Liebgott Kills Concentration Camp Commandant - Band of Brothers
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- An excerpt from the HBO miniseries 'Band of Brothers' (Episode 10 - "Points").
T-5 Joseph Liebgott, a Jewish-American Paratrooper (actually a 'Half-Jewish', practicing Catholic on further research), confronts a Kaufering Concentration Camp (Landsberg) Commandant in his home, on orders from Lt. Speirs in a bid for revenge. - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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I watched a documentary about liberating the camps. An allied officer was being interviewed who was there. Officer found a German camp guard and ordered him to give water to the civilian prisoners in the camp. Guard arrogantly said no. Officer immediately shot him and turned to the next German guard and repeated his order. That guard brought water. The officer expressed no regrets.
Can you drop the name of the documentary? I'd love to watch it too
whats the vid?
Good on him. That sounds like the badass kind of thing Ron Speirs would do.
That’s one bad ass officer
That reminds me of the scene in Shutter Island where the Americans gun down all of the guards they find. Completely justified.
I guess this is supposed to be Franz Ziereis, a commandant of the Mauthausen concentration camp. He was shot to death nearby his cabin in Spital am Pyhrn, Austria, where he was hiding. He was recognized by one of former inmates.
Nice find.
Ah thank you! In the show they liberated Kaufering IV and in the german wikipedia i did read that the commandant was executed in 1945. I wasnt sure if he was the commandant from Kaufering IV or a civilian or somebody else
Well he earned the round
My grandfather was a prisoner in Ebensee which was an annex of Mathausen, in the testimony he and the ones he called his comrades wrote years after, it is described how after most of guards left, prisoners that could still function started arming themselves( especially the Spanish ones) and hunted down and killed whoever was left in charge, they killed around 40 people I think. There is a description of the execution of a kapo by himself and other prisoners with boots and rocks.
“At the very end we killed”.
He died 23 years later of cancer at the age of 49, people said later that he never truly made it out of that camp.
Can you give a link if there are an article about about this incident. (no Wikipedia btw)
I met a WWII US Army vet who was one of the 1st soldiers to enter one of these camps, not the 1st one found but a 1st for them. He'd shot the lock off the gate, entered the camp and his life changed forever. Said they'd gotten so pissed off they took the next 3 towns without orders and really stacked the bodies. Told me "We got pulled off the line not long after as command picked up on the fact that suddenly they weren't getting any prisoners and they had realized why." A few yrs later I was talking with my neighbor and he related a story to me about how his Aunt had been in a concentration camp as a kid and how she loved the Americans as they'd saved her life. She soon came to visit and I got to meet her as well. When she told me the story she mentioned the camp, the American unit and seeing the first G.I. blast the gates open. I thought theres no way. It was the same veteran I had met. Since they have both met and stayed in touch until their passing. Felt really cool to be a small part of that. My neighbors give me way to much credit for getting those to together, really treat me glowingly well. I do appreciate it but it's not me who suffered and seeing the joy on both they're faces was so rewarding.
@Kent Quieta It was a very touching moment probably the best I've ever had in my life next to my kids being born.
My grandfather earned 2 bronze stars and a purple heart in ww2 ... he never once mentioned anything about even being in the army. I would have liked to know what he did over there,,, I think, But I don't think he wanted anyone to know.
Great story. Chokes one up a bit. Good for you
That's beautiful.
Those US soldiers should be tortured and killed.
*Translation:*
*German dude:* "Who are you? What are you doing here?"
*Liebgott:* "What?"
*German dude:* "I have nothing!"
*Liebgott:* "Shut up!"
*German dude:* "What are you doing here?!"
*Liebgott:* "Calm down!"
*Liebgott:* "You are the commander."
*German dude:* "Go away!"
*Liebgott:* "You are the commander."
*German dude:* "What commander?"
*Liebgott:* "From the work camp."
*German dude:* "I don't know any work camp!"
*German dude:* "You have the wrong person!"
*German dude:* "No, NO! "
*German dude:* "You have made a mistake! You can't come in my house... You CAN'T. COME. INTO. MY. HOUSE!"
Webster walks out, the shouting becomes muffled, indistinct.
Liebgott pulls out pistol
*German dude:* "Don't shoot!"
The German dude never "confesses". That's the point of this story. Even if it's based on a story where a real commander got shot, this is supposed to upset you because in the end, you don't know if he really was a camp commander or if Sisk and Liebgott just randomly killed a random old German man to get their revenge kicks off. The whole scene is constructed so that you will sympathize with Webster, and yet all the comments are like "yay, justice!😎" which is kinda weird to me.
Yeah, the comments strike me as yet another reminder that human beings can be scary AF. It's clear in this scene they don't know for sure they even have the right guy. Crystal clear.
@@sleepingdogpro It's one of the reasons I love BoB, the series has so many scenes like this where I seriously had to pause and walk away because it was so upsetting. The way Webster walks out and tries to "play it cool" but barely manages to keep his face, and omg the muffled sounds of screaming and scuffling from inside, made me think of a kid hearing his dad beat up his siblings and mom and trying to maintain normalcy.
I’ve read from others that in real life they were sent with orders to kill him and that it was true that he was a commander so it’s not sick nuts it’s people that like knowing justice was dealt
@@chachwa9970 But this is not a documentary, which is evident from THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT EVEN THE SAME PEOPLE IN THIS SCENE AS IN THE BOOK/REAL LIFE
@@Stalicone "otherwise he wouldn’t own that property and be alive." why not? Only Nazis owned property in the Bavarian Alps?
I knew a Benedictine monk in the 1980s (UK). I asked him why he became a monk? He replied that in the 2nd WW he was an officer in the British Army and his unit liberated a concentration camp at Celle (N.Germany). He was so shocked at what he saw that he had the guards lined up and walked along the line. At each guard he asked an inmate of the camp if this guard was good or bad? If the inmate said ‘bad’ he shot him. At the end of this he looked at his trousers and saw that they were splattered with blood and brains. This first irritated him then he thought that there must be a better way to live life - so when war ended he became a monk. He must have been in his early 20s in 1945.
Interesting
someone is lying to you
@@DaveDexterMusic perhaps, but I do not think so. I knew him quite well. He had landed at Normandy and had gone from there to North Germany. I saw an old photo he had from those days in his battle dress. I cannot remember his rank but I know he did have a Military Cross. I think a lot of people, after conflict, want to live a totally different life in peace.
Perhaps he was reacting to the Celle Massacre which happened in the final days of the 2WW when the SS, and others, killed several thousand concentration camp inmates just before the British Army arrived. He never said how many he killed. The remark was made in the context of a ‘life changing experience’. I could not imagine how i would feel, as a young man, walking into that carnage. Celle is near Bergen-Belsen, which had also just been discovered, so I guess emotions were running high.
@@DaveDexterMusicBecause an event is so far out of your realm of experience doesn’t mean that a lie has been told. That real life story is actually quite mild compared to all the horrendous events that occurred on small and large scales in WW2.
My Great Uncle was in a unit that liberated Dacha, and he said he truly saw hell that day.
My great grandfather liberated some of those camps. He even had a few pictures that he took, that he refused to show us until we were old enough to drink.
I don’t blame him. That shit was horrifying and I’ve only seen the stuff they put in documentary’s
Yet the Soviets killed five times more than the Germans yet nobody says anything about that
i wager that anyone is rendered old enough to drink after seeing those photos
@@uslandsknecht4522 People say something about that literally all the time what are you talking about? It's a well known fact Stalin killed more than Hitler. Oh and yeah, did you miss the Cold War? War on communism went on literally since the end of WW2 until the fall of Soviet.
