How Much Do People Know About LGBT History?

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  • How much do people know about LGBT History in the UK? I took to the streets to find out as I had strangers try to guess the dates on an LGBT timeline!
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    1. What year were the Stonewall Riots?
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?
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    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in the UK?
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?
    8. What year did the UK Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    9. Section 28 was a clause put into place that prohibited the "promotion of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship" - essentially preventing it from being discussed in UK schools. What year was Section 28 repealed?
    10. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being gay as a mental or behavioural illness?
    11. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being trans as a mental or behavioural illness?
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  • @HeyRowanEllis
    @HeyRowanEllis  5 ปีที่แล้ว +245

    what are your guesses before watching?
    1. What year were the Stonewall Riots?
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?
    3. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of sexuality?
    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in the UK?
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?
    8. What year did the UK Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    9. Section 28 was a clause put into place that prohibited the "promotion of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship" - essentially preventing it from being discussed in UK schools. What year was Section 28 repealed?
    10. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being gay as a mental or behavioural illness?
    11. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being trans as a mental or behavioural illness?

    • @patrickgillespie5506
      @patrickgillespie5506 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Rowan Ellis
      1. I knew 1969
      7. I was pretty sure it was still banned to at least an extent
      10 & 11 I got the decades right
      It would be awesome to see one of these about US history too, though I realize it’s a little less practical

    • @joeyisdrowning9254
      @joeyisdrowning9254 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      1. 1969
      2. 198...2?
      3. 2002 (I was born in 2002 so I'm pretty sure)
      4. 2011?
      5. 2001
      6. It isn't yet
      7. It isn't yet
      8. 2017?
      9. 2003
      10. 1992
      11. 2019 (like a few months ago)

    • @AJ-zk1ms
      @AJ-zk1ms 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      1. What year were the Stonewall Riots?
      July 1969
      2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?the 80's ?
      4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
      2014?
      6. When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
      90's
      7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?I don't think they can yet
      I don't know the others whops

    • @vickykourbatova5433
      @vickykourbatova5433 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      1. 1969
      2. 1974
      3. 1995
      4. 2008
      5.1990
      6. 2013
      7. 2016
      8. 1985
      9. 2001
      10. 1989
      11. 2010
      (To be fair I'm American, so for a few of those I knew the dates for the US but not the UK. Time to see how I did!)
      EDIT: Only got one right, but 6 more are within 10 years so that's not terrible I guess

    • @IrisMobiel
      @IrisMobiel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My guesses
      1. 1969
      2. 1975
      3. 2012
      4. 2016
      5. 2006
      6. 2006
      7. 2018
      8. 2017
      9. 2008
      10. 2000
      11. 2010

  • @redmadhatter03
    @redmadhatter03 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2145

    That one gay who knew that it's been 50 years since stonewall but still getting the wrong answer because they can't do maths is a mood

    • @firefly24601
      @firefly24601 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      That would be Christel Dee, who has the best hair in the business!!

    • @sallyshoaf9505
      @sallyshoaf9505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What I would have done was count the decade numbers to five and stuck it on the fifth one

    • @hussainbedair7676
      @hussainbedair7676 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ultimate gay

    • @dankattack2405
      @dankattack2405 ปีที่แล้ว

      Typical they.

  • @nerdicorntheshipper2885
    @nerdicorntheshipper2885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +798

    "when was it made illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation?"
    me: *cries in texan*

    • @lillianesusewind4568
      @lillianesusewind4568 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      You don't have this ??????

    • @nerdicorntheshipper2885
      @nerdicorntheshipper2885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      @@lillianesusewind4568 unfortunately not. There are no federal laws protecting against lgbtq discrimination in the workplace. Many states do have laws giving at least some amount of protection, but Texas has none.

    • @nerdicorntheshipper2885
      @nerdicorntheshipper2885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      Some large cities, which are typically more liberal anyways, have city wide laws against it (I know Austin does). But even those are being threatened by the state government

    • @nerdicorntheshipper2885
      @nerdicorntheshipper2885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      It's also legal in the us for business owners to refuse service based on "religious grounds" (aka being homophobic). And I think that in some places, that applies to medical professionals, which is fucked up

    • @Hayden_Cat
      @Hayden_Cat 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Nerdicorn the Shipper wtf is a doctor discriminates for that they shouldn’t be a doctor

  • @hannavignolo6454
    @hannavignolo6454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +883

    I generally am updated about trans issues but now I feel like a bad ally for not knowing that transness is not considered an illness anymore. But as an old lesbian, I got a lot of the other dates right, at least. Now, I need to study more!

    • @siginotmylastname3969
      @siginotmylastname3969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      You sound like an awesome grandma.

    • @brumtownmiller6130
      @brumtownmiller6130 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Not being rude, why isnt it classed as an illness? I have adhd an thats classed as a medical/mental condition and all that it is, is that i have an abundance of energy, find it really hard to concentrate on most things and sometimes quick to anger.

