ya Ronnie wins it's pretty convincingly. Rounder muscle, even thicker traps, much better lower body. Literally wins everywhere except dryness, but his fullness more than makes up for it.
Problem with this video, is it’s comparing peak ronnie to a finished Dorian. It would be a much better comparison comparing 98 peak ronnie with 93-95 peak Dorian. 93-95 Dorian beats ronnie all day
@TheLusianPopa bodybuilding is all about posing, and ronnie's legs look twice the size of dorian's legs from the back. Dorian poses his legs like toothpicks from the back and ronnie looks way better balanced
You have to undrestand camera lensing, angle, and lighting makes a big difference. I think the verdict was influenced by the certainty that Dorian Did have wider lats in real life. In some of the clips here even his head looks significantly smaller than Ronnies, so the footage itself is worse.
@@M1tjakaramazov nah, go watch them on stage back in 1997 in Russia. The camera shows them both and Ronnie was already bigger than Yates in the back, in 1997. His back is just better, better shape, better thickness. The only area they are close is width. Ronnie was just criminally underrated for a couple years
@@paulcox2447 " nah, go watch them on stage back in 1997 in Russia" Dorian was never in Russia and Coleman was just as big in 98 as he was in 97, just leaned out...and with gyno Here's some facts for you: only 247 pounds still not as conditioned, bad gyno that hurt him, barely beat an oiled up (khm syntholed up) soft Flex Wheeler by 3 mere points. That's as close as it gets Dorian: 260+ pounds, more conditioned, no gyno. Kevin Levrone competed against both and said that Yates would beat Coleman in '98 had he competed. Now explain to me in what universe Dorian competed in Russia and in what universe do 247 pounds of muscle look bigger than 260+ pounds of muscle...at the same height? you can keep coping all you want
I dislike the concession you made in the RDB, the bicep development is literally in the name, coupled with the lower body makes this an easy W. Their backs are close (Dorian has superior calves no doubt) but everything else in this pose belongs to Ronnie. Overall an amazing video SSMan. You're new and unique approach to revisted content is so refreshing and provides a new perspective on things as a whole. Indeed a massive service to the bodybuilding community 💪
the teres difference is HUGE. Dorian has no sweep in his back double bi. He is V shape instead of an hourglass and lacks thickness compared to his other poses.@@francescoporcari8597
"the bicep development is literally in the name" It's simply a guide for the competitors to know in which manner to present their ENTIRE PHYSIQUE to the judges. Names mean nothing Examples? Most muscular? why isn't it called most chest-tricep-delt pose?
Zero pop? Wtf are you on, Dorian wins this one, far superior detail and conditioning and you could argue takes back double as well. If you saw them both in person together you would be like wtf is that if you saw dorian
Dorian would've been 15 times better than he was in 97 in 1998 if he had returned because the guy was so motivated, he would've came back probably in the best shape of his life to make up for 97 and he would've crushed Ronnie so even Kevin or Rooney and flex wheeler both said that if Dorian returns in 9899 Ronnie never wins
@@sonyx4500how? Ronnie has better glute ham, Dorian better calves. So slight advantage for Ronnie in lower body. Dorian spreads the lats wider, hits the pose better and tthe bachk is harder. Ronnie's back is a bit meatier and fuller. Slight advantage for Dorian. Back is more important than lower body so it's a slight win for Dorian or a tie. No way Ronnie wins
@@Srbenda126 Ronnie has better upper traps, smaller waist and appears even wider. Better Thighs, Glutes and hams. So no Dorian is not winning this. Calves are unimportant bodypart.
I agree. Based solely on just the video, Ronnie’s back is just as wide but appears thicker and more 3D. With both have similar hardness in the backs. Moving to the lower body, Dorian has the better hamstrings while Ronnie’s glutes are more shredded and massive. But closing the door on overall size of the lower body and legs. I would have to give a 1 point win for Ronnie for better overall completeness
Great work! But this Dorian was almost finished, almost finished tearing his body down. I can’t wait for 93 vs 98 Ronnie as it’ll be a contest for the ages.
Ronnie was better in later years than in 1998. I guess the smallest version of Ronnie is the only way to keep it close. If you go past 2000 Ronnie literally changed the game.