@@cedricletherisien4363 really?? Because all I ever I hear is muh Germans bad
they didn't explain the part with executing a camp commandant clearer in the show. Speirs gave the order after getting information from former slaves of the camp (irl Easy didn't liberate a concentration camp but a labor camp with POWs and DPs). he also got some evidence that the man was a camp commandant indeed in the town. however, Speirs, of course, didn't have the authority to give an execution order without a tribunal.
he sent Liebgott (who's a Jew in the show and had Jewish blood irl, his mother was a Jewish Austrian, but he didn't practice Judaism. everyone still thought he's a Jew in E company and he never corrected them. as you can imagine, he had all the more reasons to hate Nazi and he really did), Sisk, Sg. Lt. Lynch (he was not in the show), and, instead of Webster, there was Moone (he was the one who refused to shoot the man). so it's not like they did it without an order, it's just that the order was questionable and Liebgott was more than happy to obey.
I do remember that Sisk had severe PTSD after the war and one of the things he regretted the most was shooting that man. Liebgott is an interesting case too. he never talked about the war afterward (even his children and grandchildren didn't know that he was a part of the legendary Easy company until the book BoB was out) and he never attended any reunions with his fellow comrades even though he had quite a few close friends there. i can only assume he wanted to leave all of that behind and reunions would have triggered the unwanted memories.
The moment the Germans mass murdered the people inside the camps they turned from concentration camps to extermination camps. It doesn't matter what they was before, they were already extermination camps when Allied troops arrived.
I found liebgott to be the most interesting character and this makes it even more interesting
I'm not sure what to say about this, considering that technically every member of the Axis was complicit in the imprisonment, rape, torture, exploitation and murder of millions of people...all of whom...and it is critical that you understand this...all of whom were legally marked for death by their own government.
Forget about the combatant countries that were invaded and whose citizens suffered similar fates.
Let's just talk about the Axis countries themselves.
The arrest, exploitation and killing of Jews and other "untermenschen"? That was perfectly legal under German law.
The execution of Germans guilty of violating let us say Western law? That was a matter of convenience as much as of retribution.
The absolution of Westerners guilty of violating Western law when it came to the execution of such Germans, of such fascists in general?
That was likewise a matter of convenience. Eisenhower himself was guilty of this, as he overlooked the fact that Patton was a fascist, a well-known fascist, in allowing him to retain his post in North Africa and the ETO. He was just one of our fascists. Pattons' fascism made the war a matter of him beating Rommel and Montgomery, of the US beating the Nazis, not a matter of US political policy defeating British or Nazi political policy, certainly not Soviet political policy. The war in the ETO made morals and ethics secondary to "us beating them"
What happened after the war was over made morals and ethics secondary to "us being a beacon of freedom in the face of Communism".
You don't have to look past the events of Jan 6 2020 to understand that things haven't really changed in that regard.
But a practical man does not look too hard at methods that lead to the results desired by practical men.
@@touristguy87 why would you randomly bring up Jan 6? It wasn’t even a big deal.
@@stza16 .a) it wasn't brought-up randomly.
b) if you really think so, then just go ahead and dismiss it.
My dad signed up to fight the Germans and wound up in Leyte at the near end. He was a Sgt. and he and his squad came upon a Japanese concentration camp with an American soldier crucified in the front. They broke in and dad killed 5 Japanese with one gun and one knife. He said when he got home he was a little crazy from it for a couple if years. He was a good man and from a different time maybe but I always hate the wars not the warriors. Sgt. Donald Bresnahan. My dad.
Your Dad has my respect for his service regardless.
How old are you?
Your dad participated in the liberation of the Philippines and as a Filipino I thank him for that.
threatening to kill with a pistol
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TH-cam: sounds like music to my ears
executing nazis?
hell yea turn that shit up
Heavy metal.
The scene of the dead German guy on the small hill with the Alps in the background is such a powerful shot.
Well, a 1911 is a powerfull gun!
@@jed-henrywitkowski6470 I don’t think an M1 is a 1911.
The hills are alive, fertilized by Nazis.
I like that cereal Alpen
Ross McCall’s American accent in this show is SPOT on. Never be able to tell he’s actually Scottish irl.
I just listened to his episode of the Band of Brothers 20th anniversary podcast, I was shocked by the accent!
i didnt know until i read this
@@JTGwozdz I mean he doesn't really have a Scottish accent either, sound more English.
His hobby is knife whittling.
so so good
My father liberated one of those camps but wouldn’t ever talk about the details. All he would ever say was “ What they did to those poor people” with the saddest face he had.
My great grandpa was part of a division that had to clear out one of the camps. His squads job was to guard the german prisoners. The camp guards, he said, he felt sorry for since they couldn't be much older than 18 and were clearly terrified. The one he couldn't stand was the SS officer in charge, because every time a fresh load of bodies were loaded up onto a truck he grinned like a sadist. The hardest part of the whole thing, my great grandpa apparently said, was that they were given explicit orders not to hurt the prisoners. Apparently him and his squadies spent a good portion of time wondering if they could smash the officers face in and make it look like an accident.
Sad that the Nazi did not slip and fall.
Shit I would have gotten at least two others with me got him in a room by himself with a steak knife and be like open he tried to attack us and escape
He should have used the old dirty dozen system,
I don't know sir he must have slipped on a bar of soap
My Grandfathers 355th infantry Regiment 89th division liberated Ohrdruff in April 45. The pictures he brought home freaked me out as a kid in the 80s.
“Shot, while trying to escape.”
My mom was a baby during the war and lost half her family mostly because of them smuggling food into a camp. We went to visit her parents in Germany when I was 10, and went to an open air market. I asked my dad for some strawberries and he said no because they were to expensive. The lady selling the strawberries then tapped me on the shoulder and made a paper cone and filled it with strawberries,twice at least what she would normally sell. Then, she would not let my dad pay. Her husband was in a camp that was liberated by Americans, and she wanted to pay America back for saving her husband.
And then everyone clapped....
@@calebking3037 I don't think anyone noticed
@@calebking3037 Very funny 😄
@@calebking3037 really man?
2:11 Look at subtle twitches in the hands and eyes of this guy. Such a great acting.
😂 there was nothing subtle about it, the guy was twitching like crazy, bad acting
@@ohreallycat yea annoying shitty actor
He was in fight club lmfao
Years ago i became friends with an older guy who was a first sergeant who was in Southern Germany. I asked about what he had done in the war. My granddad was drafted in 43 and shipped to Panama where he spent the war. Eventually he told me he was one of the first US troops to stumble upon a concentration camp and reported it back to the officers following. he was a big guy. He said what he saw made him want to kill every German officer he found. I was just a kid and really didnt know what to ask him. I wish i had. These stories are lost forever.
He found a German camp in panama?
In the 1980's I worked for a couple supervisors who had tattooed numbers on their forearms.
I will never show any respect to a holocaust denier.
The only camps that tattooed prisoners were the three main camps of Auschwitz, along with their subcamps.
Just to clarify, you mean that they were Holocaust survivors or that they were deniers? Your comment could be read either way, sorry if it's a dumb question but I just want to clarify it.
@@TheIvanNewb They were young, in their teens when they were tattooed by the Nazis.
@@phild8095 Aye that's what I thought, thanks for clarifying c:
And yeah fuck the Nazis.
