"Something Drastic Has To Happen" Roger Hallam | BBC HardTalk | Extinction Rebellion
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- Roger Hallam talks with Stephen Sackur from the BBC's HardTalk series.
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I think what Stephen Sackur wants to know is "How are we going to get out of this climate emergency with all our former privileges intact? Why can't we just change the world without actually changing the world?"
Bingo!
Exactly!!!!
Did you realize that this was a cynical comment? 😁
@@achenarmyst2156 by who?
Say it louder for the climate change deniers and conservatives in the back!
Wow! This is like a medical doctor having an argument with a faith healer.
Which one is which in your eyes?
The faith healer being the BBC interviewer.
And the entire world thinks he or she is a faith healer, they read it on facebook.
I am a 50 year old granddad who will be going to the Extinction Rebellion demonstration in London in October. The first demo I have been to in my life. I am frightened for the future of my grandchildren.
Why rebel to cause extinction. These people are like followers of Jim Jones.
Don’t be an idiot Donald, actually do something good other than joining a doomsday cult
Don’t be frightened for the future of our grandchildren... they aren’t likely to be on earth any more. Rejoice and celebrate what’s left to experience
Nobhead
just don't block the roads please thanks :).
Imagine; disrupting traffic just to prevent climate catastrophe!
You'd get run over if you did that in America. Because we have government encouraged terrorism here.
Extinction rebellion: the black taxis are poisonous and need to be stopped
The black taxis: well looks like I’m gonna sit here and idle for the next 2 hours and burn all this fuel
Open all water taps at a preannounced time for two hours. That could explain the fragility of our systems. It would allow people to secretly take part, too.
Final Score Roger 5, BBC Nil. We have to be shaken out of our comfort zones and if a bit of social unrest achieves this, it is better than mass famine and starvation. An immediate worldwide one child policy will halve the population in 50 years. An immediate halt to needless travel and mindless consumerism. GDP reduction and lowering standard of living should be encouraged. Living a simpler life is an honourable goal.
@Aaron NoneYa what about the busses and trains? Also it was the summer, you can’t have air con on without the engine on tell that To the cunts that glued their hands to the floor
Haha think before you speak
"The world is ending." "Ok, but why are you so negative?"
Beautifully put. Kinda makes a person wanna bang his/her head against something solid tho, don't it....?
The world isn't ending, just the earth's ability to sustain a civilization of 7 billion humans without most suffering.
@@RonJLow It is quite selfunderstood that when humans talk about "world" they mean the human's world as known today. Of course the planet won't disappear ;-)
Alberto Carrà It somehow reminds me to Galileo facing the Inquisition.
Too many have around three or more (history shows people encouraged and made to move from open country to towns and cities, where promiscuity is encouraged, firstly with no contraception, then once contraception was made available and encouraged, society and culture still encouraged around three or more children per woman. Cities and towns have bred like rabbits to promote growth deliberately for war and work force).
Only the world as we know it is ending, but how that ends and whether we're able to make a new beginning for humanity, I think is the question.
When will the interviewer stop interrupting and accusing the man?
This guy is awesome. Thank you Roger!!!!
Roger is an undercover freak... I would be very careful of who you admire
So refreshing to have an environmental movement which welcomes the participation of ordinary people with low incomes and crap jobs.
Which climate movement doesnt?
Stephen Sackur... what a condescending, pompous fool. Well done Roger, you handled it brilliantly.
Both parties here did a good job. I'm a member of XR by the way. The BBC interviewer's job was to put the position and ideas of people not involved in XR, a large portion of people in the country. I was out on the streets yesterday talking to people about XR - I do that regularly. The interviewer gave Roger Hallam a platform to speak. The BBC has it's faults BUT it is still better than the outlets owned by Maxwell and overseas financial interests. Don't diss your BBC folks - that's dangerous. We need a news outlet that is publicly rather than privately owned desperately.
i rated interviewer thumbs up because he did his job but i think he sincerely believes in what his question indicate he does.
Well said.
Most of the questions were valid and helpful in letting the good Roger get straight to his key talking points.
These are the questions we face, so these are the questions we should keep answering.
Is that what he was doing i thought he was just an ass that didnt get it. Its do it or you die. Pretty simple choice whether you like it or not. We are shutting down washington dc soon. I believe sunrise movement is coordinating that though im way far up in new england so ill just be watching from a distance.
Support the Guardian. 👍
@15:48
Roger: "The elites and the BBC have simply not grasped the enormity of what's happening"
BBC reporter: "I-- uhh uhh........."
The interviewer never once asked him what ER’s demands are. He only wanted to frame ER as negative and radical. How disgraceful.
They spent time discussing the 0 carbon emissions by 2025 demand.
As they should, I'm wondering why flying a hammer and sickle or other communist flag is accepted whilst flying a nazi flag is not.
Communism has killed nearly 20 times the people the nazis did
@martin corderoy what are you talking about?
@@ADHDsquirrels Very true!. Nobody does films about the Gulags ,the Russian famine or the Great Leap Forward.
what they DEMAND...... your a clown
Humans have reached such an insane level of hubris, for example this host can’t imagine his incredible privilege going away.
He might just live out the rest of his life in comfort. If he has a heart attack in 18 years
Well, maybe he has compassion on humanity, but he's going about it the wrong way. Standing in the streets, blocking traffic doesn't help. Only three words can effectively describe the action needed: 'Bust some heads', Or: 'Another Black Death". Either one works.
If there is a BBC in 20 years time, and Stephen Sackur is still alive, this interview will come back to haunt him, for sure.
He'll be in a hole crying like a baby and hiding from the angry peasants with pikes.
20yrs more of the bbc?
@Donald McCarthy hi. Your comment was made 30 days ago when you predicted 20 days. Feeling stupid yet? Ready for that red pill yet huh? No?
@Donald McCarthy your 20 minutes comment was made one hour ago. And yet it makes more sense than anything this cult leader said
The cancer analogy is perfect.
In the face of cancer people either give up or do extreme changes in lifestyle.
Or have chemo, radiation or surgery or all three plus changes in lifestyle and outlook on life. Life is short.