@@paulcox2447 is that so? why did he bring bad versions of himself until 2003? he almost lost to Levrone in 2000 and 2002, was losing to Jay Cutler in the prejudging in 2001. He looked bad until 2003
I wouldn't have given Dorian the RLS I would of given it to Ronnie, he was better balanced in the pose and has a far bigger and thicker back. I only have Dorian winning the FLS, ST and the Abs & thighs
"has a far bigger and thicker back. " yes, a man known for his width at 260+ pounds is FAR SMALLER than a 247 pound bodybuilder, that makes sense Tell me why Jay Cutler says that "there was nothing like it" when he met Dorian and saw his back width? Tell me why Jay Cutler, who competed against the widest and biggest versions of Ronnie, stood next to him in 2 man call outs, still says that Dorian was wider and had the better back lat spread? Can't wait for that reply
Dorian was harder? What? And the actual muscle groups of Coleman are bigger than Dorian, legs, arms, chest, shoulders. Coleman in the side chest smokes Dorian, size, separation, detail. Man Dorian ain’t harder than Ronnie here. Smoking crack
Dorian was more ripped! He didn't have enough posing oil on like Ronnie did, Ronnie popped more so he looks harder but he's not. Dorian was always the best conditioned Mr. O....
Just insane how you don't have at LEAST 500k subscribers. You are the only one doing this I believe - and certainly at this level. I think once someone out there with a shit ton of subscribers makes a reference to one of your videos to get your name out there, this channel will explode. Great work dude!
One of Ronnies best looks against one of Dorians poor looks. Im a huge Ronnie fan but there are many shows were Dorian competed with an incredible physique. German Grand prix 96 Dorian... incredible
Nicely done, I agree. Ronnie, and others, perform the Front Lat like a Most Muscular variation. Dorian opens and lifts up his rib-cage, while leaning back slightly thus show casing his Lats the right way. Ronnie’s way shows off other muscle groups instead of his Lats. Dorian’s Front Lat Spread shows superior execution and overall development/balance: Calves to thighs to waist to Lats to chest to shoulders to arms. Thank you.🤙
@TheLusianPopa I agree with most of what your friend says, esp about Dorian's legs in 93. He had quad tears in 94 offseason and they never looked that good again. Although I'm not sure how he could say that 03's legs were watery, especially in prejudging (red trunks) . Not as striated or separated as 98 of course but they still were very hard and dense. 00 and 03 both won with perfect scores sure but 03 was the more imposing and dominating physique by FAR. At least that was the perception at the time.
Damn, this match up was so close. Probably you´re right, but I like more Ronnie´s fuller muscles. Just imagine if Dorian would have those full rounded muscles and injury free, He wuold be unstopable beast taking 10 Sandows easily :D 💪
Maybe not 10. He'd hold off Ronnie in 98, but 1999 Ronnie is in my opinion the greatest bodybuilding physique of all time. As big and shredded as possible, without blowing out his gut.
That's just fucking crazy. 10,000 years from now when we're 8 feet tall and weighing 180 pounds, there will be museums with Ai's showcasing the physique of our ancestor gods.
Ronnie beats Dorian in glutes and hams with size and deep striations Dorian kills Ronnie in calves Overall back development , conditioning and Xmas tree -Dorian all day Arms and shoulders -Coleman kills him
I can't get past how hard DY is compared to RC, or RC's left nipple. I still give this to DY. He's so big and still has a hardness that is unmatchable. I wonder how long he'd have gone without the injuries. That left bicep really hurts him.
Not a bodybuilding afficionado but imo I agree with most of your observation. Side by side I feel Yates was better in some while Coleman was better in other poses.
Dorian vs Ronnie always a fun comparison. For 1 - their fanbases are mental 😂😂 but while both are Olympia champion mass monsters - they are very different. Pretty crazy to be honest.
It would not be fair to consider the MM- had it been a mandatory pose, no question Yates would have modified his training/posing to ensure he was more competitive in it. It’s like asking who had the better javelin pose or vacuum shot. You can’t expect a competitor to excel in something that’s irrelevant to the competition.
"Yates would have modified his training/posing to ensure he was more competitive in it." come off it bro. Yates didnt have the fullness in the right areas, the shape and muscle bellies to have a whacky MM. Sure he couldve adapted his posing but it wouldnt be enough to deter the big nasty.
This shows the superiority of Dorian. What is the point of all that size and you blow out your midsection and you come in Synthol Soft and Big vs Grainy Hard and Ripped to The Bone. This smooth size protocol ☢️💉 should not allow guys like Derek to win mr Olympia. It should seriously be removed from the sport. Look at Flex Wheeler loosing a kidney and leg because of it. Time the IFBB get rid of Synthol once and for all. Make Cbum the over all mr Olympia and leave the Synthol Freaks to compete in the "Shell" sponsored Smooth Big Muscle Competition. ☢️💉💪
@@musclebone7875 Him and Phil are close. Same number of Olympias and even in terms of on stage, it's hard to say who would win all things equal. Phil is a slightly more complete version of Kevin and Flex hybrid. His only issue is he is shorter and more narrow than both of them too. Dorians height and width advantage already gave him a big advantage over Flex and Kevin. Phil being complete wouldn't matter so much since he loses even more on size it kinda balances out. . If Phil was as wide and Flex and Kevin it'd be a clear cut case, but he isn't. People don't see it so much in pics, especially not by itself so it's being lost to time, but the 90's guys were big. They were tall and had large frames. Dorian had tougher competition. Phil occurred more recently.
