My ultimate goal is to enjoy progression, so i like it when quests, rather than outright giving you a huge useful reward ITEM, open you up to Postquest Content to complete.
The issue with low requirements for quests is that new and returning players have so many things to do right at that moment rather than things to look forward to. Desert treasure is an old quest to old players but is a new experience to a new player who has never done it before. Instead, now there’s a bajillion things someone can do at a lower level that it just overwhelms a new player. I think the best way to go about this is similar to the pontifex ring like was mentioned, but more importantly massively overhauling the path system.
I can say that this is a project being done behind the scenes, requiring a lot of time. Theres more news for returning / new players soon. Keep an eye on discord
This is something I talk about A LOT. Even the interfaces are extremely overwhelming. I get very overwhelmed everytime I take a long break and come back.
i have my quest cape and i don’t share RS Guy fact of space skipping quest.. it would need pages of dialogue to explain just how good and rich runescape lore and quest development is… PROPS TO EVERYONE THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT 👏🏼
I think it's worth mentioning how upper management said that newer content needs to have some accessibility to the majority of the playerbase. This is why gwd3 has less quest requirements and gwd, and has "easy modes." I appreciate how jagex can at least still give something to the players that play regularly like hard mode and other new gear and training methods. I think this should be brought up everytime someone mentions gwd3 as "mid level" content.
I like the easy mode versions of ed3 bosses as it can be a good springboard to get players into the content. As long as we can still get hardmode to challenge us.
I am not opposed to them having a "Practice mode" or even "Story Mode" like how Elite Dungeons has, but making specific end game rewards available to mid tier PvM shouldn't be available.. These sort of things are game breaking issues presently. I understand having that comfort to learn but its very problematic and demotivating for players who go to more difficult bosses to feel less rewarded for something that is no longer useful to them at all.
I think the situation with the comp cape accurately reflects how the rest of the game design is having an identity crisis. Changes are being made, they're attempting to modernize and improve it, but a lack of commitment and vision for what the game NEEDS to be is holding that progress back. The inability to decide if Comp capes should be progression indicators (demonstrating various levels of 'completionism"), or just a representation of playstyle (going grindy content) is just another example of how Runescape isn't really sure of what "Runescape" is supposed to be.
To add, Comp cape is not as prestigious as it used to be anymore, it only reflects one is capable of playing the game to such extent and not every player in game has the commitment to do so, there's even content creators who already said they have no interest in getting comp, i believe only Twitch streamers and pvm'ers have comp, at least the popular ones (edit: on the content creation sphere). Also, consider the following: How many players in the Max Guild actually have a Quest Cape (let alone MQC), how many of them are interested in getting Comp? The game does a bad job in setting goals for the players and i get it, the freedom to do whatever you feel like is there, but when the game doesn't even have a clear tutorial to tell new players what to do, it's no surprise it fails to guide maxed players onto their next goal. There's a reason many, many reddit posts ask for guidance and ask people what they did after max or how do people introduce their friends to the game for the first time (because out tutorial is all over the place).
The original comp cape rework design would have been so good in fixing all this - 3 tiers of capes in each section of the achievements similar to the diary task sets, then you get the 'overall' cape (comp section) if you do all of that tier in all the other sections. Regular comp would be all the 'easy' tier achievements in every section, "comp+" as Mod Jack is calling it in this video would be all the 'medium' tier achievements, and trim would be all the hard tier.. But too many people thought that was confusing somehow and we ended up with just removing castle wars and reaper.
@@djert24 I didn't find the dungeoneering ones that bad, just finding pages and doing the sagas, right? A few of the pages took a little while longer than expected (mostly the ones that only come from specific bosses) but those could easily be improved with a new reward space to increase or guarantee page drops - possibly a motherlode maw enhancer or a high lvl invention consumable rather than completely removing the req.
@@djert24 They shouldn't remove anything, if anything they should be continuing to add more. They need to bring the "dead" content back to life and give players a reason to do it as opposed to just making it easier to get something that is supposed to be impressive and prestigious.
I feel like comp is in need of a major rework for sure. I'm 4 requirements away from my comp cape. The only problem I'm really having is the speed of ports and other time gated requirements (some of which I had no clue were time gated i.e. in memorial of the myreque). The biggest problem with doing achievements are the older achievements(bones to peaches for example) They're not worth doing from a casual standpoint. I've achieved comp max and I'm not gonna be going to gwd3 and using bones to peaches for food. I think what would be beneficial in the long run would to do one thing. Era(or tiered) Completionist capes. Now hear me out. You could do different levels of the comp cape based on a time frame, i.e putting all the older content in one tier(bones to peaches, livid farm, so on so forth)on top of the basic comp requirements (Quest cape, master skiller, taskmaster,music maestro) to award you a basic completionist cape. Then do another tier that's a step up from that has time gated content, or grindier things. You could add rewards upon completing each tier of completionist (Cosmetic upgrades and even stat upgrades) and at certain points, be able to take the idea from osrs of adding lets say...the inferno cape to your max cape to make it inherit the stats and provide a cosmetic upgrade. you could add this with each tier, being able to add kiln capes(or your zuk capes) to your comp cape to upgrade it(and they also inherit the effects of said cape). By adding tiers or era's, a player can be awarded a completionist cape and keep it forever. The choice would be theirs to pursue the tier upgrades until they reach trimmed completionist. some rewards I think would be cool (cosmetic wise) is upon getting to a tier, you would get an untradeable treasure trail Cape dye(Barrows, shadow, ice, blood, the works). to add as a color option to your comp cape. The comp cape could also feature extra cosmetics as well, like adding symbols(like on skillcapes) to show...like, i've achieved 120 in all skills or something along the lines, maybe even be able to add veteran capes to the comp cape to unlock the age symbols. This would also make things possible, for a true trimmed cape. By doing things this way, it wouldn't take away the difficulty, but rather break things down, and give that sense of progression.
As a comp onwer; older achievements are fun to see the history of runescape. yes is not usefull anymore in rs3 but for me it gives a look in the past(see old school were it is used at bosses to prolong runs). but im a lorehound :) time gated reqs are annoing if they are the last ones to do. maybe a guide to start them earlier could help.
@@worried189brick2 Depends on your levels and gear... Many don't have time to grind the best gear. Less merch it. Also: fk Arraxor and Morvan's task of string boss kills.
You know, as for quest locked things go, this didn't seem to be much of a problem in the past. There are certainly many possible reasons for that, but I think the big one is that we're doing half to a third of the quests we used to get every year. It's understandable you want the most people doing the newest updates, and when you put that in the context of 2-4 quests a year, it's easy to see how we got here. When it was 5-8 quests a year, that allows you to make quest-locked content and quests with much more lax requirements.
Thanks for fixing volume. I play since 2006 and my issue is that I need to complete a lot of dead content because I skipped it back then. Ryan also views content from person who made their job to play this game but a lot of us cant put 10hrs a day like we used to do in elementary school anymore.
I comp'ed years ago (literally hours before invention release) and Reaper was the big thing that kept me away from comp for so long. It wasn't due to lack of skill, it was due to lack getting people to take me to each boss. I found groups, but they didn't want to take someone with 0kc. I'm glad that it's no longer a comp req, even though I have no plans on comping again on my new character
yeah you gotta have heaps of friends that can do all content and im one of the lucky ones to have 10+ regulars in our discord vc chat so we just do our own raids and group content lol
Sadly I had the same issue, I ended up paying a PVM Leech group to take me to Solak and Vorago just for the reason you mentioned. Then of course after they went away with the requirement. Ironic.
I miss quests that have a high combat requirement. My favourite quests are things like desert treasure and while guthix sleeps. Low quest requirements makes me feel like my invested time in making my character max level as pointless. The game should have a progression through its quests, and I think jagex has forgotten that their high level players want quests that challenge them.
With the addition of the infernal box I'd like to see a change to the adrenaline urn and maybe relic power. Now the adrenaline retention upgrade has been released again for wilderness content.
