Refuting "The Young Turks" on the Bible and Abortion
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- In this episode Trent sits down with Cy Kellett from the Catholic Answers Focus podcast to refute Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks and other pro-choice advocates who claim that the Bible is actually “pro” abortion.
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I'm not sure why people who have no faith in the Bible are so sure that they can try and use it to get Christians to go along with whatever they want.
Because they're crude utilitarians. Whatever they can use to bash their enemies and get the outcome they want is morally justified in their eyes.
It’s always funny but disturbing to me…!
Christians keep falling for it.
it's the 'I win by any means necessary' method of the Brian Flemming types (remember when that guy was popular? think "blasphemy challenge). throw a bunch of contradictory "anti" arguments at your opponent hoping they won't have time to address them all and be distracted by the bluster and false confidence then declare victory and recruit others to parrot your talking points. if you want to see it play out in movie form, watch the endings of "Clue" and "JFK" (only 8 more days btw)
Because most of us have actually read the bible and some like me have 6 years of christianity and its history from school .
If we take the bible literally , Hebrew and Greek words meaning “abortion” do not appear in either the Old or New Testament of the Bible..
So you cant use bible to ban abortion , when there is nothing about it , there is miscarriage and maximum penalty to cause one to some others mans wife is a fine .
If you suspect that your wife is not pregnant with your baby , you have her drink bitter water , that causes miscarriage if the child was not yours ... thats about closest to modern abortion you get , when over 90 % of abortions are done chemically and the Bible support that .
Christian church did not consider fetus even being alive before 15-16 weeks of pregnancy , when thats when fetus starts moving and if you want to complain about that then go and whine about it to St Augustine of Hippo , hes a saint in all 4 biggest christian churches , Catholic , Orthodox , Ev.Lut and Anglican , he died in year 430 .
Giving TYT the time of day is giving them too much credit they don't deserve.
OF COOOOOOOURSE!
They're quite pathetic!
@@christianmarvin5419 funny!!! 😃… outed. I’m guilty too.
You have to confront these degenerates one day, why don't you do it now? Complacency of boomers during the sexual revolution get us into this mess in the first place.
They are great for making an example out of them. The more assured they are with their false arguments, the better it looks to take them down
These same people will say that any references to homosexuality in the Bible don’t count.
Pederasty
You people will say that any references to genocide, slavery, infanticide, and rape don't count.
@@cygnusustus ....said no one ever
@@kevinfernandez9999
Christians say that all the time. What rock do you live under?
@@cygnusustus like who lol? Any knowledgeable Christian would respond by, giving you the proper context for each of those. I have yet to see someone respond with "duHh...wElL tHoSe DonT count..."
Swedish protestant here. Thanks for a good rebuttal. In "Svenska Folkbibeln" (common Swedish Bible translation) it doesn't say anything about miscarriage either.
God bless you, Trent! 🙏
It clearly describes an induced miscarriage.
The Young Turks proven wrong. In other breaking news, the sky is blue!
If Cenk brushed up on the bible to prepare for this argument, I wonder if he stumbled across the part of the Old Testament where they talk about bestiality.
Haha good catch
Does Cenk have a history with that? Is there something I’ve missed?
@@Cybercrapper28 Hopefully not, but he's infamous for making a very strange comment on one of his shows a long time ago. th-cam.com/video/zVR0XLFU9rE/w-d-xo.html
@@Cybercrapper28 yeah, Cenk said that if he was dictator of the world then he would legalise all instances of beastiality where the human is the taker and not the giver.
@@Cybercrapper28 yes, there was a big controversy a few years ago when he spoke in favor of it
Yay, a Counsel of Trent/The Young Turks crossover episode!
I respect anyone that gets a youtube warning these days.
I love TH-cam: “abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy” is a c-section an abortion?
There was an edition of the NIV in the early to mid-2000s that said "miscarry" in that verse. Don't know if that's the one he was using, but wouldn't surprise me.
Came to comment this. The current NIV (at least in my physical Bible I got in 2010, also in the current youversion app) says miscarry. Unfortunate, as the NIV is usually regarded as #1 or 2 for accuracy, at least in protestant circles. This just happens to be one of the few cases where it misses the mark.
