Paul O'Connell might be ahead of Ronan O'Gara for the Ireland job
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Brian O'Driscoll joins Joe Molloy to discuss Ronan O'Gara's success as a head coach at La Rochelle and why he may not be likely to coach at any point.
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Usually agree with BOD but not on this one! O Gara's CV is so far ahead of O Connolls.
A hint of sour grapes here.
Na
Definitely!
A whole bowl full
Well that's unbelievable 😂
Haa
Only a dope would come out and say something like that in public. ROG is miles ahead of any coach in Europe right now. 😂😂😂
O'Driscoll pumping for his mates... ROG is a genius..who dislikes D4 heads as much as they like him.. Probably why the LRFU won't hire him.. yes..L..
Brian seems a bit bitter 😂 how can you say Paul ahead of ROG
BOD gets the people selection thing so wrong so often! Pushing Byrne junior to replace Sexton is just one example of dubious people judgement. Or just the D4 mindset. How he can suggest POC is ahead of ROG for the Ireland job is dubious thinking. Continuity in preference to brilliance! Bring back Eddie O’Sullivan why don’t ya!
Green eyed monster.. BOD let his guard down here..
I'm a Leinster man but O'Connell doesn't have the coaching success ROG has. You have to earn that as club head coach and O'Connell, while a great assistant coach week had transformed our scrum success, he had zero head coaching experience and that's very different to being a scrum coach and focusing on one area. ROG has the better CV so even I as a Leinster man would be outraged if O'Connell got it over him
What has being a Leinster man got to do with anything. POC and ROG are both Munster men
Superficial reasons. Poc is involved with the Irish set up, he knows the systems and clearly has a close relationship with the players. Rog is obviously a proven head coach now, but it’s hard to judge how the players will react to him, especially given the amount of Leinster players involved with Ireland. And I’m sure BOD has talked to a few of them. This is a bit more complicated as to just who has the better cv.
ROG has no international experience coaching.
Brian not giving RoG the credit he deserves . O'Gara's personality is a massive part of his success. Maybe Brian is not taken in by the hype or maybe he thinks it's a bit fake. He's wrong there IMO.
I think it’s just jealousy ROG has gone and done it as a coach starting from scratch after his playing career where as o’Driscoll has taken the easy option of media work after his career which I am not knocking it’s his choice but can see he doesn’t like someone else getting the kudos they deserve
Maybe you're not giving the Irish coaching staff the credit they deserve.
@@Chris-vw8yj I have huge respect for what the coaching staff have done with Ireland and it’s been seriously impressive stuff but at the end of the day the head guy is Farrell and ROG has been a head coach two years now and has achieved so much in that time! Personally I can’t see the Irish job coming available for a good while yet and ROG is still a young coach but I do think he has done more than POC so far and should in my opinion be ahead of him in the line for the head coach
Letting ROG away to coach England would be the greatest gift since we gave them FATHER. TED .
O'Gara has served his time,
Was widely respected in NZ, obviously demands the same respect in France.
Is a proven winner at every level of life and has a deep understanding of rugby across the field.
On paper, Paul O'Connell isn't close enough to stand in O'Gara's shadow, in international coaching terms.
Here here 👌👍👏
Agreed, I'd leave POC as forwards coach, suspect he'd want that too. I would be concerned what Rog can bring to a team who can't just steamroll with 120+kg players. Would love to see him take Munster first see how he goes
ROG has No International experience coaching. O Connells has the same international expertises as ROG has.
Bod should have taken a week before coming on the show. Went to town on his former team mates and failed to give the best coach in world rugby the credit he deserves
Changing the Irish coaching staff 😂 This is a ridiculous discussion. Maybe bringing him in as a consultant before the RWC in his current form and knowing the Irish players, is about it. Pointless to be talking about head coach succession now.
If Andy Farrell left tomorrow then one of the current Irish coaches are the only ones who should step up. Playing really entertaining rugby, a series win in NZ, a grand slam, beat South Africa and Australia, only lost to France at home the previous year. Why is there even a conversation here.
Down the line if ROG is still producing results at the club level, and if Scott Robertson does a good job going from club to test head coach, then maybe consider him, otherwise possibly give him a side role.
