I like the realistic look. It makes me feel that they spent a lot of time on the plugin. The collapse button was a really great idea. And for a plugin that takes up this much screen space it is much needed.
I like the analog style UI's because I have never used any of this vintage gear. I've been stuck on default UI's for a long time and vintage looking plugins are striking to look at.
To be honest. I prefer analog looking plugins. And this in particular is very easy to use and understand. People with tiny screens can user other plugins.
Me as well. Am I influenced by that? Probably, like all of us, I assume. Do I care? Not a bit. All instruments (I just call plugins that too) try to attract potential buyers. I never saw any company, which makes ugly stuff on purpose.
This UI seems to be a thing you come back to a lot and while you make a very solid point I feel like there is a distinction to be made. I agree with what you're saying when we're talking tools, like EQ, compression, de-essing and limiting. I love Fabfilter for these tasks because they make work efficient, insightfull and hassle-free. When we're talking creative effects (or even vintage-vibe FX like tape emulators or vintage modeled EQ's and compressors known for their vibe more then their uncanny ability to add distortion-free processing) I kind of love a skeumorphic UI for two main reasons. One is mentioned in a lot of other comments I've read, which is: A nice visual presentation can sort of trigger inspiration. But it is also a way to quickly find your way around a plugin, and even more so around various plugins. One has big buttons, one has smaller ones. Labeled, unlabled. Maybe the drive button has a grittyer look then the feedback button? I tend to loose my way on OSC-esque-controllersa lot for example. They're clean and efficient, but I keep having to read the label because the buttons themselves don't tell me anything. Echorec actually goes a step further, because the visual representation actually tells a story about what you're doing! For the non believers: I believe in Cubase/Nuendo you can actually shut the UI off and have a list of labled controllers if you'd like. Wouldn't surprise me if you could do the same in Reaper and maybe other DAWs.
Hi there Wytse @White Sea Studio. You missed two features of this overly skeuomomorphic designed plugin; 1-) An Off mode allowing to use the plug-in as saturation without delay. 2-) Finger modulation of the disk speed (that's why your mouse pointer became active when over the spinning disk).
I have to somewhat disagree with you. Some plugin that designed with that modern flat look actually worse IMO (looking at you, Voxengo, and also Ableton, ofc not the newest ableton plugin like the Wavetable), because their UI doesn't really 'inspire' you to use them. Ofc it's the brilliance of Fabfilter's designer to design such an intuitive and usable modern UI, but I also really like some of those skeumorphic UI like those in Arturia plugin.
I demoed this plugin a while a go. I really like it on vocals and guitars and you can also use it as a distortion effect since you can set the delay on 0. I played with it and I think the GUI is pretty nice and easy to learn but in the end I didn't buy it. Although I really like the sound of it but I didn't buy it because sometimes I like to tweak a bit more. I went for the ValHalla Delay. Cheaper and more flexible!
In the end you don't see what the plugin's look like when you send your track out to be heard. I do use this one and a few of thier others because they sound good, easy to use and the price is right. Flashy interfaces don't impress me as much as good sounding simple to use ones that don't break the bank 👍
Do you have Logic? I think you would like a feature logic has: in the top right of any plugin is an option called “view”. This switches between the flashy/rusty/moving-graphic interface of the plugin, and “controls”, which is just bare bones sliders and value fields. I use it to keep some plugins on the screen since they become VERY small. Personally I HATE plugins like this one with useless moving graphics. Not only does it take up real estate, but it’s taxing your GPU unnecessarily. GPU isn’t something we generally think about, but we want our wave forms and meters to be snappy and accurate in real time.
if you read the manual--you will se that you can simulate slowing down the wheel whith the mouse just like you would do using your finger on the orginal
Around the 10:50 to 10:55 mark, you mention it's a tape delay. It isn't Echorecs don't respond like tape delays. They don't degrade (as much) as tape delays.
Im actually drawn to the more modern technological interfaces like Goodhertz, it seems like plugins with interfaces like that are usually high quality.
Talked to Niccolò at Pulsar and he's considering a hide function for the drum/drive mechanism similar to what Slate Digital does with their Virtual Tape Machines plugin. I stated the case for a UI that's better for laptops and he said the will consider it in a future release. So their you go. I did purchase it. I remember seeing one of those waaay back in the 70s but never used it, but I had an Echoplex that I used with my Hammond and other keyboards. Having a ball with this vintage thing. (In loving memory of Pink Floyd's keyboardist Rick Wright - RIP...)
I agree that the top portion of Echorec should be optionally hidden. I do see that the user interface is very approachable and after watching your video I feel I understand it almost completely. As a control freak, I want this immediately: I can tell it EXACTLY how many echoes to create, and how loud they will be, it will sync to tempo, and the tone controls appear to be just right. So you have sold me on this plugin! I will first check out their website and then probably just buy it because it ticks off all the boxes in what I have been looking for. Thanks for this!
they wouldn't even have to skin a "vanilla" ui, they can define knobs, labels, fader etc. as such and each daw will visually interpret this on their own. Airwindows does this, its not a lot of work and in some daws this makes automating values easier
I think they should add the modern UI as a collapsable top window like they did on the Pulsar Massive. It would be great to have a visualization of the delay timing and filtering behind the dry signal.
It would have been useful to know how it stacks up to other tape delay plugins. Also, the way the tape speed affected frequency on your hardware unit, is that a desirable thing? Because, if not, there is no reason to put it on a plugin, even if you are trying to make a faithful recreation of the old hardware. Anyway, this does sound like it could be useful on more than just a few tracks.
I havent tried it yet but from the feature set one things is, more sync options (no dotted eighths) and a delay time read out, yeah maybe use you ears but typing in a delay time you want and tweaking from there can work really well.
15:50 "People listen with their eyes and not with the ears, and this is why we are making interfaces", i agree 100%, this is what i said to a lot of people, remember we are making music, not graphic design.
I like your GUI collapsing and vintage vs. modern/clean/Fabfilter-like choice ideas. It was pretty funny that you demo'd this on a vocal and not a guitar. Sounded pretty good to my ears!
i agree with your point that there should be options with analog interfaces and a more simplified fab filter like interface, but i think you constantly complain about GUI, without an understanding of why it is important. Its valuable to markteting, its valuable to some people who are used to analog and want it to look like what they're used to. Its a way of transition those people to digital by setting them at ease. Its also about encouraging creativity in some people by the aesthetic and "vibe" rather than cold menus and data. You want to focus on work flow, but most artistic types and really people in general judge with their eyes. If someone made you two sandwiches, both with all the same content, but one was made with detailed consideration for presentation, and the other was just thrown together into a paper bag, how would it make you feel? would you be as enthusiastic about trying the paper bag junk sandwich? Aesthetic does not mean quality by default, but it is valuable when trying to do anything related in sales and trying to catch the eye of consumers.
