YES, Sony Picture Profiles DO Change Raw Photos!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- Providing proof that the Gamma setting in Sony Picture Profiles does in fact affect the way Raw images are developed in Lightroom & Capture One.
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Gammagate
😂😂😂😅drama for nerds
LOL
Thank you for covering this info for photography and not just video settings like so many others!
Ur killing it bro. U pass on so much advanced photo/ vid knowledge and I seriously learn something new in every video💪🏼💪🏼
Thanks, Jacob! Means a lot.
Thank you so much for this video. I was doing some tests with my A7iii, and I couldn't figure out why some photos looked different in RAW when playing with picture profiles. After some googling, I was convinced I was going crazy until I found your video. Thanks again!
Just came across your channel recently (due to it featuring in one of Jeven's Q&A videos) and I must say, you are the PERFECT balance of geeky and entertaining.
I love how you go into details about common misconceptions and explain it in a detailed but fun way!! Been catching up on some of your older videos...
but just wanted to say... GREAT WORK GERALD!!!
Thanks so much! Happy you checked out the channel. Appreciate it. Cheers!
so grateful for this channel! I was filming an event in slog3 and switched to stills and was so confused as to why the Lightroom preview was so different from the in camera photo. This was incredibly helpful.
Even though I don't have a Sony camera I still liked to watch this video just to make my brain hurt a little
Haha. Thanks for doing so!
Bertram Photography I don’t shoot stills but watched to the end. 😂
I do have an a6400 and my brain hurts bad also
i really love that this channel covers very niche topics. the info you provide can be found nowhere else
Thanks, Steve! Appreciate it.
I just did some testing on this. So it's interesting - I wouldn't say it "reduces noise" as much as you seem to gain about 2/3 of a stop of light if you shoot in HLG3 Gamma. So essentially your 51,200 ISO goes a little bit further than it would in the stills gamma. I compared my results and the noise is the same at both ISOs when properly exposed, but you have to essentially compensate more in Still than in HLG3.
Awesome find!
Thank you so much for sharing this info 😊❤
thank you for putting so much knowledge on your videos!
Thanks dude. My go to channel for learning everything technical. Shot!
Cheers, Gavin!
Amazing! Thank you so much for doing all the research and presenting it to us!!
Excellent job of making a very complex subject easy to understand.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but what you showed is how I understand that Fujifilm uses their Dynamic Range 200%, 400%, Auto & DR Priority modes. Applying a tone curve to shadows & highlights at different ISO settings.
It’s good for people who shoot JPEG only, using the Cine Gamma for example opens up the shadows and can help avoid crushed blacks. But it comes at a cost to RAW image data being manipulated too.
Great to see it being shown so clearly!
Hey Gerald, your videos are very informative and well thought out, they have definitely helped me get a deeper understanding of my camera. keep up the good work.
Thanks for letting me know that! I'm really glad. Appreciate this.
Kasey really likes your Channel and I do too now. Thanks man I’m subbing you your straight to the point and honest and easy to listen to. Informative and entertaining that’s your value and that’s what I need
Thanks a lot! That's really kind. Happy you subscribed. Look forward to future comments. Cheers!
I wonder how many times I said: "It's exactly the same!" 😜😂
What is the practical use of changing the gamma for stills? Can you please follow up?
I'm not sure at the moment. Personally I've just been using the stills gamma this whole time and been quite happy. Some people are saying you can manipulate it to get a less noisy image, but I haven't tested.
To answer your original question, it is equal to the likes that that comment got...
@@geraldundone Could you test the differences for your next video? Love your content, it's so informative :)
Hey Gerald can you please tell me when Sony raw picture overexposes? What should I set my zebra to like I set it at 107+ for slog2. At zebra does a6500 raw picture reach its clipping point?
Thank you G.U for doing this and getting the message out there
Thanks gerald. Top notch work as per usual! One request for another video since you're smart and noone else seems to have reported this. How much quality difference is it shooting in 4k full frame mode than 4k in super35/crop mode on the a7iii. I cannot find a video or anyone saying their results other than "little to no difference" thank you in advanced and absolutely love your work
Thanks, Jason! Appreciate it. And thanks for the suggestion.
Just when I thought I you had explained it all... You clarify a super important topic!
Now I'm curious about shooting stills in HLG and what zebra setting to use.
Appreciate how you stick to the facts and avoid the assumptions. You got my subscription. Thank you.
Thanks, Robert! Happy to have a new subscriber. Cheers!
New insights for me, thank you very much!
Thanks a ton for this. Very helpful and informative.
Thanks a lot Gerald! This is very helpful and informative video.
Finally found the video I needed, thank you on this solid content 👍🏽
Learn something new every day, right?
Thx for this, Gerald.
Sure do! Thanks for the comment.
Yes, that is very true. Also already did these tests on my own a half year before and I just wondered why many sources say photes would not be influenced by Picture Profiles. So when I was on vacation I had to switch the Picture Profile all the time when I wanted to take photos and when I wanted to record a video. Nice work and comparison here.
