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- Some Dominicans and Haitians in New York are trying to mend fences between their compatriots at home. Clarivel Ruiz and Steve Azor, CEO of 'Ayiti Deploge,' talk on on the project "Dominicans Love Haitians," full of music and poetry.
TC-168-13. This innocuous set of letters and numbers is the official name of a law passed in the Dominican Republic two and a half years ago, a law that turned a long-held set of prejudices into active discrimination. It was aimed at people of Haitian descent living in the Dominican Republic, and it has made a poor relationship even worse.
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This segment originally aired March 2, 2016.
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To understand this you need to go back into the history of both countries:
The massacre of Moca, this was a massacre that took place in Santo Domingo on April 6, 1805 lead by tyrants Dessalines and Christophe with 40,000 Haitian soldiers. Municipalities of Santo Domingo (Monte Plata, Cotuí, La Vega, Santiago and Moca) were reduced to ashes and troops killed Dominicans, including children who were beheaded in a church, during a failed attempt to overthrow Jean-Louis Ferrand.
67 times did the Haitians tried to invade Dominican Republic in recorded history (with 22 years of continuous invasion) from 1801 up to 1867 when the Haitian government of the time finally accepted dominican independence.
Dominicans fought and defeated the Haitians after 22 long years of massacres and cruelty occupation in 1844. The Dominican Republic was created against the Haitian occupation not against the Spanish occupation unlike all Spanish colonies did.
We also fought against the spaniards for the DR on multiple occasions
Dominicans hate Haitians? I would have to ask. Do Haitians love Dominicans? What I really don't understand is why Dominican Republic has to be responsible for Haiti's flaws. Haitians should blame their governmente for not developing their country. Dominicans have had to struggle very hard to develop the country, and now the entire world says we are bad. Dominicans have tried many times to legalize Haitians, but hey don't even have birth certificates from their country of origin, some only are know because of a nme and don't have a surname. How can you legalize people that have not existed? On the other hand, Haiti has not developed because of a fine they had to pay to the France for many, many years.
I’m gonna say this with no hard feelings for either sides I am Haitian and one of my bff’s is Dominican. Haiti needs to get their government straight, stop getting aid from America the same country helped in destroying us, they need to some how get the money that the french stole. I can understand how stressful it must be to have people pouring in when there’s enough people and not enough for all. Dominican Republic needs to stop being colorist and stop deporting native born Haitians. I also want to Apologize for my country on what they did to you guys, enslaving DR was low and disgusting. I’m sorry that this happened to you and words and apologies won’t be enough but I hope that when Haiti gets their priorities straight they will help in aiding DR and have a respectful relationship.
Preachhh SIS. But you don't need to aplogize for something you didn't do. Just because other people did it doesn't mean you would everybody is diff. I also apolgize for evrything happening in D.R I am disgusted with whats happening, and I personally come from a Dominican family with diff skin colors and we love all backgrounds and would never do such thing.
Wao! Thank you for writing that. Dominicans don't hate Haitians, we have helped them in many ways such as free schools, health, provided jobs, etc. But, the Dominican Republic is an undeveloped country, ans there is alot of poverty in the DR. Many Dominicans go hungry all day. On the other hand, we feel Haitians hate us despite what we do.
Haitians never enslaved DR
It’s obvious you ignorant and just listen to Dominican bf, Haitian never enslaved DR
Haitians in Miami Make alot of Money. Helping your people out is the problem. We are afraid to take risks and losses. That's the problem.
The Europeans and Spain people put that NEGATIVE to each other
haitians did it
THIS PEOLE IF U LOVE HAITI. GO HELP THEM IN THEIR COUNTRY. IM NOT AGAINST HATIANS. IM AGAINST THE MASIVE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION 0F HAITIANS ON DR. WHY DONT U TALK ABOUT HAITIANS GOVERMENT? ITS SAD HOW HAITIANS ARE ALWAYS BLAMING DR FOR THEIR ISSUES. DR AND HAITIANS ARE DOFFERENT IN MANY ASPECTS FRO EXAMPLE MUSIC, LENGUAGE, RELIGION.
Their country? My guy, it's all one tiny island.