At the end of the day, it's a personal aesthetic preference, but at times I think that Wytse just doesn't understand the concept of that. And the concept that people like looking at analog interfaces, be it on the screen or on the hardware. They are pleasant to look at and can even add inspiration for music. And his constant repeats of interface rants in plugin reviews are honestly rather tiring. To the point that I just might watch his other things like console and hardware related stuff, along with general mastering vids and misc reviews, and skip the plugin reviews entirely.
Aesthetics costs performance, always ...and especially intuitive workflow. If you do it long enough, you don't give a shit about aesthetics. This is all short-term marketing, probably because it doesn't sell as much as it looks. It's the same with this plugin, all the aesthectics and supposedly a full emulation....and it's not.
@@Projacked1 Nope. Aesthetics doesn't always cost performance. That dependency varies on case-by-case basis and is not absolute. And besides, there are plenty of great emulations with analog-looking interfaces.
@@Projacked1 I think the flaw is the implication that many makers are intentionally trying to cover up flaws in their software by putting a pretty coat on it. I mean if every compressor came with some pull down menus and some flat sliders, how do makers appeal to consumers? how do they get people to try their product? How do they get their funding to make their products better over time? thats the long game. No company comes out with the best product ever, no updates, no v2, best product period first try. They evolve, and to do that as a new developer means getting customers. Satisfying those customers for now with what you can reasonably achieve with your technology and budget, and then building up new ideas and new innovations over time. Its a high bar to set when we say that companies need to come out of the gates with a better product than legacy companies that have history and far more captial from their history of products. Should they have new ideas? absolutely, but should we expect a fabfilter killer to emerge out of nowhere from version 1? I dont think so. To get them there, marketing, aesthetics and system are all valid parts to the ultimate goal.
@@TheNightquaker of course it does, it's software....it's the UI that causes most if not all interferences/ and processing. Even if you don't notice it. Take away the pimpy graphics and the performance doubles or more. I close my eyes when I listen, no need for graphics.
Thanks for the review! I am a Studio One/Logic and was wondering if you would do some videos on you DAW and how you use it in conjunction with your analog equipment. forgive me if you have already made videos about them.
Honestly if i had the option between an analog-looking GUI vs a modern easy-to-use GUI i would go with the analog one every time. I really don't share your stance that plugins shouldn't look exactly like the analog hardware. I understand your point about efficiency, but the analog look is just fun. I don't have any analog gear and i enjoy geeking out over the analog emulations. It makes mixing more fun for me.
Sounds okay. But Soundtoys echoboy echorec (Binson clone) preset does approx. the same, while presenting many, many other delays in that Echoboy plugin
I think you missed important reason to keep simulation plugin like a real thing :) It is about learning curve for people who used actual hardware or own one (home many people has more than 1-3 hw 1176 for instance?). They can just start instantly work with it. But I fully agree with need to innovate not just copy the same thing again and again under different brands. And some of them are trying to do both. Trying to make soft clone of hardware but extending with new function or possibility. Like not fixed freq in soft, more choices, variations or even completely new mode not found in original hardware.
In addition to Valhalla Delay, check out Augustus Loop. Tape instead of disk, otherwise it does everything this Echorec sim will do and *much* more. If you know what the delay ratios on the Echorec taps are, it’s pretty easy to set up an “Echorec” preset on it. Only you get a plugin with a lot more capability (looping, long “frippertronic” delay times, digital/tape sim, complete control of filters, saturation, etc). IIRC it’s roughly the same price as this one too.
As one into 3D graphics as well, I had to pause and check, and yes - the rotation of the animation is also motion-blurred when it speeds up. They gave it their all (I'm sure someone responsible at the animation department goes "Someone noticed!!
@10:14 I thought I heard more low end saturation at 1/2 than at 1/8. At least to my ears. The 1/8 felt thinner to me. Maybe I missed your dry sarcasm, but it seemed to behave in much the same way as your were criticizing it.
I know you hate photo realistic type interfaces. You make that clear on most every video. Personally, I do like interfaces that match the hardware that they are emulating. I'm not a fan of the Izotope style interfaces, though I use almost all their plugins. They feel a bit cold and sterile to me, but it's only a preference and has nothing to do with the sound. Speaking of which, I downloaded the demo of Echorec and spent a few minutes with it. I got instantly good results with it so i bought it. I do like your videos but equating a photo realistic interface to snakeoil is a pretty big stretch. Anyway, thanks for the videos. They are entertaining if not always educational. :-)
I did extensive demoing between all 3 over a couple weeks, and in blind tests the Audiority was the most preferred, with the Pulsar being a pretty close 2nd. The Overloud isn't bad or anything, but it has a more "digital" vibe than the Audiority and Pulsar versions. Not "digital" necessarily in terms of pure sound, but more so digital in the way that it behaves a little too cleanly and precisely. The Audiority on the other hand behaves astonishingly like the analog tape delays I've owned in the past. I couldn't believe my ears. All that being said, that's not a knock on the other companies' work. For example, Overloud's GEM 670 (Fairchild 670) is my/our favorite Fairchild modeled plugin. And the Pulsar Mu (Manley Vari-Mu) is amazing. Hope this helps give you some ideas and perspective! tl;dr - All 3 are solid, pro level plugins that could be used to make hits, but to my ears, the Audiority comes away with the win.
The spokesperson's explanatory answer to the analog-interface query was excellent, and perfectly persuasive. The realistic interface matters, and helps considerably; a so-called modern, sterile and spartan interface would certainly turn off potential users, including this one.
I have a couple of these type, the IK T-Racks Binson and the McDSP EC300, which is my favourite because it has built in side-chain ducking, which is my favourite thing ever! I must have another half dozen I forgot about ;-)
Since 99% of plugin buyers have zero experience with the original hardware the idea that it will "help" the user understand "how or why" to get results is ridiculous. You can be sure that the "original" hardware would look completely different if the manufacturers did not have to worry about technical limitations or manufacturing costs - they would've been much more adventurous with their hardware designs both in "ergonomics" and excessive "bling" to make their product stand out on a shelf next to their competitors. Like the excessive use of chrome and tail fins in 1950s American cars ;-) Computer GUIs have no limits, and frankly, are most useful when they visualize parameters so well that you can achieve desired results even with the audio effect muted. FabFilter and Izotope are two brilliant examples... another is UVI - their Relayer Delay is the most comprehensive I've ever used AND it's GUI is outstanding (well worth a review!).