Ronnie even in his under 250 lbs weight looks bigger and more muscular than Dorian 250+ lbs, Dorian's front double biceps pose is as funny as a penguin in cartoon both biceps look complete sh**. Ronnie got more details in his side chest, front double biceps and back double biceps pose
I’ve probably already commented but the back double here - it has to be a 3 point win for Ronnie. I’m honestly failing to see a body part on that pose that Dorian wins 🤷♂️ and the back lat spread? I’m not giving Ronnie a 3 point win - but he is absolutely winning that pose here (again in my opinion)
you don't get it because you're a biased conformist: Coleman 1998: 247 pounds at the same height as Dorian, still not as conditioned, bad gyno, barely beat a soft Flex Wheeler by 3 points Yates: 260+ pounds, more conditioned, no gyno, wider. front lat, side tricep, abs and thighs = Yates rather convincingly. Kevin Levrone said on RX muscle that Dorian beats Coleman in '98 had he competed. You want to challenge his word? Sure he's just one man with his opinion, and yet he competed against both, since Dorian's 1st Olympia win all the way to 2003 Ronnie.
@@Rohan-hj7hii agree. Ronnie is the goat and probably no one will ever accomplish what he did in Bodybuilding. However when it comes to bodybuilding competition and judging i think Yates is a little bit ahead of ronnie
@@krokodilvomnil5327He isn't. Ronnie is way better overall. Dorian lacked biceps, thighs and overall muscle fullness and definition to compete with Ronnie.
Dorian Yates was Mr.Olympia for six straight years for a reason. He was the greatest bodybuilder in the world at that time. But he would not have beaten Ronnie during his prime years.
Ronnie all the way in every category except for posing. Dorian poses better making his body parts appear better than Coleman's in some poses. But clearly Ronnie is better overall.
Ronnie is the best of all time, but you're using a bad version of Dorian when a 92, 93, or 95 version of Dorian would've been better. In 1996 he was pretty much done.
I agree, also Dorian would have the champions privilege in 98, making a tie shift in his favor anyway, A comparassion of Jay cuter (2009) and Derek from this year would be interesting in this model Specially because hat could take the front and side poses (+ abs and thighs) but still lose in points depending of how it goes
the thing with this video is if he showed up injury free (intact triceps, not bloated and wet from meds to manage the tear and etc and probably fuller than in 96) and i just carried up with that@@ElssaAbom
Nasser was massive, if his back (counting lower body) wasnt so lacking in detail and didnt use as much oil (his biceps were way too round and looked like they were going to explode) he could be a 2 times champion (i dont think he would be able to keep going with Ron and flex in 99) @TheLusianPopa
Idk why people speak so highly of Ronnie, that gyno id have him last place, Dorien after the torn bicep i'd have as last place, other years Ronnie had a bubble gut and no calves. Paul Dillet and Ruhl and Lou Ferigno are the guys that should of been Mr O if your going by size. Arnold over Lou is ridiculous, Lou could of picked Arnold up like he was a child and threw him through a window, dude was way bigger and built for real. Arnold was pumped up beach muscles, no glutes or legs out of proportion.
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you back late spread no way dorian is taking this shot on ronnie. ronnies legs and glutes are twice the size. dorian isnt wider then ronnie either. and ronnies back thickness looks to be alot more then dorians. plus we judge fullness as well. ronnies winning side tricep as well.the tricep alone is twice the size of dorians and ronnie gots visible fibres coming off his tricep. and roonies shoulders are way rounder in that pose
Yes but Dorian was even harder. Dorian weighed more than Ronnie here as well so given the leg size advantage Ronnie had where could Dorian be carrying significant mass? (…a good amount more than Ronnie…) in the upper body! So imagine had he come in less conditioned and more full? He’d have looked more like the 93 black and white photos in terms of size and fullness. Only 03 Ronnie has a chance of beating that physique.