    • @BayOfWulf
      @BayOfWulf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Ah it’s ok GamGams. I’m glad that you try to research

    • @hannavignolo6454
      @hannavignolo6454 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@bluecannibaleyes Calm down, honey. No need to be a transphobe.

    • @bluecannibaleyes
      @bluecannibaleyes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Calm down, no one’s afraid of these people, Grandma.

  • @grimmjowvsjaggerjack
    @grimmjowvsjaggerjack 5 ปีที่แล้ว +467

    I immediately had all my money on The Son of Spice.

  • @citruslatafolia877
    @citruslatafolia877 5 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    How recent all of these were is shocking

  • @hannahbevan7055
    @hannahbevan7055 5 ปีที่แล้ว +618

    I’m really glad for that man from Northern Ireland pointing out how slow NI has been in the promotion of equal rights for LGBT+ people. People often forget about NI and their draconian laws slip under the radar.
    Hopefully the situation will change soon, as I believe equal marriage will be passed unless the NI government comes together again to stop it. Seeing as the NI government hasn’t been a thing for hundreds of days now, I don’t think that’ll happen.

    • @eypu999
      @eypu999 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      have you seen Derry girls ?

    • @101spacemonkey
      @101spacemonkey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hey I'm from NI
      The brexit deadlock and mess is an issue here. PLUS if we get a government again I wouldnt be surprised if they tried to put restrictions or repeal it unfortunately. It isnt a done deal yet :(

    • @itsmelindseyg
      @itsmelindseyg 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Weirdly republic Ireland decriminalised being gay later but got gay marriage by vote in 2015 (I live here)

    • @alicejade5242
      @alicejade5242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Stormont has been abandoned for nearly two years I think, and I think if Stormont is not up and running again by October 20 something equal marriage and abortion will be legalised. It is honestly quite upsetting look at Northern Ireland as a teenager and think that this is my future, but I think we should all be grateful for the country we live in today as it has definitely improved from the one 20 years ago. There is still a lot of sectarianism and homophobia and rasism but at least there aren't bombs and shootings every day. Look how quickly the world changed with the right people and the right attitude. Although I wasn't alive then, when people talk about the Good Friday Agreement they seem filled with hope and joy. We don't have that now, we have Boris Johnson and Arlene Foster. We have people who walk away from their problems instead of fixing them, but everything is crumbling slowly soon it will collapse and we'll have to rebuild.....
      Sorry that was so long lol!

    • @Hayden_Cat
      @Hayden_Cat 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lisa Nicholl woah awesome

  • @MatoWako
    @MatoWako 5 ปีที่แล้ว +440

    Thanks for this, super informative. Here in Canada men who have sex with men are also forbidden from donating blood for three months after having sex with a man. This ban was indefinite until 2013, was five years until 2016 and then one year until a change earlier this year. Trans women who have not undergone a lower gender affirming surgery count are viewed as men by Canadian Blood Services (CBS) for the purposes of the bans. All of this is made even more disgusting because of how much of their budget CBS puts towards advertising the need for blood, while simultaneously rejecting and mistreating willing donors for bigoted reasons

    • @drummersherring5163
      @drummersherring5163 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Similar situation here in Germany.

    • @amelialately
      @amelialately 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      In Sweden, men have to Wait a year after they’ve had sex with another man before they can donate blood, even if you’ve been monogamous for years
      After a /new/ female partner the wait is 3 months...

    • @melc-f7983
      @melc-f7983 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Im in Quebec and last year i had to stop donating for a medical reason and for six months i still got calls asking me to donate. This sort of situation must be so bad if you've donated before but then you slept with another dude

    • @sofiarv8414
      @sofiarv8414 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In Brazil men who have sex with men still cant donate blood at all (idk wether it aplies to all man or only cis ones)

    • @anzaia2164
      @anzaia2164 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Just men? That's double the bullshit.

  • @kohhna
    @kohhna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    I love that theres a Northern Irish guy in the video going "well, actually if you count us all the dates need to be pushed forwards by a good bit, in fact we're still waiting for some of this stuff."

  • @eiqhties1140
    @eiqhties1140 5 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    so glad that there’s a northern irish man on this, so sick of people yelling abt how progressive the uk is when northern ireland still doesnt have gay marriage (or abortion). moving to eng has really opened my eyes abt how oblivious and ill informed people really are on these things

  • @victoriavanderspek8599
    @victoriavanderspek8599 5 ปีที่แล้ว +242

    When a quiz on LGBT rights becomes a game of "Does this English person remember the North of Ireland"

    • @reinisesenbergs8312
      @reinisesenbergs8312 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because they always forget it ok as of late they remember because of the backstop.

    • @Ozma2
      @Ozma2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Northern Ireland isn't the north of Ireland, it can be a touchy subject with them both so it's important to make sure it's right

  • @satansenpai383
    @satansenpai383 5 ปีที่แล้ว +247

    Wow, you know the US is behind when most of your answers for these in your country is "it wasn't"

    • @bluecannibaleyes
      @bluecannibaleyes 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Don’t worry, we’re quickly becoming a not-serious country.