The spinning disc looks cool. I wonder if they modelled this thing in 3d and rendered it on 2d surface. What I would like in these skeudomorphic interfaces are spinbox controls under the knobs. So that you can click an up/down arrow and even change the actual nummerical value with the keyboard. Software synthesizers often have the same design ethos as effect plugins, a lot of eye candy but not always easy to use. Personally I think Korg does a reasonble job at finding the balance between pretty looking and easy using. I use quite a few of their iPad apps like iM1 and iWavestation and Gadget. With Gadget the controls can sometimes be a bit finnicky with the touch screen but their wavestation app is really well done when it comes to sound editing, you can kind of manupilate the parameters like fabfilter. Somethimes and old windows 95 interface (like the airwindows plugins) will do just fine, as a structural engineer I often work with a program called "Technosoft Raamwerken" which still looks like a windows 95 program but it works really well and is easy and fast to use. If I look at old school daw's like Cubase on the Atari, the design was very simple but also functionally designed. The technical restrisctions of the monochrome low-res display forced the developers to think about the design in a functional way and not waste the screen real estate with eye candy.
I’m thinking of getting this one as it’s on sale. I have a million delays including the Audiority but I DO like the Pulsar Mu and Smasher. I’m also about to do a 100 in 100 days effects pedals and plugins challenge for my new channel so could use all the vibey delays available! Any thoughts on this versus the Audiority or Valhalla?
please, stop i understand your why you claim every analog-like user interface, but you just waste time like 8 min of video just introduction and joking on user interface and other 8 - the test itself some people love to see interfaces like this and you can't do nothing with this and all this companies just trying give them what they want
Part of the appeal of a realistic looking interface is it makes the user feel they could operate a real analog version of the effect if they come upon one.
I have a few Echorec plugs to compare this to (Audiority, DDMF, Overloud etc), and this one is my favorite out of all of them. Honestly, UI preferences aside, it just sounds better. Pulsar's other plugs are fantastic sounding as well, imo.
I think this thing sounds good. There are quite a few tape delay emulaions out there but not many Echorec's and this is a good one. Pulsar have taken the time with the sound as well as the look (which is important too for a vintage gear guy like me). One thing missing is a standalone version for those who just want to plug into it. Hide half GUI is a good idea. You review should also see what the tube drive control is like on a guitar or synth signal. How many parameters are midi controllable (I would assume all but hey).
for more interesting options you can have a skwiz at the overloud echoson..the've taken the binson further with additional parameters and fun sound twistiness...!!?? anywho..check it out..cheers..Ty from s.oz
Would be cool if plugin makers had an option in the plugin to go from the skeuomorphic analog metal box skin to a simple 2D skin for people who can hear the difference and don't need the visual hints to tell them what to hear.
Voice audio gets recorded to a separate recorder. Screen capture software only records the computer audio. Switch back and forth between audio tracks during video editing.
Effectrode is working on a Binson Echorec inspired delay (not a plugin), they've been at it for a while but I think it's gonna be interesting what kind of design they come up with.
Wytse, can't mention this enough, but maybe do some review on the Dutch company Toneboosters(especially their reelbus4 plugin). Simple Gui, low price, high quality.
I get your aversion to this kind of GUI and your opinion is always respected. But...you know, the look is always part of the deal. Fabfilter didn't try to emulate something existing, they gave you the best and most versatile tools possible. So what else should their plugins look like than the way they do? Of course, even their GUI had been designed to be appealing. They could have done it like Chris from Airwindows or all those JSFX in Reaper. The reply you got via e-mail is actually pretty good (I was surprised they worked for Arturia, too). I am totally in love with Arturia's compressors and yes, the GUI is a part of the user experience. Look, try to see it this way: I love the behaviour of the dbx 165a, so I wanted a plugin that behaves the same. I wanted to walk on the same road to get to the desired sound, with all the buttons and placements of the knobs. That is part of my workflow. So why should I be forced to get used to a new interface although I know and love the old one, just because it all went digital? Sure, rust and dust and all that is pretty useless...but take it as an expression of love. It is a tribute. If I need an innovative EQ I grab the fabfilter and don't care how it looks. If I need the sound and workflow of a 1073, I grab a plugin of a 1073, with all the expected and desired restrictions - and I take the familiar look as a bonus because I know in a second were I am and what to set. That's why digitalized instruments in aircraft cockpits resemble the old look of circular instruments. EDIT: you MUST try Arturia's compressors!
It's actually kinda true, this whole visual marketing point. The best tape emulation on the market is the AirWindows one, but hardly anybody knows this guy, and I am sure one of the reasons is because he literally has *no* interface, he just uses the default sliders that come from the VST GUI in the SDK. He even has some motto around this, but I can't remember it. Anyway, what I like about this vintage emulation craze in plugins is not so much whether or not they are perfect representations, but that they do have color, and you can use it for that, not like the original unit, but as a new thing altogether. Also, what is nice about plugins is that they work, contrary to a lot of vintage hardware units people have at home or in the studio, which is I am sure the reason you did not compare it to your hardware tape delay :p
A nice idea to have a stats about the 3d use case! Another cool idea for a vst Demo, with 3D design, would be to destroy parts of it by time. Pickups fall down, knobs break, starts to steam. But you can repair it by clicking of different parts or knobs and you get working again. None knows when the demo period is over, but anytime it's. This is how you develop a relationship with the device because you kept fixing it. In the end you will buy it! This is how "games to pay for" working as well.
ON the GUI, if you are emulating a peice of hardware, surely if you make the interface different to how the hardware looked, it would be confusing to use and then not 'authentic' to the original hardware. FabFilter doesn't emulate specific hardware so can be experimantal with their interface.. and it works a treat. I dont mind either unless it (as you also say) impacts usability. Great review.
To think you can make a decision and not be influenced by what you're seeing seems naive to me, even if you're confident enough to trust your ears. I like setting the parameters on a plugin blind (turning of the screen, turning a linked rotary encoder without feedback), because I will often set them a lot more extreme and than when looking at the dials, just based on how exciting something sounds. Despite knowing this I cannot *not* be influenced by leaving the visual feedback on. I *do* like fabfilter UIs very much, and I'm not particularly into hardware emulation UIs with scratches and screws on them. I'm just disagreeing with a general statement you made during minute 4:00.
i have a binson echorec it sounds good if it is working, but you need to oil the disc to avoid friktion on the tape-heads, without let oil on the drivewheel, what always happens and causing massiv wow and flutter ... i hate it .... i consider buying the plugin
Definitely useful plugin. The overdrive sounds very tape like. But .... if they'd force the user to clean the heads and to oil the mechanics, it would be the first and long awaited tamagotchi plugin in vst and au format. Hehe
Thanks. There's lots of choices now out there for tape delay/echo. PlexiTape by Audiority is my personal fav and I'd love to see you do a snake oil vid for it (it's NOT snake oil by the way!)