I feel like I'd be all about having a quest with extremely high skill reqs similar to how the light within was when that came out. We have gone so far in that I feel like a hard req of 85-90 skill reqs would be fitting for an endgame quest with super strong rewards
i think a good thing that would make questing better going forward. is shortcuts unlocked by a higher lvl in a stat. Say you have to collect bonemeal and with a lower lvl in herblore(lets say 35) the standard way would be to go to ecto altar(i dont remember if this was correct^^). But since you have a higher herblore level(lets say 75). You now know that the shells from the nearby turtles, can be grinded down in a pestle and mortar to make a good substitute. a way to include time saves into a quest, other than just bringing items you bought on the GE
Another thing to mention is that voice acted quests are much more engaging than non voice acted ones. People feel more invested when they dont neccessarily have to read the dialogue and are instead immersed. I didnt skip through a single line of dialogue during The Needle Skips quest. The Voice acting was marvelous and I was touched by the story deeply.
With the "million pigeons" was her referring to the GTA IV trophy where you have to find 200 hidden pigeons around the map which did feel like a million, because he did say platinum trophy too which you get on playstation
I'd like to see that, maybe not a Comp Guild per say, but a second floor to the Max Guild (it's already a big building so it fits architecturally speaking). Its contents are open for discussion but should include all popular facilities to make it worthy of the Comp Cape.
I’m personally not a big fan of the idea of adding a comp guild or even a second level to max guild that only comp players can enter can have access to exclusive content or training methods or whatever. I’m not going to add anything that comp players should have additionally because honestly I can’t think of anything that they should have instead of maybe being able to add more than 3 cape perks like max cape can. Maybe increase it to 4 for comp and 5 for trimmed?
I don’t think bossing is necessarily the issue with comp. At least in my case it isn’t about learning the bosses, I have completed almost all solo bosses and wish all bosses were able to be solo’d, but the social aspect when learning a group boss is hard for me. I have huge social anxiety to begin with and this translates into making it very difficult to learn a group boss. First by actually meeting a group whom will accept a learner and then dealing with the stress of not letting the group down. I have always been of the mind that comp reqs shouldn’t have been changed but the approach to group bosses should be looked at. I know I may be a singular person and jag ex needs to market to the masses but I am putting this out there just in case there are others with my similar issue and we have a voice in this. I just think Jag missed the mark on saying some want minimal requirements to get comp and I don’t feel that’s true. Like my reason above, maybe mechanics need to be addressed to make content more available.
Very interesting! Was hoping for some insight into my favorite cape, the MQC, and why it requires high level slayer monster drops, a Nex AoD kill, entering the Vorago fight, etc.
"Our players are filthy casuals and they want to put the least amount of work into a cape meant for completionists" Also pretending that City of Senntisten required completion of all the quests in the story... good one
Should the "Completionist" Cape still be called that if it isnt actually what it means. When it was initially brought out there wasnt all this focus on high end pvm and bossing, so it made sense for what it was. I think raids coming out was when the problems started. I still think Reaper Crew should be a requirement for trim though.
That's why some people don't take Comp Cape seriously nowadays, it should be retconned to "Most-of-it cape" if Jagex insist in keeping more and more content separated from "completionism". Reaper Crew got removed because, apparently, people don't like to PVM and most of them are average 02:00 GWD2 Killtime Players or Animate Dead + FSOA "Helmet Players". So asking them to kill every boss in game and, socialize a little for group bosses, is a tall order.
@@Kranon wouldn't even say "most" to be honest, If i had to make a personal estimate as a current Comp Owner myself, Id estimate maybe tops 20% of the game, majority of it being useless requirements and not even things players push to achieve. its primarily Skills maxed, Ports majority complete, normal Quest Cape, Music and Achievement Diary. realistically could add sooo many different things, but even if they just required 1 boss kill of each boss (Reaper Crew), and like 1 bit of each piece of content (even if we as players don't like everything, doing it each once or small amount isn't terrible) such as Minigames, even playing them each once.. like how hard is that... It atleast defines being the Completism it is.
Is there a way to categorize quests like these 4 r Romeo and Juliet quests or some way were you know what quests to complete for the full story or is that already ig?
I'm not even close to comping, not even max yet. But when I found out that they removed the reaper req from completionist I thought it was very strange? I mean I understand some players aren't in it for pvm but like you should have to kill every boss at least once to comp. So much of the recent content revolves around end game pvm so it seems weird that you can be "completionist" and skip all of that content. I don't like doing a lot of the grinds needed for comp but at some point I'll have to do it regardless. You don't need to get achievements for 2k or 4k enrage telos but I mean just kill them once.
We need this Trim Comp Plus for the pvming content! NEED IT! I'm not even that much of an active bossier anymore, but the removal of Reaper from comp would a major knock to those of us that completed it before. Even moving it to trim would've been a great idea. The comp rework that was supposed to happen was my most anticipated thing in years, was so upset when it didn't happen, the designs for the capes alone made me so happy. Would love to see an addition to trim to add more requirements and content, it would push me to experience more, and as someone who struggles with finding what to do next, it would be perfect!
Exp rewards from quests getting bigger over time???? Meanwhile Twilight of the Gods gives 60k exp.... Horrible. Require a player to have 2m exp in divination to do the quest, then give them a 30k xp lamp...
It's been literal years since i bothered or remotely cared about XP, so i don't understand what's the big deal of Quests giving XP, if it's a Maste or Grandmaster quest it's logical it gives bunch of xp but is not an obligation.
Id have to agree with @Cecil here, honestly XP is not really a major concern because majority of playerbase has already achieved the XP required, by this point its just not nessessary to worry about, even newer players if you look up optimal guides, can easily max an account within no time.
Twilight of the Gods is more about the Zamorak damage reduction than the token XP rewards. There are enough XP handouts these days for you to get 80 div. Even my brother who plays twice a year has that.
Its astounding to me who has played over the games entire life and not given a damn about the quests when they seemed like side storys to now finding the main story more compelling than most mmos.
@@Laoboy9 people (specially on reddit) already lambast you for suggesting Comp Cape should be, at the very least, slightly better than MAX cape. IDK. maybe hold a different set of perks or have a 4th additional perk slot exclusive to it? But noooooo! Let's complain about MTX instead of the actually interesting topics like comp cape.
i think comp should stay as is, add a gilded comp cape to include some low level pvm achievements as well as some more non pvm achievements, add some higher level pvm achievements to the trimmed comp. Then add a true trim which is literally everything. the problem with comp as a whole is that there is only 2 tiers which encompass a huge range of achievements, some people dont want to do some and want to do others and i think the completionist system should reflect that and respect that some players just dont enjoy some content. in a perfect world you would have many different capes of accomplishment like a multi-tiered pvm cape but obviously that might not be viable
I think the comp requirements are decent atm, but please get rid of the ports trio mission. getting from max to all comp requirements takes less time than completing the ports achievement alone. the reefwalker cape is an example of the 2 levels, reefwalker is fine for comp and you know how ports works like you mentioned. the trio misison doesnt fit in the requirement list IMO. Balance the 2 levels out, Id like to see more trim requirements in the comp list, but in lower numbers so it makes sense.
Well that's too bad because someone chose him as a member of the P.A.G team (that's Player Advocacy Group). So he's the player's voice and we should like him for that, says there on the fine print.
@@Akashic_Monk do you not like the content or do you just not like ryan? i personally dont care for some content creators but i like what they bring to the table
Comp cape is locked behind barbarian assault music, of which is a dead mini-game, could we change the music to be unlocked in the lobby of barbarian assault instead of wave 10. Thanks
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Or fix up mini games, allow some of them to be F2P, allow people to play SOLO against the AI or something and make the rewards better.
The real question is why isnt there a comp cape for doing all normal and miniquests and all area tasks, and 99/120 all skills? Bc to me thats beating runescape at least at a minimalist level
is it posible to do something about the microphone that's used for the mods? i noticed in previous episodes as well that they are sometimes a bit low. In case of the mod in this episode who has a bit of a low toned voice and sometimes mumbles a bit, it gets really hard to hear what he is saying. It's almost like we can hear the vibration of his chest. specially for people with slight hearing problems or people like me who are not native English speakers this can be problematic. Specially because the parts that are hard to understand are also not picked up properly by the subtitles.
Absolute ridiculousness that after returning to old school runescape after perhaps 10 years I've been perma banned without appeal for nothing. It seems this has happened a large swayve of their player base. The runescape team who deal with bans are woefully inept.
I played RS3 and stuck by it through EOC, I’m nearly comped (2 tasks left one of them time gated) but it just feels like lately all these updates have become dull due to the lack of “grinding.” It’s what made the game so unique in its own right. It just feels like it’s devalued my own achievements. It’s because of the devaluations it’s turned me off from RS3 and took osrs a lot more seriously, I appreciate the grind it gives because it takes hours on end to reach those milestones and there’s rewards that show for it.