    • @sarahl3721
      @sarahl3721 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@bluecannibaleyes I'm not sure anyone was expecting USA to be ahead to be fair ;P

    • @whosjuno6992
      @whosjuno6992 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Cenna Noble I know how you feel I’m in Australia and gay marriage was only made legal last year

    • @theneekofficial8829
      @theneekofficial8829 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I Quit It wasn’t just made legal in 2019, it was made legal in around 2017 i believe, as i remember me and my friends celebrating it in school and remember what year i was in that time.

    • @myra0224
      @myra0224 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@whosjuno6992 I feel proud as a Belgian that it was made legal second after The Netherlands... Yet there's still so little understanding and so much hate and violence towards same-sex couples 😔

  • @geekwithglasses2897
    @geekwithglasses2897 5 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    I’m using this video when I create my LGBTQ+ club at school

    • @GaH.Hassan
      @GaH.Hassan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's amazing, good on you!

    • @mistressvampyrelover
      @mistressvampyrelover 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      As a queer person myself, as well as raising a trans little boy and a little girl who is still too young to tell us, I have been on the look out for queer history books. I think they might help you as well there is one called "we are everywhere" and one called "50 queers who changed the world" that I have bought so far that are great resources. Both can be found on Amazon. If you are in a situation were you can I would suggest checking them out.

    • @geekwithglasses2897
      @geekwithglasses2897 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Master_Vampyre
      Thank you so much

    • @sarahl3721
      @sarahl3721 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@geekwithglasses2897 Good luck!

    • @13gudadod
      @13gudadod 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      same

  • @siginotmylastname3969
    @siginotmylastname3969 5 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    I just realised something I'd like to add. The UK has also backtracked on any consideration of legally recognising non binary people, which affects our legal rights. It's hard to think you're protected from discrimination when the reason for that discrimination isn't recognised in law at all. This also means we can't get married as our actual genders. Although I think civil partnerships don't do this. And for trans people in general, in order to get married as your actual gender requires getting a gender recognition certificate, which I kid you not requires a panel of probably cis people to decide if you're trans enough and you to have had surgery(also a large fee) . This is why the vast majority of trans people don't apply for GRC's, and so can't get married as their actual genders.

  • @elenadesentis3528
    @elenadesentis3528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +468

    "i can't do maths" that's so gay of them

  • @miaththered
    @miaththered 5 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    So 1969 (Stonewall), 1992 (WHO) and literally this year (WHO again). Only ones I knew.

  • @nadiar.4638
    @nadiar.4638 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I've been diving into a lot of videos from people of the LGBTQ+ community the last week. It has shown me so much about how we need to change our schools (I teach biology in the Netherlands). I always thought I was pretty open about LGBTQ+ during my classes, but turns out I missed so many seemingly simple things that should obviously be taught in school. But it just never crossed my mind. So I am definity going to discuss this in our biology group and I will probably use this timeline concept in my classes ❤

  • @hlouisbli6687
    @hlouisbli6687 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    We need Rowan to write us an in depth LGBT history book

  • @bunnyfeng4635
    @bunnyfeng4635 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    "I feel like a really bad gay" (15:56) is a mood.

  • @bills-beard
    @bills-beard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This was such a well-structured, well presented and well-researched video. The Format was especially enjoyable, considering the tonal implications of the subject matter. Definitely sharing

  • @bcheeseey
    @bcheeseey 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    christel dee! It's christel dee! From the Doctor Who fan show! Christel dee! :DD

    • @sonmihae-joo6286
      @sonmihae-joo6286 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      thank you for the info ^^
      PS : love your profile picture :)

    • @FlauFly
      @FlauFly 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, I recognize her. What a coincidence ^^

    • @SunniestAutumn
      @SunniestAutumn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      From the Five Who Fans?!

    • @bcheeseey
      @bcheeseey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SunniestAutumn yeah!

  • @TAK-yj4hj
    @TAK-yj4hj 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I really like that bear. Not only is he cute but also really smart

  • @LeeJuniper
    @LeeJuniper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude, whenever you said "Very recently shamefully so" Whoever you are, you brought me to tears. Thanks, just thank you, thank you, thank you!

  • @elisasevergnini1846
    @elisasevergnini1846 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The one i was surprised of the most is the declassification of being trans as a mental ilness. I thought i kept up to date with what's happening but I apparently forgot about it. I really need to do more.
    Also thank you because I knew some dates about the US legislation but almost nothing about them in my country, Italy, which prompted me to research more about it

  • @rebeccah2662
    @rebeccah2662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I just did an essay on lgbt history in the UK and everything has completely left my brain lol

  • @ghostfrequencies
    @ghostfrequencies 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    this is such a great video, i'm so glad you made sure to emphasize that this wasn't to publically shame people for things they didn't know!!!

  • @sharkofjoy
    @sharkofjoy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I avoided this video for a bit because... I don't know, I've been hurt before by channels I really liked, but I felt my trepidation fall away when you reassured us that this would not be aimed at embarrassing people. I really enjoyed this activity, and I think I could have watched an even longer cut of the participants working through their process and associations with words and dates. Also I learned a lot! Thank you!