I think you're got it the wrong way around Wyste, they make plugins to look like this because that's what the majority of people want because human beings (in general) like things to look nice and appealing. If you're a Reaper user I totally get it, looks don't matter. That's why after trying Reaper I chose Studio One, it does everything really well and... it looks nice. 😎
How to make your own delay with a loop back connection in a vst patchbay or vst rack ? That would be cool but i cant fix this. Just one repeat with a standard delay, than a tape or tube emulation, a EQ and a limiter for safety. Gimmi, gimmi, gimmi dah answer.
I like and use both analog looking plug-ins and the fab filter more 'modern digital' looking plugins. I do agree that sometimes the vintage looking ones can be annoying to turn a knob because you have to go left or right when up or down feels more intuitive on some. The waves API eqs come to mind. I do however think you are missing the point on why people including myself like those vintage style faces. Most of us probably, even though I do run a small professional studio, will never be able to afford loads of Neve, Urei or Abbey Roads gear and this allows people to somewhat buy into the history of music production and feel they can be familiar with the gear without ever owning the physical unit. From experience too, I can say that having used a plugin emulation and then using the real thing, you feel like you have a head start and know what knob is what..
there are two sides of guis... the thing with modern digital GUIs are they need to be designed very well in terms of functionality and information and useability and useage (workflow etc) and also aesthetics (they are often more importend then someone might think... also because aesthetics can also be kind of a guide like colorcoding differend aspects and so on) ... if the digital GUI is well designed... then they are a joy to use... however there are also some plugins.. were the design isn't very well done... and the useability becomes a struggle... "analog" guis on the otherhand they mught not give the functionality and informative and fast was of use like a well designed modern gui .. but are often more safe not to create a complete mess... so still beeing more or less intuitive to use... and I can imagine to develop and design a good modern GUI .. can be harder then design an analog GUI... the analog GUI might be more work in terms of art.. to make it nice... but in terms of thinking and use and so on... a modern GUI can be quite hard to do it right I can imagine... because it almost goes into some kind of psychological behavior analysis or so.. with what most of our brains can work best and so on...
Love how you talk about the BS of interfaces. I get sucked in sometimes especially with UAD. When I play with Ableton i don't have that issue. The built in effects sound excellent to me but have no special interface. It really is mindset.
On the actual plugin. Sounds good, wouldn't have known about it unless I saw this video, but $109 is too steep for me for now. At the same time if it was any less I wouldn't trust it lol. Psychology is funny isn't it?
Hey, why don't you check out the Arousor by Empirical Labs. Considering they make the distressor and assuming that you've used one before it'd be nice to hear your opinion on it. I for one just got it and think it sounds AMAZING and for once I understand what you mean when you say something gives the sound more depth! Unlike a lot of compressor plugins you can clearly tell that it has its own vibe and sound and the way you can smash a signal with it is really cool and gives some pretty wicked results!
It's as simple as putting an alternative and easy to use GUI with simple controls (DMG do this very well) on every plugin yo make. Sounds pretty cool!! Do you remember if it was CPU hungry?
What they should really do is allow a way to make 3rd party skins like in Reaper. If they don't have the time to build a second interface then make that aspect open source... it's just a few parameter sliders, it can't be that difficult to facilitate.
@@kaitsu9608 that's true. I used Ableton for years and had to abandon it because of stability issues in 10 and could never go back because workflow for mixing in Reaper is so much smoother. Proves it's a fairly simple thing to translate parameters to simple sliders, though.
I like the realistic look. It makes me feel that they spent a lot of time on the plugin. The collapse button was a really great idea. And for a plugin that takes up this much screen space it is much needed.
I like the analog style UI's because I have never used any of this vintage gear. I've been stuck on default UI's for a long time and vintage looking plugins are striking to look at.
I prefer analog looking plugins. I don't like pro Q interface (very cold looking and no inspiring). This plugins sound dam good!
I got over plugin user interfaces a while ago. It's all coding so the UI is just for the pretty
Same here !!
To be honest. I prefer analog looking plugins. And this in particular is very easy to use and understand. People with tiny screens can user other plugins.
Of course, if you're making an emulation, it should be analog looking.. Analog looking plugins inspire me better..
Me as well. Am I influenced by that? Probably, like all of us, I assume. Do I care? Not a bit. All instruments (I just call plugins that too) try to attract potential buyers. I never saw any company, which makes ugly stuff on purpose.
I don't like flat cold looking plugins
I agree. Can’t imagine why you’d go to a “modern” interface for an emulation of a classic device. It looks great and looks how I’d expect it to.
@@lonnyhandwork422 Exactly and maybe people have used stuff like that before and can apply this.
Its very easy to oil the motor! Just use SNAKE OIL!
I think you'll need to buy "digital motor oil" in form of a serial number to feed it every couple of months so it runs well...
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This UI seems to be a thing you come back to a lot and while you make a very solid point I feel like there is a distinction to be made. I agree with what you're saying when we're talking tools, like EQ, compression, de-essing and limiting. I love Fabfilter for these tasks because they make work efficient, insightfull and hassle-free.
When we're talking creative effects (or even vintage-vibe FX like tape emulators or vintage modeled EQ's and compressors known for their vibe more then their uncanny ability to add distortion-free processing) I kind of love a skeumorphic UI for two main reasons. One is mentioned in a lot of other comments I've read, which is: A nice visual presentation can sort of trigger inspiration. But it is also a way to quickly find your way around a plugin, and even more so around various plugins. One has big buttons, one has smaller ones. Labeled, unlabled. Maybe the drive button has a grittyer look then the feedback button? I tend to loose my way on OSC-esque-controllersa lot for example. They're clean and efficient, but I keep having to read the label because the buttons themselves don't tell me anything. Echorec actually goes a step further, because the visual representation actually tells a story about what you're doing!
For the non believers: I believe in Cubase/Nuendo you can actually shut the UI off and have a list of labled controllers if you'd like. Wouldn't surprise me if you could do the same in Reaper and maybe other DAWs.
"If it's a faithful representation, it must break down a lot" - that is priceless!!
I agree. Looking at the analog interface gives inspiration and then motivation.