May the good Lord richly bless and forgive this man for his heinous and egregious sin. Amen 🙏🏾
TH-cam is now adding "context" to videos about abortion????? Wow.
Thanks Guys for another video, I often think of passages in the Hebrew Bible where God made it clear that life was His Creation and only He could punish, but also protect those who were good, like Gen 18:20-32 where God would not destroy the cities for the sake of 10 righteous.
Of course you have a little blurb “kindly” put there by TH-cam.
They always read from the NIV to make this argument. Others don't translate it that way.
The NIV is one of the least trustworthy translations, it's a shame it is so popular
@@Michael-bk5nz The NIV is great for just casual reading.
That said, If you're looking to do serious exegesis you look at the more literal translations like the NASB, NRSV, NET, or the ESV.
@@grantgooch5834 no, neither the NIV nor the NET are good translations, they are both incredibly biased in favor of evangelical theology and slanted to be opposed not only to Catholicism (obviously) but even confessional Protestantism. Some of the more glaring examples would be the epistle of James. A literal translation would be "we are justified by works and not by faith alone". I don't want to spoil it for you, but look up the passage in both translations and see the elaborate circumlocutions they go to avoid saying that. Even NT Wright, himself an evangelical, recommends against the NIV due to its bias.
@@grantgooch5834 FALSE.
Stick to KJV AND NKJV for context
Carry on the Mission
Even Satan can manipulate Bible verse, and that reporter reminds me of Genesis when Satan approached Adam and Eve “You certainly not going to die, you become like God” 🙏🙏🙏
God later affirmed that man had become "As one of us" Satan got them to disobey God, but this was not only not a lie but affirmed by God Himself. Important distinction.
Trent Horn always the GOAT
What do you mean about GOAT?
@@Tom-od3eb Greatest of all time
@@Tom-od3eb Greatest Of All Time
@@georgetodd3035 Thanks, I agree
@@georgetodd3035 Are you serious because no person with a moral mind would endorse that God told Moses to do what is written in Numbers 5 verse 11 onwards and Trent trying to defend God by saying that the woman may not have been pregnant because the text did not say she was .
If any agnostic heard his argument they would turn from agnosticism to atheism without a fight .
Ask Cenk Uygur What he thinks about Leviticus 18:23
The YT “context” really is the chef’s 💋.
17:26 Racism ... Jesus actually did spend more time with Samaritan and Syro-Canaanean women (at least one conversation each) than Jews of his time were usually approving.
Paedophilia? What exactly does the word mean to you? Because to some feminists it would include things that according to Catholic moral doctrine as well as Church law are perfectly licit.
If I was in love with a 14 year old girl in 1996, if I had hopes to date her under her parents' supervision, and next year ask the "governor's" or "county sheriff's" permit to marry her, this is in no way against Catholic Church law, but in the eyes of some feminists back there in Sweden, it was paedophilia to even look at her before she was 15.
Now, it can be added, I knew her parents were roughly speaking conservatives, they would be voting Moderaterna, I think. The shock and bad turnaround in my life came, when I found out they were capable of sharing that type of feminist prejudice or put it at the account of possible madness that I had come to tell her "I love you" that evening a few days before her 14th birthday. By the way, she's obviously so old by now I hope she's already married - to someone else.
I don't think I have ever seen anything of substance when it comes to this debate, especially with how it is conducted. Most take the debate over the Bible and Abortion to be a battle of proof-texts and I think that is a simplistic way to approach it. One should look at what Biblical data as a whole says and what Systematic Theology says to the issue. For example, whether a theology of the body provides any good defeaters for the pro-choice intuition that you can do whatever you want to and in your body without having any obligations to innocent human beings.
Lol this Mr MC on 5:00 misunderstood about miscarriage right?
Cenyk stated he would have destroyed Rogan. It's obvious he's a BLOWHARD.
Thank you ❤
Read the comments here.
It is childish and immature to say that protestants agree with abortion.
Let's look at this rationally. Have any Catholics had an abortion?YES.