"The goal of capitalism is to turn everything into garbage as fast as possible and to extract as much gold as conceivable in the process." - Zobo the Economist
15:40 This is the biggest problem. The elites, the BBC and the conventional media has simply not grasped the enormity of what is happening.
Oh, they know, but, nothing is to interfere with the operation of the market. That's what neoliberal capitalism's all 'bout!
No the biggest problem is the Wealthy control Everything!!!
@@mrnice4434 the leaders are Owned by the Wealthy!!! Remember the google climate summit a few weeks ago all the elites flew to it in their private jets and yachts? Elites don't care they think they will survive.
@@jageo48 Their form of capitalism is in truth an addiction to profit - just like heroin junkies with their minds on the next hit.
@@ashleylaw Whether that impending collapse may take days, weeks or months, does not really matter, in view of the consequences.
What we are doing now will determine the survival of civilization.
The journalist tried to trap him so many times, and Roger’s answered brilliantly and bravely. I completely admire him and pray that many more (including myself) will be so courageous to join the movement, to sacrifice to protect our children’s future!
Agreed! I can't imagine a better representative of the truth.
Rodger remained composed throughout the interview. 👌
He wasn't given a chance to answer the questions fully but he insisted on. It was more like an interrogation than an interview. Years ago on Hard Talk the guest did most of the talking.
As I said above, Not at all he is paid to ask questions. If he didn't he would be accused of a weak interview. He asked questions that gave Hallam the chance to make the points he wanted the sceptics to hear.
Yep, join the EU - you can never leave.
Wow... I applaud Roger Hallam for being cool, calm and collected in this interview. I don't see nearly enough of this type of brutal truth telling in the U.S. on any main media channel. Good job! I agree with Mr. Hallam on every point.
Well because someone like him would never be allowed on media. Gotta give BBC at least props for that, even if the interviewer was disgusting.
@@stevelucas4317 Why would a communist try to bring about a socialist government. Wouldn't he try to bring about a communist government?
He's my uncle btw hahaha
@@dejayrezme8617 According to Marx that's exactly what you'd do.
@@dejayrezme8617 this is not about forms of government. This is about a physical impact of worlds behaviour and what must be done to soften it or even mitigate. It does not matter which label can be put on which item anymore.
Ultimately the interviewer seems more interested in Hallam as a revolutionary before all else. This illustrates perfectly the obstacles placed in the way of the change necessary to avert climate, and social, catastrophe.
@@travelbugse2829 He is far more concerned about the solution than he is about the problem.
Well put. Ratings have a way eliminating critical thinking.
I started listening to this conversation with some reservations towards Roger Hallem. The integer and intelligent way he is presenting his point, which partly is then demonstrated by the interviewer, did win me over. No shouting or screaming but intelligent conversation, even when the person opposite to you is playing a game. Well done!
@Muso Snoop So we can agree there is change going on. Can we agree things are changing fast?
He's not encouraging rebellion, he's predicting it. He's saying it's going to happen no matter what if capitalism keeps running rampant.
it's a standard anarchist manifesto re-jigged with some climate hysteria and a dash of Marxism
Running rampant ?how are you going to fund new tech which might help the planet,what do you people actully want ?
@@nanjones6947 running rampid memes running wild and out of control, www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/rampant - that is not going to help fund all the tech we need to solve climate change.
Standard Marxist rhetoric. Marx spoke of nothing else. None of those predictions happened, as they have no scientific validity but are just pseudoscientific gibberish.
If business as usual continues the human race will wipe ourselves out.
Fun fact, if you go to BBC HARDtalk's TH-cam homepage and look through their library this episode *is* *not* shown.
Because it full of shit.
Except it is, sometimes. I'm not sure you know how algorithms and personalisation work.
@@mansnotbot4160 Hazard a guess that not understanding algorithms and personalization puts me in the majority. Near as I can figure, one man's personalization is another man's suppression.
At least the HARDtalk with Mia Khalifa is easily accessible. Priorities.
That's because it goes against their narrative after airing.
There's no more room for, "Can't we all just get along?
Dr. Roger Hallam interview on BBC? Times are changing at last. I hope we're not too late. I've been deployed to Afganistan for a year so I've seen how collapse of society looks like.
I'm scared shitless, not for myself, I've seen enough of human misery to be OK with dying, but I do care for the future of my children.
Roger here - can you contact extinction rebellion - would like to speak to you. thanks
Yes what youve witnessed is valuable, albeit painful n traumatic. People lack the immagination of what societal collapse looks like. At best theyre immagining some sort of ww2 rationing
kim warburton they have forgotten the movie Mad Max?
@@rockitMiC its a movie a fantasy n thus easily dismissed as pure entertainment. Consider how those with no direct links to those who suffered during ww2 have a different attitude to those who have had close ties ... my grandparents were children in countryside. Didnt hit home tangibly until i was care assistant to a polish lady who been tattooed and used like a football at the weekends by the camp guards. All these years later n she was still afraid of showers. No 1 told me on my 1st visit a shower day n i accidently caused her a ptsd episode to my utter horror n shock
I say weekends but i mean during the guards quiet times. The impression i got was the time periods we today consider weekends. Her bones were constantly broken. Shed been a child raped n allsorts. But it was the football story that really brought home the casual voilence n disregard n depersonalisation in these normal human guards. How they became so twisted so quickly. They wernt inherently evil demons they became such cos culture enabled such to emerge.
The questions the interviewer asked and the way he asked then were plain embarrassing. What a joke. Not sure how Hallam held his temper. Fair play to the man
Sackur speaks that way to everyone. That's why it's called HardTalk. Hallam handled it well.
@@briansmith3791 he did. This prevalent style of interviewing pi5ses me right off. What's the point, just prodding around with sneers and personal attacks - ignoring the actual hard facts of the science. What do they expect people to learn?
Mne Nadoelo then when shit gets real the media can snuggly say, “what do you mean we failed to inform the public? we even had XR on the BBC numerous times”.
Here's a real journalist interviewing Hallam.
th-cam.com/video/Y9MQGRI8N48/w-d-xo.html
@Donald McCarthy anger is an energy and Hallam channelled it impressively there. 'emotional engagement' left sakur with the resentment .