Dorian front lat spread rear lat spread side triceps abs and thighs Ronnie wins the other three although with Dorians back rear double for Ronnie is very debatable
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I can't give Dorian the Rear Lat Spread over Ronnie in this comparison. Only part that is debatable in my opinion all other poses were good takes.
ya Ronnie wins it's pretty convincingly. Rounder muscle, even thicker traps, much better lower body. Literally wins everywhere except dryness, but his fullness more than makes up for it.
Problem with this video, is it’s comparing peak ronnie to a finished Dorian. It would be a much better comparison comparing 98 peak ronnie with 93-95 peak Dorian. 93-95 Dorian beats ronnie all day
@@jakeh6980lol not a chance
@TheLusianPopa bodybuilding is all about posing, and ronnie's legs look twice the size of dorian's legs from the back. Dorian poses his legs like toothpicks from the back and ronnie looks way better balanced
@@jakeh6980 Dorian at his peak couldn’t match Ronnie at his peak let’s be real
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I would give both back poses to Ronnie. I used to think otherwise, but he looks insane
You have to undrestand camera lensing, angle, and lighting makes a big difference. I think the verdict was influenced by the certainty that Dorian Did have wider lats in real life. In some of the clips here even his head looks significantly smaller than Ronnies, so the footage itself is worse.
@@M1tjakaramazov nah, go watch them on stage back in 1997 in Russia. The camera shows them both and Ronnie was already bigger than Yates in the back, in 1997. His back is just better, better shape, better thickness. The only area they are close is width. Ronnie was just criminally underrated for a couple years
@@paulcox2447 " nah, go watch them on stage back in 1997 in Russia" Dorian was never in Russia and Coleman was just as big in 98 as he was in 97, just leaned out...and with gyno
Here's some facts for you: only 247 pounds still not as conditioned, bad gyno that hurt him, barely beat an oiled up (khm syntholed up) soft Flex Wheeler by 3 mere points. That's as close as it gets
Dorian: 260+ pounds, more conditioned, no gyno.
Kevin Levrone competed against both and said that Yates would beat Coleman in '98 had he competed.
Now explain to me in what universe Dorian competed in Russia and in what universe do 247 pounds of muscle look bigger than 260+ pounds of muscle...at the same height? you can keep coping all you want
Strongly disagree. Way more grain and detail out of Dorian’s back, better lower portion of the back. Dorian wins both back poses imo
Dorians back way better his execution of poses also a lot better.
Ronnie definitely won the back lat spread.
Ronnie won this comparison.
I dislike the concession you made in the RDB, the bicep development is literally in the name, coupled with the lower body makes this an easy W. Their backs are close (Dorian has superior calves no doubt) but everything else in this pose belongs to Ronnie.
Overall an amazing video SSMan. You're new and unique approach to revisted content is so refreshing and provides a new perspective on things as a whole.
Indeed a massive service to the bodybuilding community 💪
Yes, Dorian misses the muscle separation in the back. You can clearly see Ronnie's teres maior. In addition Ronnie is overall more simmetrical.
the teres difference is HUGE. Dorian has no sweep in his back double bi. He is V shape instead of an hourglass and lacks thickness compared to his other poses.@@francescoporcari8597
Dorian has better muscle condition, But Ronnie looks insane.
"the bicep development is literally in the name" It's simply a guide for the competitors to know in which manner to present their ENTIRE PHYSIQUE to the judges. Names mean nothing
Examples? Most muscular? why isn't it called most chest-tricep-delt pose?
Not even a contest. Dorian is flat as hell, 0 pop, Ronnie is just a shredded monster with incedible fullness, the poses do not even matter.
Zero pop? Wtf are you on, Dorian wins this one, far superior detail and conditioning and you could argue takes back double as well. If you saw them both in person together you would be like wtf is that if you saw dorian
Dorian would've been 15 times better than he was in 97 in 1998 if he had returned because the guy was so motivated, he would've came back probably in the best shape of his life to make up for 97 and he would've crushed Ronnie so even Kevin or Rooney and flex wheeler both said that if Dorian returns in 9899 Ronnie never wins
@@BruceWayne-ri4wrThat's just delusional, Dorian was a mess in '97, totally wrecked and bloated. He should never have won versus Nasser.
@@FarbenSeher Nasser was full of oil. Everyone knew that, including the judges. Even with Dorian at his worst, he beats any cheat.
BLS is a pose of Coleman it's just my opinion.
Close pose indeed...
@@SupersetmanClearly Dorian not winning it. Just gave it to him that he don't loose.