This devalue as time goes on, thats life. Most people don't want to do useless grinds, things that aren't fun, and things that don't give good rewards.
@@LuckyXCIII but that's the issue, instead of replacing it by grinds more enjoyable or rewarding to make it feel better they are just continuously making it easier or more afk making people quit faster because there's nothing left to do.
Pursuing the comp cape is boring, I stopped playing two months ago, someday I'll probably get my guy out and play him again but after I maxed out my stats the game just got to be boring, I'm just burned out on the same old thing every day for 14 years. Not that there is a better game, there probably isn't, but there are different games, and right now I'm bored and want something different. See you around RS, I'm sure someday I'll be ready to mess with it again... Someday.
maybe comp pre combat could be untrimed just have the diffrent design then with reaper would get the current comp cape then total comp would be trimmed comp just an idea though since max and comp capes have diffrent designs
There will always be people who complain about things. Combat as a requirement for comp should never have been taken out. Comp shouldn't be about grinding a thousand pigeons for the sake of that, but if there rewards or unlocks that are grind then it's included. This change should have never have taken place. If non pvmer want a cape with particles then by all means make one, and include it in the reqs for comp.
i get the sentiment but i kinda disagree as well, comp cape is basically runescapes version of achievment completionists on say steam or any game, so if i use Borderlands 2 for example (a game i have all the achievements for) one of the achievements is to kill terramorphis the invinsible but that doesnt mean i have to go kill terramorphis the invincible on lvl 80 Overpower level 10 (hardest difficulty) meaning i can go back as a lvl 80 character and kill the lvl 50 terra on the easier difficulty for the achievement. runescape has no system for that, not every boss has a "story mode" to be able to complete. Say the devs want to make a boss thats near impossible and only the top 2% of players will ever kill, its not very rewarding drops wise but its an achievement for pvmers to say "i am good at pvm" if thats then put on comp cape you have now locked out 98% of players from EVER being able to get the cape and even locked out a large portion of players who already had the cape from ever getting it back. to me completionist cape should be like ahievement systems in games like my BL2 example, cool you have 75/75 achievements and finished the main story congratulations you have "completed" borderlands 2.
IMO the comp came should be fully completing every single last bit of content in the game. Instead of removing things from the requirements, and screwing over those who had to do those things, they should revitalize the "dead" content and give players a reason to do them again.
In that case, let's keep Max and Comp cape perk slots separated. Oh, and add a reward to the Treasure Trail store that also separates the cape perks from the GT Backpack. That way you can have 3 different set of perks for all kind of activities.
in my opinion, make comp cape have a yearly update for requirements instead of every new update comes out. make some of them essentials like (max skill, all quests, all tasks). and the rest requirements be based on last year events/updates (not something that is 10 years old or dead content)
i personally believe they need to remove mini games stuff from comp/trim, Barb assault has been dead for so long that only way its possible is if you pay for it, which then leaves it up to trust trading these discords and fcs to actually do the service or be scammed trying.
@@pupupupu448 Because the board of directors is sucking the soul out of the game and want to focus on bs like MTX despite the constant complaining from the devs and playerbase. Gowers never should have sold, even Paul regrets it 😢.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Paul regretted it the day MTX was announced, it was one of the major reasons each of the brothers left afterwards even though they still worked there. It happens though realistically the Gower brothers couldn't financially and mentally continue to handle it's growth in the state that it was and desperately needed more assistance and eventually opted to sell it out.
Over 3100 HM glacor kills, max enrage 2000%, had 1 core drop, damn nearly made me quit after 17 years of playing, pleas please please rework glacor drops. it is hands down one of the if not the worst boss in rs for loot. By far the most demotivating boss.
Why would make this stuff easy and less requirements but more rewarding? so the past few million accounts/players who struggled or put the effort to get satisfaction for the reward will see it as not unique or special since many more who have to put less out to get the same reward. At least make a different cape/title for those who get the stuff pre-nerf. If there is no struggle or effort put into progression there is no satisfaction in progression/achievements. This could kill the active player base, even though the player base is already lower then it was once before.
If you struggle to get like 75 construction or whatever, you don't deserve to do the quest. There's no reason why when Jagex is handing out so many XP bonuses, so many oddments, constant extended DXP events, anyone should be struggling to meet quest skill requirements. The game is about skilling. That's what RuneScape is. Anything less is just Jagex trying to make the game more accessible to people who don't appreciate or understand it
Completionist should encompass ALL Game Major Achievements, CASE CLOSED, the ones that are so painfully excluded are: - Reaper Crew. - Quest Cape. - ''at least" 20,000 Runescore. While Trim should also have: - MQC. - 30,000 Runescore. Things like clue, pvm, skilling titles are just cherry on tops. Additionally, we should have a modern achievement system that allowed us to filter all achievements by points, that way we can focus on doing the ones we feel are easier/faser or harder/slower in any order we'd like. And maybe add more achievements to Steam???
30k runescore and I'll quit. Idm newer reqs being introduced.. But 30k runescore, no Trim Cape is already very time consuming to get and maintain. Now what they could have done is to make it more desirable to get. Like making it possible to "upgrade" it, where the player get access to change the particle effect on it. Say each 200M skill unlocks the particles for said skill to be used with the trimmed cape. Make 5.6B/max xp grant the player to use 2-3 different particles to customize it. Just make it more desirable to achieve trim Cape or even go for 200M in any skill. This would increase the activity within getting the capes and will make the content around these achievements more played. Which also would give the developers any reasons to go back to old content to rework it for the better, cause now suddenly more players are playing it. TLDR; So instead of making it harder.. Why not improve and add possible extra achievements around the already existing content?
Same with pvm... Make a reaper achievement path for grinding pvm achievements with fun achievements like restricted weapons/no food kills and whatnot for a normal reaper and trimmed reaper achievement goals. Make the trimmed version with the idea of "that's pretty much impossible, but it could.." in the devs minds. Like, just have fun with it
Agree with this. There should be three capes 1. comp for doing all content at least a little include reaper. 2. Trim including mqc, the medium grinds like runespan, shattered hearts, globetrotters outfit. 3. True trim ifb, golden reaper, castle wars, clue logs etc.
Maybe that's because you're running the ideas for that content by so tiny a group of your favorite players instead of the entire community as a whole? What the hell ever happened to polls? You'll never get a majority of the players to participate and vote on anything but it's still way better than just a handful of your loyal yes-men who think whatever you do is perfect because they get perks for being friends with you.
Yeah. The high end tiny group of favorite players mostly focus on stuff that keeps them the top, keep things their way and whatever. They want updates, content that benefits them, keeps them in the spotlight and all the attention. IN EVERY MMO GAMES the creators only listen to a handful of people(Streamers) and the people who follow the streamers.
Comp cape shouldn't even be a thing. Why? Jagex is just gonna crank out more BS in the future which make you lose YOUR Comp cape and you have to earn it back by doing the BS Jagex put in. Jagex repeat it again and you repeat it again. Endless cycle. What I wanna see are overcoats. Instead of just having Capes we should have overcoats. The Japanese call it Haori. The type of coat that Samurai wear and on the back of the coat(Haori)will have their lord's crest or whatever. So in our case...Attack symbol, Firemaking or whatever symbol.
you mean what Jagex call a skill cape.... we have this already. Completionist is more of a Cosmetic to show off you have participated in all portions of the game, but presently only represents 20% of the content within the game. its very poorly designed atm.
@@Malzra I'd say he's proba paid, there's so many things wrong yet he's not getting that point through... He needs to remember there not his friends. The current state of RuneScape is simply a joke... Majority of people are at world 84 bank standing and afking and hardly interacting with the game and that's simply what the game has become. Theres nothing new with RuneScape , all content they give out is literally slowly dead content, just look at all the minigames... There all dead content unless it's focused on a special minigame for that week... And when it is it's just people that afk there too... The game is literally to be afked while you play another game. They need to stop giving out these crummy updates and instead make a MASSIVE CHANGE, not like the crummy wilderness change...what a joke that was. Being a player that played back in 2006 it's sad to see the game so distorted and dead.
@@breach8813 where I agree with your view of what the game has become, i don't reall have a positive or negative opinion about Ryan. I do however feel he doesn't press the appropriate concerns as far as they need to be pushed. whoever voted him to be the voice for the community clearly wasn't the community.