@@TheIvanNewbyeah how dare they stop the sexual exploitation of children bunch of assholes
Skinny Sisk killed the Commandant. Libegott gets the assist.
It may not be as flashy as a goal but I love a player who sets things up with an assist!
Just like the beginning of end game. Genocide, retires to a tiny cabin with beautiful scenery. Justice kicks in his door and kills him.
I read more about this incident. Wermacht Soldiers ratted out this Concentration Camp Guard.
@@hugejackedman7423 bullshit there is not difference in between revenge and justice other yhan someone else carries out the sentence other than you. This guy had it coming snd they delivered. It wasnt revenge. It was a reckoning
@@hugejackedman7423 I would tend to agree with you, but those who had a hand in the genocide of Jews and countless others, get whatever they get. Nothing done to those bastards could ever bring justice. Justice isn’t something that could be achieved in these unique situations.
@@Carolinacaveman Mob mentality can turn on anyone, including the innocent. There’s a reason we have the presumption of innocence even if the person is guilty as hell. Every person gets the right to due process. Anything less is a gateway to tyranny.
Now Liebgot is a murderer and deserves to be executed and revenged by the family of the victim he murdered
The best part of watching historical videos on youtube is the comments... I have read hundreds of comments explaining what happened to them and their POV. or their grandfathers, or dad.... Its truly incredible..
agreed.
When they find these 100 year old concentration camp
Guards, and people think all should be forgiven since they’re old. No. They did something that can’t be overlooked or swept under the rug.
@@LordZontar zero argument here
then give them a trail and execute them following the law. not going out shotting them because you think your above the law. that is no justice but only a nicely put warcrime.
@@marxel4444 I’m absolutely for a rule of law we all live by, that said, There are acts that justify any end. It was barbaric, it was murder, it was illegal, and yet, not a tear was shed for a dead Nazi.
@@The_Mimewar okay. sounds totaly reasonable. when will be executing us soldiers and commanders for their warcrimes in Afghanistan,Iraq,Vietnam? Can we just fly in people of the same ethnicity and then shoot the bastard in the street in broad daylight?
@@The_Mimewar And how many tears you think would be shed by the children and the grand children of those "100 year old guards". Why do they deserve to suffer when you take their Grandpa outside and execute him?
There comes the point where you have to acknowledge that you have missed your window of opportunity for "justice", or you will slide down towards revenge. Which is just as bad if not worse as what those people did way back when.
When I got married 43 years ago, my uncle who landed on Normandy with the big Red One and had in his unite Sam Fuller (film director, screenwriter, novelist, journalist) comes over to my now wife and I and said after speaking to my now mother in law that his unite liberated my wife's mothers camp in Germany. That was a chilling moment
Fuller had a subtle tribute to the 1st in the movie "Pickup on South Street." Watch and you will see it. A great film with Richard Widmark.
Had a stroke reading this. Please use grammar
I had a stroke reading this. Please use grammar
@@lonsomonso2999 I'm sorry, but as an educated native English-speaker, his grammar was about PERFECT. You may call it a runon sentence, but that's only because you have the attention span of a gnat.
In 1961 Daniel Webster went shark fishing in a 12 foot sailboat and he never used a life preserver, he was never seen again. His small boat was found the next day five miles from shore with a oar and tiller missing.
When he lit his cigarette, I suddenly smelled the zippo and lucky strikes my grandfather always had in the 1970’s.
Darn...your zippo comment made me smell that lighter smell too!
I appreciate this series for showing the nuances of American forces
So you admit you're a Nuanci sympathizer?
@@jdlamb4212 Nazi sympathizer or not, The Allies committed their own fair share of atrocities during the war throughout Europe. It’s often overlooked.
@@jdlamb4212 How is admitting the truth in any way commensurate with being a Nazi sympathizer?
And why are you such a weak ass that you can't even spell the word correctly?
@@robertwilson8184 it was a joke ffs. How am I the first one to realise this?
Was a pretty good one too.
Puns are the lowest form of jokes and puns about nazis are only made by those who are lower than whale 💩
Liebgott and Webster were two of my favourite characters in the series. Totally different but both also totally relatable. I cannot imagine how it must have felt for Liebgott to see what had been done to his people first hand like that. And if you remember the Carentan episode where Tipper got blasted half to death by the arty shell, you could see that however vicious he could be towards the Germans, he was also a man with great reserves of compassion.
Unfortunate truth is that most Nazi war criminals at this level not killed on sight by allied troops or liberated concentration camp victims got away with their crimes
About 90% of serious war criminals never saw a hint of retribution. They went back to a completely normal life. I personally believe that the camp liberators felt more remorse than did the perpetrators
@@keithingram5333 that's the unfortunate reality of it. The monsters who did these things largely got off free, many were even employed post-war by the militaries of both Germany's (ex Gestapo in the Stasi, former Wehrmacht & SS in the Bundeswehr, etc.)
@@keithingram5333 Even some of the worst like those under SS thug Jochen Peiper were not charged with war crimes. Unbelievable rape of justice everywhere by the Allies.
Yup, some went to live in South America, and of course, there was Operation Paperclip. Some that served that evil, went on to hold senior positions in civilian and military organisations. One was an EEC Commissioner, another one was NATO Chief of Staff, and another was a UN Secretary General
That's why the word "war crimes" never meant anything to me. Justice is almost never served.
I remember at my Catholic Church I went to, across the street from my house, when I was in 9th grade, they had a guest speaker, a women who was a young girl who was in a labor/concentration camp, they actually worked her camp in the local town. Everyday they would match them into town to do work. The townspeople were horrible to them, and the stories she told us, when beyond anything I’d ever heard in my young life. This was 1982. I knew about the nazis and the Holocaust, but to actually hear the stories, made it so real. I cried for a week at night after that. The same type of thing is started to happen again. It doesn’t happen overnight, it happens slowly.
Reminds me of the mountain from The Sound of Music AND The Pacific where Sledge kills the Japanese soldier
Well, it is the alps where the Sound of Music takes place in
@@edaxsachorwzky8898 You can actually see the Eagle’s Nest at the end of The Sound of Music, when they’re escaping to Switzerland.
Reminds me of the intro to inglorious basterds
@@ElleCee62978, I know it doesn't matter, but my grandma used to be friends with Daniel Truhitte, who played Rolfe, believe it or not.
@@adamcuneo7189 That is so awesome!
My grandfather was in the 82nd and when they found the first camp they stopped taking prisoners
@Lat72 Nope. Just very hard to take them alive. Never wanted to surrender those SS bastards. Kinda like how it's a mystery how the pedophile in prison was killed. No idea. Besides, the only good Nazi is a dead one.
The Nuremberg trials simply took too long to give every war criminal due process so they stopped after trying the 24 Nazis.
82nd all the way.
After Malmedy, most paratroopers didn't take prisoners. Especially SS prisoners.
@@charlesbaer9971Some German railway workers were killed because their uniform resembled the SS's
I went to Poland in 2019. Never let anyone tell you nobody knew what was happening. They all knew. The smell was like burned chicken. The guide told us that’s her mum wouldn’t put her washing on the line on days they were having a new group of people arriving xx
Thank you for making this point.We were at Sachsenhausen and the guide said none of the families around the camp knew what was going on inside the camp.
In disbelief, I asked : "Really? What about the smell?" An uncomfortable silence followed. They knew.
Oh Yes, the 1911... known far and wide for jamming at the most inopportune time
Ain’t that the truth
No Glocks back then
And the funny thing is, we were STILL using them in the 1980s, back when I was in the service!