@@sonyx4500how? Ronnie has better glute ham, Dorian better calves. So slight advantage for Ronnie in lower body. Dorian spreads the lats wider, hits the pose better and tthe bachk is harder. Ronnie's back is a bit meatier and fuller. Slight advantage for Dorian. Back is more important than lower body so it's a slight win for Dorian or a tie. No way Ronnie wins
@@Srbenda126 Ronnie has better upper traps, smaller waist and appears even wider. Better Thighs, Glutes and hams. So no Dorian is not winning this. Calves are unimportant bodypart.
I agree. Based solely on just the video, Ronnie’s back is just as wide but appears thicker and more 3D. With both have similar hardness in the backs. Moving to the lower body, Dorian has the better hamstrings while Ronnie’s glutes are more shredded and massive. But closing the door on overall size of the lower body and legs. I would have to give a 1 point win for Ronnie for better overall completeness
No way Dorian would have beat Ronnie in 1998 or 2003
93 dorian would have gave him a run for his money
@ i agree
93 would have been to small promise you that he looked amazing but no way
BLS goes to Ronnie in my opinion, Great Video tho 💪
Great video editing. Unfortunately I see Dorian’s footage to be lower resolution making his detail suffer. To bad, out of your control. Great effort!
Great work! But this Dorian was almost finished, almost finished tearing his body down. I can’t wait for 93 vs 98 Ronnie as it’ll be a contest for the ages.
Ronnie was better in later years than in 1998. I guess the smallest version of Ronnie is the only way to keep it close. If you go past 2000 Ronnie literally changed the game.
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@@paulcox2447 is that so? why did he bring bad versions of himself until 2003? he almost lost to Levrone in 2000 and 2002, was losing to Jay Cutler in the prejudging in 2001. He looked bad until 2003
Dorian at his best was unbeatable. Nobody was more conditioned with such mass.
96 was a bad year for Dorian. But that footage is great for 96
That's why I chose it, but I dont think 96 was all that bad
@@SupersetmanNo he wasn't terrible in 96 but 95 was much fuller look imo
I wouldn't have given Dorian the RLS I would of given it to Ronnie, he was better balanced in the pose and has a far bigger and thicker back. I only have Dorian winning the FLS, ST and the Abs & thighs
agreed
"has a far bigger and thicker back. "
yes, a man known for his width at 260+ pounds is FAR SMALLER than a 247 pound bodybuilder, that makes sense
Tell me why Jay Cutler says that "there was nothing like it" when he met Dorian and saw his back width? Tell me why Jay Cutler, who competed against the widest and biggest versions of Ronnie, stood next to him in 2 man call outs, still says that Dorian was wider and had the better back lat spread?
Can't wait for that reply
I cant see Ronnie getting a 3 point victory in the front double. His gyno was appalling in 98
I agree but the reasoning here was that the judges ignored it, along with Dorian's torn bicep, so it was ignored here too.
He clearly fucking said he was going to ignore the gyno and Dorians missing bicep. Hello?
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Ahh yes, better literally everywhere, except his nipple
@@woahblackbettybamalam Ronnie’s gyno wasn’t as bad as Dorian’s left arm
People forget that Ronnie never made the call out when Dorian was winning multiple Mr Olympia titles
Because Ronnie was still developing. It wasn't until 1998 he started to dominate.
Imo BLS goes to Ronnie 2 points. Can’t ignore the size and astronomical difference in the legs.
Ronnie only loses FLS to Dorian in the lat area, everything else Ronnie smokes him, this should only be 1 point for Dorian
Nice analysis! I agree with everything, though I would give 3 points to Ronnie in side chest and 2 points to Dorian in abs and thighs
Dorian was harder? What? And the actual muscle groups of Coleman are bigger than Dorian, legs, arms, chest, shoulders. Coleman in the side chest smokes Dorian, size, separation, detail. Man Dorian ain’t harder than Ronnie here. Smoking crack
I kinda agree, but I think the footage hurt dorian
Dorian's grainy muscularity was pretty impressive; his skin was like tissue paper 😲
Dorian was more ripped! He didn't have enough posing oil on like Ronnie did, Ronnie popped more so he looks harder but he's not. Dorian was always the best conditioned Mr. O....
@@mk5rob42He was harder. But Ronnie was fuller and more defined.
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I give Dorian the back double as well but ultimately Dorian wins. That gyno Ronnie has is very bad also.
One of Ronnies best looks against one of Dorians poor looks. Im a huge Ronnie fan but there are many shows were Dorian competed with an incredible physique. German Grand prix 96 Dorian... incredible
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Absolutely fantastic job on this comparison and judging. Loved it.
