Hate this. A lot of pointless action that slows down the game without any real opportunity for big gains but definitely opportunities for repeated losses.
John Patrick. The way I learned to play dice so many years ago. Still have his VHS tape somewhere. His style of playing gave me confidence at the tables. Thank you John Patrick.
This is an "I'll be drinking for a while" strategy! 🙄🍸 Players, stop worrying so much about Big Red and focus more on smarter strategy and bankroll management. 💰
This system is often referred to as "The Switzerland" because its "neutral" lol. Well that's what the local dealers in Reno call it. Peppermill in Reno is the only casino that I know of that won't let you play pass and don't pass at the same time.
I just returned from a cruise, tried a few of your strategies and was up and down. Settled on 42 on 6&8 working, collecting $50/1 and did ok but of course it all depends on the dice.
I have a lot of thoughts on this. I play a similar system that I invented but my second bet is a come bet, that way if there is a PSO, I win the come and the dc with the odds. Playing this Patrick system is suicide, all you can accomplish here is comps and there’s just little chance to profit. As a dark side player, you have to profit on a 7. Winning 10 or 20 on a 7 is not a good long term plan. Just my opinion, love the videos Jeremy👍🏻
Instead of the Paas Line bet, why not just hop the red for $3 and a $1 Yo (assuming $10 don't pass)? Having the pass line bet breaks even on your Don't Pass bet if the 7 comes up and you have to hedge more odds on the second roll to protect the first Don't Come since you have to cover your pass line as well. What am I missing about the pass line for this system?
@@bobafettpac agreed, but then what is the point of the bet? You can't win because a 7 makes the don't win and the point makes the pass win. The only thing it does is increase your exposure trying to hedge the first don't come because now you have to protect the don't come and the pass line from the point-7 roll
What's the difference? What's the difference? Why it's so complicated. You can put on the Dont Come BAR after the point is out on the Lay repeat. For example, you can put 150 on Lay 9 for 100 units after point 9.
You rolled 33 rolls and there were only 2 sevens! A "smart" don't player will "not" be betting darkside when sevens are rolling behind. Always be aware of where the KING "7" is in distribution!😎😉 Best of Luck at the Tables!😎
@@jimklemens5018 correct. Trying to beat the house edge over time is tilting at windmills ... UNLESS you can turn the odds in your favor. Theoretically, someone who could roll a 7 consistently 5% fewer times than statistically expected could have a positive EV over time but they will still lose nearly half the time, just slightly less (which makes all the difference) 🙂
have never been to a casino table that allowed an equal Doey-Don't bet, and have never seen bubble craps anywhere that allows you to make a Doey-Don't bet. what casinos allow this?
@@jimklemens5018 he was hedging bets over 25$ with a 1$ bet on 12, so I was asking when he had the point as 5 why not also hop the 5’s for 1$ as a similar hedge
As you stated, some casinos will not allow a doey dont. i.e. one is the Monarch in Black Hawk plus some others there. Many in other states will not allow it as well.🤷♂I did a large study with over 200,000 live table rolls I charted myself and a custom Wincraps betting script. I did the doey dont vs a strait DP bet and over the 200k live table rolls the strait DP faired way better than the doey dont. In other words the doey dont will cost you money in the long run doing this because you are "nulling" all the even money DP wins when you do a doey dont bet. Yes you will not lose the DP to the 7 or 11 on the comeout but the rub is you are missing all the even money nopass wins with odds in your favor.🤷♂
I would leave my odds on the 4/10 Don't bets because your're in a great position to win those. I played on a bubble machine over Labor Day and it actually allowed me to pull down my don't come bet after the comeout roll, so if the 6 or 8 was the point, I switched to a place bet. It worked out decently and I only lost about 30 bucks for the day
Never, ever, ever, ever take down a don't pass/don't come bet after a point is established. They let you do it because you've got the edge at that point. Always and objectively a big mistake.
@@WeirdMedicine I mean, it doesn't really even affect that. It just affects the distribution in how the house edge/take is realized, and since the house edge isn't affected, it doesn't really even affect the (average) take....it just simply re-distributes it. This is no different than playing 1 column, 2 columns, or even all 3 columns on a roulette table....the house edge remains the same. The only thing that changes is the exact mechanism that the house realizes that edge.
@@ryne16 no, I understand, nothing affects the house edge...what I'm saying is that comps are calculated by the initial outlay and the average of the first bets or two (depending on the pit boss and casino of course). So, if I buy in for $500 on blackjack it will mean more than me buying in for $10,000 and hedging every bet by betting pass and don't pass at the same time. 🙂 ha ha or whatever! 😀
He aint no dam famous gambler! He made his money on the "Books" that are trash! Read all of em and figured out how to beat the vame myself! You "Dont" beat the game this way! All the book writers, youtubers etc havent figured out the betting code yet!!!