The 1911 was one of the greatest pistol of all time
I carried the 92 beretta.
I knew a world war 2 vet that had walked into one of those camps. The only thing he would say is that he would never forget the sight of the people that looked like walking skeletons. But it was the horror on his face that spoke much louder.
Liebgott is overridden of emotion in this scene. Maybe justifiably so. Webster is tired of killing and is questioning Liebgott of his orders. “War is over”. But then Liebgott after the death of the “officer” is questioning whether they did the right thing.. “officers don’t run”. Webster logically comments “wars over, anybody would run”. We will never know if he was a Nazi officer but Webster’s response leaves up to interpretation whether or not they killed an officer.
Webster character displays a man of logic.
Even though they go into it without knowing they killed an officer, he also knows that anybody after a war especially losing one, would run for their life knowing they will not die for any cause they believe in.
Never picked up on that until now but I think the writers of that show intended to display that thought. My two cents.
Consider the scene, based on the translation of what Liebgott and the German actually said to each other in German (he never confessed or even admitted to knowing about the camp- also, Germans in the countryside didn't experience rationing or other hardships that people in other European countries experienced).
You're an old man, getting shouted at by a very pissed off invading soldier who's accusing you of being a Nazi Commandant. You know there's very little chance of reasoning with the guy, and he's got two armed friends with him.
What would you do?
Liebgott's war wasn't over. They murder six million of his people. They're lucky he wasn't simply unleashed on them.
@@user-bg5pe6ov7s Webster refused multiple promotions.
There is no 'justifiably so' in this.
It was murder.
The war was over and any German officers were civilians at that point as they had unconditionally surrendered. If this man had been an officer then these morons had a duty of care under the Geneva Convention.
The German SS used to turn up in people's homes and shoot them. This time it was the American SS.
Cold blooded murder!
They have no orders and they don´t even know if this the right man!
I wonder if the commandant's fate is based on the fate of the commander of Mauthausen, who was discovered by American troops in hiding in a cabin on a mountain. He was shot three times in the stomach trying to escape and was brought to a US military hospital set up in Mauthausen where he died after interrogation by an inmate. His body was hung on the fence of the camp by former prisoners.
Franz Ziereis was supposedly caught by former camp inmates and then "interrogated" lying in a bed (6-8 hours until his death).
A protocol of this was to my understanding only written down 10 months later from memory.
It made it`s way into the nuremberg trials (Exhibit US-797 (Document 3870-PS).
Supposedly the Regional Court for Criminal Matters in Vienna declared in 1990 that it ws a forgery.
There is a picture of him hung by the neck on a barbed wire fencepost, naked with a bandage on his ellbow and chains in between his legs (right below his knees).
He has also the slogan "HH" (shortened for yt) the SS runes and swastika eitner paineed with black paint or burned into him on his back and ass.
Supposedly he hung there for several days.
The daily reports of the 131. US field hospital say the follwing:
"SS Trooper, Franz Ziereis Commandant of all concentration camps in Austria was captured today by some Polish men,
former inmates of the concentration camps, and brought to the hospital at 2130 hours.
He was questioned and given medical treatment so that he might live.
His rank was Colonel (Standartenführer). He was captured near Purge.
...
Franz Ziereis died at 0730 hours this morning and was hung as an effefigy by the Pole and Russian inmates of the former concentration camp, after deat."
Before the capture supposedly the first shot of the US-Americans hit Ziereis from the front on the upper left arm, only then did he turn around and try to escape,
the second shot hit him in the back, pierced his lungs and exited on the other side on his stomach.
On the picture with him hanging there we can not see any blood, holes or bandages in his upper body, only a bandage around his left ellbow.
Supposedly according to a photo album of Dr. Oscar Roth, which is now owned by the Yale University"He was captured and shot.".
There are other eye witness statements, that were made public later (1978 and 2008) which seem to support that including all kind of attricities (e.g. cutting out tongues) against germans.
To my understanding it`s still illegal for germany to prosecute or even investigate warcrimes comitted by the allies between 1939 and 1948or49.
I found out a few weeks ago that the OSS (precursor to the CIA) was covertly involved in the Nuremberg trials and made claims there with a film presented as evidence that contradicts what Yad Vashem in Israel, the US Holocaust Museum, the institutions in the places of today and also what Jewish and other mainstream historians say about it.
The whole movie is called:
"Nazi Concentration and Prison Camps (1945)"
An excerpt on yt is called.
"Nuremberg Day 8 Concentration Camp Film"
One of the OSS people even appears in front of the camera and others made the film and gave affidavits for its credibility shown at the beginning of the film.
Their names can be found in a database published since 2008.
Affidavits are shown throughout the film at the beginning. There are signatures from:
HE. Kellogg, Lieutenant US Navy
John Ford Captain US Navy (if I am informed correctly 5 times Oscar winner)
George C Stevens Lt. Colonel (Hollywood director e.g. from the film "Giant" from 1956)
James B. Donovan (as counsel before whom Stevens' statement was made.
Jack H. Taylor, US Navy, steps in front of the camera (as one of I think 3 people, including a prison doctor and the chief of the British guards in Bergen Belsen).
These individuals can all be found in the OSS database published since 2008 by searching for the following:
Records of the Office of Strategic Services (RG 226)
under:
OSS
Records relating to Personnel
Database.
I don't know how many others were also involved undercover there.
If I am correctly informed, then, for example, the psychologist Dr. ( Donald ) Ewen Cameron, who was apparently later involved in the MK-ULTRA project, interrogated Rudolf Hess at the trials.
Interestingly, there is also a film by Billy Wilder that he made for the "Psychological Warfare Division" and the Alfred Hitchcock film is similar. I could pick out the titles of the two films.
Rules according to which the processes took place:
International military tribunal charter
Article 19.
The tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent, expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.
Item 20.
The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof.
Item 21.
The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other tribunals any of the United Nations.
Some of what was proven there is now even doubted by, among others, mainstream Jewish historians and institutions and also the institutions there. You don't even have to look at what the revisionists say.
This, combined with nationally and internationally applicable and applied law, gives a deep insight, especially when you consider that you still risk imprisonment on this basis and that the USA is in Germany on this basis.
This leads at least to legal uncertainty, but also to other things.
Stay safe.
How do you shoot someone in the stomach who's trying to escape? Surely he'd be facing the wrong way?
Not that I particularly care, given who he was and what he did.
When I was 15, we lived in Wiesbaden in 1965. (Dad was a shrink in the US Air Force.)
I remember going a road trip to Dachau. At the time, the occupation treaty specified that the Germans couldn't just bulldoze over these camps but had to maintain some of them. (There was no mention of the signage to find them, and ever German we met when asked, "Wo ist Dachau?" His answer was, "Ich weiss nicht."
Well, we finally found it and were going through the museum when I saw a picture of a camp inmate dragging another inmate along the ground by a set of ice tongs stuck in his head. Looking closely, I realized that the guy's eyes were open, staring at the camera. He was still alive.
I lost a lot of innocence that day.
Nevertheless, Germany tried to come to terms with its dark times. When will other nations start doing this? I think the USA in particular has a lot of catching up to do, or the UK or France, etc.
Monsters have nothing to do with nations. They are everywhere. Sorry for my bad English.
In trying to interview Ware County, GA GIs who took the prisons, all I could get out of them was tears. Forty years after the fact and they were still traumatized.
Same when the exercise was done in Ellis County KS. A lot of very messed up men.