Nicely done, I agree. Ronnie, and others, perform the Front Lat like a Most Muscular variation. Dorian opens and lifts up his rib-cage, while leaning back slightly thus show casing his Lats the right way. Ronnie’s way shows off other muscle groups instead of his Lats. Dorian’s Front Lat Spread shows superior execution and overall development/balance: Calves to thighs to waist to Lats to chest to shoulders to arms. Thank you.🤙
Gotta hand it to you SSM, nobody else on the bb community on utube makes these kinds of videos.
@TheLusianPopa I agree with most of what your friend says, esp about Dorian's legs in 93. He had quad tears in 94 offseason and they never looked that good again. Although I'm not sure how he could say that 03's legs were watery, especially in prejudging (red trunks) . Not as striated or separated as 98 of course but they still were very hard and dense. 00 and 03 both won with perfect scores sure but 03 was the more imposing and dominating physique by FAR. At least that was the perception at the time.
Damn, this match up was so close. Probably you´re right, but I like more Ronnie´s fuller muscles. Just imagine if Dorian would have those full rounded muscles and injury free, He wuold be unstopable beast taking 10 Sandows easily :D 💪
Truly a monster
Maybe not 10. He'd hold off Ronnie in 98, but 1999 Ronnie is in my opinion the greatest bodybuilding physique of all time. As big and shredded as possible, without blowing out his gut.
And imagine if Ron has a Dorian Calves and abs
Works better the other way, imagine if Ronnie had Dorians grainy look. Ronnie already has better muscles, shape and fullness.
Dorian always came in too dry his offseason physiques were insane.
Oddly I agree with absolutely everything you’ve said. Great video, great channel keep it up 👍
Awesome! Thank you!
That's just fucking crazy. 10,000 years from now when we're 8 feet tall and weighing 180 pounds, there will be museums with Ai's showcasing the physique of our ancestor gods.
Back.....Dorian v’s Ronnie v’s Derek 🔥
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Can you do 93 Dorian? I wish there were more poses like the front single biceps and the three quarter turn…
Its crazy to say dorian has a slightly better back in the BLS than ronnie .... wtf dude
Ronnie definitely wins this
Wins the best gyno, that’s about the only thing he’s winning
@@robk5745 8x mr olympia...keep crying
@@billyboy2455 who’s crying, the better bodybuilder pose for pose here is Dorian, keep telling yourself lies
@@robk5745 hahaha keep crying 😢 😭 🤣
@@billyboy2455 hahahahha 🥲🥲🥲🥲 “Ronnie definitely wins this” 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
Bro Dorian doesn’t beat Ronnie from the back no way 😂
Wonderful made. Thx.
Next please a 1993 Arnold Classic Flex Wheeler vs. 2023 Andrew Jacked Arnold Classic. Or a 2024 one soon 😉
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Glad you think so!
Ronnie easliy won back double, Ronnie wins easily.
Ronnie beats Dorian in glutes and hams with size and deep striations
Dorian kills Ronnie in calves
Overall back development , conditioning and Xmas tree -Dorian all day
Arms and shoulders -Coleman kills him
Dorian anyday
I didn't think video would add that much but it really brings conditioning differences out. Amazing, great work.
great vid, keep doing this - Dorian was a decade before - it keeps evolving
It think the rear lat spread is a draw. And if you consider the lower body, it might be a win for Ronnie. The glutes add so much to the overall shape
Really cant go by this video unlrs they are standing literally next to each other..well never know..its probably not accurate
I can't get past how hard DY is compared to RC, or RC's left nipple. I still give this to DY. He's so big and still has a hardness that is unmatchable. I wonder how long he'd have gone without the injuries. That left bicep really hurts him.
Not a bodybuilding afficionado but imo I agree with most of your observation. Side by side I feel Yates was better in some while Coleman was better in other poses.
That was an excellent analysis! I think you are completely accurate in this assessment.
Dorian vs Ronnie always a fun comparison. For 1 - their fanbases are mental 😂😂 but while both are Olympia champion mass monsters - they are very different. Pretty crazy to be honest.
Ronnie details pop like crazy here
It would not be fair to consider the MM- had it been a mandatory pose, no question Yates would have modified his training/posing to ensure he was more competitive in it. It’s like asking who had the better javelin pose or vacuum shot. You can’t expect a competitor to excel in something that’s irrelevant to the competition.
True, but neither did Ronnie need to excel in the mm, but he actually did
"Yates would have modified his training/posing to ensure he was more competitive in it." come off it bro. Yates didnt have the fullness in the right areas, the shape and muscle bellies to have a whacky MM. Sure he couldve adapted his posing but it wouldnt be enough to deter the big nasty.
