Whetstone Wars Battle 2k - Green Brick of Joy vs. Hyper King
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- Another installment of whetstone wars. Epic battle between these two whetstone companies. Giants in the world of ceramic whetstones. All synthetic stones with no natural stone contribution. These 2000 grit stones are legends in the industry. Once again we battle with the knives provided by Tokushu Knife. Two Mortitaka AS 210mm Gyuto were each sharpened on the respected stones. All the work was done just on the stone. After the knives were sharpened and compared, we declare a winner. This is based on price and size and how long we expect it to last, as well as how well it performs. It's pretty obvious in this episode. We have links below to some of the items. Some of the items are affiliate links and do pay a commission. Please enjoy the show.
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I am very glad to own the green brick of joy. Currently I have used it and it does the job very well. Great stone to have.
Great to hear! I completely agree!
I ordered my green brick of joy! You convinced me - I need one.
It’ll be good to hear back from you when you see what goes on with your stone. Thanks for your support always. I appreciate you being here
I've watched a lot of knife sharpening videos trying to get it down to "a piece of cake", and this channel is definitely one of the very best, going into detail and "show me", and very entertaining. Couldn't help a LOL at your dog, Greg, like "Oh, no ... here we go again ... they can't hear what that scratchy vibrating noise is like!"
I really appreciate your words. I mean more than you know. Yes, the dogs have seen everything. I’m glad we could help. We’re still learning ourselves.
I think the most incredible thing about your videos is your wife is supportive of this.
I’m always scared my latest knife but will be her murder weapon
Trust me, she has definitely thought about it. I keep coming home with knives and she keeps doing the math. There is a goal. We are moving forward with a plan. My wife is awesome.
Great result for the green brick of joy!
Amazing result for just using a 2K stone. That Naniwa 2K is a great deal, a lot of stone for the money.
I was completely shocked by how amazing just one stone could turn out. It's done it every time I've used it. It's just incredible.
Ah, yes the Green Brick
another WHETSTONE WARS ...yes.
I really love my Shapton Kuromaku 2k, creamy smooth, perfect feedback and a phenomenal edge with perfect bite/sharpness ratio ....... probably my favorite final stone for stainless steel. (definetly best edge for meat)
I have to say the Green brick for carbon steel looks very good and is probably worth a try. Soon I will be able to build a wall out of stones, the Brick will definitely come in handy there.😃
I have the shapton 1k ,isn't 1k better for meat ?
@@dimmacommunication I also own Shapton 1k (and 5k and 2k). Simply 2k stands out among the other Shapton Pro (=Kuromaku) stones.
1k has far worse feedback and a harsher not so plesant feeling. 1k creates burrs even with edge leading moves, (if you do sharpening moves parallel to the blade, yes you will remove the burr, but you will also remove the microteeth that you want for cutting meat)
So after 1k the burr must be removed but a few strokes on newspaper or clean leather are not enough. You must use leather with abrazive paste or a large number of strokes -> again you will lose microteeth. (reduce bite) If you remove burr by mechanical way (drag edge through wood) you will lose sharpness.
And 1k is more like 800 grit, 2k is real 2000 grit.
2k with low pressure create so small burr, that you can remove it by a few strokes on newspaper. This, combined with sharpening almost perpendicular to the blade, creates a phenomenal screamimg sharp edge with great bite........... and if you add the feel of this stone ..... then 2k wins over 1k significantly
@UCb-elR_jdZ-r8ENwIbMIrzA That's a super complete explanation, thank's :)
Recently I discovered that deburr is essential in a knife performance , so this makes perfect sense.
@@Vamtal what do you mean perpendicoular ? I sharpen my knife 45° to have stability
@@dimmacommunication if you want more teeth on the edge so the knife and the stone can be at an angle more than 45 ° .... a large number of Japanese master sharpeners sharpen right edge at 45 ° and left at 90 ° (knife in dominant hand )..... for meat i sharpen right 60 ° left 90 °....yes its more dificult to hold still propper sharpening angle but rewarding
Green Brick hands down, there is little difference between the 2k and 1k hyper in sharpness.