Have any protestants had abortions ? YES.
Point is , those who have had an abortion will pay for that SIN as a consequence.
Those teaching that shedding blood is okay , Williams be judged harshly by God.
I love how the non religious teach the Bible. They think cherry picking something from the OT is reading and understanding the Bible. He is a Muslim so what would he know.
God is the author of life and death. The folks at the Young Turks are in for a surprise whenever they figure out the plot twist that God takes the life of every human being on Earth.
But Trent, you're not infallible so I think that instead of listening to humans -- including your good self -- we need God to clear all this up. Come on on bro, it's been thousands of years. Just pop in to to give a clear unambiguous message.
What do tou think the Church is for? to teach about faith and morals .
God let his Authority to apostles , the Church to guide and be a light to the world.
Matthew 28:19,20
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Trent horn is part of the Church as an evangelist .👇
Ephissians 4 :11-15
11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.
@@r.c4914 Biblically, "the church" has no such teleological function. The ekklesia is purely descriptive of the true believers.
@@stephengalanis
First : biblically speaking they had no " bible "The bible came about in the 4 century by the Catholic church in the council of Rome, came to agreement whats is true scripture choosing among hundreds of books.
Evrything was brought to the Church like always .
🔎Nobody can come out with personal interpretations regard doctrine.
2 Peter 1 : 20,21
20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,
21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
1 Timothy 3:15
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
The Church Apostles disputing a confusion and disagreements that They had among themselves/
👇
• First council
Go search this in your bible its too long to post.
When the apostles had a disagreement and confusion
🔎Acts 15 : 1-12
• I recommend you read the hole whole chapter .
📍Whenever they had disagreements they
appeal to the Church as Authority
Matthew 18:16,17
“If your brother sins [against you], go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’
17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
@@r.c4914 I hadn't considered any of that. Thanks.
Catholics routinely attack the Protestant "invisible church" insisting that's not what Christ founded. I find the innovations of Vatican 1 re church and papal primacy to be unconvincing. I find Cardinal Henry Newman's paper to be a post hoc rescue of previously existing beliefs that cannot be questioned. I find the Reformed reading of church history and ecclesiology overwhelmingly more sound than Catholicism, far less epistemically expensive, with far less cognitive dissonance. (The worst, but perhaps more intellectually coherent formulation of Christianity is probably Calvinism -- aside from the total internal bankruptcy of fringe Catholics like the SSPX.) I find the kangaroo courts in early ecumenical councils like Nicea II to make a strong prima facie case of the absurdity of Catholic ecclesiology. It really stretches credulity to take the claims Rome makes about itself seriously. Obviously one thinks of the problem of the phenomenal shell of the Catholic church being conceptually separate from the noumenal, precious, incorruptible, indefectible ideal... that doesn't correlate to any concrete, identifiable properties in the real world. Does this amazing One True church exist in reality? No it doesn't. (And of course it doesn't. It would be falsifiable if that were the case.) No lack of holiness or unity ever counts against the Oneness or Holiness of Rome, which remains ever out of reach. The invisible church of Rome.
But you've missed the point. Regardless of how you think the Bible was compiled and by whom, "the church" as described in its pages never refers to a hierarchical organization. This isn't a point up for debate, I wasn't stating opinion. Please suppose I could absolutely point you to many resources.
I'm an atheist, for the sake of clarity.
@@r.c4914 And kicking the can down the road to Rome, isn't helpful.
Or maybe you can point us all to a list of infallibly interpreted verses? But you can't, as there's no such thing. This supposed epistemic advantage you have of The Church is imaginary. Catholics are just listening to churchy-people who have thoughts, like Protestants do.
Doesn't it strike you as odd, that if Catholicism is true, channels like this with fallible guys and gals giving their thoughts exist... within Catholicism? Be real: you have no demonstrable, functioning epistemology based on your One True Church such that in a situation like this you can easily call up the infallible reading of Numbers 5, or ask for one.
God wasn't angry for child sacrifice. He was angry that children were sacrificed to Molech and not to him.