Liebgott never had contact with any E Company member after the war. Never attended a reunion and ignored all attempts to contact him. According to his family, he never spoke of the war or his time in service.
My father liberated buchanwalld concentration camp. He was haunted by that for the rest of his life.
The liberation of Buchenwald is a very interesting case, since the Americans found a young child under a pile of corpses. This boy would grow up to become the Head Rabbi of Israel and the chairman of Yad VaShem.
Just read the story of Witold Pilecki
He let the germsns to capture him that he could tell a truth about germapn camps. He was in Oświęcim, he built a resistance, took evidences and run away to UK. UK commanders didint bealived him and didint public it. They simply didint care. So he backed to Poland and joined AK polish army to fight till the end.
Familiar name, thanks to Sabaton, amazing man he was Witold...
Politicians don't care. :( they never have and never will.
And then the Communists murdered him.
Gee whiz, I was expecting Julie Andrews to come sweeping over the green mountain in the scene. "The hills are alive with the Sound of Music..."
"Oops! Wrong movie!"
I love how this shows Webster clinging to every shred of himself while knowing he can change nothing. What's he gonna do? Kill his friends? Call for help? Ask for a time out? Maybe put up the _Die Fledermaus_ signal? He's powerless and he knows what will happen and he knows he can't win, none of them can but he sees it clearly from the get go. Great scene.
After the war Webster became a journalist and writer, he was lost at sea whilst shark fishing alone in 1961. His body was never found.
@@shoutinghorse true. His boat was, I believe.
Maybe he should've gotten him a ticket for a cruise ship to Argentina, along with dr. Mengele. I really don't understand some people's pity for these war criminals. It's repugnant how many nazis evaded punishment after WW2.
@@zlosliwa_menda right off the bat, just who is excusing war criminals here? And a great follow up question: do you agree with lynch mobs, yes or no?
@@bbb462cid Did I say anything about excusing war criminals? I'm talking about the kind of people who are obsessed with "being humane" and "proper" towards those who, through their actions, have forfeited their own humanity. We're not dealing with lynch mobs here, we're dealing with nazis who are guilty beyond reasonable doubt. The fact that so many high ranking nazis fled justice, or even worse, simply weren't prosecuted and continued living in Germany after the war as if nothing had happened like Heinz Reinefarth, is a sick joke. Same with the Soviets and their war criminals, who were never prosecuted.
God I need to watch all of these again! Such great movies! Been probably about 10-12 years since I've seen them!
Don't get me wrong, this is a good scene and I love all the characters involved, but Webster's acting pretty high an mighty for a guy who put his .45 to a German bakers throat just 1 episode ago xD
I find the actor pretty annoying in anything he’s in so he killed the character for me personally.
That German baker was raising hell about his goods being used to feed starving people. Webster was *just* there and saw that hellhole, the baker lived leisurely just next door.
He just didn't think this dude was who intelligence said he was.
@@carolyntruswell2100 oh absolutely. I'm definitely not criticizing him for his actions in either episode, hell I'd have done the same thing with the Baker probably, I just find the contrast of his disposition amusing.
@@EthanDarke True but the bakery scene was just after the discovery of the camp. The execution of the German may have been weeks after and he's had some time to digest it all and calm down.
@@doggcrapper1 - He was supposed to be Bruce Wayne/Batman in The Dark Knight trilogy.
In the caption Leibgott looks like he’s enjoying a game of Golf
That little farmhouse is in some beeeeeeeeautiful scenery
@3:04 Nice landscape view of green grass on the slope with a beautiful mountain.
Based on a true event. Zeriess was name I think. Shot 3 times 'while trying to escape'. Brought to a camp hospital. His body was hung on a camp fence after he died. I think vengeance is something the mind demands for healing. The people who suffer should see the suffering of those responsible. It's good medicine.
No need to apologize for it.
Franz Ziereis (pronounced ZEE-RICE in english terms)
Forgiveness is the medicine that heals. Not vengeance
@@scottchace780 Not so sure about that.
@@tommyl3207 Yeah well have at it Tommy. See where it gets you.
The smart and important guards fled, the ones left behind were more or less hapless...
What was done at those camps descended beyond Evil. Demonic.
Comfy retirement? Liebgott ain't about that shit.
The title is misleading, they don’t know the guy was a camp commander and they murdered him. That’s usually considered a war crime.
Franz Ziereis was 39 when he was killed. The actor they got play him here has got to be 50 if he's a day.
However, some discrepancies.
Ziereis fled with his wife on 3 May 1945. He attempted to hide out in his hunting lodge on the Pyhrn mountain in Upper Austria. He was discovered and arrested on 23 May 1945, by an American army unit. He was shot three times in the stomach while trying to escape and brought to a U.S. military hospital set up at the former Gusen I concentration camp where he died shortly after interrogation by a former inmate of Mauthausen, Hans Marsalek. His corpse was later hung on the fence of Gusen I by former prisoners of Gusen.
Dont forget they raped and killed his wife too
Franz Ziereis was supposedly caught by former camp inmates and then "interrogated" lying in a bed (6-8 hours until his death).
A protocol of this was to my understanding only written down 10 months later from memory.
It made it`s way into the nuremberg trials (Exhibit US-797 (Document 3870-PS).
Supposedly the Regional Court for Criminal Matters in Vienna declared in 1990 that it ws a forgery.
There is a picture of him hung by the neck on a barbed wire fencepost, naked with a bandage on his ellbow and chains in between his legs (right below his knees).
He has also the slogan "HH" (shortened for yt) the SS runes and swastika eitner paineed with black paint or burned into him on his back and ass.
Supposedly he hung there for several days.
The daily reports of the 131. US field hospital say the follwing:
"SS Trooper, Franz Ziereis Commandant of all concentration camps in Austria was captured today by some Polish men,
former inmates of the concentration camps, and brought to the hospital at 2130 hours.
He was questioned and given medical treatment so that he might live.
His rank was Colonel (Standartenführer). He was captured near Purge.
...
Franz Ziereis died at 0730 hours this morning and was hung as an effefigy by the Pole and Russian inmates of the former concentration camp, after deat."
Before the capture supposedly the first shot of the US-Americans hit Ziereis from the front on the upper left arm, only then did he turn around and try to escape,
the second shot hit him in the back, pierced his lungs and exited on the other side on his stomach.
On the picture with him hanging there we can not see any blood, holes or bandages in his upper body, only a bandage around his left ellbow.
Supposedly according to a photo album of Dr. Oscar Roth, which is now owned by the Yale University"He was captured and shot.".
There are other eye witness statements, that were made public later (1978 and 2008) which seem to support that including all kind of attricities (e.g. cutting out tongues) against germans.
To my understanding it`s still illegal for germany to prosecute or even investigate warcrimes comitted by the allies between 1939 and 1948or49.
I found out a few weeks ago that the OSS (precursor to the CIA) was covertly involved in the Nuremberg trials and made claims there with a film presented as evidence that contradicts what Yad Vashem in Israel, the US Holocaust Museum, the institutions in the places of today and also what Jewish and other mainstream historians say about it.
The whole movie is called:
"Nazi Concentration and Prison Camps (1945)"
An excerpt on yt is called.
"Nuremberg Day 8 Concentration Camp Film"
One of the OSS people even appears in front of the camera and others made the film and gave affidavits for its credibility shown at the beginning of the film.
Their names can be found in a database published since 2008.