Really helpful -- thank you so much for doing this!
Always covering interesting an useful topics! Great work.
Thanks, Alex.
Man you are incredible.
I learn so much by your each and every video.
keep it up.Hope you will blow up soon.
Love from India.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate this comment. Cheers from Canada!
Fascinating. This reminds me of a video I watched by another thorough youtuber who demonstrated that the picture profiles impact the behavior of the in-camera histogram, which indirectly affects the raw file because the shooter adjusts the aperture/shutter/iso settings to manage the change he/she sees on the histogram.
dopamining yes. Some settings actually change the amount the camera itself will meter, so it can have a slight change even though the raw itself won’t.
Literally the video I've been looking for!
The master researcher at it again!
Maybe I missed it, did you mention if these are compressed or uncompressed raw?
I didn't, but they are uncompressed. Good question!
I saw that they are 47 MB and suspected that means no compression. Compressed ones fromy my A7ii are about 25 MB :)
zomgonzo is the raw compression lossy or lossless?
@@tigerheaddude It's lossy-sh :)
It's lossy but if you don't do really extreme editing the loss is negligible IMO.
I don't own a Sony and don't really know anything about what you're talking about, but it was still interesting! Top notch, man.
Haha. Thanks, Bryan!
Thank you for your test
It did help me resolve my confusion
Thanks Gerald. Great video. I noticed the changes in Picture Profiles in Raw too, but I thought I was just nuts! :)
This is great stuff, bro! Thank you!
The world just got undone with this one! Outstanding 🌟🌟🌟
Haha. Thanks, Julio!
This was majorly helpful thank you sir 🙏🏼
Awesome analysis, thank you.
I can confirm this. Gerald saved me after watching this video, after turning off picture profile my photos are so much better now!
That's amazing! I've noticed that it looks funky sometimes, but I've never really bother to test it 😅 thanks for letting us know 🤩🙏 related to the picture profile thing is when you switch between e-shutter. It will display the picture profile when the setting is on. But I don't think that will effect the information.
You are the man! I sincerely appreciate your videos.
This is REALLY great helpful. Thanks!
Cheers! Thank you.
I'm so glad you made this video
Thanks for this video! The best "fix" that I found is to change the camera profile to Camera SH in the Lightroom Develop module.
Now to determine which gamma is "best"...
Did you find out in a year? :) I look for the one gamma which can lower my ISO:)
@@kerembilgin6839 I'm a Fuji boy now 🤣
I was wondering the same thing. Like if I shoot video in HLS or Cine- can I just leave it like that always when I shoot photos too...? Will it just develop differently but ultimately be just as developable?
That will take years 😑
@@chrisperrywv Have you figured it out?
Once again I learned something new. Thnx
Thank YOU for explaining this stuff, I really needed this information. Thank you for this great video :)
You're very welcome! Happy to help. Thanks for the comment.
Hi Gerald thanks for the great video. i've been shooting raw on sony camera's for a while i have the Sony a7iii and the Sony A6600 i just shot a video using these cameras and when i went back to shooting photos i notice that my pictures didn't look the same and i thought it was me. But this week i got a call from one of my clients commenting the the quality didn't look the same. So i went thru all my settings and the only setting that was changed was the picture profile settings but i couldn't prove that was the problem till i came across your video. Thanks again!!
Dude, awesome stuff. I was just explaining to someone the other day how it doesn't matter shooting raw. Guess I was wrong. That's the beauty and frustration of the craft all at once. There's always something new and exciting to learn, but that fact also means we're perpetually ignorant. Thanks for the great content!
Thanks, Eric! I sympathize with that seeing how I was just guilty of it myself. 😃
Thank you, That was more extreme than I would have thought. Good to know.
Such a great channel! Easy subscribe.. thank you for the videos! Super helpful!
Thanks, Jonathon! Appreciate the subscribe. Look forward to future comments!
I used to custom set the PP settings deep in the menu to get my own style of grade or film simulation straight into the raw file. That’s my favourite thing about Sony.
Thank you Sir. Great job!
Brilliant! Nice topic again.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO!!
Thank you so much 😊❤
Thank you for explaining this! Ive been trying to figure out why my photos dont look the same as they do on the back of the camera. I did extensive research on this camera and no one ever mentioned the profile settings dont affect raw photos. :/
Bro this was explained incredibly well! Thanks for the scientific analysis
AAA Quality Content. Thanks a ton!
You just finished my own homework!
I was planning to check if my theory is right.
Literally, you just saved hours of work!
You rock! Always anticipating what your topic is gonna be! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Happy to help! 😃
Thanks for the comment and kind words!
Amazing cheers for this!
:o mind blown. Good info. Thanks!
Legend! Thanks man
Respect for taking an effort to test and investigate it. This is the only proper way for such cases instead of theories on forums.
Maybe it is kinda still shifting ISO value no matter the fixed value? I don't think there is "postprocessing" before recording the raw. Might be the ISO value is recorded wrong with the raw ignoring the shift?