God did use abortion in the Bible but I’m sure he learned his lesson
It is simply man's misconception of God and indeed using the name of God to protect their own vested interests ! Simply appalling !
@@peterj6740 it’s not a misconception if the story is in the Bible. We need to stop lying to defend the Bible.
@@peterj6740 I’m learning about the effects of religion- and oh boy was it damaging. I mean if you’re cisgender, make, white and straight you were perfectly fine. But anything other than that and you were screwed somehow.
@@Charlie_Loves..... Question everything and that includes the Bible and even the bible is not simply the word of God but it is more true to say it CONTAINS
the word of God . Yet God writes straight on crooked lines on crooked ,very human lines and needs literary and factual criticism for a modern understanding of its contents.
.What is the message of the Bible as a whole is what is necessary and never on a doctrine based on an individual text .
@@peterj6740 that’s what it says.
Unfortunately, that numbers passage is the nail in the coffin for trents interpretation
Also Exodus 21
Abortion is okay if God orders it...right? "He would never do that. He would never tell you to kill a baby!"? Oh? 1st Samuel 15:3
Hey Trent, how convenient of you to forget Jephta's daughter when you mentioned your god and sacrificing children. Would love to hear you explain that one away.
The bible does not judge Jephata's actions, it only relates them. Given "Thou shall not kill," I believe it is safe to assume that God did not want Jephata to sacrifice his daughter.
@@williamthompson4761 …so one has to second guess gods demands?
@@maxmaximus2608 I’m confused. What demand is being second-guessed?
Didn’t Jephata made a packt with God to win the war against the ammonites in exchange for sacrificing what comes out of his house first? God presumably knew that this means that he’d have to kill his daughter, otherwise he’d have the dog show up first…
@@williamthompson4761 He did not kill her, he sacrificed her to Yahew. Conclusion: We know of at least one occasion where the god christians worship demanded a child be sacrificed to him so he did want it.
Of course, our loving god is free to do anything, including killing folks for rather nefarious reasons. Great role model 😅
It still cracks me up that an Armenian woman works at a network called the young Turks
Depresses me.
Dang! I didn't know she was Armenian, that's like a jew working for a News Agency called Nazis or a black person working for an Agency called KKK lol
It's ironic in a bad way.
BuT iTs DiFfeRent!
@Tercio Novohispano Or christian wanting to demolish healthcare and refusing to pay taxes , goes strait against what Jesus said .
Also where is that feeding poor people , US christians are against free school lunches for kids , when Jesus was well know for hating kids , right ?
I'm not Catholic, but you've won a new subscriber today. Well done sir.
What are you?
@@colepriceguitar1153 A CHRISTIAN!
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Bro if u aren’t Catholic and you subscribed then you’re gonna be Catholic soon
Catholics are Christian... @@J_a_s_o_n
Thank you, Trent. I'm so tired of this disingenuous argument.
What else is a potion that makes her miscarry? What else is a test for an "Unfaithful wife"?
@@malirk tell us you havent watched the video. Without telling us you havent watched the video
@@malirk Is misscarrying an abortion ?🙄🙄🙄
@@J_a_s_o_n When intentionally induced, yes.
I hate the behavior of “I disagree with your worldview but your worldview also actually teaches what I believe”. I see it with Cenk here and I see it with some low Church evangelicals who disregard the Fathers but then use proof texts for Protestant distinctives like Sola Fide or Scriptura. It’s a very aggravating type of claim to respond to. Thank you Trent!
Papa Smoke- What Fathers are these you speak about?
Biblical scriptures are clear. God hates the shedding of blood !
Who are these church fathers you need??
Why would you care if other Christians believe in the infallibility of scripture first, or believed that faith in Jesus' atonement is our ultimate justification? It's not like justifying abortion.
@@saintejeannedarc9460 what you described is compatible with what Catholicism believes about scripture and justification. Those articulations of scripture and justification aren’t distinct to non-Catholic Christians
Second the reason we engage with other Christians like protestants and Eastern Orthodox about certain beliefs is because certain errors come from misunderstandings of what divine revelation teaches
Did TH-cam seriously put what and abortion is and how to get one on this video??? Disgusting
You can click the options on it to submit feedback about how the definition in that window is misleading, because how it's defined there would also include c-sections or even induced labor, where abortion always involves ending the life of the fetus. I recommend being polite if you do so to improve the chance of having impact on it.