I see no value in comp cape so long as it fails to recognise bossing as a completionsist requirement. RS3 consistently lets down its high effort playerbase in favour of catering to the low effort playerbase. Where are the aspirational goals? Where is the wow factor? Comp is just entirely unimpressive.
@@cubedpotatoeshd2479 I expected them to actually go over some interesting subjects, like why they don't add any of the new content to the capes, even though it makes perfect sense for it to be a requirement, or elaborate more on the state of trim
I literally don't care about quests... I only do them because stuff is often locked behind a chain of them. I wish there was a flowchart of what quests require what other quests, so I can see what I've finished and what not. It's just a cluster of stuff I don't want to waste my time on right now.
@@davidcarey6923 which should also be in game for convenience. Surely it shouldn't be too difficult to copy paste the info somewhere in game? Maybe put it inside the Varrock Museum?
@@Kranon exactly this. I also don't want to have to start checkmarking everything, when in game this could happen automatically. They should just do a minor questing rework. There's a couple things I would change: -add a list of items required, which a checkmark box of if you have it and where (bank, toolbelt, diango, etc.) -add a flowchart, so you can see what quests are required for what other quests. That way you can see what questlines you're making progress on. -add a delete all quest/trash item (items with no use) button. -add a reclaim quest item NPC, where you can reclaim every last quest item you've owned before. I have no clue what quest items I need to hang on to right now. It would fix my bank issues by a ton. Just being able to delete quest items, knowing I could reclaim them if I even need them again would take a load off. Like can I destroy my rock-climbing boots? No idea... I wish I could just destroy and reclaim. If it turns out it's a useless item, then leave it off the reclaim list. I don't want to have to do research yo know what every item is, and wether I might possibly need it again...
@@MHGFTW at least for the last 2, the wise old man will signal what trash items you have in your bank that you can delete, and the quest caravan next to the varrock lodestone will let you reclaim quest items that you have destroyed. Also you can store certain things in your Player Owned House so use that to store some things from your bank as well, you can always re-access them from the bank itself
@@Kranon The Wiki is included in game now, so eh.. tbf its not really a major focus within the game as something like this could cause information overload to many newer or less experienced players.
"higher requirements provide better rewards" with this philosophy... What happened to Elder Godwars Dungeon?! LOL That is Low-Mid tier content with end game rewards... Honestly if I am being entirely realistic, Mod Jack seems to of never really and any understanding of the communities needs for the game.. Everything I've ever seen him address has always been entirely different then what really needs to be and that just is really sad because hes very intelligent, just doesn't apply where it needs to be. :(
Players at the low-mid tier are definitely not doing hm arch-glacor/kerapac/zuk for the end-game rewards. Hell, a lot of them aren't even doing nm zuk.
@@RockBandRS believe it or not, more Mid Tier Pvmers actually do Hardmode Arch Glacor then any. by Mid Tier I am referring to the skill performance of the player, not in a negative means either. Arch Glacor was confirmed even by Jagex to be designed this way for Arch Glacor, Zuk, Kerapac and Crosesus. It was intentively designed this way to "replace GWD2" as the Jmod quoted. however the issue with this ideology was the fact that its providing end game content at such an easy rate. This is extremely unhealthy for the game. now consider this; compare Elder Godwars to things like Vorago, AOD, Telos, Solak. believe it or not, those 4 I just mentioned are actually geared to be more difficult but due to in game power creep of recent Elder Godwars releases, they aren't even End Game Content anymore. so instead of actually developing content to be geared for End Game like it should have, they released better equipment to lower levels and much easier, while not actually addressing the issue End Game has had for 8+ years now. Which this is a massive design flaw in Jagex's motives and why the player base is massively been declining.
@@RockBandRS I guess a better way to explain this issue is imagine a Mid Tier player becoming into a High end Player. going from Kerapac whos already farmed their own FSOA.. going to Telos to find out ffs Im getting a SOS wtf? even though the content is more challenging, its reward system is unbalanced and feels like its a waste of time to go back. the same could be compared from Kerapac to Vorago. or Zamorak to Solak Arch Glacor to Kalphite King (I skipped Magister because its not difficult at all but at least had a high level requirement being its barrier) believe it or not more players can do HM Arch Glacor then Solo Kalphite King let alone Duo/Trio Kalphite King because Arch Glacor's Mechanics are more understood. but I admit this specific Example of Kalphite King is terrible one but still none the less one of them.
@@justcallmetruth8219 Hardmode Kerapac can be entirely AFKed. how is that not Mid tier? hardmode Zuk I'll agree I won't nessessarily say that one specifically is Mid Tier, but Normal Mode definitely is. but Hardmode Kerapac is 100% Mid tier.
My ultimate goal is to enjoy progression, so i like it when quests, rather than outright giving you a huge useful reward ITEM, open you up to Postquest Content to complete.
Between that and it just needs to make sense.
The issue with low requirements for quests is that new and returning players have so many things to do right at that moment rather than things to look forward to. Desert treasure is an old quest to old players but is a new experience to a new player who has never done it before. Instead, now there’s a bajillion things someone can do at a lower level that it just overwhelms a new player. I think the best way to go about this is similar to the pontifex ring like was mentioned, but more importantly massively overhauling the path system.
I can say that this is a project being done behind the scenes, requiring a lot of time. Theres more news for returning / new players soon. Keep an eye on discord
This is something I talk about A LOT. Even the interfaces are extremely overwhelming. I get very overwhelmed everytime I take a long break and come back.
I'm one of the players that likes to play in order and I am very greatful for the "these are suggested requirements-section"!!
i have my quest cape and i don’t share RS Guy fact of space skipping quest.. it would need pages of dialogue to explain just how good and rich runescape lore and quest development is… PROPS TO EVERYONE THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED TO THAT 👏🏼
Yea I feel like quest cape is a core requirement for a completionist cape
I think it's worth mentioning how upper management said that newer content needs to have some accessibility to the majority of the playerbase. This is why gwd3 has less quest requirements and gwd, and has "easy modes." I appreciate how jagex can at least still give something to the players that play regularly like hard mode and other new gear and training methods.
I think this should be brought up everytime someone mentions gwd3 as "mid level" content.
I like the easy mode versions of ed3 bosses as it can be a good springboard to get players into the content. As long as we can still get hardmode to challenge us.
I am not opposed to them having a "Practice mode" or even "Story Mode" like how Elite Dungeons has, but making specific end game rewards available to mid tier PvM shouldn't be available..
These sort of things are game breaking issues presently.
I understand having that comfort to learn but its very problematic and demotivating for players who go to more difficult bosses to feel less rewarded for something that is no longer useful to them at all.
@@noxiousvex why are you worried about mid level players getting uniuqes you can literally buy XP
I think the situation with the comp cape accurately reflects how the rest of the game design is having an identity crisis.
Changes are being made, they're attempting to modernize and improve it, but a lack of commitment and vision for what the game NEEDS to be is holding that progress back. The inability to decide if Comp capes should be progression indicators (demonstrating various levels of 'completionism"), or just a representation of playstyle (going grindy content) is just another example of how Runescape isn't really sure of what "Runescape" is supposed to be.
To add, Comp cape is not as prestigious as it used to be anymore, it only reflects one is capable of playing the game to such extent and not every player in game has the commitment to do so, there's even content creators who already said they have no interest in getting comp, i believe only Twitch streamers and pvm'ers have comp, at least the popular ones (edit: on the content creation sphere).
Also, consider the following: How many players in the Max Guild actually have a Quest Cape (let alone MQC), how many of them are interested in getting Comp?
The game does a bad job in setting goals for the players and i get it, the freedom to do whatever you feel like is there, but when the game doesn't even have a clear tutorial to tell new players what to do, it's no surprise it fails to guide maxed players onto their next goal. There's a reason many, many reddit posts ask for guidance and ask people what they did after max or how do people introduce their friends to the game for the first time (because out tutorial is all over the place).
The original comp cape rework design would have been so good in fixing all this - 3 tiers of capes in each section of the achievements similar to the diary task sets, then you get the 'overall' cape (comp section) if you do all of that tier in all the other sections. Regular comp would be all the 'easy' tier achievements in every section, "comp+" as Mod Jack is calling it in this video would be all the 'medium' tier achievements, and trim would be all the hard tier.. But too many people thought that was confusing somehow and we ended up with just removing castle wars and reaper.
they should remove dungeonneering tasks too.
I'd rather do reaper or castle wars than tasks for a piece of content that's been dying slowly for over 8 years.