Hi there Wytse @White Sea Studio. You missed two features of this overly skeuomomorphic designed plugin; 1-) An Off mode allowing to use the plug-in as saturation without delay.
2-) Finger modulation of the disk speed (that's why your mouse pointer became active when over the spinning disk).
Really! I could modulate it with my mouse!? 😱
I have to somewhat disagree with you. Some plugin that designed with that modern flat look actually worse IMO (looking at you, Voxengo, and also Ableton, ofc not the newest ableton plugin like the Wavetable), because their UI doesn't really 'inspire' you to use them. Ofc it's the brilliance of Fabfilter's designer to design such an intuitive and usable modern UI, but I also really like some of those skeumorphic UI like those in Arturia plugin.
I demoed this plugin a while a go. I really like it on vocals and guitars and you can also use it as a distortion effect since you can set the delay on 0. I played with it and I think the GUI is pretty nice and easy to learn but in the end I didn't buy it. Although I really like the sound of it but I didn't buy it because sometimes I like to tweak a bit more. I went for the ValHalla Delay. Cheaper and more flexible!
Fingers off the tape!!!! 😄
Nice thorough review, and enjoyed seeing your email exchange with them.
In the end you don't see what the plugin's look like when you send your track out to be heard. I do use this one and a few of thier others because they sound good, easy to use and the price is right. Flashy interfaces don't impress me as much as good sounding simple to use ones that don't break the bank 👍
I love the way it looks and sounds I have to try it
in Reaper we always can choose the "UI" mode if we want to hide the fancy GUI
Same in Cubase you can use the generic interface with sliders and values for each control
@@DynamicRockers *yuck*, I'd never. In Reaper it looks even more terrible, like a Win95 spreadsheet.
but the sound is the same. :)
@@tatabeat yep, but an old dirty bag would keep you maybe warm as well, but that doesn't mean, that we like to wear such, unless we have to.
I will probably get this one. Just the drive alone sounds awesome.
Do you have Logic? I think you would like a feature logic has: in the top right of any plugin is an option called “view”. This switches between the flashy/rusty/moving-graphic interface of the plugin, and “controls”, which is just bare bones sliders and value fields. I use it to keep some plugins on the screen since they become VERY small.
Personally I HATE plugins like this one with useless moving graphics. Not only does it take up real estate, but it’s taxing your GPU unnecessarily. GPU isn’t something we generally think about, but we want our wave forms and meters to be snappy and accurate in real time.
100% correct! could not have said it better!
if you read the manual--you will se that you can simulate slowing down the wheel whith the mouse just like you would do using your finger on the orginal
Great idea for a "collapse" button for those on small screens who are not bothered so much about the visuals
Around the 10:50 to 10:55 mark, you mention it's a tape delay. It isn't Echorecs don't respond like tape delays. They don't degrade (as much) as tape delays.
Bought this plugin....awesome. Awesome. One of my favs. Very cool delay to work with.
The drive knob is magical, it's my favorite delay for any electric guitar.
Im actually drawn to the more modern technological interfaces like Goodhertz, it seems like plugins with interfaces like that are usually high quality.
"modern technological interface" lol
goodhertz' aesthetic is str8 up graphic-designer's dandy-land fluff
Valhalla Delay? Ticks your UI preference box and has been getting great reviews...
David Cantan its outstanding when it comes to realtime delay time manipulation
wish i bought valhalla delay instead of plate. Love their room plugin
@Erwin Vomberg I second this! Such a brilliant plugin.
It is a creative delay with no nonsense interface. Sounds good.
I have had echoboy for a while and it can do similar stuff, maybe a comparison?
Talked to Niccolò at Pulsar and he's considering a hide function for the drum/drive mechanism similar to what Slate Digital does with their Virtual Tape Machines plugin. I stated the case for a UI that's better for laptops and he said the will consider it in a future release. So their you go. I did purchase it. I remember seeing one of those waaay back in the 70s but never used it, but I had an Echoplex that I used with my Hammond and other keyboards. Having a ball with this vintage thing. (In loving memory of Pink Floyd's keyboardist Rick Wright - RIP...)
I agree that the top portion of Echorec should be optionally hidden. I do see that the user interface is very approachable and after watching your video I feel I understand it almost completely. As a control freak, I want this immediately: I can tell it EXACTLY how many echoes to create, and how loud they will be, it will sync to tempo, and the tone controls appear to be just right. So you have sold me on this plugin! I will first check out their website and then probably just buy it because it ticks off all the boxes in what I have been looking for. Thanks for this!
Sounds great I’ll use it. Great video
A colapsed mode for the GUI with only the black plate would be better. Is it better than the Binson emulation by Overloud?
they wouldn't even have to skin a "vanilla" ui, they can define knobs, labels, fader etc. as such and each daw will visually interpret this on their own. Airwindows does this, its not a lot of work and in some daws this makes automating values easier
I think they should add the modern UI as a collapsable top window like they did on the Pulsar Massive. It would be great to have a visualization of the delay timing and filtering behind the dry signal.
I would love to see you put the GetGood Drums Smash & Grab plugin through your Snake Oil test!
It would have been useful to know how it stacks up to other tape delay plugins. Also, the way the tape speed affected frequency on your hardware unit, is that a desirable thing? Because, if not, there is no reason to put it on a plugin, even if you are trying to make a faithful recreation of the old hardware. Anyway, this does sound like it could be useful on more than just a few tracks.
I havent tried it yet but from the feature set one things is, more sync options (no dotted eighths) and a delay time read out, yeah maybe use you ears but typing in a delay time you want and tweaking from there can work really well.
15:50 "People listen with their eyes and not with the ears, and this is why we are making interfaces", i agree 100%, this is what i said to a lot of people, remember we are making music, not graphic design.
So why cant you do both? Snob
@@BugattiBoy01 You can do it of course, i mean, if you are inside a DAW you are making music, so you have to listen and forget about what you see.
I like your GUI collapsing and vintage vs. modern/clean/Fabfilter-like choice ideas.
It was pretty funny that you demo'd this on a vocal and not a guitar. Sounded pretty good to my ears!
i agree with your point that there should be options with analog interfaces and a more simplified fab filter like interface, but i think you constantly complain about GUI, without an understanding of why it is important. Its valuable to markteting, its valuable to some people who are used to analog and want it to look like what they're used to. Its a way of transition those people to digital by setting them at ease. Its also about encouraging creativity in some people by the aesthetic and "vibe" rather than cold menus and data. You want to focus on work flow, but most artistic types and really people in general judge with their eyes. If someone made you two sandwiches, both with all the same content, but one was made with detailed consideration for presentation, and the other was just thrown together into a paper bag, how would it make you feel? would you be as enthusiastic about trying the paper bag junk sandwich? Aesthetic does not mean quality by default, but it is valuable when trying to do anything related in sales and trying to catch the eye of consumers.