When Farrell does go which I hope ain't any time soon , don't make the mistake the ALL BLACKS done by just keeping it in house ,, you need to hear a different voice that's why O'Gara should get it
BOD is way off on this one, POC is years behind on the head coach process. ROG has done the hard yards and the time spent with Robertson at the crusaders cannot be understated as the massive springboard for ROG’s learning. Mark my words Scott Robertson is unique, and will go down as one of the best head coach’s in rugby, people like ROG will be needed on the international scene to be able to compete. The set up in the crusaders thought ROG about understanding people, the players, the family’s, the fans, the brand, the environment, the winning dynasty feel and most importantly how to maintain it and separate good from great! That’s what he meant about the journey(not about rugby comment). BOD has a great affection for POC which is obvious but he is way off on his prediction or opinion. If ireland let ROG slip it will be to their own detriment.
Well said and it’s so clear the POC has done nothing on the level of ROG coaching wise to suggest POC is ahead in the pecking order just makes BOD look stupid and jealous of ROG’s success
O my, what a revealing interview. So Brian and Ronan don't get along. It's pretty silly to think that a forwards/lineout coach (and of course we love Paulie here in Munster) would be a better candidate than someone with ROG's coaching experience--he put in the hard yards before he got the top job--and then he has delivered what he has at La Rochelle, is pretty whack.
Well said 👌 however good o’Connell is doing as a coach still does not match up to ROG as a head coach and also ROG has gone and studied the game abroad first in France then down to New Zealand and now back to France and he has delivered everywhere
They’re great friends what are you talking about 🤦♂️
@@alanfinn77 ROG has no head coach international experience, same as O Connell.
Ahh the continuity/progression argument from BOD. Be careful, learn from what we're going through down here in NZ with Ian Foster. We went through crap to finally get back to the guy who should have got the job in the first place because he has a much better head coaching record. The problem is he (Razor), who ROG assisted at the Crusaders by the way, doesn't come in until after the world cup. So for now Foster is who we got and have to support him.
O Connell and ROG will do Munster together 1st and then the Ireland job together.
They will not
@@jack-xz7px most likely will
@@seanirish6173 lol, Munster fan here, would love to see it but highly doubt it
ROG won't touch Munster. You don't leave LAR for Munster (coming from a Munster fan). He will manage internationally first and likely go to Munster at some stage later in his career.
I'd love ROG to coach Scotland
I think Drico, the fan, showed up today and not the rugby expert. Logic would dictate picking ROG for a variety of reasons. As BoD said himself. It's just his own opinion. I'd say a straw poll would have ROG miles ahead. I found Drico had some really strange comments today. Seems devastated about the loss. The arrogance from many leinster fans, playerd and more so pundits pre final are coming back to bite them hard.
URC didn't matter to Healy and Porter. Well, you've nothing now for years for all your arrogant talk.
Leinster will find a way again. For all the talk they were big men blah blah. I was at the match and yeah they were under the pump but there was only 1 point in it. It would be a different conversation if they won by won by 1 point. I don’t buy it but the last 10 minutes they had there opportunity and didn’t take it. Leinster are a brilliant team and I believe they will evolve again. Let La Rochelle have there moment in the sun. SUMO.
His comment on this not about a rugby it's about a journey
Surely ROG is using that statement to inspire players, enthuse their mindset
Baffled me that BOD doesn't get that
ROG is ahead of everybody, not just Paulie
ROG has no international coaching experience(head coach), fact.
BOD picking apart ROG with patronising jokes, he’s clearly reeling after that Leinster loss!
We are so lucky to have two great home grown options
Forgetting the Saracens coach, the bok coach felix Jones.
The definition of luck
When preparation meets opportunity
Could be wrong but I'm not sure Paulie would relish the role of head coach. It's a different role completely and requires even more time commitment, which might not suit his lifestyle
He seems to enjoy the freedom of coming in and out whenever needed, in the role he has now. Agreed that head coach doesn’t seem suited to him.
💯 agree, as a Leinster fan, would rather see Rog go to Munster first, see what he can do without a monster pack
@Jeffrey not going to happen unfortunately. ROG has his eyes set on international level next. I could apply a similar argument re Cullen. If he didn't have access to the huge amount of semi professional players coming out of the Leinster school system, would he be as successful?
