Okay, so this is going to be a little dark, but if I were to pour oil on someone I didn't want to escape and tell them if they run I'm going to set them on fire and then they run so I keep my word, could I use Control Flames to extinguish those flames before it kills them or use it to keep like a fire hovering close to them and ready to ignite if they try again? Not trying to be a murder hobo or anything, but the last time we tied up an Assassin and they got out of their ropes, the Bard got stabbed.
Hmmm, I wonder if a fire dragon's breath weapon would count as a non-magical flame. If that were the case, this could easily be used to either divert/block such an attack or even reflect it back at the dragon. Saying that though, I am pretty much just beginning to get a grip on D&D to prepare for my first session (isn't my first time playing a roleplaying game like this though, so I am not a complete noob), so it's likely I am overlooking something. Alternatively, one could easily use this cantrip as a tool of distraction, as a way of making torches more effective, in case you need to light up a larger area or perhaps even as a tool for blinding a whole group of enemies.
Sadly this spell would have a hard time dealing with dragons breath. Firstly I'm 90% sure that it's technically considered magical, also since Control Flame is an action you wouldn't really be able to use it effectively while in initiative. You do bring up an interesting point though, what if you were faces with several flame throwing traps? Under these circumstances you could do some crazy cool stuff haha!
@@ChancesSpellbook Does dragon's breath deal magical fire damage? Does the dm roll for a ranged spell attack? I don't think a dragonborn's acid breath is magical. Because in my understanding of dragons, they have fuel and an ignition as part of their biology, which means it's not magical. But that ignores the main problem: I'm pretty sure a large dragon's flame breath is larger than a 5ft cube :(
I used it to make the face of a demon appear in a camp fire while the cleric used thaumaturgy which commanded an evil wizard to better himself. it failed for us but it could help maybe others.
I feel like Control Flames suffers from a lot of the same problems that Gust suffers from: while it's a neat cantrip, other cantrips tend to be just as good while having more utility elsewhere. Still, if the concept works great for your character, that's the only thing that *really* matters, but the game master might have to give your character a little help being as cool as he can be.
A troll I fought was close to a campfire I asked my Dm if I can make the flame 2 circled flames around the troll and connect back to the fire itself to keep going and trap the troll where he can’t move. Neither of us were sure on if it was an accurate way to use it. The troll had to roll a dex save to be able to move but it failed the dex save and it got a burn d4 burn. So was I right to use control flame in a trap/cage like way?
Would it work with a Dragonborn breath weapon as it is non magic if you were to say something like “ before the fire expands past 5 feet” or is the cone just considered instantaneous?
@@biiill5259 Not really. We don't count as a fuel source. Magical flames don't ignite something that's being worn or carried, so obviously can't ignite people themselves.
@@ChancesSpellbook I would count Dragonborn breath as magical flame. It's not generated by a spell, but it is a magical effect. Edit - I consider the breath itself magical, but secondary fires it starts wouldn't be.
Since it just says the word fuel, it implies that the new fuel doesn't need to have the same burning temp. as the source flame. That said, you could easily use this cantrip, and a torch to light gas on fire, or even scarier, metal such as phosphorus, or manganese. Or you be an arson and spread fire from your torch to a near by building.
I'm currently thinking of a sorcerer with subtle metamagic to cast control spells like suggestion without getting caught. U can use subtle control flames to make enemies believe you are much stronger then you really are.
How about using this to extend the range of a lantern of revealing? It's up to the dm if the flame is magic or the lens of the lantern is... But I'd allow it because creative uses are awesome!
"You can: move the fire 5ft (so ling as fuel is present)" Um, I'd rather not burn my chinese friend every time I try this ^^' On a serious note, though, this cantrip absolutely implies that you can't do any damage. It says you _can't_ expand the flame _unless_ there's something flammable to spread it to. And even if your dm lets you do damage, I 1d8 is a bit much. I don't see how this small, very short lasting line of fire deal as much damage as being in the centre of a 5ft cube (create bonfire) If I were dm, I'd only allow it to do 1d4, if any damage at all. Maybe 1d2. (I know it doesn't exist, just flip a coin).
if you have fire in a 5 ft square, then move that fire to fill another 5 ft square, how is that not the same damage as create bonfire? The only difference is it's not magical like create bonfire is.
@@KaitouKaiju Easy. This does not in fact fill a 5ft square, let alone 2. If you're holding a lit torch 5ft away from an unlit one, you can use this to light it.
If it consumes fuel then it literally does damage to the fuel. Paper, wood, cloth, oil, coal, straw, etc is all damaged by fire. The very words imply damage. Setting a creature on fire? No. Setting their cloak on fire? Yes. Then as their clothes are on fire they would take damage. Maybe on a dex save? Hair would be singed too.
@@ChancesSpellbook Good. I always get the two confused. Glad to see you do care...some people are afraid to admit that they're using those programs. You earned a sub for that.
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Okay, so this is going to be a little dark, but if I were to pour oil on someone I didn't want to escape and tell them if they run I'm going to set them on fire and then they run so I keep my word, could I use Control Flames to extinguish those flames before it kills them or use it to keep like a fire hovering close to them and ready to ignite if they try again? Not trying to be a murder hobo or anything, but the last time we tied up an Assassin and they got out of their ropes, the Bard got stabbed.
That's one creative way to use it! I'd consider it to be an effective means of convincing people to talk haha!
You can possibly burn a message into a piece of wood or something
Ahhh very interesting idea!