@@djert24 I didn't find the dungeoneering ones that bad, just finding pages and doing the sagas, right? A few of the pages took a little while longer than expected (mostly the ones that only come from specific bosses) but those could easily be improved with a new reward space to increase or guarantee page drops - possibly a motherlode maw enhancer or a high lvl invention consumable rather than completely removing the req.
@@djert24 They shouldn't remove anything, if anything they should be continuing to add more. They need to bring the "dead" content back to life and give players a reason to do it as opposed to just making it easier to get something that is supposed to be impressive and prestigious.
@@djert24 at least you can solo those unlike Barbarian Assault. That's essentially dead unless you want to buy a team to do it all. 😅
I feel like comp is in need of a major rework for sure. I'm 4 requirements away from my comp cape. The only problem I'm really having is the speed of ports and other time gated requirements (some of which I had no clue were time gated i.e. in memorial of the myreque). The biggest problem with doing achievements are the older achievements(bones to peaches for example) They're not worth doing from a casual standpoint. I've achieved comp max and I'm not gonna be going to gwd3 and using bones to peaches for food. I think what would be beneficial in the long run would to do one thing. Era(or tiered) Completionist capes. Now hear me out. You could do different levels of the comp cape based on a time frame, i.e putting all the older content in one tier(bones to peaches, livid farm, so on so forth)on top of the basic comp requirements (Quest cape, master skiller, taskmaster,music maestro) to award you a basic completionist cape. Then do another tier that's a step up from that has time gated content, or grindier things. You could add rewards upon completing each tier of completionist (Cosmetic upgrades and even stat upgrades) and at certain points, be able to take the idea from osrs of adding lets say...the inferno cape to your max cape to make it inherit the stats and provide a cosmetic upgrade. you could add this with each tier, being able to add kiln capes(or your zuk capes) to your comp cape to upgrade it(and they also inherit the effects of said cape). By adding tiers or era's, a player can be awarded a completionist cape and keep it forever. The choice would be theirs to pursue the tier upgrades until they reach trimmed completionist. some rewards I think would be cool (cosmetic wise) is upon getting to a tier, you would get an untradeable treasure trail Cape dye(Barrows, shadow, ice, blood, the works). to add as a color option to your comp cape. The comp cape could also feature extra cosmetics as well, like adding symbols(like on skillcapes) to show...like, i've achieved 120 in all skills or something along the lines, maybe even be able to add veteran capes to the comp cape to unlock the age symbols. This would also make things possible, for a true trimmed cape. By doing things this way, it wouldn't take away the difficulty, but rather break things down, and give that sense of progression.
As a comp onwer; older achievements are fun to see the history of runescape. yes is not usefull anymore in rs3 but for me it gives a look in the past(see old school were it is used at bosses to prolong runs). but im a lorehound :) time gated reqs are annoing if they are the last ones to do. maybe a guide to start them earlier could help.
Comp cape is supposed to be long and hard. Just get good and play the game more and you will get it. Wait until you get to trim comp requirements
Lol "difficultly" in rs3 is a joke
@@worried189brick2 Depends on your levels and gear... Many don't have time to grind the best gear. Less merch it. Also: fk Arraxor and Morvan's task of string boss kills.
Comp is supposed to be a long grind, EVERYTHING should be included. I think the amount of achievements now isn't even enough.
You know, as for quest locked things go, this didn't seem to be much of a problem in the past. There are certainly many possible reasons for that, but I think the big one is that we're doing half to a third of the quests we used to get every year. It's understandable you want the most people doing the newest updates, and when you put that in the context of 2-4 quests a year, it's easy to see how we got here. When it was 5-8 quests a year, that allows you to make quest-locked content and quests with much more lax requirements.
Thanks for fixing volume. I play since 2006 and my issue is that I need to complete a lot of dead content because I skipped it back then. Ryan also views content from person who made their job to play this game but a lot of us cant put 10hrs a day like we used to do in elementary school anymore.
Just have one that has bumper stickers/scout badges, and each accomplishment adds to the collection...
_Badges worked for Pokemon_
The comp cape rework would have been one of the best updates for the game in terms of achievement progression, it's so sad it didn't get through
I comp'ed years ago (literally hours before invention release) and Reaper was the big thing that kept me away from comp for so long. It wasn't due to lack of skill, it was due to lack getting people to take me to each boss. I found groups, but they didn't want to take someone with 0kc. I'm glad that it's no longer a comp req, even though I have no plans on comping again on my new character
Thing is there are plenty of Community groups more then capable and willing to take players to learn.
yeah you gotta have heaps of friends that can do all content and im one of the lucky ones to have 10+ regulars in our discord vc chat so we just do our own raids and group content lol
Sadly I had the same issue, I ended up paying a PVM Leech group to take me to Solak and Vorago just for the reason you mentioned. Then of course after they went away with the requirement. Ironic.
You can find plenty of groups on forums or *ugh* reddit.
I miss quests that have a high combat requirement. My favourite quests are things like desert treasure and while guthix sleeps. Low quest requirements makes me feel like my invested time in making my character max level as pointless. The game should have a progression through its quests, and I think jagex has forgotten that their high level players want quests that challenge them.
With the addition of the infernal box I'd like to see a change to the adrenaline urn and maybe relic power. Now the adrenaline retention upgrade has been released again for wilderness content.
I feel like I'd be all about having a quest with extremely high skill reqs similar to how the light within was when that came out. We have gone so far in that I feel like a hard req of 85-90 skill reqs would be fitting for an endgame quest with super strong rewards
i think a good thing that would make questing better going forward. is shortcuts unlocked by a higher lvl in a stat. Say you have to collect bonemeal and with a lower lvl in herblore(lets say 35) the standard way would be to go to ecto altar(i dont remember if this was correct^^). But since you have a higher herblore level(lets say 75). You now know that the shells from the nearby turtles, can be grinded down in a pestle and mortar to make a good substitute.
a way to include time saves into a quest, other than just bringing items you bought on the GE
Another thing to mention is that voice acted quests are much more engaging than non voice acted ones. People feel more invested when they dont neccessarily have to read the dialogue and are instead immersed. I didnt skip through a single line of dialogue during The Needle Skips quest. The Voice acting was marvelous and I was touched by the story deeply.
Master of Combat cape would be a great addition instead of walking back the removal of Reaper. Two versions even - solo bosses, group bosses.
With the "million pigeons" was her referring to the GTA IV trophy where you have to find 200 hidden pigeons around the map which did feel like a million, because he did say platinum trophy too which you get on playstation
would love to see another cape rework, along with the max guild rework finally being implemented.
maybe.....just maybe add a comp guild...
I'd like to see that, maybe not a Comp Guild per say, but a second floor to the Max Guild (it's already a big building so it fits architecturally speaking). Its contents are open for discussion but should include all popular facilities to make it worthy of the Comp Cape.
I’m personally not a big fan of the idea of adding a comp guild or even a second level to max guild that only comp players can enter can have access to exclusive content or training methods or whatever.
I’m not going to add anything that comp players should have additionally because honestly I can’t think of anything that they should have instead of maybe being able to add more than 3 cape perks like max cape can. Maybe increase it to 4 for comp and 5 for trimmed?
I don’t think bossing is necessarily the issue with comp. At least in my case it isn’t about learning the bosses, I have completed almost all solo bosses and wish all bosses were able to be solo’d, but the social aspect when learning a group boss is hard for me. I have huge social anxiety to begin with and this translates into making it very difficult to learn a group boss. First by actually meeting a group whom will accept a learner and then dealing with the stress of not letting the group down. I have always been of the mind that comp reqs shouldn’t have been changed but the approach to group bosses should be looked at. I know I may be a singular person and jag ex needs to market to the masses but I am putting this out there just in case there are others with my similar issue and we have a voice in this. I just think Jag missed the mark on saying some want minimal requirements to get comp and I don’t feel that’s true. Like my reason above, maybe mechanics need to be addressed to make content more available.
Very interesting! Was hoping for some insight into my favorite cape, the MQC, and why it requires high level slayer monster drops, a Nex AoD kill, entering the Vorago fight, etc.
Not everyone enjoys end game pvm, some of us have real lives.
I've said this to JAGeX for over 20 years.
Trimmed Comp cape should have best ingame slot stats in my opinion
"Our players are filthy casuals and they want to put the least amount of work into a cape meant for completionists"
Also pretending that City of Senntisten required completion of all the quests in the story... good one
Should the "Completionist" Cape still be called that if it isnt actually what it means.