As a scientist, I just can not emotionally understand the severity of the situation. So I understand others, non-scientists can not understand it emotionally. But the problem: It's true anyway. If someone would tell me I have terminal cancer, I would take some time to emotionally understand that too.
It is not true at all.
We have had warmer periods than now in the relatively recent past.
Were they negative times for humanity?
Not at all it was when they ended that famine and disease moved it.
What is the catastrophe that longer growing seasons and greater ice free areas will cause?
This was a pitiful display on the BBCs part.
"Its science we're doomed" was said twice I think without challenge.
This man is a communist and an enemy of mankind.
@@thetruth7633 The technical or rational part is not the problem. Can you give some ideas how to explain it? I mean parts of an simple explanation or so. (Not meant as a provocation, I'm curious to understand the idea, and whether we mean the same thing,)
@@jonvalentine8109 "We have had warmer periods than now" But temperatures now are not the big problem. A further increase may be.
@8alot4t At first, I thought the "IT" in "that IT is the most powerful and most necessary science of all sciences" was referring to computer science, implying artificial intelligence is the most powerful science. And that may actually become true. Which is something to be genuinely afraid of. But for now, It's physics.
@8alot4t I did not read these books, but I have a pretty good grasp of the current state in the real world. What is usually called AI for practical purposes is extremely useful, and not dangerous. You use it to solve a specific problem, it works great, no problem (I studied computer science). The really interesting, and potentially really dangerous, is called general artificial intelligence or artificial general intelligence.
It is a software that can not only solve a specific problem, but can solve problems it was not specifically build for. Something like human intelligence, roughly. There are reasons to expect that actually happening, in less than a decade from now, roughly. That does not mean it will happen, but the arguments are good.
Now, that's not a problem, in itself.
Where it gets seriously scary is: It can learn, and do that quickly. And it can enhance itself more generally, make itself more intelligent above learning as we do. That means it can get much more intelligent than we are. Quickly.
If it is malicious, that would be bad. But I see not much reason to expect that.
But if it is benevolent: It is not clear what would happen then.
And not, we can not just pull the plug: Say we know it can calculate cancer cures specific to a person. Like, for example, for your daughter, if you keep it running.
“I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
― Albert Einstein
The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.
--- Also Einstein
One of the most rational people currently walking on the planet
Best comment so far.
The BBC journo? Because it's sure as hell not Hallam.
sad old looney
He's an emotional manipulator selling a story of doom. There's nothing rational about being a PIMP or a HUCKSTER who wants to kill us all to save the world.
He's a wack job.
This interviewer like the media at large for many years now is framing trust in empirical evidence as a political position.
What proof did this commie offer?
Its science we are doomed he kept saying.
Its warm in summer we are doomed.
@@jonvalentine8109 Deforestation, plastic oceans, oil spills, poisoned air, water, and land ... and you want to somehow justify capitalism?
@@jonvalentine8109 You are a denier. Don't worry, you are not alone. There are many many people like you. But you watched this video. It's scary but have courage. Now go and read the latest IPCC report. Spoiler alert: the report essentially boils down to the fact that if there has not been truly radical change by 2030, civilisation is lost. And remember, the IPCC is arguably the MOST conservative and scientifically reticent organisation in the entire world. They are most likely to underestimate the time that we have and the severity of the problem. If they say that 2030 is the deadline, then you can be sure that things will happen sooner and be a lot worse than they say.
For the latest report issued in 2018, they would be using scientific research conducted no later than about 2013. Scientific research on the climate since then has been delivering more and more alarming results. Many climate scientists are office based and are very invested in their computer models which leave out many factors which has very important in the overall situation. These factors are not included because the scientists do not know how to include the factors in their models or there isn't enough meaningful data. Field based scientists - those people who actually get out there and observe and measure - are publishing papers that are showing that things are much worse than thought and things are happening 'faster than expected'.
The failure to realise that science delivers facts, not opinions, is a sign of a weak intellect. And yes, most people in the media appear to have weak intellects, unfortunately.
@@travelbugse2829 Surely you realise the media reports science at a very shallow level, professional journalists make a dozen mistakes in almost every article I see on climate change. There are great people in media, no doubt, but the mainstream media in the UK has shown an appallingly weak understanding of the complex issues it aims to report on. This I think is a realisation most people have, no? I don't mean to talk down to anyone, for all I know I do have an undeveloped intellect compared to the climate scientists who work on the IPCC reports. But at least I don't have the audacity to present scientific consensus as opinion, to levy challenges against a position I don't fully understand - and that's exactly what the media has done with regard to climate change, and what they're doing in this very video.
Poor Stephen. He STILL didn't get it? Just doing his job, moving some papers around on his desk, and reality going clean over his head. The perfect embodiment of why we are in such deep trouble.
I stand with you, Roger, always. Thank you for your service to humanity and this Earth. Your strength in the face of adversity is admirable. Thank you.
Thank you
Thank you Roger Hallam for this... such poise and focus and clarity... brave and compassionate man
Such lunacy.
Considering the channels that you support, I'm quite confused.
if there are billions of pounds to spend on weapons, there is money to spend to make changes.
@@SweetSmoke21 you can go look at the satelight feed. Your buddy is one person in one spot seeing with an individuals eyes. He cant see everything. Run the numbers exon knew about this in the 70s that came out in a court case. They ran disinformation campaigns. Moneyed interests stand to gain short term profits. You cant grow infinitely in a finite space. The planet is big but it is finite.
@@davidbeaulieu4815 it's amazing how the denier trolls proclaim social conspiracy while never citing contextual scientific evidence.
@@SweetSmoke21 If there becomes a nuclear world war the fourth world war will be waged with sticks and stones. We need to move from impertinence to total equanimity.
he keeps going on about the people how many people
we r not responsible for climate change we r responsible for air polution
This interview will become very important in future. It will be showed in TV again and again and future generations will cry about our ignorance and greed then.
There was a brief moment at the end where Roger nearly began to falter under the relentless numb skull questioning, but with an undercut and hard jab comes back like Muhammad Ali. Speak the truth Roger, we're with you man.