  • @Bricolage-ph
    @Bricolage-ph 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Great video, learned a lot. Makes me wonder even more about the LGBT history of my own country.

  • @Archangl
    @Archangl 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really appreciate how you went about this, with an air of hoping to educate and enlighten folks in a non-imposing, non-ridiculing way. We need more people everywhere like this.

  • @kaialietetreault8909
    @kaialietetreault8909 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "The entirety of uk or just England and Wales?"
    (some) Americans: *"What's The difference?"*

  • @kaicannon5866
    @kaicannon5866 5 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    is anyone else really depressed now?

    • @gracjanlekston134
      @gracjanlekston134 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Should we be depressed? I think we should celebrate how far we have come in recent years and how few things are left to be done in the UK (in legal terms). We reached a point were we can complain about lack of representation in movies and have a chance of that actually changing that.

    • @bi_beans9011
      @bi_beans9011 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always

  • @CuddIebone
    @CuddIebone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    God I wish I was that guy in the white t-shirt who thought we've been treated as normal humans for decades

  • @GHOST-in-the-MACHINE
    @GHOST-in-the-MACHINE 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Spice Girls shirt person and the shaved sides glasses person are..... cute af 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @arisymphony
    @arisymphony 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    On most of the legislative things y'all are doing well better than the US. It's still legal to be fired or denied housing in much of the country for being LGB+ or for being transgender. It's also still very medicalized and having sex other than P-V is still illegal in some states. And men who have sex with men still can't donate blood for a FULL YEAR post sexual activity.

    • @TimeConvolution
      @TimeConvolution 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If I remember correctly Michigan's beastiality and sodomy law outlaws even oral sex if interpreted textually

    • @cicidiaries
      @cicidiaries 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could you elaborate more or link me to a site about the laws that make other kinds of sex illegal? I tried looking it up but I couldn't find anything

    • @thisisdum123
      @thisisdum123 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Don't drop the T in LGBT

    • @TimeConvolution
      @TimeConvolution 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cicidiaries it is unconstitutional and unenforceable language included in an animal abuse bill known as Logan's law

  • @nataliebeck9601
    @nataliebeck9601 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Love this video! What a great idea, even being gay myself I felt sure I knew a lot of these but seeing them altogether in this context is quite shocking and upsetting. The fact that Section 28 was repealed in 2001 in Scotland but it's only now we're beginning to see inclusive education is appalling. I left school in 2008 and never received any information at all on LGBT+ relationships. Thanks for a brilliant video as always Rowan.

  • @teresabarcelo4750
    @teresabarcelo4750 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Speaking of LGBTQIA+ and the World Health Organization: While I couldn't find their opinion on asexuality itself, their statement on sexual health excludes many asexuals. Here is the direct quote:
    "Sexual health is a state of physical, mental and social well-being in relation to sexuality. It requires a positive and respectful approach to sexuality and sexual relationships, as well as the possibility of having pleasurable and safe sexual experiences, free of coercion, discrimination and violence."
    Due to the nature of asexuality, many don't want those kinds of experiences at all. They are not broken or unhealthy in any way for not being open to that possibility.

  • @BryanLeeWilliams
    @BryanLeeWilliams 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Very good video. I was proud to get the non-UK specific stuff. It really upsets me how recently this stuff happened.

  • @hauntedmasc
    @hauntedmasc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is an extremely valuable video for your friends overseas. Thanks Rowan :)

  • @violetbutterfly1026
    @violetbutterfly1026 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    We literally did LGBTQ history trivia in my school’s GSA yesterday
    😯

  • @sarsticus
    @sarsticus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I knew Stonewall, the two WHO. And if I transplant the location to Denmark (where I live), I know homosexuality was decriminalised in 1933, and that it is completely illegal to donate blood if you "as a man have had sexual contact with another man" at all, not just within a certain time period. I didn't know any of the others, for either UK or Denmark

  • @antlersgray
    @antlersgray 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thanks for this video! A fun, informative way to learn some history and spend 17 minutes. Cheers!

  • @quartz3715
    @quartz3715 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You channel is so informative and what i needed in my life .I come from country where being gay is illegal so i was looking to learn more about the history of lgbt.I just wanted to say thank you for making this videos they are helping people like me 💛

  • @BattyButtercup
    @BattyButtercup 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm a general history buff but RUBBISH with remembering dates. for the most part i found this both warming at how shocked people were at how recent so many events were & heartbreaking at how prepared for disappointment others. great video. it really made everyone look human, curious, interested, and keen. great video.

  • @Jawz366
    @Jawz366 5 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    What’s wrong with Northern Ireland?

    • @veggiesnake619
      @veggiesnake619 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Traditional Christian Views. I say this as a homosexual teenager who actually comes from a family of Irish Roman Catholics. My sister and I have broken from the religion, and I'm lucky that I have a far more tolerable family than most. But we live in England, so it's not so deeply ingrained in the community.