At the end of the day, it's a personal aesthetic preference, but at times I think that Wytse just doesn't understand the concept of that. And the concept that people like looking at analog interfaces, be it on the screen or on the hardware. They are pleasant to look at and can even add inspiration for music. And his constant repeats of interface rants in plugin reviews are honestly rather tiring. To the point that I just might watch his other things like console and hardware related stuff, along with general mastering vids and misc reviews, and skip the plugin reviews entirely.
Aesthetics costs performance, always ...and especially intuitive workflow.
If you do it long enough, you don't give a shit about aesthetics. This is all short-term marketing, probably because it doesn't sell as much as it looks.
It's the same with this plugin, all the aesthectics and supposedly a full emulation....and it's not.
@@Projacked1 Nope. Aesthetics doesn't always cost performance. That dependency varies on case-by-case basis and is not absolute. And besides, there are plenty of great emulations with analog-looking interfaces.
@@Projacked1 I think the flaw is the implication that many makers are intentionally trying to cover up flaws in their software by putting a pretty coat on it. I mean if every compressor came with some pull down menus and some flat sliders, how do makers appeal to consumers? how do they get people to try their product? How do they get their funding to make their products better over time? thats the long game. No company comes out with the best product ever, no updates, no v2, best product period first try. They evolve, and to do that as a new developer means getting customers. Satisfying those customers for now with what you can reasonably achieve with your technology and budget, and then building up new ideas and new innovations over time. Its a high bar to set when we say that companies need to come out of the gates with a better product than legacy companies that have history and far more captial from their history of products. Should they have new ideas? absolutely, but should we expect a fabfilter killer to emerge out of nowhere from version 1? I dont think so. To get them there, marketing, aesthetics and system are all valid parts to the ultimate goal.
@@TheNightquaker of course it does, it's software....it's the UI that causes most if not all interferences/ and processing. Even if you don't notice it. Take away the pimpy graphics and the performance doubles or more.
I close my eyes when I listen, no need for graphics.
4:27
Isn’t that applicable to your infatuation with designed GUI?
I like the sound of this plugin
Thanks for the review! I am a Studio One/Logic and was wondering if you would do some videos on you DAW and how you use it in conjunction with your analog equipment. forgive me if you have already made videos about them.
If you go behind your monitor ,there are some vents, this is where you put the oil in.
Add some snake oil to the plugin to loosen it up too
Reaper has an option to not use the ui at all just the adjustments
Honestly if i had the option between an analog-looking GUI vs a modern easy-to-use GUI i would go with the analog one every time. I really don't share your stance that plugins shouldn't look exactly like the analog hardware. I understand your point about efficiency, but the analog look is just fun. I don't have any analog gear and i enjoy geeking out over the analog emulations. It makes mixing more fun for me.
Sounds okay. But Soundtoys echoboy echorec (Binson clone) preset does approx. the same, while presenting many, many other delays in that Echoboy plugin
I think you missed important reason to keep simulation plugin like a real thing :) It is about learning curve for people who used actual hardware or own one (home many people has more than 1-3 hw 1176 for instance?). They can just start instantly work with it. But I fully agree with need to innovate not just copy the same thing again and again under different brands. And some of them are trying to do both. Trying to make soft clone of hardware but extending with new function or possibility. Like not fixed freq in soft, more choices, variations or even completely new mode not found in original hardware.
In addition to Valhalla Delay, check out Augustus Loop. Tape instead of disk, otherwise it does everything this Echorec sim will do and *much* more. If you know what the delay ratios on the Echorec taps are, it’s pretty easy to set up an “Echorec” preset on it. Only you get a plugin with a lot more capability (looping, long “frippertronic” delay times, digital/tape sim, complete control of filters, saturation, etc). IIRC it’s roughly the same price as this one too.
As one into 3D graphics as well, I had to pause and check, and yes - the rotation of the animation is also motion-blurred when it speeds up. They gave it their all (I'm sure someone responsible at the animation department goes "Someone noticed!!
@10:14 I thought I heard more low end saturation at 1/2 than at 1/8. At least to my ears. The 1/8 felt thinner to me. Maybe I missed your dry sarcasm, but it seemed to behave in much the same way as your were criticizing it.
Yeah, I tried it a few times, and I think there is a slight difference, but the thing is, the difference should actually be huge 😳
I know you hate photo realistic type interfaces. You make that clear on most every video. Personally, I do like interfaces that match the hardware that they are emulating. I'm not a fan of the Izotope style interfaces, though I use almost all their plugins. They feel a bit cold and sterile to me, but it's only a preference and has nothing to do with the sound. Speaking of which, I downloaded the demo of Echorec and spent a few minutes with it. I got instantly good results with it so i bought it.
I do like your videos but equating a photo realistic interface to snakeoil is a pretty big stretch. Anyway, thanks for the videos. They are entertaining if not always educational. :-)
Skip to 6:18 for the start of the video.
What I also think about analog looking interfaces, is that it's great for people who do like analog but can't afford, or take care of it.
i wonder how it compares to Audiority's and Overloud's versions ....... btw i like analog GUIs
Wondering that myself, I've been using Audiority's version and enjoy it.
I did extensive demoing between all 3 over a couple weeks, and in blind tests the Audiority was the most preferred, with the Pulsar being a pretty close 2nd.
The Overloud isn't bad or anything, but it has a more "digital" vibe than the Audiority and Pulsar versions. Not "digital" necessarily in terms of pure sound, but more so digital in the way that it behaves a little too cleanly and precisely.
The Audiority on the other hand behaves astonishingly like the analog tape delays I've owned in the past. I couldn't believe my ears.
All that being said, that's not a knock on the other companies' work.
For example, Overloud's GEM 670 (Fairchild 670) is my/our favorite Fairchild modeled plugin. And the Pulsar Mu (Manley Vari-Mu) is amazing.
Hope this helps give you some ideas and perspective!
tl;dr - All 3 are solid, pro level plugins that could be used to make hits, but to my ears, the Audiority comes away with the win.
@@ImagineRecordings thanx
Sounds actually pretty cool!
The spokesperson's explanatory answer to the analog-interface query was excellent, and perfectly persuasive. The realistic interface matters, and helps considerably; a so-called modern, sterile and spartan interface would certainly turn off potential users, including this one.
The comparison to Pro-Q is utterly inapt, as Pro-Q is not emulating analog hardware, and therefore has no referent on which to model its GUI.