The program is called Hard Talk, the premise being that the presenter offers a robust challenge to the views of the interviewee. Here Roger Hallam tries to highlight the cognative dissonance of those who accept the science on climate change but have trouble understanding or imagining the consequences of that on our societies and in our everyday lives.
Although Mr Hallam went to some lengths to point out that the intersection of global warming and the structures of global Capitalism will inevitably lead to the collapse of those economic structure on which we all currently rely, and that therefore we need to take some pretty drastic collective action now in order to limit the deleterious effects of that inevitable collapse, the interviewer stoically resisted accepting that point, instead preferring to focus on Mr Hallam and XR, the messengers, as a significant threat to civilisation. This was uncharitable: arguing in bad faith.
This seems to reflect the wider discourse on these issues, where each 'side' of the debate are fundamentally concerned with different things. On the XR side the argument proceeds on an understanding and acceptance of the science and its implications for action, whereas on the corporate, Capitalism side the argument is concerned with discrediting the 'messenger' as a means of neutralising the kinds of action the message implies. One side is concerned with protecting the biosphere upon which we all depend and the other with being seen to 'win' the debate in favour of inaction and business as usual.
This is only to be expected. In an economic culture of quarterly profit reports, short-term electoral cycles, the wholesale outsourcing of public policy and provision to the private sector, the co-opting of political representation through the patronage of donation, and global economic and financial systems which apparently can now only be maintained by transferring massive amounts of wealth from the public into private hands through QE programs, those who have imagined a present and a future in which environmental realities are ignored in favour of asset-value growth are indistinguishable from the people invested with the power to govern us.
Organisations like XR challenge the status quo by raising a fundamental question: who is governing us and in who's interests do they govern?
To a great extent the climate crisis renders that moot. It doesn't really matter who is invested with the power to govern us, and therefore who has the power and authority to decide the conditions of our existence; what matters is that action is taken now on behalf of, and in the interests of, all of us, regardless of our political positions or social-economic status or beliefs. However, this certainly cannot be achieved while governments continue to devise and support social, political, economic and legal frameworks which disproportionately preference the interests of the asset-rich above the everyday existential requirements of the rest of us. Those powerful global interests need their consciousness raised on climate and environmental issues as much as anybody else, because the issues which XR and others highlight clearly demonstrate that when it comes to deciding how best to organise our societies we all have an equal vested interest in the environment and the health of the biosphere.
This is why it is extremely unhelpful to pitch the debate as a conflict between the power of global Capitalism and environmental protesters. Environmental protesters are not fighting for exclusive control of the environmental battlefield, they are fighting to preserve the very existence of the field itself, and in order to succeed in that endeavour those who already have total control of it first need to acknowledge its common ownership and common utility and then work with environmentalists to secure its future for everyone.
T.H. Woth, good analysis.
Very well said! I've been wondering if the so-called global elites are not as monolithic as JFK described them. Perhaps, a faction has developed and are executing Agenda 21/30 actions to deal with the threat of climate change. What really worries me is how they plan to depopulate humanity. Is a climate catastrophe actually intended to do the job?
@@computerworks1075 : At this point conspiracy theories about powerful faceless agents secretly controlling the arc of history are unhelpful - even if they are true :) We're all aware of the kinds of legal and regulatory frameworks which have been devised and deployed in the interest of quick and dirty profits, and it's these frameworks we need to reform if we are to stand any chance of mitigating the increasingly adverse social, political, and economic effects that rampant profiteering at the expense of the biosphere are having on us all. We could make corporations and the asset-rich who have reaped tremendous benefits from those frameworks pay their fair share of tax tomorrow if we chose to; we could transfer those revenues into green energy, renewing infrastructure, and securing the food supply etc the day after; we could make businesses meet certain social obligations and environmental requirements the day after that. The problem is not just that those profiteering entities which have colonised our democracies over the last 40 years are de-motivated to make the necessary changes, but that they are motivated to not do anything at all. This is why we need groups like XR, and ordinary people, to demand that our governments pull their heads out of their arses and reform our economic systems in all our interests today.
"Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day".
We need to find someone rich enough to run for office without donations from big pharma, the tobacco industry or arms dealers.
But no business magnate or billionaire pop star really gives a shit until they're the last person on the planet
@@computerworks1075 T.H.Woth nails it but i'll add my 2 pennies...
There are no mass conspiracies when it's all out in the open. There is no 'they'.......The different branches of US government don't even trade information as freely as you'd think so how the hell could different world governments collude!?
I'll tell you how Trump or the Brexit happened thru direct propagandization of the public....it's called information warefare ie Trump running 1m ad's a day on facebook sh!tting on Hilary
That interviewer was not hearing anything and was behind patronizing at in the process. Thank you Roger Hallam.
he just needed to bun a fat bifta
So a year ago we were being told that it was impossible to close down the airports and the economy. Here we are in 2020 and clearly where there is a will there is a way.
Well, someone has been thinking about this issue ! Nice answers to "hard" questions.
I deeply agree with the incapacity of the journalist to connect emotionally : he'd just burst in tears if he could, and would stop nagging about Roger being a bad guy, idealistic, and so on.
Now, about hope,
I think Roger's answer here could be completed by the idea that we're on the hopeful way as we refuse extinction. We're looking towards a different world without - or with much less - addiction to energy, power, stress. We're building a new society with different values, care, a better communication, smoother organisations.
We won't spend time in traffic jams, won't breathe particles. We'll gather, sing songs and dance dances (sounds repetitive, I know, but it's still hopeful). We'll create new streams of art, a new connexion to Nature and to this incredibly big, moving and beautifuly organised Universe.
If there's less hope in that than in a SUV, well, maybe you're not engaging emotionally.
A ruthless bit of grilling from the BBC... but having heard never before of mr Hallam, I must say... he is the real deal.
He may be another Al Gore,thank goodness.
Luke Corradine.
As were Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and others who hated democracy, curtailed free speach, denied the right to live without fear etc. Oh yes Hallam is the real deal alright!
@@neiljohn2894 Luckily you don't have to worry about all this as you clearly live on another planet!!!
Yup.
@@fenderbender1296 Al gore is a politician. It is like comparing a puppy on a leash to a timber wolf.