Thanks buddy. I just got the hyper king 1000. Haven’t used it yet. Good to know from you. I hope you’re doing well. Happy Thanksgiving
Great video mate very informative love the bored 🐶😁
Glad you enjoyed it
in this range I like shapton pro 2k. just about the best feeling synthetic Ive ever used. I also have been recommend the Naniwa Pro/Chosera in this range by folks who are REALLY in the know (for example, Milan Gravier). But fun to see these two stones. I know the green brick of joy has its name for a reason. Oh also like you I flatten with pencils, I might recommend some Hi-Uni 2B pencils for that task. a small, but fun, QOL improvement. additionally, I dont really see the point in natural stone powder mixed into synthetics. just buy naturals. IMO anyway. finally is that a Natsuya?
The natural stone is a Natsuya. I actually didn’t mean to use that one. I meant to use the Amakusa. Lol. I do like the stones that have natural powder. They have a nice feel and you can definitely polish a knife with them. I’ll look into the Shapton Pro 2k. I don’t know if I have that one. I have many others in that line.
Moritaka’s are the work horses of Japanese steel and I love them after a slight thin
Hey buddy, sorry I missed this. Happy Thanksgiving.
@@nadm thanks y’all do the same
That good boy in the background.
I’ve never have come close to using a stone through, green brick’s height is not a DEAL
What do you use?
Now do the winner vs Shapton Kuromaku 2000 - (the best 2000 labeled stone made IMHO!) Thanks Greg - love the series!
Thanks for watching and thanks for your support. I appreciate you being here and always love the comments. God bless.
great video. That naniwa seems like an awesome stone. The only problem is the grit. I have a chosera 400 800 and 3k. so those stones pretty much make this stone useless in the lineup. I still want one though hahaha
I really enjoy the whetstone wars, I do it myself to test the differences in cutting and refining. Also your personality shines through when you're out there having fun instead of being super serious :) One question I have and I can't believe I am going to say this, but I would love to see a Bess test, followed by some cutting, followed by another Bess test on the following...Finishing with and without edge leading strokes followed by leather stropping. I have tried both and haven't really seen any differences in paper cutting tests and edge retention. There is a lot of bro-science out there on this but no real evidence in my opinion. It's time to put them to the Bess test!
I don't mind doing the BESS test. I want to make sure we only use the stone to make sure that the stone gets credit for the work and not the leather. I have to make sure I continue to point out that you can take the test in different parts of the blade and get different results so I might add it but I don't think it should be the final word. We will discuss it. Yes, we're trying to get the personality to come out a little bit more. I think you'll see a little bit more this week. We're starting to relax and enjoy the show. Thank you for your support. You've been here for a long time and we really do appreciate it.
@@nadm My pleasure to support a great channel. So I agree about the Bess tests at one point, that's why I have never bought one. Maybe see how many cuts you can do before magazine paper no longer cuts. It's a tough nut to crack. I've heard people go either way in this issue, all of which have great experience and really good bro-science that sounds so logical that they can't be wrong :). Personally, what I have been doing lately is just trailing strokes and near the end I go three strokes then, drag the burr across the stone (I've seen you do this before too) then 3 more trailing so the burr is on the other side this time then drag, and do them both again so there is a total of 4 drags across the stone. 2 on each side. I then follow by 4 superlight trailing edge strokes then finish on suede with diamonds and leather. When I write this all out I realize how I am way over agonizing all of this and it seems looney. But, damn I love sharpening and I love a sharp knife! All the best!
Love the doge just chilling in the background :D is it a Labrador?
She is a golden retriever and lab mix. She was a foster failure/rescue. We got her at three weeks old when her mother was hit by a car. Thank you for supporting the channel.
You should bring that more in your videos I think 😊😃 I just love knives and sharpening videos and you sir inspire me to make my own 😊👌
I love your content man you all’s keep it up🍻
You’ve been a regular. We appreciate you being here. Thank you for your support.
Great video as always. I'm also one of the people who likes shapton 2k. Prior to that I used to like chosera 3k. I know you said you like muddy soft stones, but you may change your preference after these two stones :) I also use morihei 4k less frequently but visual feedback is very poor on that due to color, it is a shame for the natural stone powder in it. I was skeptical about shapton 2k at first but it grabs the apex very good and maybe it feels like razor honing lvl 4+ jnats although I haven't tried a jnat yet. But yes it won't be as forgiving as a stone with high slurry. Looking forward for the new episodes of the green brick :)
Yes the green record Joy performed amazing. We look forward to using it in the future. I'm a fan of everything you talked about and for different reasons. Thank you for your input. I loved reading what she wrote and comparing my own experiences. I'm excited about you trying Japanese natural stones in the future. They are a different thing altogether.