    • @munkyzzb7504
      @munkyzzb7504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@veggiesnake619 Is this mostly a Catholic thing or are the protestants as backwards?

    • @munkyzzb7504
      @munkyzzb7504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@veggiesnake619 Oh OK thank you.

    • @Udontkno7
      @Udontkno7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@munkyzzb7504 depends where you live. In the Southern US, Catholics are more liberal. Protestants? Hell no, and that's because most Southern Catholics are people of color.

    • @kerrimckeever2027
      @kerrimckeever2027 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      As someone from NI, people are really accepting I went to a catholic school and we had pride posters and LGBT awareness days, but there’s a certain political party *coughs* DUP, who that everytime a new LGBT inclusive law is trying to be passed, block it, despite it being what the majority of the NI government want AND what the public want, they stop it using a thing called a “petition of concern”, countless times the same sex marriage law has tried to pass but they continually block it

  • @nightowl7221
    @nightowl7221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video was soooo sad for me because of how late these certain dates were, but it was also helpful to learn more about my community.

  • @ChibiRandom13
    @ChibiRandom13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm super bad with dates and know nothing about the UK dates but I knew a few of these for the US, stonewall was in '69, and marriage was legalized in my state in 2014 and 2015 in the US.
    Edit: I also find it so interesting that people are surprised when things like these are recent, and it always reminds me of the people here in the US who say things like, "it's been a long time since racism was a thing." When in reality interracial marriage wasn't legalized until 1967. Which means it's been just over 50 years. Sometimes these same people say, "You can marry now whats the issue" without even realizing that that still isn't true for everyone and don't take into account more than just lesbian and gay identities, such as transgender people.

  • @iciajay6891
    @iciajay6891 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "Canada, equal marriage since 2005"
    Also Canada "Lavender scare."
    Opps.
    In Canada if you are a gay man you need to wait 5 years with no gay sex, to donate blood. Im mean come on.

  • @SaRah-21532
    @SaRah-21532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow I didn't think this video would make me so sad!
    Also it's kind of embarrassing that I knew most of these for the UK but I have no idea when they happened in my country. I should really research that!

  • @kenz1542
    @kenz1542 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    edit: just a piece of advice about the editing, take it or leave it :) i would've given the answers with subtitles as people are guessing so we know right away how wrong or right they, and that way we find out at the same time how right or wrong they were themselves and i think it gives dynamic to the rythm because when you get to 9:20 you don't have in mind everyone's exact answers
    i love your vids keep going
    disclaimer: i'm not british
    1. What year were the Stonewall Riots?
    1968
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?
    1985
    3. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of sexuality?
    2001
    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    2010
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in the UK?
    2003
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
    2011
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?
    1995
    8. What year did the UK Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    1998
    9. Section 28 was a clause put into place that prohibited the "promotion of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship" - essentially preventing it from being discussed in UK schools. What year was Section 28 repealed?
    1994
    10. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being gay as a mental or behavioural illness?
    1981
    11. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being trans as a mental or behavioural illness?
    2000

  • @Muffinmurdurer
    @Muffinmurdurer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The minute Section 28 popped up I yelled out "Fucking Thatcher!"

  • @blorp444
    @blorp444 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for making this video, I am apart of the lgbt community and knew barely any of this. The recent things are truly shocking and disheartening to think about how recent they are! I’m definitely gonna look into more of the history now 💕

  • @egarulastinn7438
    @egarulastinn7438 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    For Poland:
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in Poland?
    It was always legal.
    3. When did it become illegal to discriminate in Polish workplaces on the basis of sexuality?
    1974.
    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in Polish workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    No specific law (illegal to discriminate on any basis since 1997).
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 15 for all sexualities in Poland?
    1948.
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in Poland?
    Hahahahahahhahahah.
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in Poland?
    2005.
    8. What year did the Polish Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    There was never any ban.
    9. Section 28 was a clause put into place that prohibited the "promotion of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship" - essentially preventing it from being discussed in UK schools. What year was Section 28 repealed?
    There was never such law in Poland, or at least I couldn't find any mention of it.

    • @apricot3998
      @apricot3998 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Egaru Lastinn Poland is pretty great

    • @egarulastinn7438
      @egarulastinn7438 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@apricot3998 No it's not. It's one of the least lgbt-friendly countries in Europe (according to "Rainbow Europe" or literally anyone who's ever been here).

  • @elijahnlindaallen383
    @elijahnlindaallen383 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm from The States but I appreciate this information being shared and brought to our attention because it affects the LGBTQA+ community all over. Thank you!