Thank you Roger for your truth, wisdom and bravery. See you in London...
I'm from Australia. Steven trivialised and misrepresented what happened at our recent election. Doing so weakened his position. I "hope" the media will one day join us in getting message out and start to let people know that the ONLY WAY to try to offset a small part of the damage that is happening and the horror to come is for extreme change to the economy and our lifestyle
A good primer on what to expect from mainstream journalists. Roger mopped the floor with him.
And humanity is lying to itself and will continue to do so.
No it won't continue at all because we will be extinct.
@@mariekung9109 Speak for yourself.
@@laurencevanhelsuwe3052 Not much to share. What do you think you'd need to do to survive? Do that. All it takes is a little consideration.
@@ericcampbell503 haha that is Rich. You can not survive No matter what you think. But keep believing doesnt matter what you do.
@@WebCideR Oh, I'm not trying to live forever. Just longer than folks like you.
There is an air of the brave warrior in Roger in this interview, quietly, humbly, patiently, clearly, tolerantly spoken though he may be. I do admire this dedication and inner strength. I do think that the interviewer ended up with considerable respect for Roger, and it is deserved.
I do wish to share, again, the thought on the stance 'to rise up and rebel for our "deep love of life "'. I am one among the millions who do not share this reality. More accurately, many of us have a deep love of death. But, yes, I do wish to protect Earthlife from suffering, particularly at the hands of we humans. Again, not alone in this desire.
Very brave. We're ready for change. No matter the cost. Bring down the system. Help the earth.
We are in freefall and have little time to open the parachute. Below, the hard facts of reality are waiting. The impact inevitably follows. In what hardness, we can decide, if we act now.
The interviewer and most of us believe that we live in a democratic system. We do not!
We live in a Capitalist system which is a dual system of democratic government institutions which are supposed to regulate the feudal/plutocratic institutions that corporations are.
We can see where that power lies and XR is challenging that!
Disruption is a loud voice but Capital is relentless and ruthless.
Geoff Kayum
But individual apathy at the consumer AND political engagement level are still factors. Waste, pollution, ecocide, etc..., as well as racism, sexism, special, operate under any economic/political system as well (though are worsened under capitalism IMO).
Who is ready to give up their car, their phone, their meat and dairy? It’s a monumental task. I do respect what X-RAY is attempting, but we ALL have to make sacrifices.
^^specism^^
Damn autocorrect. Lol. ^XR^^
So can unbridled socialism Rodger.
For the alternative see Eric Zencey, The Other Road to Serfdom. Drastic would be promoting and supporting a new, third way system of politics. Greens. Not Greenpeace.
As for our failures ongoing. Capitalism is not successful since Sweden with a Carbon Tax, one at the very highest globally at $139 a ton, only budged 15% on their emissions. How long the timeline to get below 3 tons of emissions per person?
So Rodger, we cannot simply rail against the machine to act wisely when WE, we are the creators of the mess. Personal and community accountability and responsibility is necessary within bioregions with locally agreed transition. Misallocation of the remaining scarce resources under some socialist universal Rx command and control will
still have a great chance of running us off the proverbial cliff.
The training has to go beyond the protest actions to break the system and, it requires us to accept like Ghandi and Abdul Ghaffar Khan our long walks in the struggle.
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Ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority.
@@livthedream91 True that.
IMHO, Roger needs to talk more about the facts of climate change (Arctic sea ice disappearing, jet stream disturbances, etc.). Not to inform the interviewer - who isn't listening - but to educate the wider audience listening to the program.
IMO, what Roger is warning us all about is the active DECISION that has been made by the aristocracy, oligarchy, and plutocracy: INACTION.
That is INTENTIONAL.
That is why authoritarian Neo-Fascism is rising in the US & Europe... and elsewhere (Turkey, Brazil, the Philippines, etc). This could not happen without a greenlight from those with power.
Ruling elites have been directed by their masters to allow the starvation & depopulation of the 99%.
They have already destroyed functional democracy.
Roger held back because to say this explicitly would really put him in dangerous territory... accusations of being an Agenda 21 conspiracy nut & the like.
What he's warning is that democracy has already been disarmed. That is why a mass uprising & citizen assemblies are the only options left... and why it will become violent: the reaction of the STATE will be violence toward The People.
We are marked for destruction anyway.
We have nothing left to lose & the plutocracy is more than happy to cut us loose.
Wresting government from this murderous class & restoring democracy holds the only hope of facing this apocalypse humanely.
He does talk about those things in his talks. This is only 17 mins and he was trying to a) answer the questions and b) avoid getting bogged down in details. Hardtalk is always a very adversarial interview (that's the point) - I think he did a pretty good job here. There are lots of places you can read about the science.
@@adriennenonami1709 Hi Adrienne. You and I have known for a long time that we are over the proverbial cliff. Nevertheless, I still champion those who challenge the psychopaths in power - even if it is far too late to prevent the disaster on the horizon. Peace to you.
they can look him up on youtube and learn all they need to learn.
@@julieannmyers8714 actually, it is the West that has supported the neo-fascism for many many years and so that is the true history of this land. The psychopaths that are ruling the West are the criminals that were forced from the East.....the thieves, the destroyers, the murderers. The countries supporting, inserting the terrorists into sovereign countries, and at the same time rescuing those from prosecution for the crimes against humanity while giving them noble peace prizes and awards for great acting skills and lies......like the 'White Helmets'.......we are all living a lie in this part of the world and many are realizing the total deceit of the criminal capitalist system and the evil walking among us that lurks and hides in the shadows of our traitorous government.
Mr Hallam has it right. We're doomed without action. The interviewer was positively hostile.
Hallam was a champ in this interview
We have two choices: A-Going on thinking about Economics B-Try to repair what we´ve done, sacrificing all we can in order to no more and no less than SAVE OUR LIVES.
Unfortunately, we humans have been defaulting to hedonism for way too long.
Disobedience is the only way. Ask nicely form an orderly queue and you won’t be listened too!! Right on mate
We have been conditioned for years to be obedient and many are finally breaking free of that web of lies and seeing what is actually happening. The whole system needs to collapse.
We also need to make sure that we only vote for parties and politicians that will put climate at the top of the list of priorities.