Dorian fans are beyond delusional@@user-kg1od9es5d
Absolutely amazing video ! Wow
Dorian yates ❤
Ronnie is good but not enough to defeat the shadow
Very good video. Only thing I disagree with was the ab and thigh. It’s not even close, Dorian was running away with that pose.
Ronnie had seven years to beat Dorian between 1992 and 1997. He is also two years younger than Yates.
Doesn't matter. He realized his Potential in 1998. Previous years are no Comparison. He got from 9th place to 1st in one year
The 1999 Ronnie- gyno looks awful. For that reason, Dorian wins.
Dorian's torn bicep and tricep (worst arms for an Olympia champion ever)! Symmetry destroyed. Ronnie annihilate Dorian
At least they look different, which is important. Nowadays everyone looks the same. Previously they used their own weapons.
This shows the superiority of Dorian. What is the point of all that size and you blow out your midsection and you come in Synthol Soft and Big vs Grainy Hard and Ripped to The Bone. This smooth size protocol ☢️💉 should not allow guys like Derek to win mr Olympia. It should seriously be removed from the sport. Look at Flex Wheeler loosing a kidney and leg because of it. Time the IFBB get rid of Synthol once and for all. Make Cbum the over all mr Olympia and leave the Synthol Freaks to compete in the "Shell" sponsored Smooth Big Muscle Competition. ☢️💉💪
too funny
Dorian is the GOAT 🐐
Dorian is 3rd goat 🐐
@@musclebone7875 Him and Phil are close. Same number of Olympias and even in terms of on stage, it's hard to say who would win all things equal. Phil is a slightly more complete version of Kevin and Flex hybrid. His only issue is he is shorter and more narrow than both of them too.
Dorians height and width advantage already gave him a big advantage over Flex and Kevin. Phil being complete wouldn't matter so much since he loses even more on size it kinda balances out.
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If Phil was as wide and Flex and Kevin it'd be a clear cut case, but he isn't.
People don't see it so much in pics, especially not by itself so it's being lost to time, but the 90's guys were big. They were tall and had large frames. Dorian had tougher competition. Phil occurred more recently.
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Ronnie even in his under 250 lbs weight looks bigger and more muscular than Dorian 250+ lbs, Dorian's front double biceps pose is as funny as a penguin in cartoon both biceps look complete sh**. Ronnie got more details in his side chest, front double biceps and back double biceps pose
Great analysis
Ronnie is the Goat of bodybuilding
Best Dorian vs one of the worst Olympia for Ronnie and king Ron still wins!!
Best Dorian ?
Can we see a 94 Dorian versus a 2009 Jay?
Dorian winning back last spread to Ronnie seriously are you joking man
I’ve probably already commented but the back double here - it has to be a 3 point win for Ronnie. I’m honestly failing to see a body part on that pose that Dorian wins 🤷♂️ and the back lat spread? I’m not giving Ronnie a 3 point win - but he is absolutely winning that pose here (again in my opinion)
If Dorien never tore his Bicep and just maintained his 93 look he would of won 10 Mr Olympia
Dorian is over rated and clearly you have a soft spot for him.
Ronnie crushed Dorian in this comparison. I don’t get it.
Finally someone. there is no way Ronnie lost fls wtf
Funny, people used to say I'm a Dorian hater :D
you don't get it because you're a biased conformist:
Coleman 1998: 247 pounds at the same height as Dorian, still not as conditioned, bad gyno, barely beat a soft Flex Wheeler by 3 points
Yates: 260+ pounds, more conditioned, no gyno, wider.
front lat, side tricep, abs and thighs = Yates rather convincingly.
Kevin Levrone said on RX muscle that Dorian beats Coleman in '98 had he competed. You want to challenge his word? Sure he's just one man with his opinion, and yet he competed against both, since Dorian's 1st Olympia win all the way to 2003 Ronnie.
Ronnie definitely won the back lat spread.
Ronnie won this comparison without a doubt.
Yates will always win against ronnie
In what way??? Bro come on. Ronnie is the 🐐 for a reason
@@Rohan-hj7hii agree. Ronnie is the goat and probably no one will ever accomplish what he did in Bodybuilding. However when it comes to bodybuilding competition and judging i think Yates is a little bit ahead of ronnie
@@krokodilvomnil5327He isn't. Ronnie is way better overall. Dorian lacked biceps, thighs and overall muscle fullness and definition to compete with Ronnie.
No
It's time to change your eye-glass...😉
Dorian Yates was Mr.Olympia for six straight years for a reason. He was the greatest bodybuilder in the world at that time. But he would not have beaten Ronnie during his prime years.