When it was initially brought out there wasnt all this focus on high end pvm and bossing, so it made sense for what it was. I think raids coming out was when the problems started. I still think Reaper Crew should be a requirement for trim though.
That's why some people don't take Comp Cape seriously nowadays, it should be retconned to "Most-of-it cape" if Jagex insist in keeping more and more content separated from "completionism".
Reaper Crew got removed because, apparently, people don't like to PVM and most of them are average 02:00 GWD2 Killtime Players or Animate Dead + FSOA "Helmet Players". So asking them to kill every boss in game and, socialize a little for group bosses, is a tall order.
@@Kranon wouldn't even say "most" to be honest, If i had to make a personal estimate as a current Comp Owner myself, Id estimate maybe tops 20% of the game, majority of it being useless requirements and not even things players push to achieve.
its primarily Skills maxed, Ports majority complete, normal Quest Cape, Music and Achievement Diary.
realistically could add sooo many different things, but even if they just required 1 boss kill of each boss (Reaper Crew), and like 1 bit of each piece of content (even if we as players don't like everything, doing it each once or small amount isn't terrible)
such as Minigames, even playing them each once.. like how hard is that... It atleast defines being the Completism it is.
Is there a way to categorize quests like these 4 r Romeo and Juliet quests or some way were you know what quests to complete for the full story or is that already ig?
You can sort the quest by timeline
@@Chrisboy265 elaborate.
@@HalfSkullSenior In your Quest Log there is filters on how to arrange this, by Release Date or you can even do it based on Quest Line itself too.
@@noxiousvex you are God ^.^
@@noxiousvex Thank You!!!!
I'm not even close to comping, not even max yet. But when I found out that they removed the reaper req from completionist I thought it was very strange? I mean I understand some players aren't in it for pvm but like you should have to kill every boss at least once to comp. So much of the recent content revolves around end game pvm so it seems weird that you can be "completionist" and skip all of that content. I don't like doing a lot of the grinds needed for comp but at some point I'll have to do it regardless. You don't need to get achievements for 2k or 4k enrage telos but I mean just kill them once.
I liked just for the COMPrimise joke lmfao
Maybe it comes down to changing the scale of rewards for the older quests
We need this Trim Comp Plus for the pvming content! NEED IT!
I'm not even that much of an active bossier anymore, but the removal of Reaper from comp would a major knock to those of us that completed it before. Even moving it to trim would've been a great idea.
The comp rework that was supposed to happen was my most anticipated thing in years, was so upset when it didn't happen, the designs for the capes alone made me so happy.
Would love to see an addition to trim to add more requirements and content, it would push me to experience more, and as someone who struggles with finding what to do next, it would be perfect!
I would like to see a 120 all cape and a 200m all cape.
Inverted Skillcapes should have been those capes you're suggesting for 120. 200M All should be outsourced by LegendArts.
Exp rewards from quests getting bigger over time???? Meanwhile Twilight of the Gods gives 60k exp.... Horrible. Require a player to have 2m exp in divination to do the quest, then give them a 30k xp lamp...
It's been literal years since i bothered or remotely cared about XP, so i don't understand what's the big deal of Quests giving XP, if it's a Maste or Grandmaster quest it's logical it gives bunch of xp but is not an obligation.
Id have to agree with @Cecil here, honestly XP is not really a major concern because majority of playerbase has already achieved the XP required, by this point its just not nessessary to worry about, even newer players if you look up optimal guides, can easily max an account within no time.
Why are lategame quests even giving XP?
Twilight of the Gods is more about the Zamorak damage reduction than the token XP rewards. There are enough XP handouts these days for you to get 80 div. Even my brother who plays twice a year has that.
Anyone else slightly crave staring at a set of interesting/significant walls to be part of true trim now?
Its astounding to me who has played over the games entire life and not given a damn about the quests when they seemed like side storys to now finding the main story more compelling than most mmos.
why don't you just do graphical overhauls of ancient quests?
the comp cape t should be the best stat cape in the game and hold the zuk cape passives if you have it.
nope...there is a reason they changed it.... just use hybrid zuk and overide trim...
@@Nevervorago With the amount of effort it takes to get the comp cape t my view will not change
Agreed. People won't like it, but same goes for regular comp.
@@Laoboy9 people (specially on reddit) already lambast you for suggesting Comp Cape should be, at the very least, slightly better than MAX cape. IDK. maybe hold a different set of perks or have a 4th additional perk slot exclusive to it? But noooooo! Let's complain about MTX instead of the actually interesting topics like comp cape.
@@Nevervorago That sucks, if the goal is fashionscape, why can't we fuse both capes? Like OSRS does.
Sometimes i feel like RSGuy is against the players.
I was disappointed when I unlocked nihil slayer and I couldn't do nex :( but kreera can be done for aviansie slayer.
Does comp still require 120 in 120 skills?
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i think comp should stay as is, add a gilded comp cape to include some low level pvm achievements as well as some more non pvm achievements, add some higher level pvm achievements to the trimmed comp. Then add a true trim which is literally everything.
the problem with comp as a whole is that there is only 2 tiers which encompass a huge range of achievements, some people dont want to do some and want to do others and i think the completionist system should reflect that and respect that some players just dont enjoy some content. in a perfect world you would have many different capes of accomplishment like a multi-tiered pvm cape but obviously that might not be viable
A gilded comp cape is literally trim. Also, as someone who owns a comp cape, i feel the cape has devalued in prestige A LOT.
As someone who is currently working on MQC and Comp Cape. I'm not looking forward to killing 4000 Chompy's
At least it’s not time gated by 6 months
@@Andy-en8ow looking at you Player Owned Ports.
@@ryangentry2003 there two other trim comp req that take 6 months and u cant speed it up ports u can speed up but still takes 4 months
I think the comp requirements are decent atm, but please get rid of the ports trio mission. getting from max to all comp requirements takes less time than completing the ports achievement alone. the reefwalker cape is an example of the 2 levels, reefwalker is fine for comp and you know how ports works like you mentioned. the trio misison doesnt fit in the requirement list IMO. Balance the 2 levels out, Id like to see more trim requirements in the comp list, but in lower numbers so it makes sense.
Bruh broken home 3rs reward/ASR was entry level but was a bitch to get.
I hope we will get it ASR to become passive with new quest. I mained it but since Rex rings it just collects dust in bank.
I don’t like the debate being done with Ryan lol 😂
Well that's too bad because someone chose him as a member of the P.A.G team (that's Player Advocacy Group).
So he's the player's voice and we should like him for that, says there on the fine print.
@@Kranon not my vote for players voice never been a fan of most of his opinions
@@Akashic_Monk do you not like the content or do you just not like ryan?
i personally dont care for some content creators but i like what they bring to the table
The pvm mindset he has is not what the common RuneScape player cares about
@@DarthChosen the focus on pvm is way over talked about by Ryan
Comp cape is locked behind barbarian assault music, of which is a dead mini-game, could we change the music to be unlocked in the lobby of barbarian assault instead of wave 10. Thanks
Or just bring the minigames to present day and give people a reason to want to do them instead of having to wait for spotlight.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 this
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Or fix up mini games, allow some of them to be F2P, allow people to play SOLO against the AI or something and make the rewards better.
@@SCH292 So yea basically what I said
The real question is why isnt there a comp cape for doing all normal and miniquests and all area tasks, and 99/120 all skills? Bc to me thats beating runescape at least at a minimalist level
@@byever1 comp requires much more
What if there was the ability to replay quests, maybe even without a reward for doing so.
the RsGuy does a really good job at this.
I like the debate being done with Ryan lol 😂
is it posible to do something about the microphone that's used for the mods?
i noticed in previous episodes as well that they are sometimes a bit low.
In case of the mod in this episode who has a bit of a low toned voice and sometimes mumbles a bit, it gets really hard to hear what he is saying. It's almost like we can hear the vibration of his chest.
specially for people with slight hearing problems or people like me who are not native English speakers this can be problematic. Specially because the parts that are hard to understand are also not picked up properly by the subtitles.
Doubt they'll do anything barely anyone watches these sadly. Try headphones it comes across much clearer.