Green brick of joy is a great stone glad I got one
Definitely an incredible purchase.! Enjoy it should last you a lifetime
@@nadm definitely 🤙
I wish I could get results like that.. But I'm typically sharpening Chicago Cutlery or Faberware. Not sure if they are capable of such a fine edge.
I feel you should have shown how much stone flattening was needed on each AFTER the sharpening se@sion. All the mud created by the green brick of joy probably means it needs to be flattened more often.
One other comment: your hand held camera gave a darker/redder video than your fixed camera. Just a note.
Yeah, we had to switch over to the GoPro nine. We’re getting used to it. We’re not really used to using it for the handheld. Normally it’s stationary. My wife’s phone gave out. She got a new phone today. A new 13 pro just like my 13 promax. You should start seeing much better quality now.
Imanishi has a similar 2k brick stone in similar size and also an extra bricky size like suehiro 3030. I may try that soon. It has dark gray color. It's named Imanishi Jinzo Aoto 2k. Wondering if it is actually identical formula with the green brick or not. In japanese videos it looked like even softer, they were raising super thick slurry. But waiting for seller's answer atm.
They do and I have it. I like it very much. I honestly like everything they make.
I just ordered a np 3k. In your experience, is the 3k capable of using it like a 1 stone sharpening too? I thought the 3k I could use for sharpen and finish in one. Now it seems the green brick should have been my choice. I mostly want to use it for touch ups, where the kitayama is too fine. What is your opinion on green brick Vs 3k?
I don’t have that one. I’ll be interested in getting into it. When I sharpen on natural stones, the one I use is rated up to 3K. I’m able to get an edge. Like I said, this straddles the line but I think you’ll be fine. I definitely would like to look into that one. Please drop a link so I can make sure I get the same one you got
Would it be possible to do knife battles comparing steel from one maker to another?
I actually tried to think of something like that already. We will see what we can come up with.
Hey ! :)
In the end I bought the Takamura for 155$ shipped here in Europe , cause the Moritaka Hamono are basically out of production for several months.
But in the future I will for sure try them, You are partly responsible for my poor budget management LOL :P
lol!
I'm sorry I guess lol!
It would be cool if you did a diamond plate vs whetstones video. I’ve been skeptical of substantial benefit of whetstones over plates as I approached kitchen knives from prior woodworking and pocket knife experience, using plates and strops for chisels and plane irons (A2ish stuff), and mostly s30v and s90v. I don’t think there is much edge-wise I couldn’t somehow achieve with 300, 1-1.2k, 8k, and strops... am I missing something special about these stones? I can post/loan you the plates if you want to test it...
Hey buddy, sorry I missed this. Been very busy with my wife out of town and getting ready for the holidays. I have some diamond stones but I don’t know which ones you want me to use. Definitely elaborate on which company specifically you want to use. I appreciate your offer and definitely might take you up on it and give you a shout out. My email is located on the about and you can also reach me through other forms of social media. Again, I apologize for taking a moment to get back to you with Thanksgiving meeting tomorrow. I like your idea. Let’s figure it out
I have owned the Green Brick for several years and use it frequently. It is the closest thing to a "do-it-all" stone in my collection. It cuts fast and polishes like a 6K (a point that was not mentioned here). For that reason I often use it as a finishing stone. And you can actually use it as a splash & go as it will not absorb water.
It does have its drawbacks, however. For one, it is VERY soft and loads up quickly. If you like harder stones the Green Brick is not for you. It is also messy -- at the end of your session you will have green slurry all over your fingers.
But overall I highly recommend the Green Brick.
Thank you for that. I definitely agree. It's your one stop shop without breaking the bank. You can do everything you just said.
Will you try the King neo ?
Moritaka 🔥
I'll have to look into that because I've never heard of that
Can the Green Brick of Joy be left in water indefinitely? That allows you to jump right into sharpening without spending 20 getting the stones saturated each time.