@@patman142 good question, I don't rate Cullen that highly tbh but I don't think that's fair critisicism. Rugby being more popular and better structured in Leinster is the result of planning and investment a long time ago. Munster relied heavily on clubs not schools but didnt capitalise on munsters success and invest in structure (those clubs). There's still huge untapped potential in Munster I think and with two stars in the naughties that shouldn't be the case
@Jeffrey I think the argument is similar. Both have advantages that a lot of other clubs don't. Both have done well and very well in the recent past when it comes to ROG. What I see from ROG is an incredible man manager and someone who knows how to get the best out of every player at his disposal. He will also milk a situation to the nth degree to maximise impact, just like we saw at the weekend so to suggest it was down to just having a better pack of forwards is wide of the mark IMHO
Disagree with many of the comments don’t think BOD not giving ROG his due more of a case of saying POC is in line for Ireland job as already part of the set up 🤷🏻♂️
Does this suggest the Ireland rugby establishment is not onside to appoint ROG anytime soon?
I don't see it that way. ROG has had at least 3 assistant coach jobs, in some top level clubs, has paulie?
Yeah, Clubs not international. O,Connell has been part of the Successful Irish set up for a while.
"Ronan O'Gara, what more can ya say about this guy?".... BOD: "I hate him" 😂
If the Paddies don't take ROG as their head coach, we Frogs will be happy to oblige when Galthie decides to move on.
O gara is a million miles ahead of o connell, munster could dominate the irish club scene if they win next weekend, hard to know how leinster will react next season, Andy Farrell will sort out their heads in August no doubt, imagine o gara and o connell linking up some day with some of those u20's
Though I agree with most of what you said, there’s no way that Munster are going to dominate the Irish scene irrespective of next weekend.
Leinster will drown their sorrows but I expect them to bounce back next year. Might even have some fully loaded derbies again, which would be great
@@stevebarnes8368 maybe, but they're not going to do it with the byrne brothers, good decent professionals but at the top level when it counts??? Not for me.
@@Kenny-zn6dl would agree with you there.
Ross has great moments and then last Saturday. I don’t mind misses too much but not sinking back into the pocket? There was no option for a dropgoal.
It might be a wait and see on the outhalf front
@stevebarnes8368 we will only appreciate how good mr sexton is and when the time comes was in both Jerseys, he's not done yet and hope to christ he stays fit for September/October 👍
@@Kenny-zn6dl yep, same sentiments here.
Kind of surprised that Leo is not somewhere in the conversation
He comes across as a director more than the manager on the day. Maybe Nuciforas role would suit him?
@@barryryan14 Possibly, but after the dark Matt O'Connor Days, Leo has turned Leinster around massively, developed some amazing young players, and laid a foundation for Leinster and Ireland for the next decade
All the talk about ROG & no doubt he is a great coach BUT no one ever mentions Leo C. Look at his record. First person to win a European trophy as player and coach. Other silverware 4 URCs & 2 Irish Shields. Coach of the year x2. His ability to get the best from players & other coaches is 2nd to none & he has built a dynasty at a Leinster that can attract icons of the sport.
Sounds like ROG face doesn't fit in Ireland. If he's behind Farrell & POC he's not going to wait 6+ years for an international job. I can't see him managing England but Wales, Scotland or maybe even France within the next 4 yrs I can see.
Rightfully or wrongly not sure ROG will have the Leinster contingent on board due to various bits of niggle. POC already has the respect of the four provinces. That is hugely important.
Can ye upload the full interview?
I am from Munster and a Munster fan actually both ROG and POC are from Munster so not sure what the sour grapes point is about. My point is if you are head coach of Irl and want a successful national side you need buy in from the four provinces. POC has proven he has this in spades ROG not sure he will have this. Time will tell.
Did a much longer interview go missing here?
To all the people saying BO'D is salty/bitter etc. It's called being a Leinster fan less than a week after a horrible day.
Why are Ireland playing so well? Leinster. Why are Leinster playing so well? Leo Cullen. No one else is getting Irish players to world class level.
Fair play BOD, always gives an opinion and an honest one at that…
Doing a ROG there Brian, nice stirring of the pot
Pass the salt please Brian
POC ahead of ROG? Amazing.
I think the most interesting point of what BOD is saying is he feels the IRFU view POC as next in line before ROG. But look it we know the IRFU or the D4s arent ROG's biggest fan. We know that from the send off or lack there of.
So ROG was very definitely cast aside and is more likely to take a test coaching position with another union, but that can also be said of donnacha ryan. The IRFU in their infinite wisdom denied Ryan a centralised contract when he was arguable the best lineout operator in the country. I know this was one of the reasons Ryan moved to france and played on as a central figure for Racing.
A lot munster supporters remember this with bitter regret considering other high profile players with long term injuries had their IRFU contracts renewed. It was seen as clear preferential treatment for leinster players.
