As an aside thought, I am far more disturbed by the sins I have committed after having come to Christ than those I committed beforehand, because when I sin as a believer I sin against such great light and against such great goodness.
Tread softly in assuming outside the Holy Scriptures....that man was teaching and preaching against adultery and wickedness and yet doing it himself with what I would consider a child compared to their age difference. So, please tell me how anyone could sit under him again and not only believe his word bt trust him again? Sadly, he once had a great testimony or witness of a Godly life EVEN WHILE COMMITTING ADULTERY! PEOPLE CAN ACT IT IS CALLED HYPOCRISY!
He must repent and spend time with Christ. After he recommit himself to Christ after sometime in sabbatical there’s a possibility to return. We need to extend grace and forgive.
Return into fellowship? Yes. Return as a pastor? Never! 1. Timothy 3,2 (ESV): Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach. Titus 1,7 (ESV): For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain.
No one is perfect? What was the purpose of Christ to come then. The greatest example is King David. Yes we must use much discernment in every situation.
David lived in Old Covenant before Jesus Christ, before the Holy Spirit dwelling in man, so God didn’t expect from David what He expect from New Covenant person. Have you ever read did someone in New Testament fall into adultery? Peter, James, John, Paul…? Whom more is given, more is required.
From these comments it’s clear to see why people stay away from church. You’d rather sinful people pretend they are perfect and probably maintain nonphysical romantic relationships. Better for the sinner to sin, repent, grow, and return as wiser, more grateful, and compassionate shepherd. Forgiveness is what it’s all about. Forgiveness with discernment. Clearly, watch the sinner for a long time to be sure of a change in heart, mind, and character.
Being a pastor is a privilege and responsibility not a requirement for salvation. If you fail in leadership in this way you should be demoted to believer alone. Forgiven after repentance and restored to fellowship alone.
Yes. Lawson was deceiving the Church and mocking God in living a double life. He never was a member at Trinity Bible Church. Lawson needs to repent asap and then return into fellowship. Otherwise he is risking his salvation.
God said he takes the plans of the enemy and turns them around for our good ;he now has a different testimony so his mission is changed .he can still work for God but not as a leader he could be a personal evangelist like i am but not his previous position
Yes, you are disqualified from being in church leadership and ministry,, but you are not disqualified from being a Christian, nor a church member, if you truly repent and allow yourself to be held fully accountable until you could be trusted again. That's common sense, and I would not attend a church where the pastor had committed adultery. How could I trust him, fully? That's why God allows spouses to divorce when their spouse is unfaithful to them. How could they trust them again? Or at least, trust them fully? Trust is at the foundation of relationships. *It's crucial to remember that forgiveness, and trust, are two entirely different entities, altogether. They don't always go together.* Trust can be rebuilt, but it takes time and accountability. Sometimes trust never returns, if the person isn't committed to rebuilding it and being held fully accountable. It's a lot of hard work, but well-worth it. God's word does say a little something about restoring a truly repentant sinner, [...who was warned, beforehand, and had to be kicked out because they refused to repent]. They're to be put out of the congregation and it says to not even have a meal with them. Maybe encourage them to do right, whenever you see them, and pray for them, yes, but not to have a close friendship with them while they're living in besetting, sin. If they truly seem to repent, confess everything honestly ...then they can be allowed back into fellowship, with Bible counseling, but they have to be watched carefully, to be sure they are being honest. There should also be consistent communication with those who are closest to them, since they live with them. They should not be put into leadership of any kind, nor into ministry. I know two separate churches who gave very sinful, unrepentant men positions of leadership and/or ministries, to get them to come back to church, because they had left because their sins had been exposed by their spouses, to the pastor. That is insane. Those men never confessed, never repented, and I'm nearly 100% sure that neither one of them were born again / saved. Both were were terribly abusive narcissists. One was immediately installed as a treasurer, then put into childrens' ninistry with the head deacon's wife. Both of them were known to be chronically unfaithful to their spouses, for years. I'll bet you can guess what happened next? It wasn't long before they had an affair. When their spouses became upset and complained about it, the victim was attacked, the other, ignored. One family was destroyed and had to flee to another state, since the abuser had nothing to fear, with the church's backing , and with their family's backing. Their beautiful son ended up dieing tragically, in his 20s.