  • @evakviigmoon6093
    @evakviigmoon6093 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    with my lgbtqi+ group at uni we created flyers with a timeline similar to yours for switzerland and we handed them out during the day against trans/homophobia on campus... the reactions about how recent the most of these events/laws/decriminalisation were, were about the same you got from the people who took part of this video. It's a shame that we as a society don't know anything about all of this unless we actively seek out information about it

    • @emmabloom1793
      @emmabloom1793 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh cool! Do you have like a pdf of it or something like that? I'd be interested in it:)

  • @Auxenfreemusic
    @Auxenfreemusic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m Canadian (but currently living in the US) so I don’t know a whole lot about UK LGBT history so this was really interesting to watch

  • @aquasagleo
    @aquasagleo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for this! It made me do research for the dates in Australia.
    Australian answers:
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in Aust?
    (SA 1975; ACT 1976; Vic 1980; NT 1983; NSW 1984; WA 1989; QLD 1991; Aust 1994; Tas 1997)
    3. When did it become illegal to discriminate in Aust workplaces on the basis of sexuality?
    &
    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in Aust workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    (Both: 2013)
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in Aust?
    (WA 2002; NSW, NT 2003; QLD 2016)
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in Aust?
    (2017)
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in Aust?
    (Not yet, still)
    8. What year did the Aust Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    (1992; 2010 for Trans people)
    9. (Alternative) What year was the "Gay panic defence" abolished?
    (In most states it was dismantled from 1997 to 2017 in QLD, with SA still upholding the doctrine)

    • @carebear1470
      @carebear1470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tasmania was 1997? For some reason I thought it was 1993, but 1997?! Wow that's recent.

  • @aliconvoy
    @aliconvoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    It’s Christel Dee!

  • @blueseal1425
    @blueseal1425 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this felt like joining a very interesting history lesson. Great concept with the time line, it was fun to watch, the people seemed all very sympathetic, too. Thank you for educating us and raising awareness!

  • @PocketDeerBoy
    @PocketDeerBoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think what's probably most important about this video is realizing that marriage isn't everything when it comes to lgbt rights; There are often a lot of other hurdles to be crossed, not just legally, but socially as well.

  • @munkyzzb7504
    @munkyzzb7504 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That was very educational it would be cool if you could do an American version. Although I probably wouldn't do much better.

  • @MayCho
    @MayCho 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was such a great video, Rowan, but I think I would have appreciated a stillshot of the participant's answers when discussing the actual answer. Would have been interesting to folliw their thoughts a bit more!

  • @tabbygale5430
    @tabbygale5430 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EDIT: Ouuch. It hurts that everything is more recent than what I thought. I was right on a couple. I should've trusted my instinct on the blood donation thing, I guess I thought it might be different across the pond. I feel a little better because so many of these questtions were about a different country (I live in the U.S.) but a lot of these dates were still very chillingly late.
    Okay Okay. I'm real bad at dates (both kinds)
    What year were the Stonewall Riots?
    I'm gonna go with... 1967. I feel like it was mentioned in a book I read recently about the late sixties. I also feel like it was around Civil Rights era.
    When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?
    What is this UK? If it ain't 'murica, it ain't real. I'll go with... 1970s, maybe 1975?
    When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of sexuality?
    Again, not from the UK, so I'm probably gonna be off, but... 1987, yeah that's a nice random number.
    When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    I wouldn't be surprised if it was still legal. Let's say 1999.
    When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in the UK?
    This is such a weird one to me. Pass, I have no clue. I'd guess late 90s.
    When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
    I'm guessing a little before America, so probably around 2013
    "What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?"
    I'm surprised that that's legal, we aren't allowed to where I live (I don't know if the US does it on a state-by-state basis). I'd guess recently, around 2015?
    What year did the UK Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    I would guess sometime around 2003. That year just sounds right for some reason.
    What year was Section 28 repealed?
    Ahhh I don't know!! probably before you got equal marriage, but after workplace discrimination laws? soooo 2000s.
    What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being gay as a mental or behavioural illness?
    I should really know this one. I'm going to bet on the early 90s, 1992?
    What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being trans as a mental or behavioural illness?
    1999?
    I honestly should know more about this. I wish this stuff was taught in high school, because I don't usually like to spend my free time reading history textbooks. Unfortunately, in our History courses in high school we only learned up to around WWII.

  • @davidabercrombie5427
    @davidabercrombie5427 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I played along and thought I'd do well. But kept tripping up when the question was "...in the UK". Guess I need to pay more attention to things outside my scottish bubble

  • @hollyturner4186
    @hollyturner4186 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Section 28 makes me so angry. I started school in 1995 and finished in 2009, so I was taught nothing about LGBT identities. If I had known bisexuality existed it would have saved a lot of confusion and anxiety.

  • @WoohooliganComedy
    @WoohooliganComedy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks, Rowan! Yeah, Tiffany and I have been openly bi / pan since we've been together around 18 years now, but I didn't know much about Stonewall beyond the name and the general description of police suppression and rioting until I started researching my Gay Pride and Prejudice video I published recently. Before that I might have put it somewhere in the 60s, but probably mostly out of a vague thinking it was part of the civil rights era.

  • @kanalkucker14
    @kanalkucker14 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a great video and it brought me to your channel years ago, thank you for all your great videos, Rowan!

  • @kimorourke9988
    @kimorourke9988 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's hard to know our history when we're not actively taught, and sometimes actually kept ignorant of, some if not all of it!
    I love this video, it's interesting to see everyone learning!