The Hallam guy is either a dangerous liar or really dumb.
@@alangaillard2988 Do you not understand, there is a group of very wealthy people in the world who are using their power to maintain the status quo because that benefits them. They have been very successful in this for the last 30 years. We have now reached the point where the exploitation of the environment that has made these people rich is now threatening the existence of human civilisation. We need to force governments to take emergency action to avoid the worst consequences of climate change, the extinction of the natural world and antibiotic-resistant bacteria. People in poorer countries are already losing their homes to sea-level rise and their lives to extreme weather events. The wealthy believe that their wealth will protect them from the dangers the rest of us are going to face. They do not value our lives.
@@ResurrectingJiriki If, 30 years ago when Exxon scientist first realised the scale of the problem burning fossil fuels was going to cause, we had acknowledged the problem and started to make changes they would have been small manageable adjustments but we didn't so now we are facing an emergency where, if we do nothing, billion will die.
Like the Titanic, we have just become aware of the iceberg looming large on the horizon. Can we turn the ship enough to avoid complete disaster? My guess is probably not.
Gee Kay you do not know "real" history !
@@lindacarroll6849 enlighten me
Roger Hallam has it right and Sackur sounds "hopeful" that he won't have to give up anything.....while Rome burns.
We failed because we didn't grasp the fact that capitalism was screwing us and now it's too late, but let us go down trying, for our children's sake, whatever your politics.
Celestial Teapot well if we go down then we go down together 🙏
@Hierophant What collapse?
What are you talking about?
Yeah yeah yeah. Only people with children could care about the future, right? You shouldn't have had them if there was no future for them. And some people had a few too many kids
What are you talking about?
Celestial Teapot Communism killed 100 million people at least. Capitalism has made life easier, increased living standards along with life expectancy end of discussion.
Roger Hallam is right. The Interviewer was emotionally disconnected. 6 Billion people will die - did anybody see any reaction on the interviewers face? A main problem - human psychology.
Most will get disconnected when listening to catastophial facts. How to solche this problem? Love and Rage, from Germany
Agreed... total disconnect.
To choose capitalism or industrial civilization over survival & humane means of facing apocalypse?
It boggles the mind.
As it has been said, "It is easier for most people to imagine the end of the world than to imagine the end of capitalism."
Whether it was Mark Fisher or Zizek who said it is immaterial.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalist_Realism:_Is_There_No_Alternative%3F
"Capitalist realism as I understand it cannot be confined to art or to the quasi-propagandistic way in which advertising functions. It is more like a pervasive atmosphere, conditioning not only the production of culture but also the regulation of work and education, and acting as a kind of invisible barrier constraining thought and action."
Great comment. Humans are barely able to comprehend their own mortality let alone a mass extinction event....
-The answer is people like us have to work 10x harder to make up for them and let them go back to daydreaming
*Fear and Loathing, from London*
Im spreading the facts wherever i go online. Be it a brexit vid or what have you at EVERY opportunity. I dont care if im disliked. If i can get just 1 person to look into these claims, thats a win. It also shows others theres more of us, we are not alone n ive found much support online and irl. Most are still in 1 of the grief stages imo
Key thing is to paint a picture, bring it home to how itll affect them. Focus on environment n soil infertility facts. People lack the experience or immagination too
eugenicist-safe huh ?
It is very difficult for a man to understand something when his job security depends on him NOT understanding!
This clip is going into my Google Selfish Ledger Time Capsule. Future generations (if they exist) will look back at examples of mainstream denial like in this video and just marvel at our rationalizations for genocide and ecocide.
"Why the need for Extinction Rebellion?" Did I really hear the interviewer ask such a damn fool question? Hopeless and utterly uncomprehending interviewing approach.
Keep up the good work Mr Hallam. Thank you for standing up.
Agreed - thank you Mr Hallam, for trying to make a simple argument to this interviewer apparently only concerned with his next paycheck. And as Upton Sinclair pointed out, it’s very hard to educate someone when their paycheck depends on NOT understanding.
@@ToxicTorgo 👍
@@ToxicTorgo Absolutely right. Otherwise that program would not justify the title of hard talk - next paycheck please.
It's quite scary that some people think this Hallam guy is not a raving lunatic... because that's what he is.
@Rolf Jander if you're gullible enough to believe the media hype.
I'm so glad this interview took place
It's fascinating to watch the old paradigm literally unable to process reality.
its actually denial, inspired by fear of losing their precious excessive wealth. They are not that dumb.
@Rudiger Glique Your Alzheimer's is showing. Not surprising u find it difficult to comprehend. We'll hand it over to others more intelligent-like children.
Lol yep-they are all just like that infant trump. See them in their nappies spitting out the dummy, red faced screaming "No, no no!"
Anyone who thinks this crank with a beard and sandals is right, then you’re mental
@@travelbugse2829 The proof is in the pudding. What you believe doesnt matter one bit. What XR does works. Hellam has his proof of concept as we say in hard sciences. Nothing else for the past 30 years has worked. So there you are, made irrelevant by the facts, like all the mouthpieces who try to defend the system which is killing us. In any case, Roger Hellam made me believe that sociology was the missing piece in the climate movement since finally people acts on the scientific facts.
We want to speak with Roger hallam ASAP!
Its important
Me too!
Brilliant interview. The interviewer plays devil's advocate, but I do think the message gets through by the end.
Yes, the message that these climate fascists are insane comes across clear as day.
@@MikkoVille says the absolute crackpot who uploads the video that you do!!
I'm not extinction rebellion and this man is definitively not going "too far".
He is the Loony Left, with dangerous undertones. Bring down society is his message. Back to the Stone Age!
@@kitemanmusic It is a real shame that you sound so closed minded, woke indoctrinated and devoid of critical thinking skills.
He was brave to do this, please peacefully protest with us in October
Brutal truth, even Sackur looked frightened at the end
I think that your imagination is running a bit wild, there.
Nothing but respect for Mr. Hallam. He speaks the hard truth. Action was needed decades ago, so why are you sitting here? Get involved.