Ronnie all the way in every category except for posing. Dorian poses better making his body parts appear better than Coleman's in some poses. But clearly Ronnie is better overall.
And the winner is... Nasser el sombaty. Very underrated bodybuilder
Great work man and both athletes I admire though King is my favourite but your analysis is good...if Ronnie was better in posing and execution
Ronnie is the best of all time, but you're using a bad version of Dorian when a 92, 93, or 95 version of Dorian would've been better. In 1996 he was pretty much done.
I agree, also Dorian would have the champions privilege in 98, making a tie shift in his favor anyway,
A comparassion of Jay cuter (2009) and Derek from this year would be interesting in this model
Specially because hat could take the front and side poses (+ abs and thighs) but still lose in points depending of how it goes
No he has a hard time to beat nasser in 97
the thing with this video is if he showed up injury free (intact triceps, not bloated and wet from meds to manage the tear and etc and probably fuller than in 96) and i just carried up with that@@ElssaAbom
Nasser was massive, if his back (counting lower body) wasnt so lacking in detail and didnt use as much oil (his biceps were way too round and looked like they were going to explode) he could be a 2 times champion (i dont think he would be able to keep going with Ron and flex in 99) @TheLusianPopa
@@luizansounds maybe yes
Голова Ронни в 2 раза больше чем у Дориана. Масштаб сделан в пользу Ронни
Ronnie wins back last spread in my opinion
And Dorian in 1997 ?
As a dorianite i would imply dorain made kevin look small in comparison to ronnie. By this example you could know how good dorian was.
Dorian beats ronnie any time he's denser ...
I must be blind because I don't see what you guys see in Dorian
While this is an admirable effort, these types of comparisons are meaningless because they were under different lighting on stage.
Idk why people speak so highly of Ronnie, that gyno id have him last place, Dorien after the torn bicep i'd have as last place, other years Ronnie had a bubble gut and no calves. Paul Dillet and Ruhl and Lou Ferigno are the guys that should of been Mr O if your going by size. Arnold over Lou is ridiculous, Lou could of picked Arnold up like he was a child and threw him through a window, dude was way bigger and built for real. Arnold was pumped up beach muscles, no glutes or legs out of proportion.
دوريان ياتيس في كل البطولات التي شارك فيها وكان البايسبس في ذراعه الأيسر ضعيفا وغير متناسب مع بايسبس الذراع اليمنى مما يؤثر سلبا على التناسق العام نتيجة الإصابة...كان يجب عدم مشاركته والوقوع في المحظور وإعطائه الفوز دون وجه حق ...كان من المفروض أن يخسر ...
Amazing video. But Ronnie wins the BLS with 1 point and Dorian wins the FLS with 1 point....
This comparison is about who is in a better zpeeled not muscle size
you back late spread no way dorian is taking this shot on ronnie. ronnies legs and glutes are twice the size. dorian isnt wider then ronnie either. and ronnies back thickness looks to be alot more then dorians. plus we judge fullness as well. ronnies winning side tricep as well.the tricep alone is twice the size of dorians and ronnie gots visible fibres coming off his tricep. and roonies shoulders are way rounder in that pose
Ronnie was full. Dorian was hard. No watery look. If Dorian wanted to come in full it would have been a different story
@@samueldwarika1891Ronnie was hard and full. Not Dorian level conditioning but close.
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Yes but Dorian was even harder. Dorian weighed more than Ronnie here as well so given the leg size advantage Ronnie had where could Dorian be carrying significant mass? (…a good amount more than Ronnie…) in the upper body! So imagine had he come in less conditioned and more full? He’d have looked more like the 93 black and white photos in terms of size and fullness. Only 03 Ronnie has a chance of beating that physique.
@@nattygains9077 2001 Arnold Classic Ronnie had almost Yates like Conditioning. But with much better muscle shape and fullness.
Another suggestion dorian, ronnie jay, phil all had weak poses not lee haney.❤
Why you using Dorian '96? He was overdieted there...
Dorian's smile is the loss, nothing more
I'd have given ronnie the win just with the most musuclar
Front double and side chest are also laughably easy wins for big ron.
93-95 Dorian was unbeatable
Biceps are totally different. Comparison stops here.
What a satisfying result.dorian is superior
How can you not give back lat spread to ronnie
Dorian is so unsymmetrical
Show Dorian 93 or 95
Comunque alcune pose valgono molto di più di altre, un abs e triceps valgono molto meno di un front o un back …. Non sarai un fanboy di Dorian?
Dorian front lat spread rear lat spread side triceps abs and thighs
Ronnie wins the other three although with Dorians back rear double for Ronnie is very debatable