I don’t know if it’s available for purchase soak but I’ll have to look into it. That’s not for me because I don’t really have a place to do that but it performs incredible anyway
Yes, I think the Green Brick is permasoak. According to what I've read some people had it for over 1 year in water without issues.
yes u can permasoak it
I need to buy a gyuto today for black friday....I want rustic style my budget is $250 any recommendations?
tokushuknife.com/collections/moritaka-hamono/products/do-chua-plj8l
tokushuknife.com/collections/moritaka-hamono/products/do-chua-plj8l?variant=41490115559648
thanks my friend
Can you recommend your favorite dressing stone for Naniwa whetstones use (prior to sharpening).
th-cam.com/video/DlujXU3RmuY/w-d-xo.html I would say the Atoma regularly is something I go to. The new high dollar one is really nice though. You don't really need it unless you're using very specialized stones
When you are done with the stone elders, why don't you use the leather elder that gives a great result Greetings Ahmed
The goal is to just show what the individual stone can do. If it was just a sharpening video on how to make a knife sharper, then we would definitely do that. The goal is to see what one stone can do over the other stone. I hardly believe in using the leather afterwards if your goal is to make your knife sharp and functional. There are plenty of great nice sharpeners who do not use the leather at all
What grit diamond plate did you use to lap those stones?
400 Atoma if below 1000 grit
Where did you buy the Hyper King 2k? Can’t find it in any trustworthy site.
I will have to figure that out. I'm sorry that I don't know right off the top of my head. I'm going to work but I'll have to look while I'm at work and try to get back to you. If I don't get back to you then please comment again so I can find this comment. I am just sorry that I made you wait two days for a response.
@@nadm ok thanks
@@nadm hey, you told me comment
@@MrMeds-of5ur Thank you sir. I’m gonna look that up.
@@MrMeds-of5ur www.aiandomknives.com/products/king-hyper-whetstone-2000-normal?variant=39591668088941
www.ebay.com/itm/185028773882?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-213727-13078-0&mkcid=2&itemid=185028773882&targetid=4580496732614416&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=&poi=&campaignid=418233788&mkgroupid=1230353745471221&rlsatarget=pla-4580496732614416&abcId=9300542&merchantid=51291&msclkid=8452927e4fc0121a3061f15cc95018b7
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yuisenri.com/collections/japanese-stone/products/king-hyper-2000
Green brick is available in thinner cheaper version as the 2000 in the "Traditional" line. At least a far as I can tell, I don't know how much variance they have just due to different batching at the factory.
Thank you for that I have to look into it. That’s awesome
@@nadm Naniwa seems to have three catalogs, domestic Japan, export to Asia, and export to the west, the two exports are very similar, mainly a couple packaging changes, but the Japan catalog is very different, lots of extra options.
With Amz and ebay making everything available everywhere I was trying to scrape some information from the japan catalog, got some basic info but they use an "e-catalog" which google translate can't see and I don't know how to manually type kanji...
@@mytech6779 I hear you, that makes sense. And yes Amazon is taking over the world and making everything available
Funny my Hishiboshi 3k is also green, and that dishes like crazy
I have not seen that one! You’ll have to send me a link.
@@nadm no way dude I think u reviewed it. It’s one of those Morihei Hishiboshi natural stone powder stones. The 8K is nice and hard but the 3k dishes like nothing else
@@natemccollum3731 Now that I think about it, you are correct. I did review it with the entire stone sad. It’s not part of the fire series. It did like some of its performance compared to other things that they make. It was OK but they discontinued it. It dishing out is probably why they discontinued it
Both knives should be Moritaka Aogami #2 (Blue #2) steel.
tokushuknife.com/collections/moritaka-hamono/products/do-chua-plj8l
Quick tip: don’t flatten your stones like him. Keep the entire length of your diamond plate on your stone. If you do it sideways like he does, the plate will follow the contour and it’s just gonna take longer and waste more of your stone.
I teach that in my video about lapping plates. You can do it if you know what you're doing but yes, if your untrained then don't do it because you're slightly tip and then you will get your stone uneven. Sometimes you just have to do something for a very long time to know what you're doing.
I need the green brick of joy
Every single time I've ever use this thing it just outperforms everything. It's just absolutely incredible.
@@nadm i’m just afraid I won’t need any of my other stones if I get one.
Looks like it would last a lifetime...or two.
@@trappenweisseguy27 yes indeed! I don't know how long it would take to wear this thing out. You would have to be a professional knife sharpener.
@@andrebaran7337 that actually might be true. If it works that good and it saves you money, you might have more money to spend on other knives.