Dude, we should make Zach and Neil fight!
@@drjanitor3747 Yet it is admitted by theologians that papal infallibility has never been used to define any moral teaching whatsoever.
it has only be used to define 2 dogmas about Mary which can not proved by any text of Scripture .
I really have my doubts when you mention heretical doctrine or is it simply heretical doctrine according to Dr Jan .
@@drjanitor3747 extremely based. but @PintsWithAquinas is too busy sweating/whining about his god the pope & his cult's issues to make any content taking up the cross/preaching the Gospel
@@drjanitor3747 Studying the teachings of Jesus Christ in the BIBLE (not the Church dummy).
God forgive them for twisting God's word. I pray they do so in ignorance, which is hard to argue with knowledge at our fingertips now.
They don’t do this in ignorance. They do this because they love their sin. Think about how you were before Christ. Everyone before Christ loves their sin and will rationalize sin with self deceit. These people have one thing waiting for them after death and sadly most of them are gonna go there because they choose self over Christ. Paul says in 2 Corinthians that the evil one of this world blinds the unbelieving to the deep meanings of scripture. (Paraphrasing)
Second Corinthians 4:3-4
@@bobbyrice2858 while I agree they probably do have ill intent, I try to remember the words of Christ on the cross (they know not what they do) and hope for their sake that it's the case or that they wake up from their sin.
There but for the grace of God go I. I do well remember my time before Christ broke in, and I believed a lot of lies.
@@Mrs_Homemaker with ya there sister. Night a day difference. I was like them. very liberal, wicked, it was bad. God can reach anyone he calls but its up to us to listen. Most however WILL go to Hell though.
@@Mrs_Homemaker humility is the only thing we have going for us as believers in Christ. It’s like the thief on the cross. We acknowledge our sin and ask him to remember us in heaven. What greater humility is that? The ultimate rock bottom humility of conversion. The problem with the proud and the arrogant like these we see in this video of the left is that they are blinded to the truth and because they are wealthy and rich it would be easier for the camel to go to the eye of the needle then for the proud and the rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. This doesn’t Necessarily mean rich people but rather The rich of that day were the proud and arrogant and those that felt they needed nothing. The left are made up of people that claim belief in God but on that day will say “Lord Lord did I not do this and that in your name”
ignorance? The odds are really in favor, most of what they say is in ignorance!
How do you respond to the passages in Exodus? It says if you kill a person, you get the death penalty. But if you hit a preganat woman, and that causes a miscarriage, you pay a fine.
The Bible is so obviously pro-choice, that millenia of scholars and thinkers just... missed it altogether! See, it really takes a non-believer to discern the true belief that's in the Bible.
Jay ......the Bible is pro-life and we are invited to experience life in the fullest extent even Eterrnal Life which was promised by Christ Jesus Himself
The Catholic Bible is definitely anti-abortion. Cenk Uygur is using is a non-Catholic bible in order to mislead people to believe his evil messages that God is pro-abortion & that the Catholic Bible is pro-abortion.
Somebody probably already rebutted you here but the TH-cam replies are glitching out so I can't see it.
Anyway please tell where verse does the bible say this after you ACTUALLY watch the video, as I assume you just posted this without seeing the video in the first place.
Trent would put TYT in a debate style triangle chokehold within minutes. God bless that man.
No one at TYT has ever picked up a Bible, but now they're making commentaries. They do something similar with history books about the Armenian genocide. They're also quite the constitutional scholars.
I'm not a Catholic but I've been waiting for you to make this video.
I haven’t started the video yet, but I’m dreading having to listen to clips of TYT.
Agreed. I’m listening to Trent and CA and also find this somewhat masochistic 😅
That young turks segment made me furious. ERRRRGH
Nicky yes the truth hurts and the young turks have a strong argument that cannot be refutted
@@peterj6740 nah. They're wrong. Lol. And speaking with faux authority about something they clearly know nothing about.