Hmmm, I wonder if a fire dragon's breath weapon would count as a non-magical flame. If that were the case, this could easily be used to either divert/block such an attack or even reflect it back at the dragon. Saying that though, I am pretty much just beginning to get a grip on D&D to prepare for my first session (isn't my first time playing a roleplaying game like this though, so I am not a complete noob), so it's likely I am overlooking something.
Alternatively, one could easily use this cantrip as a tool of distraction, as a way of making torches more effective, in case you need to light up a larger area or perhaps even as a tool for blinding a whole group of enemies.
Sadly this spell would have a hard time dealing with dragons breath. Firstly I'm 90% sure that it's technically considered magical, also since Control Flame is an action you wouldn't really be able to use it effectively while in initiative.
You do bring up an interesting point though, what if you were faces with several flame throwing traps? Under these circumstances you could do some crazy cool stuff haha!
@@ChancesSpellbook Does dragon's breath deal magical fire damage? Does the dm roll for a ranged spell attack? I don't think a dragonborn's acid breath is magical.
Because in my understanding of dragons, they have fuel and an ignition as part of their biology, which means it's not magical.
But that ignores the main problem: I'm pretty sure a large dragon's flame breath is larger than a 5ft cube :(
tell tales arround a campfire by making fire shadow-puppets
like an old animated movie haha
I absolutely love this spell!! Soooo many applications
Some people just want to watch the world burn, and with snap of my fingers now I can.
"soon my pet, I will feed you the world" haha
I used it to make the face of a demon appear in a camp fire while the cleric used thaumaturgy which commanded an evil wizard to better himself. it failed for us but it could help maybe others.
Very nice use!
Does this work on fire Gensai can I dull them down for stealth reasons 🤔
I feel like Control Flames suffers from a lot of the same problems that Gust suffers from: while it's a neat cantrip, other cantrips tend to be just as good while having more utility elsewhere. Still, if the concept works great for your character, that's the only thing that *really* matters, but the game master might have to give your character a little help being as cool as he can be.
To be fair, I feel like there's a ton of utility to Control Flame. It's biggest, selling point is that it's cool!
A troll I fought was close to a campfire I asked my Dm if I can make the flame 2 circled flames around the troll and connect back to the fire itself to keep going and trap the troll where he can’t move. Neither of us were sure on if it was an accurate way to use it. The troll had to roll a dex save to be able to move but it failed the dex save and it got a burn d4 burn. So was I right to use control flame in a trap/cage like way?
use it to scare your foes
see some goblins around a fire make a lion form in the flames and attack them
Haha nice idea!
Would it work with a Dragonborn breath weapon as it is non magic if you were to say something like “ before the fire expands past 5 feet” or is the cone just considered instantaneous?
I would allow it to be considered non-magical, however it is instantaneous!
But you're only allowed to spread the flame onto something flammable
The Hidden Ninja people are flammable
@@biiill5259 Not really. We don't count as a fuel source.
Magical flames don't ignite something that's being worn or carried, so obviously can't ignite people themselves.
@@ChancesSpellbook I would count Dragonborn breath as magical flame. It's not generated by a spell, but it is a magical effect.
Edit - I consider the breath itself magical, but secondary fires it starts wouldn't be.
Since it just says the word fuel, it implies that the new fuel doesn't need to have the same burning temp. as the source flame. That said, you could easily use this cantrip, and a torch to light gas on fire, or even scarier, metal such as phosphorus, or manganese. Or you be an arson and spread fire from your torch to a near by building.
Haha I like your style!
I'm currently thinking of a sorcerer with subtle metamagic to cast control spells like suggestion without getting caught. U can use subtle control flames to make enemies believe you are much stronger then you really are.
How about using this to extend the range of a lantern of revealing? It's up to the dm if the flame is magic or the lens of the lantern is... But I'd allow it because creative uses are awesome!
Haha I love the RULE OF COOL!
"You can: move the fire 5ft (so ling as fuel is present)"
Um, I'd rather not burn my chinese friend every time I try this ^^'
On a serious note, though, this cantrip absolutely implies that you can't do any damage. It says you _can't_ expand the flame _unless_ there's something flammable to spread it to.
And even if your dm lets you do damage, I 1d8 is a bit much. I don't see how this small, very short lasting line of fire deal as much damage as being in the centre of a 5ft cube (create bonfire)
If I were dm, I'd only allow it to do 1d4, if any damage at all. Maybe 1d2. (I know it doesn't exist, just flip a coin).
Haha to each their own, I've actually been using it recently for demolition purposes!
if you have fire in a 5 ft square, then move that fire to fill another 5 ft square, how is that not the same damage as create bonfire? The only difference is it's not magical like create bonfire is.
@@KaitouKaiju Easy.
This does not in fact fill a 5ft square, let alone 2.
If you're holding a lit torch 5ft away from an unlit one, you can use this to light it.
If it consumes fuel then it literally does damage to the fuel. Paper, wood, cloth, oil, coal, straw, etc is all damaged by fire. The very words imply damage. Setting a creature on fire? No. Setting their cloak on fire? Yes. Then as their clothes are on fire they would take damage. Maybe on a dex save? Hair would be singed too.
I made a fire genasi wildfire druid for Tomb of Annihilation
Produce Flame + Control Flames + a spirit literally made of fire
You do the math!
You're using Doodly. At least acknowledge/credit the software...otherwise people will think that you did it yourself.
Fair point, although I'm actually using VideoScribe. I added it to my about page, I've been asked about it a bit in the past as well.
@@ChancesSpellbook Good. I always get the two confused. Glad to see you do care...some people are afraid to admit that they're using those programs. You earned a sub for that.
@@SodaPopBarbecue Much appreciated! Should this channel ever take off I'm planning on going back to school for animation and really step up my game!
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Haha That's one way to look at it!
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