I am a supporter of Extinction Rebellion and I am full of hope for the future. I was initially surprised at the lack of hope expressed by Roger in this interview, but then I realised that it wasn't the time or place for hope. The kind of hope that the interviewer was seeking was the kind the politicians and the elites are counting on, and it would just weaken the position of Extinction Rebellion at the moment. Once the people's assemblies are set up and the required fundamental changes have begun, that's the time for hope. Of course having said all that, it's clear that Extinction Rebellion is a completely hopeful movement and all its supporters are also full of hope, otherwise why would we bother to act and risk arrest. I am lucky that I am able to take radical action now. I know that all the answers are out there and many people around the world are doing what needs to be done and they are ready and able to help the rest of us. Keep up the good work Roger and everyone else :)
I feel like you. I am part of this movement in Germany. Without XR I would fall in deep drepression. However, scientific facts are quite clear. We need to be very quick.
If we depend on the hope of others, we're living in false hope, Henry Fisher.
'I don't want you to hope, I want you to panic!' - Greta Thunberg
@@dirkcampbell5847 Of course I agree. Politicians should be panicking. The 1% should be panicking. Many people should be panicking. I did my panicking years ago, I did my permaculture design course, I've done lots of research, and I've made the change to be a small organic farmer. This winter I'm not going to panic about the declining bee population - I'm going to buy some wood and build some more beehives. Many of us also need to continue to have hope and to continue our actions to live in more environmentally sustainable ways and to support others to discover how they can do likewise. I don't know. It's difficult to have these kinds of discussions in the comments section under a video... :/
@@orchardyhaven You'll need to protect the bees from verroa, foul brood and colony collapse syndrome. Don't take the honey. Best of luck.
I just came back to watch this absolutely riveting, stunning talk. Roger is such a badass in telling the truth. His argument is irrefutable.
Truth lol Earth has a natural carbon cycle people!!!!
@@evilchelseasmile7729
Ignorance is curable but absolute arrogant stupidity is malignant.
Get educated and stop making yourself look like an idiot.
AIRBORNE
You know CO2 increase crop yield.
@@kahelpratus1734 Are crop yields going up because of increased CO 2? I hear crop yields are way down.
@Orion Plants require many things. You may as well be shouting how plants love nitrogen. Or how they love sunlight...or water. Crop yields this year are bad. No thanks to CO2.
it is alarming for us who have done our homework.
@Rudiger, The homework you have trouble completing.
Roger Hallum keep going. I am a granny who is crying and is willing to stand in harm's way. I can barely listen to this interviewer.
@@towerfarm1973 Was Jesus or Ghandi a fool?
@Mark Harding I wonder what causes such blatant rudeness.
Stop flying, driving. Stop using air conditioning, and stop buying anything new (re-use old things instead). Repair things rather than tossing them in the garbage and buying a new one.
@@towerfarm1973 You fool
Thank you. I wish my grandmother would be like you.
"Can't fly, can't drive a petrol car and can't heat their homes with gas." He makes it sound like that's totally impossible, and loads his voice with emotion. OK, well I pretty much do all of those things already, and I know a lot of other people who have solar, use public transport a bike or have a hybrid car and who don't or rarely fly. I also know a fair few vegetarians and one of my colleagues is a vegan. I'm not quite sure what the problem is.
Millennials and gen z can't even afford to fly at this point most of the time lmao
Then look around bit further afield: the problem is.... that you and your acquaintances are a tiny minority. Not until everyone, or at least the vast majority, are prepared to give these things up will any progress be made
6 months after this interview, New South Wales, Australia burned to the ground, Wonder what theyll vote next time. Roger, excellently done.
Hmm, tis very interesting seeing two radicals trying to communicate with each other. One is saying that business, as usual, will be fine and the other is like "Business, as usual, will end and it will end violently and bloodily".
No, one is saying humanity will go extinct and one is saying it won't be THAT bad.
It is going to be horrible, but it isn't a choice between dying or shutting down our economic and political systems.
It's a choice between shutting down our systems or an increase in natural disasters.
We aren't going to solve this problem by turning off the energy grid and living like cavemen. We need to build lots and lots of expensive new technology (most of which we probably haven't discovered yet)
Arrrgh! THis "journalist" just doesn't get it, does he?! What a classic case of media propaganda! You guys are very courageous. THank you for bringing real news to the forefront. THank you for fighting.
Let's make sure we all actively support the Global Climate Strike on 20 September.
I am still half of the video, but (No spoiler please) , I was asking my self really hard if the journalist will ask at least one clever question lol
He thinks he is clever. The missing link is empathy for even his kids.
10,000 years ago there were 5 million humans on an Earthly paradise - that was about the right amount. Now we are over 1000 times too many and we have ruined the planet.
THAT was AMAZING, Roger!
despite the interviewers insane questioning, Roger handled himself very well and got his point across.
Thanks Roger for making things so clear.
Thank you Roger for telling it as it is.
No
I am watching this and sympathizing with Extinction Rebellion. My personal view is that it is admirable that there are people that are trying to engage in the current situation. Unfortunately, based on statistical evidence Humanity will not change nor avert from the current trajectory due to the fact that there is not enough. Empathetic awareness in the mass of humanity to make a change. The historical evidence indicates that there will be a massive collapse, and there really isn't anything that individuals alone can do about this fact. I have come to accept the situation and realize that I can only make changes at a local level. There is no use in discussing with these Elite Talking Heads about the current situation. What will happen will happen. Once the collapse occurs then people will consolidate locally and proceed in that direction, if the world is not so bad off that it will totally wipe out Humanity.
If we don't STOP GROWING, it's over.
Depends what you mean by growth. You sound like a capitalist, who means growing economic profit.
@@randomuser529 That's what you think! :)
Look dumbass, humanity has been on the planet for approx 6 million years! 99.9% of our existence was without a monetary system, nor a government, and the method of production was held by the people. And guess what ... we are still here to talk about it, because that is the closest thing to Communism that we have ever had!