Affidavits are shown throughout the film at the beginning. There are signatures from:
HE. Kellogg, Lieutenant US Navy
John Ford Captain US Navy (if I am informed correctly 5 times Oscar winner)
George C Stevens Lt. Colonel (Hollywood director e.g. from the film "Giant" from 1956)
James B. Donovan (as counsel before whom Stevens' statement was made.
Jack H. Taylor, US Navy, steps in front of the camera (as one of I think 3 people, including a prison doctor and the chief of the British guards in Bergen Belsen).
These individuals can all be found in the OSS database published since 2008 by searching for the following:
Records of the Office of Strategic Services (RG 226)
under:
OSS
Records relating to Personnel
Database.
I don't know how many others were also involved undercover there.
If I am correctly informed, then, for example, the psychologist Dr. ( Donald ) Ewen Cameron, who was apparently later involved in the MK-ULTRA project, interrogated Rudolf Hess at the trials.
Interestingly, there is also a film by Billy Wilder that he made for the "Psychological Warfare Division" and the Alfred Hitchcock film is similar. I could pick out the titles of the two films.
Rules according to which the processes took place:
International military tribunal charter
Article 19.
The tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent, expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.
Item 20.
The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof.
Item 21.
The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other tribunals any of the United Nations.
Some of what was proven there is now even doubted by, among others, mainstream Jewish historians and institutions and also the institutions there. You don't even have to look at what the revisionists say.
This, combined with nationally and internationally applicable and applied law, gives a deep insight, especially when you consider that you still risk imprisonment on this basis and that the USA is in Germany on this basis.
This leads at least to legal uncertainty, but also to other things.
Stay safe.
The troubling part of this scene is that the ranking NCO exercises no leadership whatsoever over the situation until it goes completely sideways.
How noble! How self-righteous! How dumb!
Everyone: YA JUSTICE FOR CAMPS!
Me: Who’s going to feed the farm animals now?
Lol I like the at first "wut?" Knowing good and well he speaks German and knows and doesn't care
That was never proved and he was doing a vendetta killing. The soldier who actually shot was entirely basing his judgement on what Joe had told him.
This is what street justice looks like.
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Just cuz he was designated to run a forced labor camp?
@@Briman2052 Because he was following orders? Fuck 'em
@@movienerd202 A forced labor camp, nothing more.
@@Briman2052 They murdered millions
What I find interesting about Liebgot is that he's portrayed as a Jew in the series but he wasn't in real life. The rest of Easy Company thought he was and he never said anything to the contrary
This is Sopranos levels of murder, especially the drive back.
Wasn’t murder.
Summary justice
@@MrFStCtUK doesn't have to be unjustified to be murder
It’s a nazi dude. We call this justice
@@darwinbodero7872 your mom
My grandfather was also almost killed by the Nazis. He was drafted into the Wehrmacht and sent to Russia. And the Americans tried to kill him by not letting him flee out of the Soviet occupation zone.
I feel so "liberated" right now. *Clap my hands*
Beautiful
Oh yes revenge "So sweet yet so bitter"
Bitter when it's vigilantism.
you said this now what makes it bitter when you have no soul? tell me about your humanity please, if you fit the profit i may nail you to a cross there jesus
@@sploofmcsterra4786 and when they don't know its the camp commander for sure
@@sploofmcsterra4786 If it isn't vigilantism it's justice.
Holy shit! I had that same eye twitch at 2:20 when shit got intense for me! Kudos to the actor if he knew how to do that. It looked so natural.
true actually. Never liked his character in this show, but fair play, that was very realistic.
Sourced from the book
“While on occupation duty in Austria, Easy Company commander Ronald Speirs assigned Liebgott, along with John C. Lynch, Don Moone, and Wayne Sisk, to "eliminate" a Nazi who had been the head of a labor camp. When they found the man, Liebgott interrogated him for about thirty minutes, confirming that he was the man they wanted. They drove him to a ravine and Liebgott shot him twice. Wounded, the Nazi ran up a hill and Lynch ordered Moone to shoot him. Moone refused, and Sisk killed the man with a single, fatal rifle shot.”
Nice shot. Right to the center of the spine.
David Kenyon Webster is my favorite character from the show ngl
My father was one of many who visited these camps within days of capture it was something was I told about only when I was in my early teens and clearly even after so many years the effects on him were profound. The time frame was about period when they were forcing locals living in the area to come into the camps to see what was done to these poor people.
I found out a few weeks ago that the OSS (precursor to the CIA) was covertly involved in the Nuremberg trials and made claims there with a film presented as evidence that contradicts what Yad Vashem in Israel, the US Holocaust Museum, the institutions in the places of today and also what Jewish and other mainstream historians say about it.
The whole movie is called:
"Nazi Concentration and Prison Camps (1945)"
An excerpt on yt is called.
"Nuremberg Day 8 Concentration Camp Film"
One of the OSS people even appears in front of the camera and others made the film and gave affidavits for its credibility shown at the beginning of the film.
Their names can be found in a database published since 2008.
Affidavits are shown throughout the film at the beginning. There are signatures from:
HE. Kellogg, Lieutenant US Navy
John Ford Captain US Navy (if I am informed correctly 5 times Oscar winner)
George C Stevens Lt. Colonel (Hollywood director e.g. from the film "Giant" from 1956)
James B. Donovan (as counsel before whom Stevens' statement was made.
Jack H. Taylor, US Navy, steps in front of the camera (as one of I think 3 people, including a prison doctor and the chief of the British guards in Bergen Belsen).
These individuals can all be found in the OSS database published since 2008 by searching for the following:
Records of the Office of Strategic Services (RG 226)
under:
OSS
Records relating to Personnel
Database.
I don't know how many others were also involved undercover there.
If I am correctly informed, then, for example, the psychologist Dr. ( Donald ) Ewen Cameron, who was apparently later involved in the MK-ULTRA project, interrogated Rudolf Hess at the trials.
Interestingly, there is also a film by Billy Wilder that he made for the "Psychological Warfare Division" and the Alfred Hitchcock film is similar. I could pick out the titles of the two films.
Rules according to which the processes took place:
International military tribunal charter
Article 19.
The tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent, expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.
Item 20.
The Tribunal may require to be informed of the nature of any evidence before it is entered so that it may rule upon the relevance thereof.
Item 21.
The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other tribunals any of the United Nations.
Some of what was proven there is now even doubted by, among others, mainstream Jewish historians and institutions and also the institutions there. You don't even have to look at what the revisionists say.
This, combined with nationally and internationally applicable and applied law, gives a deep insight, especially when you consider that you still risk imprisonment on this basis and that the USA is in Germany on this basis.
This leads at least to legal uncertainty, but also to other things.
Stay safe.
@@mrd7067 Are you trying to say these camps did not exist and that stories were made up by the OSS? These camps were real the details of what happened there are fact. My father saw first hand maybe one or two days first hand and was forever haunted by what he saw.
At the time that these events happened he had no first hand knowledge of what these camps were used for but clearly people were being killed. He spoke German, French and Italian. He did speak to people who were there and gained some idea of what was going on. Most death camps were located outside of Germany what the main use of this camp was I do not know but one thing is for sure people were killed after a sort period of time as their use to the nazi cause was no longer needed.
He also traveled to a tunnel complexes that had been captured within the last few days before he got there. One in particular was an aircraft manufacturing plant and inside the complex were French slave labors. He called to anyone still inside in French for them to come out and get food and water. They did not come outside and the army just placed food at the entrance and pulled back so those inside would come out without fear too obtain some rations.