I have been a Christian for 42 years after 2 years i was anointed by the pastor and elders as an evangelist ,and 4 years later i fell into adultry and lost my marriage it has bee 17 years i came out of the world God allows me to stay working towards the great commission ,ihave been offered a leadership position on more than one occassion i always say no that i have disqualified through my sin from leadership.i do this because the bible seems clear to me that i am disqualified .Iam blessed and highly favored by God to bring men into the kingdom,so i am now a personal soul winner,i still have anointing ,for Gods callings are without repentance
My appeal to every Muslim, my brother or sister, the owner of the channel, I know that it is not my right to comment on your channel, but God is my witness that our circumstances are harsh and forced me to do this. Please forgive me. My brother, there is still a brotherhood of faith. I asked you for a bag of flour. My brother, we women cannot go out among men. There is still a woman with you. My brother, God has honored you. You are men. We are women. We cannot go out or work like you. My brother, where is the brotherhood of faith in your hearts? We are women. There is no brotherhood, no mercy, no compassion, no humanity. And give good tidings to the patient. It is the greatest hope while waiting for what we want. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' How many times I called and talked and tried hard, but no one responded. Oh man, we are with you. My mother ordered us food from the restaurant. Moreand today. My mother left. Crying. She said, Why are you crying, my mother? She said, My daughter, I ask. God, that I may be honored by death. She said, Why, my mother. She cursed us. She said, "My daughter, today the restaurant owner insulted me. I said, 'Why?' I said, 'How can I be better than people?' I ask God, my daughter. May God gather me. With death alone, a gathering that is better than this humiliation and this humiliation. It is true. I am saying this. It diminishes my value and respect. But, man. I swear to God that I did not say this. I kiss your boots. I am so hungry that my conscience no longer allows me to let you go and ask us for food. I kiss your boots, man, and I ask you by God Almighty and in the Book of God, man, I kiss your boots, man. He has caused us harm, my brother, so that we can buy a kilo of flour and pay the rent. My brother, have mercy on us. He who is in the show will have mercy on you, He who is in the sky. My brother, this is my WhatsApp number: 00967772168484. Whoever can help us,message me on WhatsApp. We will send him the full name. He will transfer us as much as he can. May Allah reward you. Allah knows that my family and I, our house rent is 15 thousand Yemeni riyals per month, and now we owe 45 thousand for 3 months. The owner of the house is one of those people who do not have mercy. By Allah, my brother, he comes every day and humiliates us and talks about us and wants to throw us out of the house and into the street because we were unable to pay him the rent. We will have until the end of the week, and if we pay him, he will swear by Allah that he will throw us out into the street without mercy. See my situation for yourselves. I ask you by Allah, the Living, the Eternal, to help me. By Allah, the Almighty, even at night we cannot sleep from fear. We do not have mattresses or blankets to warm ourselves from the cold. Everything is flooded from the rain, and we have no one but Allah and then you. My brothers, I kiss your boots, don’t turn me awayempty-handed. Help us with whatever you can. Is it acceptable to you that we live in this place? We are girls and we have no one. Our father died in a car accident. Consider us your daughters and your honor, and help me with whatever you can. May God reward you with good =>[[}>] ^][/&;;&;&&;•̥·-•.,¸-•.,¸°·̮ •̥·°,.•¯,.•¯,;;;.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.------------------------------..........
You must be born again [saved] to enter into the kingdom of heaven [John 3:3], the Kingdom of YHWH / Jehovah God, the creator of heaven, earth, of the galaxy, of all humans, and of nature. Yeshua haMashiach made a way for salvation, the ONLY way. *Humbly repent of sinning, before Creator Jehovah God, and place your full faith in His Son Christ Jesus as your Savior and Lord.* Acts 20:21 Mark 1:15 Romans 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-13 John 3:3, 3:16
As an aside thought, I am far more disturbed by the sins I have committed after having come to Christ than those I committed beforehand, because when I sin as a believer I sin against such great light and against such great goodness.
Same here...😢
Not from all ministry but yes he should love Christ enough to step away from pastoral duties ❤
Tread softly in assuming outside the Holy Scriptures....that man was teaching and preaching against adultery and wickedness and yet doing it himself with what I would consider a child compared to their age difference. So, please tell me how anyone could sit under him again and not only believe his word bt trust him again? Sadly, he once had a great testimony or witness of a Godly life EVEN WHILE COMMITTING ADULTERY! PEOPLE CAN ACT IT IS CALLED HYPOCRISY!