It's possible I suppose that the ISO is treated differently when you use those different gammas and that it makes your setting kind of irrelevant. I'll have to investigate further.
I thought more people knew about this, I figured this out a while ago when seeing if using Slog changed my RAW files (shooting all tests at ISO 800) and when I realized it did weird things to the color I figured the rest of the gamma adjustment profiles did as well
So in what PP did you decide to shoot when shooting RAW? Do you still shoot in the Still gamma (default)?
Take a shot every time he says picture profile. Great video man! Love the explanation
Thank You for this video. Do different gammas have different dynamic range?
Thank you for this
Congrats on 40K. Not a Sony user, but all these years I thought Raw is Raw and nothing changes. The usual great thorough job.
Thanks, Phil! Yeah, I was definitely in the same boat.
Can't sleep..will watch this!
Ha. Sounds good! Thanks, Marvin.
It would be nice to make a video about video capture rates. I know you talked about it on another video but I think it deserves a seperate video.
Like what is better and when, 8bit 4:2:2 or 10bit 4:2:0? Is there a big difference between 8bit 4:2:2 and 10bit 4:2:2? etc.
thank you, shooting in raw, im confuse in standard and neutral when shooting in raw, now iknow that it all the same. thanks
good job once again!
Great video. Thanks Gerald! I was suspecting this all along but thought I was crazy and never actually tested it to prove it. I believed everyone else but me.
Thanks !
Good Job. I like your new grade. And the accent light behind you gives more depth
Thanks! Appreciate it.
@@geraldundone I have a perfekt Test for you, that I just now tested my self.
The i. Dynamic Funktion on the gh5.
It's a BIG misconsepion
No matter where you read about it. It says that this function only adjusts the brightnes and the contrast automatically. Depending on the scene. And that you can replicate it just by ajusting that in post.
BUT,
That's not true. When I tested it. It creates a Bright halo around dark objekts that stand infont of middle gray ones. It's mask dark arias out and ajusts the brightnes just for those arias.
So it's a total different thing. Wich mabe even isn't so bad because I think it does this before coding the h264 file so you have more information then when doing it in post.
I would be so glad if you would look at that your self :)
Well done!
exactly what I suspected!!! I always wondered why profiles named "Picture profiles" and not "Video profiles". The name reflects the real impact at pictures as well.
I changed my PP to one with Cine2 and noticed that toning of my photos changed, especially under brighter Sun.. Wondered why and got the answer here..
Thanks Gerald for the good investigation and illustrations!
Great info. thanks. So then would you recommend RAW photographers should leave the PP alone or are there recommendations for low light, sunny/flat day, etc?
Shouldnt it be: No for all standard profiles, only when you custom alter the gamma will affect it.
Great video!
first gig i did with my A7III, i was playing around with all the settings and left my camera on PP7. will at the gig my pictures exposures on the screen where perfect. i soon as i got the files on my computer, they where all under exposed by 2-3 stops lol . i leaned that lesson the hard way
Which was the best gamma for stills you found?
Interesting. I feel like that might be a nifty trick. I wonder if the gamma settings would also help with noise when you het that threshold for the censor.
So will S-Log2 gamma have more dynamic range than Cine 1 when shooting Raw? Also, which gamma has the lease noise? Great video btw
Is there somewhere I can download the RAWs with the different gammas? It'd be interesting to take a look at the metadata tags and see if the gamma is specified in there or if it's baked into the raw image data.
T Freeman yep!
Lol I knew it affected it but was curious if the hlg3 was better for photo or just none. Thanks for doing this lol
Yeah, Gerald Undone confirmed, picture profile off when i am shooting timelapse, thanks so much for this video
Great video. Love the data. Wish more people would post data like this in their movies.
New follower ;-)
Thanks so much! Happy to have a new subscriber.
Great video. What is the gamma to use for the best image quality?
Would you mind I ask how did you retouch your vlog? The color looks great.
When you change gamma, did the exposure value change on the internal meter? For example, cine1 looks brighter, was it reading higher on the meter?
Super helpful, I feel like the issue I commented about from your last video about my x-t3 footage looking darker when I import it onto my computer most definitely has something to do with perhaps the gamma as I mentioned, it may be tht it isn’t optimised to display the Eterna color profiles properly on the computer screen so in turn the video looks way darker and under exposed when viewed on the computer but looks as how I intended to expose via the camera lcd and evf 🤔
Perhaps. Did you get a chance to test the other codec?
Oh yeah only briefly but I need to try and do a thorough one , to really see if there’s any difference 👍
Nice job! You got a new subscriber.
Thanks! Always happy to have a new subscriber!
see what makes it confusing was that on the camera itself, even though your mode is set to camera raw only, your live preview does change if you change the picture profiles, which threw it off for me a little and i had to double check
man, you're amazing
Gerald, try to use HLG on the scene with bright sky. It's make a good hdr raw photos!
Well done.