SO let's recap! 6 million years of Communism, compared to what? ... 300-500 years of capitalism, and under capitalism, everything is now in free-fall decline!
th-cam.com/video/p76YZUOlcIc/w-d-xo.html
Slavery exists in the here and now! It exists under all exploitative systems; like capitalism, and capitalism's father, feudalism as well! Too bad you can't see how you have been brainwashed, fool! I continually ask myself, why can't minions like you see? Why are you so in love with your chains?! You seem to have no problem with the golden butt scratchers of the rich elite oligarch LOL You'll lube and bend over for them and put a smile on your face when they tell you to! LMFAO :) The capitalists need minions like you, so that they can keep sitting on their asses, while you pay for their existence (quite well I might add too). Communist dictators HA! You don't even know what Communism even is! Communism is NO government, NO monetary system, and the method of production is held by the people. Go get a fkn education and come back and talk to me then.
Try listening to this guy. Sadly he died a few years back. A brilliant way to look at statistics. th-cam.com/video/fTznEIZRkLg/w-d-xo.html
@@sr.b8002 Nice to see a bit of realism injected into the discussion. Great link. Thank you.
Nice to see Roger Hallam being interviewed by Alan Partridge
You could say that in Venezuela we already deal with this problem: there are no industries, there are no livestock, agriculture, etc. :) we are in the future, and it is painful. prepare people
But I'm a fat and dumba55 American. And nothing can ruin my comfort zone, not even climate change or resource depletion.
Socialism? Bahahaha. It has nothing to do with socialism but more to do with a currency war between the US and Venezuela. Oil prices plummeted, causing them to lose their currency's value, which was pegged to their oil supply. Not only that, but clear evidence that we launced a EMT on them to shut off their power supply and "blame" it on socialism. sure socialism didn't help since socialism is very resource intensive and wealth draining, but you cannot deny that even capitalism will meet its demise when faced with runaway climate change, since growing food will become more difficult when floods and droughts are occurring and since civilization is based on agriculture, with secondary and tertiary services being reliant on the production of food.
If food becomes more expensive, people will naturally spend less on services and goodies and spend most of their income on food.
The commodities bubble was a prime factor that caused the housing bubble. When physical assets became expensive, people took out loans to continue to live in their houses. The loans couldn't be repaid and so the housing market crashed.
@@NashHinton I think you are fishing in a pool with my comment, which obvious, did not understand the irony
@@travelbugse2829 cállese niño
@@NashHinton Socialism and capitalism is at the center of its core the same, a prison
Animal AG- destroying everything- 🥵
Go vegan, people!!
Sacker is totally predictable. Always defending elite failure.
Yeah, its actually the failure of capitalism itself.
Not at all he is paid to ask questions. If he didn't he would be accused of a weak interview. He asked questions that gave hallam the chance to make the points he wanted the sceptics to hear.
@@BSchangerJournalism is not splitting the difference between the acivists and deniers. But getting to the truth. He nods to science but is not open to explore the massive implications of it...
He is ELITE ! King Edward Grammar, Emmanuel College, then JFK HARVARD.
old school ignation boys...protect...old school boy-lovers......
GLOBAL WARMING will not stop until we get rid of the VATICAN. Its Pedo rings, and vested interest$ in Rot$child owned oil,coal,gas......Jesus= a MYTH, to replace /hide Attis. @GALLI
What is elite and capitalism failure and what are the alternatives? Do you live in the slums of India using cow pats to cook and heat your recycled tin slats dwelling? How has capitalism failed you personally? Are you hoping the New World Order will provide everything for you so you don't have to work? Is this what everyone thinks will be the reality? The NWO will own your ass with no room for dissent that you have on youtube et al.
I'd just like to make the point that the interviewer did an excellent job. By asking tough questions and playing devil's advocate he gives the interviewee chance to show his metal. The message comes across far more clearly and powerful when set in an adversarial context. If the guy had no substance it would be obvious straight away. People will take his argument much more seriously if they can see it stands up against tough questioning.
Well observed
All interviews pretend they are the dispassionate ones, standing at the sidelines and not taking sides. Too many are neither, though they do draw a line and have taken a side,
We must fight, break out this matrix.......
Love and peace neo
Excellently put Roger, you destroy the guy with your argumentation. Come on Roger !
Words, such as "destroy", especially in the context of a media interview, are extremely unhelpful. It is a form of thinking in extremes - presumably born out of the videogame culture.
Same way telling someone you don't know what is right or wrong about semantics.
@@tucomax The way one speaks informs the way one thinks and vice versa.
@@flyby2300 you speak like someone giving an unsolicited piece of advice... Apply your rules to yourself first and then accuse me of video-gamer.
@@tucomax The purpose of a media interview is to inform and influence people - positively.
Would you agree that destroying people defeats the purpose?
Speak the way you think. Else, don't.
Roger: "This is coming...something drastic has to happen..." and now we have covid 19.
Great stuff! Cant believe we have been fooled for so long! Its time to get rid of these elites and Save ourselves
I don't know if he's going too far or not, but his proposed actions are much closer to the appropriate extent compared to the measures that are being implemented right now.
@@laurencevanhelsuwe3052 It sure seems like it... Here in Germany there is a big discussion if meat should be excluded from the reduced tax, and in a few months after a long and complicated process they will decide. It's a joke. I don't even know if the politicians are to blame for that, the whole system is just super slow. I'm really starting to doubt if there is a democratic solution at all... It's crazy.
The Earth will shrug us off and begin again as it always has done.
Garry Harriman : if people go extinct and there is nobody left to keep the 400 and some nuclear reactors in the world cool they will all melt down and that will be the end of all life for billions of years ☢️☢️☢️☢️☢️☢️
@@joyfullone3968 Yes, but it will all begin again, just as it has before. Human beings need culling, too many of us and not enough resources to support a projected 9 billion.
Garry Harriman : yes the culling will get into full swing anytime now. I hope when life comes back it will be just animals and plants!
Well done Roger, can't watch main stream media any more. We are totally screwed
I am a long-time activist and have written a book about the Stonewall Uprising and am working on another book having to do with LGBT history, and I think this is the most beautiful and inspiring movement I have ever heard about. I hope Extinction Rebellion can stick to its principles and its idealism. If so, I think this could be the most important political movement in history. One thing that I find so exciting about it is that it has the potential to unite everyone around the world. May God bless and guide Extinction Rebellion!
Contact me at xr. Let's have a chat