Amen!
Well put, thanks.
Before I even listen I’ll say yes, then I’ll listen
Romans 11:29 "for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable." I don't know if could answer this question
He betrayed his position of trust. However His not disqualified from Christ. And yes the bible says........he must be a man of one wife.
He must repent and spend time with Christ. After he recommit himself to Christ after sometime in sabbatical there’s a possibility to return. We need to extend grace and forgive.
Return into fellowship? Yes. Return as a pastor? Never!
1. Timothy 3,2 (ESV): Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.
Titus 1,7 (ESV): For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain.
No one is perfect? What was the purpose of Christ to come then. The greatest example is King David. Yes we must use much discernment in every situation.
Christ didn’t die so cheaters can uphold their leadership positions freely.
David lived in Old Covenant before Jesus Christ, before the Holy Spirit dwelling in man, so God didn’t expect from David what He expect from New Covenant person.
Have you ever read did someone in New Testament fall into adultery?
Peter, James, John, Paul…?
Whom more is given, more is required.
@milandejanovic7872 David did have the Holy Spirit.
From these comments it’s clear to see why people stay away from church. You’d rather sinful people pretend they are perfect and probably maintain nonphysical romantic relationships. Better for the sinner to sin, repent, grow, and return as wiser, more grateful, and compassionate shepherd.
Forgiveness is what it’s all about. Forgiveness with discernment. Clearly, watch the sinner for a long time to be sure of a change in heart, mind, and character.
Being a pastor is a privilege and responsibility not a requirement for salvation. If you fail in leadership in this way you should be demoted to believer alone. Forgiven after repentance and restored to fellowship alone.
God bless you brother Tim.....
Yes. Lawson was deceiving the Church and mocking God in living a double life. He never was a member at Trinity Bible Church. Lawson needs to repent asap and then return into fellowship. Otherwise he is risking his salvation.
God said he takes the plans of the enemy and turns them around for our good ;he now has a different testimony so his mission is changed .he can still work for God but not as a leader he could be a personal evangelist like i am but not his previous position
Unequivocally Yes! Disqualified if done after confessing being saved.
Blessings,🌿
❤️🔥
Amen
tim, you havnt aged a bit for the last 10-15 years when I first listening to you.
Of course, no question.
Yes, you are disqualified from being in church leadership and ministry,, but you are not disqualified from being a Christian, nor a church member, if you truly repent and allow yourself to be held fully accountable until you could be trusted again. That's common sense, and I would not attend a church where the pastor had committed adultery. How could I trust him, fully? That's why God allows spouses to divorce when their spouse is unfaithful to them. How could they trust them again? Or at least, trust them fully? Trust is at the foundation of relationships.
*It's crucial to remember that forgiveness, and trust, are two entirely different entities, altogether. They don't always go together.* Trust can be rebuilt, but it takes time and accountability. Sometimes trust never returns, if the person isn't committed to rebuilding it and being held fully accountable. It's a lot of hard work, but well-worth it.
God's word does say a little something about restoring a truly repentant sinner, [...who was warned, beforehand, and had to be kicked out because they refused to repent]. They're to be put out of the congregation and it says to not even have a meal with them. Maybe encourage them to do right, whenever you see them, and pray for them, yes, but not to have a close friendship with them while they're living in besetting, sin. If they truly seem to repent, confess everything honestly ...then they can be allowed back into fellowship, with Bible counseling, but they have to be watched carefully, to be sure they are being honest. There should also be consistent communication with those who are closest to them, since they live with them. They should not be put into leadership of any kind, nor into ministry.
I know two separate churches who gave very sinful, unrepentant men positions of leadership and/or ministries, to get them to come back to church, because they had left because their sins had been exposed by their spouses, to the pastor. That is insane. Those men never confessed, never repented, and I'm nearly 100% sure that neither one of them were born again / saved. Both were were terribly abusive narcissists.