Beating the 7 in games like craps requires understanding the odds and using strategies like the "Don't Pass" bet, which gives you a slight edge. Focus on bets with lower house edges, avoid risky proposition bets, and manage your bankroll carefully. Remember, no strategy can guarantee a win, so always gamble responsibly!
@@traceyB6589 well, ha ha what the house doesn't want is someone putting down $10k to increase their comps, and then betting pass and don't pass to try to break even or win $50 bucks or so. It's not that they don't comp because it's a brilliant play that they lose money on, it's because it's a hedge that results in very little money to player or casino, and the casino sees it as a waste of time.
This would be PERFECT for those COLD tables where everyone is sevening-out VERY quickly!!!
I call this the " drink for free for a long time" strategy
lol. And then you slowly start to lose because you are losing track of the bets
@@rickconklin3088and you have to watch the dealers, most of the time they are not used to managing a table full of lay bets 👍🏻
His writing style was so unique. That book is fun to read. Really good section on money management, as well
Hate this. A lot of pointless action that slows down the game without any real opportunity for big gains but definitely opportunities for repeated losses.
This is simply a temporizing maneuver that allows you to build up comps without really accomplishing anything.
Don’t see why it would slow up the game, dealer only has to move a dc bet
@@WeirdMedicine The initial Doey Don't bets are not rated for comps.
@@jimklemens5018 depends on the house, but I hear you, the pit bosses aren't dumb, they know when people are comp hacking ;-)
love this guy read all his books. His theories are the basis for all my play styles
John Patrick. The way I learned to play dice so many years ago. Still have his VHS tape somewhere. His style of playing gave me confidence at the tables. Thank you John Patrick.
The legend. I’m curious to see how it rolls out.
This is an "I'll be drinking for a while" strategy! 🙄🍸 Players, stop worrying so much about Big Red and focus more on smarter strategy and bankroll management. 💰
This system is often referred to as "The Switzerland" because its "neutral" lol. Well that's what the local dealers in Reno call it. Peppermill in Reno is the only casino that I know of that won't let you play pass and don't pass at the same time.
quick question, on the roll import into dicerio, do you just put the roll result in or do you import the values of the dice?
great to watch, especially at the small minimum table.
I just returned from a cruise, tried a few of your strategies and was up and down. Settled on 42 on 6&8 working, collecting $50/1 and did ok but of course it all depends on the dice.
I have a lot of thoughts on this. I play a similar system that I invented but my second bet is a come bet, that way if there is a PSO, I win the come and the dc with the odds. Playing this Patrick system is suicide, all you can accomplish here is comps and there’s just little chance to profit. As a dark side player, you have to profit on a 7. Winning 10 or 20 on a 7 is not a good long term plan. Just my opinion, love the videos Jeremy👍🏻
Instead of the Paas Line bet, why not just hop the red for $3 and a $1 Yo (assuming $10 don't pass)? Having the pass line bet breaks even on your Don't Pass bet if the 7 comes up and you have to hedge more odds on the second roll to protect the first Don't Come since you have to cover your pass line as well. What am I missing about the pass line for this system?
The only thing I can see is $10 if you happen to hit the point.
@@bobafettpac agreed, but then what is the point of the bet? You can't win because a 7 makes the don't win and the point makes the pass win. The only thing it does is increase your exposure trying to hedge the first don't come because now you have to protect the don't come and the pass line from the point-7 roll
Can you post links to your videos of the "standards" that you compare the new strategy?
I would like to see you doing these strategies on a live table. My local has some dark side players but maybe I will try this strategy with them.
ATS 12 missing there buddy! If i can roll it, you can roll it!
Like most hedging strats a grind where you may win a little but can be at table a long time.
What's the difference? What's the difference? Why it's so complicated. You can put on the Dont Come BAR after the point is out on the Lay repeat. For example, you can put 150 on Lay 9 for 100 units after point 9.
@@evgeniigorbachev5209 No such thing as a Don't Come Bar.
You rolled 33 rolls and there were only 2 sevens! A "smart" don't player will "not" be betting darkside when sevens are rolling behind.
Always be aware of where the KING "7" is in distribution!😎😉
Best of Luck at the Tables!😎
Would you mind explaining that further.
I am a craps enthusiast.
Thanks so much!
will ya get and kind of player rating doing a hedge like that?
Thoughts on the come ladder by pro craps?
Do you get dealers that get frustrated with hedge strategies? Then have some players that throw a hissy when someone bets the Donts?
The don'ts don't care.
The don'ts don't care.
Not Patrick Starr system? 😢
Hi Spongeb0b
Anyway to find out if a casino allows a doey/dont bet, besides going to the casino and asking?