I only spoke of these events a couple of times with him as this really was a painful subject for him.
Sadly my father died in my arms when I. was seventeen years old, he was just 51. He was not in good health even when he was in the army and worked mostly as a MP or with MP units during the last days of the war. He would gather German soldiers from the front lines and try to separate out SS soldiers from the regular army.
@@davidmicheletti6292
Of course this camps did exist.
The same way as other prison camps existed and still do for example in the US.
What exactly happened there is disputed though and not only between allied nations and germans or those who won the war and those who lost BUT on eye witness level (inmates who say different things but one tends ony to hear of those who lean to one side, the same for allied soldiers).
Would you trust any trial in the US where it turned out later that the CIA was covertly involved and introduced false evidence and witness statements on the basis of which those tried were found guilty?
I don`t even talk about the holocaust.
I give you a good example:
To my understanding they show Nordhausen (shown in the film at 24:06 min depending on the version) and say things about it (e.g. that the electicity and watersupply were not existant when the americans arrived)
What they failed to mention though is that 1400 of the inmates there were killed by a allied bombing. There is a reason why the electricity and watersupply wasn`t there and the same with the supply situation on other things as well.
Just take ANY random jail/prison in the US today.
Best one of those which has more inmates than it`s planned to hold.
Then introduce a pandemic (not covid which is quite survivable and uses limited hygienic but but something more severe like typhus as it was the case back then).
Now cut the energy and watersupply to this places and cut the other supply lines for 6 weeks (what happened back then to a lot of this places, Bergen Belsen is a great example).
I`m convinced you`d get very interesting pictures and film material and statements by the inmates and your armed forces arriving there.
That`s escpecially the case after your soldiers sided with the inmates (who can be in there for anything) and comitted a bunch of warcrimes on enemy soldiers / POWs they find as well as civilians in this area.
Keep in mind that what`s shown is, as admitted in the film itself, is just a selection of way more video material but they decided to show and say exactly what they did.
There are some pictures from a US civil war prison camp called Andersonville. There are very interesting pictures of the inmates there and they look almost exactly the same as the inmates in this german camps.
It`s very interestimg to compare things about this to allied ww1 propaganda (which to a great deal has been admitted to after ww1) while that`s not reay the case for ww2 and this things read very often very simmilar.
What you say as "most death camps were outside of germany" is not what was said back then (including in the OSS film i mentioned) but came later. I think this distinction came later in the 50s or even after that, certainly not before and in the first trials where you can still find it.
Interetingly even in those camps in the east there is a difference for what germans were tried and sentenced and what mainstream historians today (including Yad Vashem in Israel and the US holocaustmuseum and the staff at this places) say about it.
In the case of Majdanek it`s very interesting. To my understanding to this case the USholocaustmuseum says things that differ from what the staff there is saying as the USholocaustmuseum has taken it off of the death camp list (if i were to claim the same i`d risk legal trouble and jail for it).
Of course people were killed in this camps.
Some of it was even investigated by SS judges.
The SS judge Georg Konrad Morgen for example investigates crimes and corruption cases in concentration camps.
He accused and partially condemed concentration camp commanders (including several death sentences) before the war ended.
For example he investigated Buchenwald. You probably have heard of Karl Koch and Ilse Koch.
Karl Koch was found guilty of murder on 3 inmates and was executed in front of the inmates in the camp itself.
A other case Konrad Morgen was involved in as a judge was the one of Amon Göth (the camp commander you can see in the movie "Schindlers List" [all kind of critics on the movie, including jewish voices because of the claim lf falisification amd emotional manipulations]).
Before the trial against Amon Göth the war ended but others were found guilty and executed (e.g. Koch who i mentioned above and Hermann Florstedt, commander of the camp in Lubin) for simmilar offenses.
Keep in mind that throughout the war (not sure about 44 and 45) there were inmates (including jewish people) in this camps who were set free by the germans running this camps and there were jewish people leaving germany to palestine with official papers with the help of the SS.
There are still disscharge papers/clips from the camps in existence.
In some cases even jewish inmates wrote about their time there and about their later imprisonment (and t.orture and r.pe) by allies personal, especially the US and UK.
It`s a little known and inconvinient fact that in ww2 there were all kind of nationalities fighting on the german side. Including blacks and even jewish people. I`m even aware of some thais and a saudi arab.
I don`t think you know as much about this topic as you think you know.
Stay safe.
That place was so beautiful
I don’t remember this scene in BoB at all. I gotta rewatch it it’s been like over a decade
careful, last time I did that I ended up a damn combat medic in the army for four years
Was this the commandant of the same camp Liebgott & Easy liberated in “Why We Fight”?
"wich camp"
"whatever camp"
“Allegedly”
Mauthausen near Linz.
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Yup he took his maniacal ass off to Austria to hide
how the hell does the 1911 jam so much, thats like the 5th time in the show this gun jams, real pos gun
Usually failure to clean and lubricate the pistol.
Cleaning. Probably playing around with it too much thinking of killing the commandant.
@@rukus100821 also remembering that some of these pistols were already 30+ years old, they had to be constantly maintained....I carried one in Somalia in 94 and found that the spring was weak....had to load less rounds until I could get it replaced....lot more stopping power than the 9mm but not near as reliable....
@@rmcsswmike ahhh ok
1911a1s were made by John Moses Browning. They fired 230 grain FMJ or "ball" rounds. 1911s were manufactured 🏭 by several firms until 1946. Some were higher quality than others. What many are unaware of is the 1911a1 model had no new guns or new designs in approx 40+ years. Spare parts & springs began to wear out. The DoD chose the Beretta M9 9mm as a sidearm in 1985. It replaced .45acp pistols in about 80% of the units. Many SOF units(Delta Force Recon Rangers etc) chose to keep 1911s. By 2018(FY2018) nearly all the military 1911a1s were gone, even in SOF units.
beautiful
"SEE WHAT YOU DID TO MY PEOPLE!?" Joe's emotional voice was so powerful. Showing no sympathy to anyone who was a collaborator to the Holocaust.
Oh shit I've been taking german and i understood most of this scene lol
What did they say, if you don’t mind translating?
@@carlito___fml2652 "who are you, what are you doing here?"
liebgot: "what"
"i have nothing"
liebgot: "shut up"
"what are you doing here?!"
liebgot: "calm down"
liebgot: "you are the commander"
"go away"
liebgot: "you are the commander"
"what commander"
liebgot: "from the work camp"
"i know of no work camp"
"you have the wrong person"
"no, NO! "
"you are mistaken, you can't come in my house..."
* loud shouting by both*
*liebgot pulls out pistol*
"you can't shoot"
then webster goes for a smoke and that's about it.
I haven’t studied German in over 10 years. Surprised I got some of this
The dude who took the shot with the rifle is fine as hell
There's always that one comment that will ruin a perfectly great scene
If one was to attend any formal schools at Ft. Benning , Ga. Home of the Infantry , Airborne Basic and thee Ranger school and Pathfinder. You will find an amazing Museum there. "Lead The Way" Airborne !
I just finished probably my 4th/5th rewatch of the series and does it bother anyone else how inconsistent Webster is in the series?
In the episode he comes back (episode 8) he’s very amiable and likeable and can speak German.
Episode 9 Why We Fight he’s incredibly angry and prone to outbursts like screaming at the Germans surrendering and threatening the German bread maker with his pistol accusing him of being a Nazi. He also forgets he speaks German, completely ignoring the German’s words and having to be told what he’s saying.