@@ese4832 so what ? dr it's not haiti haiti is a failed state they don't belong to the other side
The island is divided between two Nation's. Both have entirely different demographic origins and both have constitutions based on Ethnic origins. Because this for example no Dominican would be able to live in Haiti because their constitution states like D.R. a person must be born of ... Father or mother ... Etc. There social and economic problem on the island mainly due to Haiti's lack of state building and chronic poverty. Political movements like this hurts from people in the diaspora truly being informed about this issue.
Propaganda continues lol
Nomada Sin Rumbo I see right through it... IT IS ONE ISLAND WITH AN ENTITY WITHIN IT FEELING THAT IT'S DIFFERENT FROM WHERE IT CAME FROM. people will use any excuse to make us seem different including, language, race, religion, old hate....
Gedais Bathlette we are different get that into your head. Haitias belong in haiti and Dominicans in DR.
Danzo shimura but the love of the dominican people is our greatest token... because we know y'all speak lies when you say you hate us. We are the kings of your hearts that you try to dethrone with a red hot inferno of hate knowing damn well that it's futile and you can't stop loving us. Haitians win in this game of love and hate... Tell the world despise us, tell the world the sight of our black skin revolts you, tell them that you aren't kin to us, but haitians know that we will always have your love no matter how badly you deny it... Isn't that the most sacred possession we could ever obtain from you people? Your love....
Gedais Bathlette hahahaha..minimum you must be smoking something...this guy is living in a world of fantasy...dude take a look to this video and the comments and dislikes and, please tell me if Dominicans carw about skin color or if they want haitians in DR? Dominicans dont hate haitians what Dominicans dont want haitians in DR because we all know that in any chace you get, we gonna be six feet under...you are the ones who invaded us and tried to invade us 15 times but, we Dominicans are the ones full of hate?
Play. Nosotros los dominicanos amamos a los haitianos, pero en Haití no en RD
She's wrong we were not one nation the European came first and founded the island I mean after the tainos but blacks were not native to the spanish island.
The comments demonstrate why this movement is so necessary. DLH all day.
Fuck you!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't you know the Dominican Republic is the only country in America continent that has fought 2 wars against the mighty USA army, 1916 and 1965?
We are proud and braves and we do not take orders from anybody; just ask the Haitians what happened to them when they tried to unify the island; event how we were a small army without any war experience.
Ask the State department about our bravery when they invaded our country and then you will know why the Haitians can not even think or dare to invade with its army again to our country;
Do you want to know why?
because in the moment of any crisis we became just one, that is our big strength; one heart one love all for our country until the last Dominican is dead we will still fighting; Do No Mess with the Dominican Republic !!!
You guys are making things worst because the most you hate us, then we get more united, and then we can take measures against the undocumented Haitians that are actually living peacefully in the Dominican Republic.
So do not continue to Fuck with our country because we can force our Dominican government to take drastic measures against the almost 2 million Haitians back home and it will be more problems for the Haitians populations in DR.
"Nearly two weeks after the passage of Hurricane Matthew on the country, thousands of victims of the remotest corners still await the arrival of the authorities. But since Wednesday, the debate is no longer seeking to understand how to help them, but it revolves around the question of the Dominican humanitarian aids. The photo showing the impressive Dominican convoy already angry "nationalist" even before his arrival in the country. For some, the Haitian authorities should have categorically denied this assistance provided by our neighbor. Lest it hinders national sovereignty. For others, you have to put pride aside and think of preference to these suffering people. It must touch .."
No other country has assisted Haiti like the DR. Educate me please. In which country illegals can go to school, use health facilities, work, etc. Inlived in the States for many years, and my sister almost lost a school year cause my mom was an immigrant. Unfortunately, Haiti has had crooked governments much worst then the DR, but why is it our fault.
@@jacquelinesantelises4407 Porque es mas fácil que arregla ellos mismo su problemas.
What dominican yo reme haitian im haitian
If Cuba goes through something real Horrific, the Miami Cubans will immediately get on their boats and planes and head striaght for Cuba to assist. Thats the ptoblem that Haitians wont do for Haiti. Assist.