@@nickyb.5170 I simply say read what God said to Moses and quoted in Numbers 5 verse 11 onwards and truly say what you truly think in your heart of hearts .
To any person with an ounce of morality and especially for a woman would have to find that reading appalling .( read verses 21 and 22 )
@@peterj6740 Did you even watch the video? You can keep quoting verses all you want but without context they mean nothing.
Jeremiah 1:5. 'Nuff said.
Cenk Ugyur. What a strange weird name.
That is a rather rash judgement on your behalf to judge a person on their name and not their character .
@@peterj6740 his name, personhood and religion define who he is.
These are the rotten fruits of the protestant reformation. People need to recognize that once the Bible became a thing that all men and women can interpret according to their own wills, it was only natural that we would end up with arguments like this. Christ intended, very carefully, for us to be led by the Holy Spirit through His Church.
Yes, Cenk Uygur is a well known Protestant scholar who’s work is used to understand scripture
@@Npm4374 he was Muslim, a follower of pagan religion.
@@Npm4374 lol, sarcasm detected.
Yea the history of the Catholic Church shows a very careful leading of people………….
@@borneandayak6725 Islam is an heresy, not paganism. Please refrain from being a caricature.
The Young Jerks hahaha 😆 😂
Thank you for your good work, Trent! May God bless you and your family!
I forgot the Young Turks existed I’ll have to pray for them what a horrifying lie they’re spreading.
I think each perish around America should sent out flyers with Trents TH-cam channel so they can watch him. I think I'm going to pass out TH-cam cards after mass to youths and parents. We need to ignite the fire of passion in faith in our young members since they are constantly online exposed to people like these ignorants on young turks.
It’s amazing what people tell themselves so that they can keep sinning. Just shows that deep down they know it’s wrong. That’s how God made us - with knowledge of the moral code.
Yep, I’d argue the the Catholic Church is a utterly immoral institution. They constantly violate my (supposably) god given moral compass.
@@maxmaximus2608 Oh it’s you, Minimus, hanging out on TH-cam channels that don’t interest you.
@@kzbaby2002 yes, keeping on sinning and calling out none sense 😃
did the snake make us that after eating the fruit? God made us ignorant
@@jhoughjr1 go back to Sunday school with the 3 year olds 🤡🤡
Thank You! 🙏🏼
Ah yes Cenk, the former Muslim turned atheist who has such a raging hate boner for a god he doesn’t believe is real he literally(as in actually admitted in a interview) named his son Prometheus to spite God... which is both kinda pathetic and also kinda funny considering that according to Greek mythology Prometheus is actually the divine being that created mankind... hence WHY he stole fire to give it to man, he didn’t want to see his creation freeze to death in the dark.
Hearing Cenk get all melodramatic and yelling "YOUR God said that, YOUR GOD said that" reminds me of Billy Crystal's old routine about overacting in "The Ten Commandments". I'm waiting to Cenk to shout, "Where's your Messiah NOW?" Just because someone yells alot doesn't mean we need to take them seriously.
I love how TH-cam puts "health" next to the abortion warning. Seriously disgusting things going on in the Western part of the United States in those big tech HQs.
Trent absolutely nails it w/ this text, & the radical liberal joker was conveniently reading the NIV which I notice to be the only one that even mentions "miscarry," not that it even holds up w/ his imposing nonsense, he's just another scriptorturer that doesn't know the truth of sacred scripture, the holy faith & obviously the sanctity of life.. but why am I not surprised
Regarding the context box below the video:
You can click the options on it to submit feedback about how the definition in that window is misleading, since how it's defined there would also seem to include c-sections or even induced labor, where abortion always involves ending the life of the fetus. I recommend being polite/charitable if you do so, to improve the chance of having an impact on this mistake of theirs.
Abortion is the early ending of a pregnancy, it does not always result in killing. Even miscarriage is technically called a "spontaneous abortion" in the medical community.