Casinos will allow a Doey Don't because you can only lose.
Bubble craps, roll to win, casino wizard and pretty much any electronic craps won’t let you fyi
I do it all the time in Vegas without incident
@@jimklemens5018 correct. Trying to beat the house edge over time is tilting at windmills ... UNLESS you can turn the odds in your favor. Theoretically, someone who could roll a 7 consistently 5% fewer times than statistically expected could have a positive EV over time but they will still lose nearly half the time, just slightly less (which makes all the difference) 🙂
As JP would say there are two types of people in the casino. You’re either an expert or you’re a dope.
You are too kind. He called you an expert or a dork.
ha ha and if you don't know who the dopes are, you're one of them ;-)
have never been to a casino table that allowed an equal Doey-Don't bet, and have never seen bubble craps anywhere that allows you to make a Doey-Don't bet. what casinos allow this?
1 year back The Orleans allowed it. I did not play it, but saw a player betting it. I asked the table boss, and he just shrugged his shoulders.
@@douglasscovil3447 Every casino that I have been to in Las Vegas and Reno have allowed a Doey Don't.
What about a hedge bet by hopping the 23 and 14?
@@darrenkennedy5990 Huh?
@@jimklemens5018 he was hedging bets over 25$ with a 1$ bet on 12, so I was asking when he had the point as 5 why not also hop the 5’s for 1$ as a similar hedge
The last was 33 rolls. Small hit. Modest pressing would have yielded hundreds easily
As you stated, some casinos will not allow a doey dont. i.e. one is the Monarch in Black Hawk plus some others there. Many in other states will not allow it as well.🤷♂I did a large study with over 200,000 live table rolls I charted myself and a custom Wincraps betting script. I did the doey dont vs a strait DP bet and over the 200k live table rolls the strait DP faired way better than the doey dont. In other words the doey dont will cost you money in the long run doing this because you are "nulling" all the even money DP wins when you do a doey dont bet. Yes you will not lose the DP to the 7 or 11 on the comeout but the rub is you are missing all the even money nopass wins with odds in your favor.🤷♂
I would leave my odds on the 4/10 Don't bets because your're in a great position to win those.
I played on a bubble machine over Labor Day and it actually allowed me to pull down my don't come bet after the comeout roll, so if the 6 or 8 was the point, I switched to a place bet. It worked out decently and I only lost about 30 bucks for the day
Never, ever, ever, ever take down a don't pass/don't come bet after a point is established. They let you do it because you've got the edge at that point. Always and objectively a big mistake.
Play this strategy and you’d get rated horrible at most casinos bc little to no house edge due to hedging.
Does not affect the house edge.
@@ryne16 it affects the house TAKE, but not the edge, you are 100% correct.
@@WeirdMedicine I mean, it doesn't really even affect that. It just affects the distribution in how the house edge/take is realized, and since the house edge isn't affected, it doesn't really even affect the (average) take....it just simply re-distributes it. This is no different than playing 1 column, 2 columns, or even all 3 columns on a roulette table....the house edge remains the same. The only thing that changes is the exact mechanism that the house realizes that edge.
@@ryne16 no, I understand, nothing affects the house edge...what I'm saying is that comps are calculated by the initial outlay and the average of the first bets or two (depending on the pit boss and casino of course). So, if I buy in for $500 on blackjack it will mean more than me buying in for $10,000 and hedging every bet by betting pass and don't pass at the same time. 🙂 ha ha or whatever! 😀
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He aint no dam famous gambler! He made his money on the "Books" that are trash! Read all of em and figured out how to beat the vame myself! You "Dont" beat the game this way! All the book writers, youtubers etc havent figured out the betting code yet!!!
You’re better off betting the world bet if you put money on the pass line if you’re worried about rolling a 2, 3 or 12 on the come out roll.
Beating the 7 in games like craps requires understanding the odds and using strategies like the "Don't Pass" bet, which gives you a slight edge. Focus on bets with lower house edges, avoid risky proposition bets, and manage your bankroll carefully. Remember, no strategy can guarantee a win, so always gamble responsibly!
I think I definitely prefer the Arnold for betting on the 7
Casinos do not let you gamble like that any more you can not bet on the pass line and the don't pass at the same time
The big problem for me on this strategy is that the initial Doey Don't bets are not rated for comps.
This makes me think its a better way to play then.
@@traceyB6589 It is very hard to win money.
@@traceyB6589 Did you know that you can only lose a Doey Don't bet?
@@traceyB6589 well, ha ha what the house doesn't want is someone putting down $10k to increase their comps, and then betting pass and don't pass to try to break even or win $50 bucks or so. It's not that they don't comp because it's a brilliant play that they lose money on, it's because it's a hedge that results in very little money to player or casino, and the casino sees it as a waste of time.
Can see anything