  • @anneprocter
    @anneprocter 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just found your channel through our best gay meercat boys, but your content is great and i will definitely be sticking around!

  • @mathiasjoly753
    @mathiasjoly753 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, this video is so great. I realized I don't know the dates of important milestones for gay rights in my country (France). I want to not only get informed but also pass on this information to my peers. Thank you for inspiring me to spread LGBTQ knowledge.

  • @Strawberry92fs
    @Strawberry92fs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Elder Gays need to write all of their wisdom down and make it freely available to the baby gays. We need some sort of like a living history website that has a big timeline on it and just tons of accounts from Elder Gays of their lives, their stories and experiences.

  • @thefloorislava3486
    @thefloorislava3486 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    So nicely edited. Thank you always Rowan xxx

  • @theleakypen8662
    @theleakypen8662 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a really good and eye-opening video. I really think the lack of intergenerational queer spaces is one of the things contributing to this lack of knowledge, because so many people come up without any community and often feel like they're still having to reinvent the wheel.
    When I was just out of high school, I participated in a film class for queer youth and adults, and for a couple of weeks the city recreation center where we used computers and film editing software made us meet outside instead of in the computer center, because the idea of queer youth and adults behind closed doors together was threatening. That -- thinking that queer adults are inherently threatening to teens and children -- is the sort of queer-antagonism that people don't think about, and this was in 2008!
    I never really had a space like that before or since, where I could interact with both older and younger queers, and that class is still one of the most important formative experiences of my life. We need that for the youth coming up today.

  • @dhritigada5300
    @dhritigada5300 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! The graphics for each event are super cute too!

  • @phoenixjackson7411
    @phoenixjackson7411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also, the fact that no one’s surprised by the trans thing is also super super sad... I honestly thought the USA’s timeline was bad, but this is just... I can’t even put into words how disappointed I was.

  • @louisem688
    @louisem688 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm 17 and helping to set up a GSA type thing at my school and I'm involved in helping change policy around LGBT education and supporting LGBT students. I am hoping to try to get this done as a lesson in PSD class (Personal & Social Development) for at least year 11,12 and 13. Thank you for this, it was really informative. I already knew a few dates but didn't realise how recent some of the others were which is quite distressing as most of the equality laws feel like they should have been a thing decades ago.

  • @marksrfc1
    @marksrfc1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1. What year were the Stonewall Riots? - 1962
    2. When was homosexuality decriminalised in the UK?
    - 1986
    3. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of sexuality? - 1996
    4. When did it become illegal to discriminate in UK workplaces on the basis of being transgender?
    - 2010
    5. When was the age of consent equalised to 16 for all sexualities in the UK?
    - 2002
    6. When did Equal marriage become legal in the UK?
    - 2011
    7. What year were gay and bisexual men freely allowed to donate blood in the UK?
    - 2014
    8. What year did the UK Government lift the ban on lesbians and gay men serving in the Armed Forces?
    - 2001
    9. Section 28 was a clause put into place that prohibited the "promotion of homosexuality as a pretended family relationship" - essentially preventing it from being discussed in UK schools. What year was Section 28 repealed?
    - 1983
    10. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being gay as a mental or behavioural illness? - 2001
    11. What year did the World Health Organisation declassify being trans as a mental or behavioural illness? - 2009
    (im so nervous at looking like a gobshite for most of these im not too sure about british history)

  • @Fien238
    @Fien238 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such an amazing video, well edited, super educational. Well done and thank you

  • @andrineslife
    @andrineslife 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is so interesting, I don't think I could answer these for my country, but I'll definitely look it up!

  • @alstarrmer
    @alstarrmer 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1) 1969 - correct
    2) 1991 - wrong, 1982
    3) 2003 - correct
    4) 2010 - correct
    5) 2003 - wrong, 2008
    6) 2013 (not Northern Ireland) - I should've just put 'no' I guess!
    7) still not legalised - correct
    8) 2007 - wrong, 2016
    9) 2003 - correct
    10) 1991 - wrong, 1992 (close!)
    11) 2019 - correct
    I feel like I did quite well! Although I wish I was wrong about some of these.

  • @nothingtoseehere5606
    @nothingtoseehere5606 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its is very embarrassing how recently some of this is

  • @lucypherr
    @lucypherr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was aware of many of these, but they are still heartbreaking

  • @iko6694
    @iko6694 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think TH-cam knows I'm gay

  • @e.t9403
    @e.t9403 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    12:10 in France it's 12 months not 3 !

    • @spoonietimelordy
      @spoonietimelordy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah that's mind-blowing but true

    • @TheMinniis
      @TheMinniis 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same in Sweden!

    • @AngelOfTheLord67
      @AngelOfTheLord67 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the US, it's in the past year OR if you've had sex with a man fitting that description in the last year. So they're also forbidding any women who are dating bi men.