The merits of comparing ROGs career with Paulies are zero here because ROG is in head coach territory vs Paul being in the assistant category albeit one is at test level and the other at club level. ROG prepares his team as if its a test team and to be fair he is dominating the absolute highest level of club rugby and you could argue that LAR team would beat most test level opposition. It would be interesting if he organised for some touring nations to play LAR just to see how it would play out.
I do take BODs point that succession planning is extremely important to maintain momentum but that would imply a continuation of systems with incremental changes. In fairness thats not what weve seen with this current Ireland team. Andy farrell has revolutionised the way Ireland play while keeping some core fundamentals ( some of which Paul is responsible for ) ie the breakdown. Ireland have a completely new attacking system even down to how they run into contact, guys now run at the gaps between defenders looking to stretch them and lay the ball off where previously they ran straight into bodies with the aim of wearing the opposition down physically.
So for me thats not a continuation but rather a revolution and thats why it took them some time to build reps.
In summation IMO if ROG becomes available at round about the same time as the Ireland Job whenever that happen then you simply cannot turn down that opportunity because youll have to face him regardless and got proven headcoach credentials.
Shpeal over 😀
ROG is by far a more genuine person than BOD everything he says is biased and contrived
But we dont need new manager for a long time
Why are you even talking about replacing Farrell....he's done nought wrong and will likely hold on his job for another world cup no matter what happens in September. The England job will become available before any other in my opinion.
Anyone get the feeling BOD is not the biggest fan of ROG? Is BOD hurting from what La Rochelle has done to his beloved Leinster? Hmmmmmmmmm
Unfortunately Ireland dont have the physicality of the la rochelle players so what game plan would ROG bring??
Lost by point nonsense
@@seanirish6173 Leinster made it a close game due to speed not physicality
@@djambo8887 lenister could play them 10 times most likely win at least 7
Leinster lost when it counts simple as that saying they would hypothetically win 7/10 times is stupid because they have lost 3/3 against LAR in real life not hypothetically and doesn’t matter if a team loses by 1 point or 100 they still lost and that’s all that will be remembered
I think you guys are missing my point. ROG has a different game plan than the way Ireland play so I don't know if he would suit is what I'm saying here
So so many stupid comments on here.
Incumbancy in the set up matters. That's why we have Farrell, and look at how NZ have been for years.
Where's the full video?
Podbean app
Le Figaro today: Rugby : O'Driscoll préfèrerait voir O'Connell plutôt qu'O'Gara à la tête de l'Irlande
Paul next
I think ROG is in pole position currently when the Irish head coach becomes available but that is a few years away hopefully. Why does no one ever mention mark McCall for potential Irish coach of the future. He has been highly successful with a good Saracens side. Despite people using Saracens scandals in the past he is a proven good coach who built a good side over many years.
I’m sure McCall was in the conversation but probably not in the top tier.
''I thought he would be a good coach, but....''
Would La R beat most national sides? Similar to Man City who could beat any national side.
Leinster would beat most international sides too
The Munster side from the 2000-2015 period spears to have produced quite a few coaches coming through now. POC, ROG, Jones, Holland, prendergast, leamy, Flannery, Fogarty ect, from the comparative Leinster team there appears to have been less coaches coming through. Cullen could be argued is more a manager type than coach & probably a Leicester coaching product where he learned more about professionalism that he brought back with Jennings. More of the Leinster contemporaries appear to be talkers, did they do more time in Media studies? Quinlan is the exception for Munster obviously.
What a problem to have.....
Agree with BOD, seems to make very fair points.
Oh yeah totally unbiased from BOD I don’t think so he is jealous and devastated his d4 buddies have lost again they all thought they would win it and ROG has turned them over once again and this time in their own back yard!! Don’t think ROG will give a hoot what BOD’s opinion is he has done nothing since his playing career and his ego misses being the centre of attention
Would ROG be as effective without massive units like Skelton, Atonio and Botia?
POC took an under-performing Irish pack and has made them absolutely world-class.
Don't drink the same kool aid a BOD
Racing, bag of money, crusaders All Black's, LR bag of money....Munster...no money, He wouldn't touch them as they have no money.
Why is there even talk like that. If anyone it would be Leo Cullen
😂😂😂
ROG is the best head in the world right now. 3 Finals in a row and the possibility of the double with the TOP 14 .....whats Brian smoking 😅😅