@@greengandalf9116 Abortion always involves the death of a embryo or fetus, and a spontaneous abortion is different from induced abortion the same way euthanasia is different from death by natural causes
TYT’s? I can’t believe they still have an audience. 🤔
Some may agree and some may disagree and is it not what democracy is all about ?
It would be funny hearing people who don't believe in or respect the Bible pretend to be authoritative exegetes, if it was not being used to defend child sacrifice and this fallacious argument just won't go away.
And account the longsuffering of our Lord, salvation; as also our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, hath written to you: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, *which the unlearned and unstable twist, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction* . - 2 Peter 3:15-16
Love your vids Trent! I hope your enjoying your holiday season. Question, are you planning on making a response to the second half of trey the explainers video?
🙏🏼
To respond to the people that say breathing infers humanity… research ECMO a bit.
TYT is almost always wrong on every subject they talk about.
Should have put the Crowder Cenk in the thumbnail.
About as authentic as their version of the Bible message.
“This is bowl-shyte! Gimme my bacon 🥓 grease!”
Hermeneutics: the practice of torturing the text until the Bible says what you want it to say.
That's not about abortion. That's about miscarriage.
Do not assume that The Young Turks have the will or intellect prerequisite to represent people they disagree with, literature, or history [just look at their namesake and history of genocide denial] in good faith.
I’d be carful here: you are sitting in a Catholic glass house 😃
@@maxmaximus2608 Write clearly next time, hitchenite max...
@@Tzimiskes3506 I take this as a compliment…
Low hanging fruit, the young turks. But still entertaining rebuttal
Yes!
Please everyone leave feedback on TH-cams silly context blurbs.
Trent you should do a video rebutting the suggestion that ‘rape culture’ can be found in the New Testament. For example, there is a book called “sex, violence, and early Christian texts”. It doesn’t seem like a serious suggestion to me, but I think it would be worth rebutting.
He should do a rebuttal on another apologetic straw man?
The book is titled “sex, violence, and early Christian texts”. Are you so naïve that you think the New Testament contains all the early Christian texts?
@@cygnusustus Dude, what are you even talking about? I’m not worried for one second about those claims. Other people obviously believe it and therefore it would make sense to do a rebuttal video on it. Also, I know exactly which books are in the New Testament. Does everybody? Why would you even write a comment like this?
@@cygnusustus Corinthians is mentioned in the book and so are the gospels.
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You suggested that atheists claim "rape culture" can be found in the new testament, but you cited a book which deals with early Christian texts, not exclusively (or even inclusively) the new testament.
Sad that the difference needs to be explained to you.
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OK. What passages in Corinthians? Let's examine them.
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You can’t leave religion out of this Trent. There is no good secular case against most anything, let alone something as new age and nuanced as abortion.
Mafia tactics is what it is. That little human being is going to pose a threat to the lifestyle of those involved and a hit is put out on his or her little life.
Left California in 2012. I did look back once in 2013, but never since then.
Is there a need to refute these Turks???
Drinking this to prove fidelity or adultery actually takes place in the Protoevangelium of James (the source for many of the iconographic depictions of the life of Mary): "And the priest said: Give up the virgin whom you received out of the temple of the Lord. And Joseph burst into tears. And the priest said: I will give you to drink of the water of the ordeal of the Lord, and He shall make manifest your sins in your eyes. And the priest took the water, and gave Joseph to drink and sent him away to the hill-country; and he returned unhurt. And he gave to Mary also to drink, and sent her away to the hill-country; and she returned unhurt. And all the people wondered that sin did not appear in them. And the priest said: If the Lord God has not made manifest your sins, neither do I judge you. And he sent them away. And Joseph took Mary, and went away to his own house, rejoicing and glorifying the God of Israel."
People who accuse their opponents of unconsciously obsessing about sex or abortion or accuse them of being closet gays because they disagree with them are projecting.
Oh no: consciously! And I’d argue that this is a rather obvious fact 😅
Yeah it really upsets people when I say I can make pro-life arguments that doesn't rely on religion and then proceed to do so.
Hey Trent, not sure if you take requests from comments but I thought that maybe its a good idea to do rebuttals to modern Judaism!