Absolutely,
I will crank up the devs in the next one :)
Thank you for the feedback, it is appreciated.
evil daves big day out reward xp for a new player just at the reqs is madness, an iron account is a quest account tho lmao
Absolute ridiculousness that after returning to old school runescape after perhaps 10 years I've been perma banned without appeal for nothing. It seems this has happened a large swayve of their player base. The runescape team who deal with bans are woefully inept.
I played RS3 and stuck by it through EOC, I’m nearly comped (2 tasks left one of them time gated) but it just feels like lately all these updates have become dull due to the lack of “grinding.” It’s what made the game so unique in its own right. It just feels like it’s devalued my own achievements. It’s because of the devaluations it’s turned me off from RS3 and took osrs a lot more seriously, I appreciate the grind it gives because it takes hours on end to reach those milestones and there’s rewards that show for it.
This devalue as time goes on, thats life. Most people don't want to do useless grinds, things that aren't fun, and things that don't give good rewards.
@@LuckyXCIII Exactly
@@LuckyXCIII but that's the issue, instead of replacing it by grinds more enjoyable or rewarding to make it feel better they are just continuously making it easier or more afk making people quit faster because there's nothing left to do.
I would like 2see skill pet odds increase, after lvl 120 in that skill
i like those long intervies. just saying because many ppl complain about thersguy
Pursuing the comp cape is boring, I stopped playing two months ago, someday I'll probably get my guy out and play him again but after I maxed out my stats the game just got to be boring, I'm just burned out on the same old thing every day for 14 years. Not that there is a better game, there probably isn't, but there are different games, and right now I'm bored and want something different. See you around RS, I'm sure someday I'll be ready to mess with it again... Someday.
maybe comp pre combat could be untrimed just have the diffrent design then with reaper would get the current comp cape then total comp would be trimmed comp just an idea though since max and comp capes have diffrent designs
There will always be people who complain about things. Combat as a requirement for comp should never have been taken out. Comp shouldn't be about grinding a thousand pigeons for the sake of that, but if there rewards or unlocks that are grind then it's included. This change should have never have taken place. If non pvmer want a cape with particles then by all means make one, and include it in the reqs for comp.
i get the sentiment but i kinda disagree as well, comp cape is basically runescapes version of achievment completionists on say steam or any game, so if i use Borderlands 2 for example (a game i have all the achievements for) one of the achievements is to kill terramorphis the invinsible but that doesnt mean i have to go kill terramorphis the invincible on lvl 80 Overpower level 10 (hardest difficulty) meaning i can go back as a lvl 80 character and kill the lvl 50 terra on the easier difficulty for the achievement. runescape has no system for that, not every boss has a "story mode" to be able to complete.
Say the devs want to make a boss thats near impossible and only the top 2% of players will ever kill, its not very rewarding drops wise but its an achievement for pvmers to say "i am good at pvm" if thats then put on comp cape you have now locked out 98% of players from EVER being able to get the cape and even locked out a large portion of players who already had the cape from ever getting it back.
to me completionist cape should be like ahievement systems in games like my BL2 example, cool you have 75/75 achievements and finished the main story congratulations you have "completed" borderlands 2.
IMO the comp came should be fully completing every single last bit of content in the game. Instead of removing things from the requirements, and screwing over those who had to do those things, they should revitalize the "dead" content and give players a reason to do them again.
I would like the equivalent of combatants cape or support cape but for 120s
In that case, let's keep Max and Comp cape perk slots separated. Oh, and add a reward to the Treasure Trail store that also separates the cape perks from the GT Backpack.
That way you can have 3 different set of perks for all kind of activities.
in my opinion,
make comp cape have a yearly update for requirements instead of every new update comes out.
make some of them essentials like (max skill, all quests, all tasks).
and the rest requirements be based on last year events/updates (not something that is 10 years old or dead content)
i personally believe they need to remove mini games stuff from comp/trim, Barb assault has been dead for so long that only way its possible is if you pay for it, which then leaves it up to trust trading these discords and fcs to actually do the service or be scammed trying.
No there is a fc where you can form team: BA assault
And i used this fc fee months ago for my mqc
Players deserve recognition for max 120s and 200ms
When a 5.6b Cape come? Reddit has good designs.
And by Reddit you mean reposted Twitter images from Mikey?
@@Kranon yeah i think.. why jagex dont have already such capes..
@@pupupupu448 Because the board of directors is sucking the soul out of the game and want to focus on bs like MTX despite the constant complaining from the devs and playerbase. Gowers never should have sold, even Paul regrets it 😢.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Paul regretted it the day MTX was announced, it was one of the major reasons each of the brothers left afterwards even though they still worked there.
It happens though realistically the Gower brothers couldn't financially and mentally continue to handle it's growth in the state that it was and desperately needed more assistance and eventually opted to sell it out.
@@noxiousvex I do believe the youngest brother was the only one still working there at that point.
All the capes need some reworking, plus both styles of 99 capes look awful with 120s, max and comp looking amazing
Necro Constr Themes skull walls
add pvm to trim and take out dead minigame content like B.A.
Rather fix the minigame content
Thats why we need 120 all capes and 200Mill capes. To show what you have reached in this game.
not really, 120s are peanuts with the current xp rates and 200m nothing special at all, if you also consider all the mtx this game has lol
why did you change the date of worlds of restart to next to the release of wow classic WOTLK???????????????????????????????????????????????
Can he stop fucking interrupting so much? Let the man finish his sentence
Yea Ryan interrupts a lot
Over 3100 HM glacor kills, max enrage 2000%, had 1 core drop, damn nearly made me quit after 17 years of playing, pleas please please rework glacor drops. it is hands down one of the if not the worst boss in rs for loot. By far the most demotivating boss.
Why would make this stuff easy and less requirements but more rewarding?
so the past few million accounts/players who struggled or put the effort to get satisfaction for the reward will see it as not unique or special since many more who have to put less out to get the same reward.
At least make a different cape/title for those who get the stuff pre-nerf.
If there is no struggle or effort put into progression there is no satisfaction in progression/achievements. This could kill the active player base, even though the player base is already lower then it was once before.
RGB Lasers
Never quit guide 😂
You skip quest dialogue and you are annoyed having to do one little quest again. You and I would not get along.
If you struggle to get like 75 construction or whatever, you don't deserve to do the quest. There's no reason why when Jagex is handing out so many XP bonuses, so many oddments, constant extended DXP events, anyone should be struggling to meet quest skill requirements. The game is about skilling. That's what RuneScape is. Anything less is just Jagex trying to make the game more accessible to people who don't appreciate or understand it
You're not the arbiter of what runescape is or isn't and neither am I. You just want to complain.
@@A_Black_Sheep94 Don't remember asking you
@@sithisrants4154 You don't ask superiors
Please REMOVE and STOP including puzzles for quests
Bondzzzzz
Love mod jack
Ya, he's good he's good, chanced upon him on the grocery store the other day, he made my day, dude's so polite :D
Completionist should encompass ALL Game Major Achievements, CASE CLOSED, the ones that are so painfully excluded are:
- Reaper Crew.
- Quest Cape.
- ''at least" 20,000 Runescore.
While Trim should also have:
- MQC.
- 30,000 Runescore.
Things like clue, pvm, skilling titles are just cherry on tops.
Additionally, we should have a modern achievement system that allowed us to filter all achievements by points, that way we can focus on doing the ones we feel are easier/faser or harder/slower in any order we'd like.
And maybe add more achievements to Steam???
30k runescore and I'll quit. Idm newer reqs being introduced.. But 30k runescore, no
Trim Cape is already very time consuming to get and maintain.
Now what they could have done is to make it more desirable to get.
Like making it possible to "upgrade" it, where the player get access to change the particle effect on it. Say each 200M skill unlocks the particles for said skill to be used with the trimmed cape. Make 5.6B/max xp grant the player to use 2-3 different particles to customize it.
Just make it more desirable to achieve trim Cape or even go for 200M in any skill.
This would increase the activity within getting the capes and will make the content around these achievements more played. Which also would give the developers any reasons to go back to old content to rework it for the better, cause now suddenly more players are playing it.
TLDR;
So instead of making it harder.. Why not improve and add possible extra achievements around the already existing content?
Same with pvm... Make a reaper achievement path for grinding pvm achievements with fun achievements like restricted weapons/no food kills and whatnot for a normal reaper and trimmed reaper achievement goals.
Make the trimmed version with the idea of "that's pretty much impossible, but it could.." in the devs minds. Like, just have fun with it
Heck, pvm achievements could also be used as a way to hint around boss mechanics and use of abilities.