Then the last episode, we have this scene, he’s very shaky, and unwilling to do anything to would-be guilty Germans. Then RIGHT after when he’s relieving Janovec he’s back to being an ass to Germans.
It’s almost like Webster’s role in anything post episode 8 was meant for different characters and they gave it to him.
the actual interpreter that was on the patrol in episode 8 was Forrest Guth, so yeah they used Webster to fill his spot and then again in this scene the real person was named Don Moone
although him being incredibly angry in episode 9 isn't entirely out of character iirc they literally had just found a concentration camp and i think anyone would be incredibly angry at that
When Webster is on the truck yelling at the surrendering Germans, he's really just venting his frustration at the war itself. He resents having to fight in it, derailing his life. And upon seeing Germans still using horses for transportation, he's incredulous at the industrial disadvantage the Germans had to the Americans -- how could they have ever thought they could win? How could they be so _foolish?_
He is inconsistent, but the event in the truck had more nuance than him just being angry at Germans in a general sense.
I looked up the real Webster's personality and I've read that he had changed dramatically over the course of war. He's an educated guy, went to Harvard, studied Literature.. definitely not a war-type person, must be why it was hard to maintain consistency during his time because he was in the middle of a battle with the enemy and even to his own self. Imagine, his beliefs and principles were being shaken. I know you're speaking about the acting, but maybe that was what they were trying to portray through him. When faced with all of that and you're just a kid, say 20s, it's hard to be consistent.
in reality, all these episodes included different people instead of Webster. but he did change a lot during the war - from cheerful and idealistic he became bitter and depressed. by the end of it, he hated war, Germans, the army and its bureaucracy. so episode 9 was realistic. in the last one, even if he's replacing real-life Moone, the motivation is the same - he doesn't care about the suspected commander, he is afraid they're gonna be court-martialed since it's the end of the war and they're executing a man without a proper trial. which is still pretty consistent with his character in the show. he's worried about the consequences. Moone refused to shoot the man for the same reason, he doubted Spiers had any authority to give such an order
Webster only changed in episode 8 to 10 because he did not experience bastogne thats why when he appear again at episode thats where he started to change while his platoon members already changed back on bastogne
Even if he was guilty, since the war was over, wouldn't the order have been to detain the guy and bring him back for trial?
Normally yes Because even as A criminal he counts as a civilian so By defenition Libgott Just committed a war crime.
I absolutely despise the Holocaust But this is a fine example That shows that Both Partys committed war crimes.
What's to say about these old man he was probably guilty so he would be dead anyways but Shooting him on spot is Not okay Because per Definition he counts as a civilian
That's true, but he was killed attempting to evade arrest.
@@SwordsmanMercenary They weren't exactly trying to "arrest" him, now were they?
@@SwordsmanMercenary evade? He was grabbed and was trying to beg for his life, and you call that evading? Jesus Christ.
It was a war crime which is why even though webster despised the geans by that point he refused to shoot the man. His being there to begin with was webster still being guilty even though he tried to talk them out o it. Although in real life I don't believe webster was there.
Can anyone comment what does the commandant says?
2:50 the hills are alive with the sound of music...
Someone says Spiers, Liebgott and Sisk should've been tried for this . . says the man who was NEVER there !!!, 🇬🇧
Webster and the other guy actually weren't there. It was sisk and someone else
No, Webster wasn’t there. It was Liebgott sisk and Someone I can’t remember
Fun fact: They then pushed the body to the side so Julie Andrews could do her famous twirl.....🎶 "The hills are alive, with the sound of music." 🎶
Fun fact: Like many other things in Band of Brothers, this too is a fictionalized version of a real event with members of Easy Company inserted. This is based on the shooting of Franz Ziereis who had been commandant of Mauthausen. He had tried to hide out at his mountain hunting cabin but was spotted and reported. On May 23, 1945, U.S. Army soldiers attempted to arrest him, and he was shot three times trying to escape. He died the next day in a U.S. Army hospital. No members of Easy Company were involved.
Smooth Brain here: What does he mean by "Officers don't run?"
Dan van Husen, the actor who played the commandant, is dead in real life too. He died in 2020.
p.s. The title of this video is misleading. As displayed in the video clip, Skinny Sisk killed the Commandant, not Joe Liebgott.
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He was born in Germany the same day Adolf Hitler killed himself.
Was he shot in the back?
@@us-Bahn he died of the COVID 19 virus and was cremated like other people who died of the disease
Every time I rewatch this series, the more I'm convinced that this is one of the best scenes in the entire show. It shows the cycle of violence and the moral ambiguity in the aftermath of World War 2. After experiencing the darkest and must destructive event imaginable, where do we go from here as a global community? How could we hope to reconcile all that hatred and build back a better world?
Timestamp 3:02 might be my favourite shot in the whole series, which is really saying something!
Did this really happen? I can’t remember anything said about it in the interviews? The 45th infantry division from my home state of Oklahoma liberated Dachou camp and most of the guards had run off or got killed.
"Anyone who runs is an SS, anyone who stands still is a well disciplined SS"
Even in war murder is still murder. Not excusing or condemning anyone just stating a fact.
It was the worst part of war. When the victors didn't have any enemy to shoot, they would find any goddamn reason to shoot.
Yeah. But at the same time you would probably feel the same way. I would feel the same way. Imagine being a soldier then. Russian. American. British. Doesn't matter. You fight across the continent. Losing sleep and losing friends. Maybe you have been wounded as well. One day your commander gives you an order to check out a camp. Easy orders, you think. Probably an abandoned barracks or munitions dump.
Instead of finding army barracks and ammo however, you find a camp with thousands of emaciated and miserable people. Surrounded by the rotting, skeletal bodies of men. Women. Children. Your easy mission has just become a desperate struggle to save the lives of thousands of prisoners. Many of whom would probably die anyway.
I can say without any doubt that I would feel the same burning desire for revenge. I think it's the same for you. You wouldn't want these people to get immunity for their crimes. Which many did. You don't want to play the politics game. You're just an exhausted and supremely angry and disgusted soldier and all you want in that moment is to get revenge for the thousands of dead people who were left to rot in piles.
I can say that if war ever comes to American soil, and the invasion force finds evidence of death camps that occurred under my nose, I wouldn't expect any mercy either. A society reaps what they sow.
@@scotthenderson292 You miss the point that the war was just over. Any act of killing is illegal. Revenge is the wrong justification.
If I were a soldier then I would return my humanity that was lost during the war time.
@@ninomediera1706 I don't know if it's possible to return your humanity after such a devastating experience. I'm just saying that I wouldn't judge any man who executed Germans. It was a hellish experience
Julius Streicher was also hiding in such a hut and was arrested by a group of US-soldiers, who recognized him.
The shooting of the unnamed commandant of an unnamed concentration camp is based on the shooting of Franz Ziereis who had been commandant of Mauthausen.
I seen a thing about what the Allied forces did to German soldiers after liberating DAUCHAU concentration camp. It was quietly buried.
A war crime is a war crime regardless of which side one is on.
Ethics, honor, is not something a uniform gives you. It comes from someplace HIGHER. ✝️
cool...but wich camp
Mauthausen.
Liebgott actually wasn't the one who killed him.
talk about baiting with a comment.
you like candy kid?
Imagine that , his 1911 jammed.
Never knew Paul Di Resta shot some Austrian guy to get his drive until now
2:50 i love how the Chicken 🐓 stopped grazing in order to watch Justice being served...