For example the arguments they make that scriptural messianic prophecy that Christians hold are not actually about the Messiah
Christ be with you my friend.
God Bless You
His arguement did sound convincing and perturbing, but hearing him yell "your GOD" and hearing that he's using a faulty translation (and telling us not to look any further no less) shows he's an absolute conman.
This also shows the danger of Sola Scriptura.
Thank you!
Oh, sure it’s the translation! I totally forgot! It also might be a hint that the entire Bible, no matter which translation one uses, isn’t really trustworthy?
OF COOOOOOUUUUURRRRRRSSSSSEE! This is how Chunk always is, much bluster little substance
@@maxmaximus2608 did you watch the video at all? Trent showed that the “translation” he used was not accurate (I use scare quotes because I think his attempted quotation was mostly made up with him adding words that are not actually in any translation) and that even if it was accurate it would not prove anything
@@Michael-bk5nz why scare quotes? Trent’s second argument was on the translation and version of the Bible Cenk used. And I personally find this a rather weak point as it undermines the notion of the Bible being the word of god, given all the various versions published and the resulting differences in its interpretation. That’s my point and it is rather irrelevant whether Cenks take on it is correct.
@@maxmaximus2608 the fact that a book can be translated badly means that it is an unreliable book. Really? That is your argument, that for the Bible to be the Word of God each translator must be infallible and translate perfectly. So, I guess your next argument is going to be that it must also be impossible for anyone to misquote it.
Second Corinthians 4:3-4
“Context” warning LOL
Based Trent Horn is based
My Finnish Bible (1933/38 translation) mentions fertility once in the whole Numbers 5:11-31 passage, and that's the closest word mentioned that's even related to pregnancy. Even if we falsely presupposed and attempted to intrepret that the passage talks about miscarriage, instead of reading it plainly as it is, even then it would only vaguely imply miscarriage.
Abortion is never directly mentioned in the bible. I understand it's still forbidden under the commandment not to murder. Why do you think the Didache mentions abortion directly, but the bible does not? I've wondered that since I read the Didache.
25:56 Before Trent starts to answer, here is my take.
To St. Thomas Aquinas, apart from some miraculous pregnancies (Our Lord, Our Lady and St. John), the normal fetus didn't become a human being before day 40.
This means, to him, very early abortions weren't murder. But they were still the highest degree of sin against nature, even before sodomy and bestiality. And obviously, he had no qualms about these crimes being punished by death both in the Old Law and in the contemporary Christian legislation, ergo, he was very far from proposing legality of abortion.
This view of the fetus is taken over from Aristotle, and perhaps Avicenna too. It was not there in the early Church Fathers, and in St. Thomas' own time quite a lot of Eastern Orthodox (or even all of them) took the opposite view, voiced by St. Basil or St. John Chrysostom (I think Basil). And some of these were perhaps still in double communion (like Kyiv was in communion both with Rome and Constantinople) and some of these alse were later united to the Catholic Church.
So, St. Thomas' view should not be taken as being that of the Church universal back then.
Trent I need you to take a look at Jason Whitlock's show on TH-cam called Fearless. He did two different shows talking about the "Black Hebrew Israelite" faith. I need and want you to rebutt this. Too many people are falling for this false ideology. 😪
Excellent video.
He said “if you don’t believe me open it up for yourself” well I did KJV says it rots her thigh which (means she becomes infertile I think?)
CSB Says it makes your womb shrivel
ESV Says it makes your thigh fall away
NIV is the only one that says miscarriage
First, I think the arguments are the right ones. I tell to myself, when in doubt, go to the latin version, in this case "putrescere faciat femur tuum, et tumens uterus tuus disrumpatur". There's a reason why our Holy Mother the Church uses Latin as the main language. Second, even if God ordered a miscarriage (which is not the case), there is a similar situation in the new testament, when Jesus Christ "corrected" the law of Moses. I'm talking of the "divorce" situation. Even if the law of Moses allowed for abortion (which is not the case), Jesus Christ has already given the way that law should be interpreted.
I find the opposite. Prolife are usually religious. Those with religious views don't defend abortion by law but by scripture.