I have a couple of these type, the IK T-Racks Binson and the McDSP EC300, which is my favourite because it has built in side-chain ducking, which is my favourite thing ever! I must have another half dozen I forgot about ;-)
Since 99% of plugin buyers have zero experience with the original hardware the idea that it will "help" the user understand "how or why" to get results is ridiculous. You can be sure that the "original" hardware would look completely different if the manufacturers did not have to worry about technical limitations or manufacturing costs - they would've been much more adventurous with their hardware designs both in "ergonomics" and excessive "bling" to make their product stand out on a shelf next to their competitors. Like the excessive use of chrome and tail fins in 1950s American cars ;-) Computer GUIs have no limits, and frankly, are most useful when they visualize parameters so well that you can achieve desired results even with the audio effect muted. FabFilter and Izotope are two brilliant examples... another is UVI - their Relayer Delay is the most comprehensive I've ever used AND it's GUI is outstanding (well worth a review!).
The spinning disc looks cool. I wonder if they modelled this thing in 3d and rendered it on 2d surface. What I would like in these skeudomorphic interfaces are spinbox controls under the knobs. So that you can click an up/down arrow and even change the actual nummerical value with the keyboard. Software synthesizers often have the same design ethos as effect plugins, a lot of eye candy but not always easy to use. Personally I think Korg does a reasonble job at finding the balance between pretty looking and easy using. I use quite a few of their iPad apps like iM1 and iWavestation and Gadget. With Gadget the controls can sometimes be a bit finnicky with the touch screen but their wavestation app is really well done when it comes to sound editing, you can kind of manupilate the parameters like fabfilter.
Somethimes and old windows 95 interface (like the airwindows plugins) will do just fine, as a structural engineer I often work with a program called "Technosoft Raamwerken" which still looks like a windows 95 program but it works really well and is easy and fast to use. If I look at old school daw's like Cubase on the Atari, the design was very simple but also functionally designed. The technical restrisctions of the monochrome low-res display forced the developers to think about the design in a functional way and not waste the screen real estate with eye candy.
Sounds really good... Thanks
I think you can get the sound you want with just a bit of tweaking the controls. Nice video.
I’m thinking of getting this one as it’s on sale. I have a million delays including the Audiority but I DO like the Pulsar Mu and Smasher. I’m also about to do a 100 in 100 days effects pedals and plugins challenge for my new channel so could use all the vibey delays available! Any thoughts on this versus the Audiority or Valhalla?
Hey Wytse! Great review. Tell me where I can get vocals you used in video? You said it’s from your royalty free pack. Love the vocals!
Thanks for like tho lol
I think it sounded incredible
You have it wrong with the Dynacord - the tape goes clockwise - three record heads and two replay heads!
please, stop
i understand your why you claim every analog-like user interface, but you just waste time
like 8 min of video just introduction and joking on user interface and other 8 - the test itself
some people love to see interfaces like this and you can't do nothing with this
and all this companies just trying give them what they want
One suggestion to White Snake, instead of going off on the UI is to suggest they create an ALT UI. It would have taken 43 seconds.
Part of the appeal of a realistic looking interface is it makes the user feel they could operate a real analog version of the effect if they come upon one.
I have a few Echorec plugs to compare this to (Audiority, DDMF, Overloud etc), and this one is my favorite out of all of them. Honestly, UI preferences aside, it just sounds better. Pulsar's other plugs are fantastic sounding as well, imo.
I think this thing sounds good. There are quite a few tape delay emulaions out there but not many Echorec's and this is a good one. Pulsar have taken the time with the sound as well as the look (which is important too for a vintage gear guy like me). One thing missing is a standalone version for those who just want to plug into it. Hide half GUI is a good idea. You review should also see what the tube drive control is like on a guitar or synth signal. How many parameters are midi controllable (I would assume all but hey).
for more interesting options you can have a skwiz at the overloud echoson..the've taken the binson further with additional parameters and fun sound twistiness...!!??
anywho..check it out..cheers..Ty from s.oz
Where is that acapella from?? Thanks
Being a huge Pink Floyd fan I love this plugin. I want it to look like the real thing. It gives me inspiration.
I have this plug and pair it with Arturia's Farfisa all the time.
Would be cool if plugin makers had an option in the plugin to go from the skeuomorphic analog metal box skin to a simple 2D skin for people who can hear the difference and don't need the visual hints to tell them what to hear.
I'm dying to know how you play music through your studio monitors and we don't hear it through your voice mic???
Voice audio gets recorded to a separate recorder. Screen capture software only records the computer audio. Switch back and forth between audio tracks during video editing.
Effectrode is working on a Binson Echorec inspired delay (not a plugin), they've been at it for a while but I think it's gonna be interesting what kind of design they come up with.
i agree with the wasted space , would be good to be a collapsable like the abby roads reverb plug-in etc
Wytse, can't mention this enough, but maybe do some review on the Dutch company Toneboosters(especially their reelbus4 plugin). Simple Gui, low price, high quality.
I get your aversion to this kind of GUI and your opinion is always respected. But...you know, the look is always part of the deal. Fabfilter didn't try to emulate something existing, they gave you the best and most versatile tools possible. So what else should their plugins look like than the way they do? Of course, even their GUI had been designed to be appealing. They could have done it like Chris from Airwindows or all those JSFX in Reaper. The reply you got via e-mail is actually pretty good (I was surprised they worked for Arturia, too). I am totally in love with Arturia's compressors and yes, the GUI is a part of the user experience.
Look, try to see it this way:
I love the behaviour of the dbx 165a, so I wanted a plugin that behaves the same. I wanted to walk on the same road to get to the desired sound, with all the buttons and placements of the knobs. That is part of my workflow. So why should I be forced to get used to a new interface although I know and love the old one, just because it all went digital? Sure, rust and dust and all that is pretty useless...but take it as an expression of love. It is a tribute.
If I need an innovative EQ I grab the fabfilter and don't care how it looks. If I need the sound and workflow of a 1073, I grab a plugin of a 1073, with all the expected and desired restrictions - and I take the familiar look as a bonus because I know in a second were I am and what to set.
That's why digitalized instruments in aircraft cockpits resemble the old look of circular instruments.
EDIT: you MUST try Arturia's compressors!
That GUI reminds me of the song Merry Go Round by Wild Man Fischer.
I like using good looking plugins.