One was immediately installed as a treasurer, then put into childrens' ninistry with the head deacon's wife. Both of them were known to be chronically unfaithful to their spouses, for years. I'll bet you can guess what happened next? It wasn't long before they had an affair. When their spouses became upset and complained about it, the victim was attacked, the other, ignored. One family was destroyed and had to flee to another state, since the abuser had nothing to fear, with the church's backing , and with their family's backing. Their beautiful son ended up dieing tragically, in his 20s.
I'd say no way back to Leadership.
I have been a Christian for 42 years after 2 years i was anointed by the pastor and elders as an evangelist ,and 4 years later i fell into adultry and lost my marriage it has bee 17 years i came out of the world God allows me to stay working towards the great commission ,ihave been offered a leadership position on more than one occassion i always say no that i have disqualified through my sin from leadership.i do this because the bible seems clear to me that i am disqualified .Iam blessed and highly favored by God to bring men into the kingdom,so i am now a personal soul winner,i still have anointing ,for Gods callings are without repentance
My appeal to every Muslim, my brother or sister, the owner of the channel, I know that it is not my right to comment on your channel, but God is my witness that our circumstances are harsh and forced me to do this. Please forgive me. My brother, there is still a brotherhood of faith. I asked you for a bag of flour. My brother, we women cannot go out among men. There is still a woman with you. My brother, God has honored you. You are men. We are women. We cannot go out or work like you. My brother, where is the brotherhood of faith in your hearts? We are women. There is no brotherhood, no mercy, no compassion, no humanity. And give good tidings to the patient. It is the greatest hope while waiting for what we want. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' How many times I called and talked and tried hard, but no one responded. Oh man, we are with you. My mother ordered us food from the restaurant. Moreand today. My mother left. Crying. She said, Why are you crying, my mother? She said, My daughter, I ask. God, that I may be honored by death. She said, Why, my mother. She cursed us. She said, "My daughter, today the restaurant owner insulted me. I said, 'Why?' I said, 'How can I be better than people?' I ask God, my daughter. May God gather me. With death alone, a gathering that is better than this humiliation and this humiliation. It is true. I am saying this. It diminishes my value and respect. But, man. I swear to God that I did not say this. I kiss your boots. I am so hungry that my conscience no longer allows me to let you go and ask us for food. I kiss your boots, man, and I ask you by God Almighty and in the Book of God, man, I kiss your boots, man. He has caused us harm, my brother, so that we can buy a kilo of flour and pay the rent. My brother, have mercy on us. He who is in the show will have mercy on you, He who is in the sky. My brother, this is my WhatsApp number: 00967772168484. Whoever can help us,message me on WhatsApp. We will send him the full name. He will transfer us as much as he can. May Allah reward you. Allah knows that my family and I, our house rent is 15 thousand Yemeni riyals per month, and now we owe 45 thousand for 3 months. The owner of the house is one of those people who do not have mercy. By Allah, my brother, he comes every day and humiliates us and talks about us and wants to throw us out of the house and into the street because we were unable to pay him the rent. We will have until the end of the week, and if we pay him, he will swear by Allah that he will throw us out into the street without mercy. See my situation for yourselves. I ask you by Allah, the Living, the Eternal, to help me. By Allah, the Almighty, even at night we cannot sleep from fear. We do not have mattresses or blankets to warm ourselves from the cold. Everything is flooded from the rain, and we have no one but Allah and then you. My brothers, I kiss your boots, don’t turn me awayempty-handed. Help us with whatever you can. Is it acceptable to you that we live in this place? We are girls and we have no one. Our father died in a car accident. Consider us your daughters and your honor, and help me with whatever you can. May God reward you with good =>[[}>] ^][/&;;&;&&;•̥·-•.,¸-•.,¸°·̮ •̥·°,.•¯,.•¯,;;;.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.≪∫⌈,.------------------------------..........
???? What on earth?? This is not from God's word.
You must be born again [saved] to enter into the kingdom of heaven [John 3:3], the Kingdom of YHWH / Jehovah God, the creator of heaven, earth, of the galaxy, of all humans, and of nature.
Yeshua haMashiach made a way for salvation, the ONLY way.
*Humbly repent of sinning, before Creator Jehovah God, and place your full faith in His Son Christ Jesus as your Savior and Lord.*
Acts 20:21
Mark 1:15
Romans 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9-13
John 3:3, 3:16