  • @tomchaney6085
    @tomchaney6085 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I did get tripped up a couple of times by the 'in parts of the UK/ in the whole of the UK' division, but I got the most commonly quoted dates for everything up until the military service and WHO parts. Which I suppose goes to show how easy it can be to forget that just because you have something doesn't mean everybody does

  • @georgiaq6125
    @georgiaq6125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Knew most of the dates for England but forgot that some things weren't decriminalised in other parts of the UK for ages. Had no idea about the armed forces one or the age of consent one, that's really shocking

  • @bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594
    @bicuriousdirtbikeboi2594 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I noticed these are more about UK laws, which I am not versed in. So I will try to answer to US equivalents
    1. 1969
    2. I believe it was the 1960s for the US maybe early 70s
    3. I don’t know if it is illegal
    4.again don’t think it’s illegal
    5. It was always 18 in the us.
    6. For the US June 25, 2015.
    7. Ouch. Still not law in the US
    8. For the US, Don’t Ask Don’t Tell was lifted in 2011
    9. I don’t think there’s a US law outwardly prohibiting teaching about LGBT issues in school. I just know it’s not something we do.
    10. That was sometime in the 1970s
    11. 70s or 80s as well I think.
    So what I learned is we gotta catch up on our anti discrimination laws here in the states.

    • @emmilytheengineer
      @emmilytheengineer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some states like Alabama have laws making it illegal to teach about LGBT issues.

  • @sporesims9303
    @sporesims9303 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here in germany homosexuality (sexual acts between two men) was decriminalized 1994. So somewhere BEFORE 1960 is optimistic, also when you take in mind what happened in WW2.

  • @joeye1772
    @joeye1772 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m glad I know almost all of these for Australia. I did a lot of research when I was younger and was so surprised how many rights I didn’t even have back then. I’m only 23. Anti discrimination laws didn’t come in til I was 17, but these laws still have some holes in them. As a queer teacher, I can still be denied a job in religious schools. My girlfriend would still have to have a surgery she doesn’t want just to be legally recognised as a woman. We’ve come so far, and I’m proud of that, but there’s so many things we still have to fight for.

  • @paradoxacres1063
    @paradoxacres1063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I got almost ALL the answers wrong *:(*

    • @purpleghost106
      @purpleghost106 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But that's okay, because you learned new things! :D Learning things is good.

    • @paradoxacres1063
      @paradoxacres1063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@purpleghost106 True *:)*
      They should _definitely_ teach this at schools, though.

  • @johnclarkson6472
    @johnclarkson6472 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great history lesson; knowing this history is important, how laws and rights we now just accept, were a real hard, long struggle to gain and contributes to Everyones freedom, LGBT+ and straight. I knew bits of this, but also learned a lot. Peace and love to you all.

  • @paulinabringas98
    @paulinabringas98 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Am in love with the gay who can't do maths? Yes I am

  • @milamartial
    @milamartial 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So I got the Stonewall one right but all the other questions were uk-centered so I had to guess by comparing to my country (I did rather okay actually !)
    I was shocked by the fact that it's still not legal to get married everywhere in the UK
    Also, about blood donation, they very recently removed the question about gay male sexual relations in the pre-donation questionnaire in France !!! (2022)

  • @allistair61
    @allistair61 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was nice to see Christel Dee back on TH-cam, Love her sense of humour

  • @kottpotatis
    @kottpotatis 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hooow has more people not watched this video?? this is one of the more educational videos i have ever seen on this topic! your tone is so friendly and approachable and it always feel like a "hey did you know this? no? no worries, ill teach you!" absolutely love it.

  • @athb4hu
    @athb4hu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is really cool. As a gay/bi guy from England who now lives in Hungary, I did pretty badly. I got Stonewall right, and blood transfusions, but I thought decriminalisation was 1967 (forgetting it was partial) and confused the American psychological association taking being gay off the list of mental illnesses in around 1972 (??) wih the WHO. Anyway, I really must do a Hungarian version of this (decrimimalisation in 1961, but as yet I have been unable to find any details of how that happened) and yet still no same-sex marriage.

  • @suziejmm
    @suziejmm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent video Rowan xxx

  • @FLIPPYNMADZ
    @FLIPPYNMADZ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought these were sadly more recent than expected but then I googled Australia and some are worse some are better. This video really made me actually look into it. This history should be taught in schools
    - decriminalised in 1997
    - equalised age of consent 2016
    - military 1992
    - military trans 2010
    - marriage 2017
    - donating blood has a 12 month period for gay and bi men
    Some other things
    - gay panic defence still not abolished nation wide
    - conversion therapy is only banned in 1 state

  • @Dee-pv8cy
    @Dee-pv8cy 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I didn’t know the exact dates, but most of these I got the right area (except I forgot NI lack of marriage equality). I got most of my awareness from watching other videos of yours. I’m going to watch this again with my children. This is important for them to know and even if Section 28 isn’t a thing like it was when I was in school, they aren’t being taught it there.

  • @ismena3635
    @ismena3635 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was a really interesting video! Really enjoyed these people and tbh I didn't know most of these dates at all!

  • @chenashlynx7477
    @chenashlynx7477 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Compared to Italy, the UK is literally another universe. You're light years ahead of us