It's actually kinda true, this whole visual marketing point. The best tape emulation on the market is the AirWindows one, but hardly anybody knows this guy, and I am sure one of the reasons is because he literally has *no* interface, he just uses the default sliders that come from the VST GUI in the SDK. He even has some motto around this, but I can't remember it. Anyway, what I like about this vintage emulation craze in plugins is not so much whether or not they are perfect representations, but that they do have color, and you can use it for that, not like the original unit, but as a new thing altogether. Also, what is nice about plugins is that they work, contrary to a lot of vintage hardware units people have at home or in the studio, which is I am sure the reason you did not compare it to your hardware tape delay :p
So it needs disc diameter and tape head spacing controls. Maybe next version.
A nice idea to have a stats about the 3d use case! Another cool idea for a vst Demo, with 3D design, would be to destroy parts of it by time. Pickups fall down, knobs break, starts to steam. But you can repair it by clicking of different parts or knobs and you get working again. None knows when the demo period is over, but anytime it's. This is how you develop a relationship with the device because you kept fixing it. In the end you will buy it! This is how "games to pay for" working as well.
ON the GUI, if you are emulating a peice of hardware, surely if you make the interface different to how the hardware looked, it would be confusing to use and then not 'authentic' to the original hardware. FabFilter doesn't emulate specific hardware so can be experimantal with their interface.. and it works a treat. I dont mind either unless it (as you also say) impacts usability. Great review.
To think you can make a decision and not be influenced by what you're seeing seems naive to me, even if you're confident enough to trust your ears. I like setting the parameters on a plugin blind (turning of the screen, turning a linked rotary encoder without feedback), because I will often set them a lot more extreme and than when looking at the dials, just based on how exciting something sounds. Despite knowing this I cannot *not* be influenced by leaving the visual feedback on.
I *do* like fabfilter UIs very much, and I'm not particularly into hardware emulation UIs with scratches and screws on them. I'm just disagreeing with a general statement you made during minute 4:00.
i have a binson echorec it sounds good if it is working, but you need to oil the disc to avoid friktion on the tape-heads, without let oil on the drivewheel, what always happens and causing massiv wow and flutter ... i hate it .... i consider buying the plugin
weltfremd That’s terrible. You really should sell it and buy a plug-in. Don’t worry, I’ll buy it from you!!
Definitely useful plugin. The overdrive sounds very tape like. But .... if they'd force the user to clean the heads and to oil the mechanics, it would be the first and long awaited tamagotchi plugin in vst and au format. Hehe
you would like ValhallaDelay
amazing sound and no nonsense UI
Love your vids! If I may request a video/content... Dither and dither plugins
Thanks. There's lots of choices now out there for tape delay/echo. PlexiTape by Audiority is my personal fav and I'd love to see you do a snake oil vid for it (it's NOT snake oil by the way!)
I think you're got it the wrong way around Wyste, they make plugins to look like this because that's what the majority of people want because human beings (in general) like things to look nice and appealing. If you're a Reaper user I totally get it, looks don't matter. That's why after trying Reaper I chose Studio One, it does everything really well and... it looks nice. 😎
How to make your own delay with a loop back connection in a vst patchbay or vst rack ? That would be cool but i cant fix this.
Just one repeat with a standard delay, than a tape or tube emulation, a EQ and a limiter for safety.
Gimmi, gimmi, gimmi dah answer.
Oh, and I saw Valhalla Delay mentioned here... simple but great user interface, and I believe, awesome sound!
You might like.
I like and use both analog looking plug-ins and the fab filter more 'modern digital' looking plugins. I do agree that sometimes the vintage looking ones can be annoying to turn a knob because you have to go left or right when up or down feels more intuitive on some. The waves API eqs come to mind. I do however think you are missing the point on why people including myself like those vintage style faces. Most of us probably, even though I do run a small professional studio, will never be able to afford loads of Neve, Urei or Abbey Roads gear and this allows people to somewhat buy into the history of music production and feel they can be familiar with the gear without ever owning the physical unit. From experience too, I can say that having used a plugin emulation and then using the real thing, you feel like you have a head start and know what knob is what..
there are two sides of guis... the thing with modern digital GUIs are they need to be designed very well in terms of functionality and information and useability and useage (workflow etc) and also aesthetics (they are often more importend then someone might think... also because aesthetics can also be kind of a guide like colorcoding differend aspects and so on) ... if the digital GUI is well designed... then they are a joy to use... however there are also some plugins.. were the design isn't very well done... and the useability becomes a struggle...
"analog" guis on the otherhand they mught not give the functionality and informative and fast was of use like a well designed modern gui .. but are often more safe not to create a complete mess... so still beeing more or less intuitive to use...
and I can imagine to develop and design a good modern GUI .. can be harder then design an analog GUI... the analog GUI might be more work in terms of art.. to make it nice... but in terms of thinking and use and so on... a modern GUI can be quite hard to do it right I can imagine... because it almost goes into some kind of psychological behavior analysis or so.. with what most of our brains can work best and so on...
Love how you talk about the BS of interfaces. I get sucked in sometimes especially with UAD. When I play with Ableton i don't have that issue. The built in effects sound excellent to me but have no special interface. It really is mindset.
On the actual plugin. Sounds good, wouldn't have known about it unless I saw this video, but $109 is too steep for me for now. At the same time if it was any less I wouldn't trust it lol. Psychology is funny isn't it?
I think it sounds fantastic. Is there just a tape effect with no delay ?
Hey, why don't you check out the Arousor by Empirical Labs. Considering they make the distressor and assuming that you've used one before it'd be nice to hear your opinion on it. I for one just got it and think it sounds AMAZING and for once I understand what you mean when you say something gives the sound more depth! Unlike a lot of compressor plugins you can clearly tell that it has its own vibe and sound and the way you can smash a signal with it is really cool and gives some pretty wicked results!
The Binson Echorec is a mechanical tape delay, not analog.
that drive/distortion was pretty cool, at least over youtube.
It's as simple as putting an alternative and easy to use GUI with simple controls (DMG do this very well) on every plugin yo make.
Sounds pretty cool!! Do you remember if it was CPU hungry?
What they should really do is allow a way to make 3rd party skins like in Reaper. If they don't have the time to build a second interface then make that aspect open source... it's just a few parameter sliders, it can't be that difficult to facilitate.
Ableton sort of has it, you can set all parameters to appear inside device box and make it default. Lot of plugs are pre mapped like that too
@@kaitsu9608 that's true. I used Ableton for years and had to abandon it because of stability issues in 10 and could never go back because workflow for mixing in Reaper is so much smoother. Proves it's a fairly simple thing to translate parameters to simple sliders, though.
I love echoboy but its a bit dark sometimes, all I need is a good DMM, KORG SDD3000 and Echorec plugin, this is a start in one of them!