The want all the Points in a game and wont play Point Guard.
yes, basically the problem with haitians is haitians themselves and they don't want to see that
viva Brazil, chilly. sac passe'.
fuck.......... 103 dislike 1 like lol
DONT FORGET ABOUT THE PARSLEY 🌿 MASSACRE
Don’t forget what happened to our ancestors in 1822 all the way through 1844 and several other atrocities committed by the Haitians.
Don’t forget about the MOCA massacre in 1805 where Haitians killed white and blacks Dominicans for no reason
@@expertking2517 what are u even talking about ??? We never killed no Haitians nor Dominicans in 1805 💀💀 we never killed black peoples WE KILLED THE SLAVES MASTERS
@@Freddy-yb4jk trulijo killed black dominicans and hatians both leaders did wrong but it has not to do nothing with the people we have to forgive
Trujillo killed black Dominicans too tho . He just was a racist/colorist guy . Trust me I am a chocolate Dominican woman and I have been treated poorly by some white Dominicans, Puerto Rican’s, Colombians etc. It’s not a “Dominican” thing. Ignorance, racism, self hate is EVERYWHERE unfortunately. That is the result of colonialism. It is up to US to undo that. My husband is Haitian and we get along great.
Some of dem
i dont want to offend anybody
but there's a video of haitians sh*t*ng in our flag an we still love them
we arent descriminating
a lot of people just dont get that
LONG SHORT STORY:
haitians wanted to rule the entire island so we dominicans gave them part of them and we of course keeped a part
so haitians wanted the entire island just for them
and haiti was a country with pretty poor people so
they came to our side of the island and are know working in R.D (D.R)
we are all in peace know and are happy
:))
114 dislikes? Wow!
yes, and this video does not have less likes because not many Dominicans know about this video...these people want us Dominicans party and have a blast with haitians when Dominicans dont want nothing to do with haitians..
Danzo shimura explain why?
Nuwla Dominicans want nothing to do with haitians..the Dominicans whose have watched this video, they gave a thumb down because they dont agree with what's been spoken here..haitians have been murdering Dominicans since the 1800s but now they want Dominicans to hold hands and huge them when we know that haitians what they want is to wipe out Dominicans out of DR and own the whole island...
Danzo shimura sad
@@danzoshimura5774 Yes.
Dominicans always denies their blackness. They are always so quick to disassociate themselves with Haiti. Truthfully you can’t tell most of us apart by just looking at them.
Read history the history tell you the truth about Dominicans and Haitians problems, stop use race as a weapon!!!
We are proud to be black too, but do not make the mistake saying that we are Haitian!
Just look at Sammy Sosa, David Ortiz (Big Papi), Romeo Santos, Bladimir Guerrero; do not make the mistake to call then Haitian; event how there are very proud and loved black Dominican, never Haitians.
Dominicans is a rainbow mix of culture as well as races!
Dominicans come together and resolve our Owen problems by ourselves and we do not wait for somebody else to resolve our own problems; we do in Dominican way!
Is not about color is about our difference Culture!
Luis Medina Not true I meet a lot black Dominicans that say I’m not black. brother it’s the same island there’s Haitians that migrated to DR and Dominicans that went to Haiti. They eat very similar food and there’s a mixture of people in Haiti also. It’s a slave mentality for us to think one is better than the other.
@@sbristout
You guys are not focusing on the real and unique problems of Haiti!
Wichs are the Government and its economics elite and Castas; a combine is of the most corrupt on the whole world!
Color is a thing that you are focusing on and is something that neither of you can change, but the government and its corrupted class welfare against the poor Haitian you can working out to make tangible changes.
Stop focusing on Dominican people, because we have our own problems to resolve the Haitians problems.
Haitians problems have to be resolve within Haitians; never it will be a solution for Haitians in detriment of the Dominican as a solution; Never ever will the Dominican Republic will be the solution for Haitians malaises; I promise that with my life. We as Dominican rather want the Spaniola island to Sinks in the bottom of the Caribean sea !!!!
And I am one of the softer Dominican people that stand firm related to the Haitians Issues !!!
Stop and think about a real and everlasting solution for Haiti; If Haiti is never have been a viable state from its star.
