either way the trinity makes no sense christian’s r so blind
that's the foundation on Christian belief 🤦🏽♀️
@@ummayesha111 yeah I KNOW,but we can defend it,if you read the bible there is a concept of father,son and holy spirit. Now,I want to ask you if Mohammad claim that god talks to him and ordered every man to have UPTO 4 WIVES, while he himself can't OBEY a SIMPLE COMMANMENT,he marry 12 ? Do you believe him as a PROPHET? Use your brain,is that a PROPHET?
@@ummayesha111 why did Mohammad marry 12 wives ?
Its embarassing that jay cant answer a simple question
Imagine not being able to explain to the trinity 😂😂😂 no wonder christianity is dying