Agree with this. There should be three capes 1. comp for doing all content at least a little include reaper. 2. Trim including mqc, the medium grinds like runespan, shattered hearts, globetrotters outfit. 3. True trim ifb, golden reaper, castle wars, clue logs etc.
@@DIFY that'd be great.
Ports needs update and taken off its takes way to long to complete
loltrim
Y Trim?
Oi
Maybe that's because you're running the ideas for that content by so tiny a group of your favorite players instead of the entire community as a whole? What the hell ever happened to polls? You'll never get a majority of the players to participate and vote on anything but it's still way better than just a handful of your loyal yes-men who think whatever you do is perfect because they get perks for being friends with you.
Yeah. The high end tiny group of favorite players mostly focus on stuff that keeps them the top, keep things their way and whatever. They want updates, content that benefits them, keeps them in the spotlight and all the attention. IN EVERY MMO GAMES the creators only listen to a handful of people(Streamers) and the people who follow the streamers.
I like this guy
Comp cape shouldn't even be a thing. Why? Jagex is just gonna crank out more BS in the future which make you lose YOUR Comp cape and you have to earn it back by doing the BS Jagex put in. Jagex repeat it again and you repeat it again. Endless cycle.
What I wanna see are overcoats. Instead of just having Capes we should have overcoats. The Japanese call it Haori. The type of coat that Samurai wear and on the back of the coat(Haori)will have their lord's crest or whatever. So in our case...Attack symbol, Firemaking or whatever symbol.
you mean what Jagex call a skill cape.... we have this already.
Completionist is more of a Cosmetic to show off you have participated in all portions of the game, but presently only represents 20% of the content within the game.
its very poorly designed atm.
Schizoposting
Item titles T_T drop
Obsessed with new players coming but by affecting old players experience, while mtx interface, tutorial are trash 🤣
Am i the only one who groans when Iron men are brought up?
limit your self in a game mode and then complain when anything is easier on a main.
Sad thing is the majority of runescape players just want to complain about anything and everything without any idea what they actually want.
Sorry but I don't like rsguy doing the interviews...
He's pretty dull and doesn't say anything remotely original or contradictory.
@@Malzra I'd say he's proba paid, there's so many things wrong yet he's not getting that point through... He needs to remember there not his friends.
The current state of RuneScape is simply a joke... Majority of people are at world 84 bank standing and afking and hardly interacting with the game and that's simply what the game has become.
Theres nothing new with RuneScape , all content they give out is literally slowly dead content, just look at all the minigames... There all dead content unless it's focused on a special minigame for that week... And when it is it's just people that afk there too...
The game is literally to be afked while you play another game.
They need to stop giving out these crummy updates and instead make a MASSIVE CHANGE, not like the crummy wilderness change...what a joke that was.
Being a player that played back in 2006 it's sad to see the game so distorted and dead.
Same I don’t like his opinion for the players
@@breach8813 where I agree with your view of what the game has become, i don't reall have a positive or negative opinion about Ryan.
I do however feel he doesn't press the appropriate concerns as far as they need to be pushed.
whoever voted him to be the voice for the community clearly wasn't the community.
The man who ruined rs3
Why ironman cant attack demon flashmobs!? -.-'
Its it technically a minigame?
@@A_Black_Sheep94 so is dungeoneering...
@@vexyn3941 No that's a skill sadly
I see no value in comp cape so long as it fails to recognise bossing as a completionsist requirement.
RS3 consistently lets down its high effort playerbase in favour of catering to the low effort playerbase.
Where are the aspirational goals? Where is the wow factor? Comp is just entirely unimpressive.
Yet again another nothingburger
I'm fine either way, i'm busy playing the game anyways.
What did you expect them to announce somthing? This is an educational video
@@cubedpotatoeshd2479 I expected them to actually go over some interesting subjects, like why they don't add any of the new content to the capes, even though it makes perfect sense for it to be a requirement, or elaborate more on the state of trim
@@ChonkyMonkey1 ok fair
I literally don't care about quests... I only do them because stuff is often locked behind a chain of them. I wish there was a flowchart of what quests require what other quests, so I can see what I've finished and what not. It's just a cluster of stuff I don't want to waste my time on right now.
you can see a flow chart on the wiki :)
@@davidcarey6923 which should also be in game for convenience. Surely it shouldn't be too difficult to copy paste the info somewhere in game? Maybe put it inside the Varrock Museum?
@@Kranon exactly this. I also don't want to have to start checkmarking everything, when in game this could happen automatically.
They should just do a minor questing rework. There's a couple things I would change:
-add a list of items required, which a checkmark box of if you have it and where (bank, toolbelt, diango, etc.)
-add a flowchart, so you can see what quests are required for what other quests. That way you can see what questlines you're making progress on.
-add a delete all quest/trash item (items with no use) button.
-add a reclaim quest item NPC, where you can reclaim every last quest item you've owned before.
I have no clue what quest items I need to hang on to right now. It would fix my bank issues by a ton. Just being able to delete quest items, knowing I could reclaim them if I even need them again would take a load off. Like can I destroy my rock-climbing boots? No idea... I wish I could just destroy and reclaim. If it turns out it's a useless item, then leave it off the reclaim list. I don't want to have to do research yo know what every item is, and wether I might possibly need it again...
@@MHGFTW at least for the last 2, the wise old man will signal what trash items you have in your bank that you can delete, and the quest caravan next to the varrock lodestone will let you reclaim quest items that you have destroyed. Also you can store certain things in your Player Owned House so use that to store some things from your bank as well, you can always re-access them from the bank itself
@@Kranon The Wiki is included in game now, so eh.. tbf its not really a major focus within the game as something like this could cause information overload to many newer or less experienced players.
Does he own any other fucking shirts?!
Probably shot on the same day or something
Noobs gonna destroy enything that means enything:/
"higher requirements provide better rewards"
with this philosophy... What happened to Elder Godwars Dungeon?! LOL
That is Low-Mid tier content with end game rewards...
Honestly if I am being entirely realistic, Mod Jack seems to of never really and any understanding of the communities needs for the game.. Everything I've ever seen him address has always been entirely different then what really needs to be and that just is really sad because hes very intelligent, just doesn't apply where it needs to be. :(
Players at the low-mid tier are definitely not doing hm arch-glacor/kerapac/zuk for the end-game rewards. Hell, a lot of them aren't even doing nm zuk.
@@RockBandRS believe it or not, more Mid Tier Pvmers actually do Hardmode Arch Glacor then any.
by Mid Tier I am referring to the skill performance of the player, not in a negative means either.
Arch Glacor was confirmed even by Jagex to be designed this way for Arch Glacor, Zuk, Kerapac and Crosesus. It was intentively designed this way to "replace GWD2" as the Jmod quoted.
however the issue with this ideology was the fact that its providing end game content at such an easy rate. This is extremely unhealthy for the game.
now consider this; compare Elder Godwars to things like Vorago, AOD, Telos, Solak.
believe it or not, those 4 I just mentioned are actually geared to be more difficult but due to in game power creep of recent Elder Godwars releases, they aren't even End Game Content anymore.
so instead of actually developing content to be geared for End Game like it should have, they released better equipment to lower levels and much easier, while not actually addressing the issue End Game has had for 8+ years now. Which this is a massive design flaw in Jagex's motives and why the player base is massively been declining.
@@noxiousvex hard mode kerapac and zuk isnt mid tier lmfao
@@RockBandRS I guess a better way to explain this issue is imagine a Mid Tier player becoming into a High end Player.
going from Kerapac whos already farmed their own FSOA.. going to Telos to find out ffs Im getting a SOS wtf?
even though the content is more challenging, its reward system is unbalanced and feels like its a waste of time to go back.
the same could be compared from Kerapac to Vorago.
or Zamorak to Solak
Arch Glacor to Kalphite King (I skipped Magister because its not difficult at all but at least had a high level requirement being its barrier)
believe it or not more players can do HM Arch Glacor then Solo Kalphite King let alone Duo/Trio Kalphite King because Arch Glacor's Mechanics are more understood. but I admit this specific Example of Kalphite King is terrible one but still none the less one of them.
@@justcallmetruth8219 Hardmode Kerapac can be entirely AFKed. how is that not Mid tier?
hardmode Zuk I'll agree I won't nessessarily say that one specifically is Mid Tier, but Normal Mode definitely is.
but Hardmode Kerapac is 100% Mid tier.