We as Dominican always wanted that Haiti became a stable and developed country; it will be better for us, but the root of the problem is the Economic Elite which always has been the real beneficiary of the tragedy of Haiti neverending history!
If you guys continue to do the same thing and having the same result then you all are a fool!
@@sbristout
You are suffering from PSSM (Post Syndrome Slave Mentality) and still living of welfare;
How so many people still living in the most developed country and still for centuries living under that shameful conditions and do not move on?
That is why the black people from Africa, the Caribean, and others latitude in the world do not have respect for any of you!
Obama became the first and will be the only black president on USA history, because he have had never had that mentality; but yes even though a black leader as Jessie Jackson said horrible things about Obama and then tried to deny it and making a story that was a mic fault.
Have you noticed how the successful black Americans when became Millonier they marry a white or Latina women?
You can look at the long list by yourself and do not be surprised why!
BUT LOOK HATIANS GOVERMENT DOES NOT PROVIDE BIRTH CERTIFICATE TO ITS OWN PEOPLE. IM TIRES OF THIS SHIT. HAITI NEEDS TO BE REBUILD WITH UNITE STATES HELP AND OTHER COUNTRIES. DR IS TIRED THIS IS SAD AND IS A SHAME. HAITIANS MENTALITY. SHAME
99% of Dominicans are haitians by ancestry because they wouldn't have skin color and woolly.....the irony. At the end of the day Dominicans do love haitians because they love themselves so much not realizing they love the African features, skin tone, big butts, curves, athletic bodies, frizzy, curly, woolly hair, brown eyes etc.....these are African attributes.......if Dominicans were 100% white they wouldn't look exotic,... Black is beautiful .
@*oh no* actually, that is true. The entire island, prior to being renamed by Christopher Columbus, or Cristobal Colon, was called Ayiti, which means mountainous. So in actuality, you are still Haitian. You just happen to rather identify with your colonizing Conquistador, Spain. Shame isn't it?
Africa and Haiti are two different things. 😂🤦🏾♂️
Google Santiago Dominican Republic marathon 2018 and you tell me if they’re the typical image of Haiti . Keep dreaming
Ok nuestros ancestros son haitianos 😂😂😂 creía que eran africanos y españoles
I cannot agree that 99% of Dominican are Haitians. Remember, the Spaniard were the first one that came to the country. Dominicans have a mix color of white, mulatoes, yellow, black, etc. If 99% would be Haitians the majority would look like Haitians, It is very easy to distinguish a Haitian from a Dominican and not just because of the language, but by their skin tone. No offense.
Que mala propaganda le tienen a RD que pena que no se le va adar estos República Dominicana se respeta a aun que algunos de esto quieran aserle daño llevenselo para su casa
Haiti and the Dominican Republic are demographically and culturally different. Both of their constitutions are based on ethnic origins like Japan. Ethnicity based on color is a social construct. Dominican's are a heterogeneous ethnic group while Haitians are a homogeneous ethnic group. We have entirely different demographic origins on the island. Both nation's have a complex history, mutual understanding should not come from a revisionism of it. Both sides should be respected. There's a social and economic conflict mainly due to mismanagement and corruption in Haiti. While there are examples of corruption on both sides on Haitian side it is more aparent mainly due to the elite. For this reason there is a demographic surge of Haitains on the D.R. side. Because of this the majority of Dominicans will state they do not want to take the responsibility of Haiti social and economic problems. There was already a failed unification (1822-1844). Realistically neither side would agree to another unification. It more practical based on our history both sides sovereignty and identity should be respected. Neither side would want a pseudo agenda forced on them.
Haitian aren’t completely homogeneous and people need to know there are brown skin haitian, red skin haitian, etc. stop making everyone think we’re ll black skins.
@@nightslasher9384 the majority of Haitians 90 % are direct descendants from Africans in the Congo.
@@nightslasher9384 99% of haitian population is dark black unlike DR which you see 60% mulato 25% white and 15% black
Haitians are mixed what are you talking about? Haitians are mixed with French Polish not only African lol 😂
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No we dont we us and they them
DR 4 life