@@CliffordMartinOnline Yeah, he had to be since it was his own "concept". That's how he always referred to it. I'm certainly glad I got to study it directly from the source. I see it get misinterpreted too much.
@@geneclemetson4779Hi Gene, that's not my copy, it's just for the video thumbnail . The copy I have is a downloaded version of the original. Can't buy it in the shops anymore [UK], very difficult to get hold of, even in the library it is only for reference and not for loan. You were lucky to have studied with him, great to hear from one of his students.
Hi Peter, Funny Comment!.. Well the book is a bit esoteric in the writing and thinking and style of the day. Yes I would imagine most people would find the writing a bit eccentric...But, this is a music theory that is quite convoluted in its explanation. It was employed by some Jazz greats [probably in a less convoluted and natural manner] in its day. ....But despite it all George Russell did come up with a brilliant concept and a way of re thinking music theory. Thanks for commenting!
Hi, could you please explain to me how to find the parent scale? (I'm a bit confused even with the explanation in the vid) I'm OK following other aspects of the LCC other than that bit..
Hi, the parent scale is a bit of a long winded way of going about things. But, for example, If we take Eb7 then the parent scale would be the "Flat 7th" degree because it would be the "LYDIAN TONIC" Meaning if we go up the scale from that Db note we would have a Lydian scale. Db Lydian as the parent scale. You could also look at it as Eb7 being the 2nd degree/mode of the Db Lydian mode which would give us Eb Mixolydian [Same notes]. Again it is a very long winded way about using modes. Nowadays we would instinctively use Mixolydian on the Eb7 chord. If you can get hold of the LCC book [Free pdf or library copy as it is really expensive] that is the best way to see George Russell's methodology/thinking. It is a really great concept, brilliant idea and very useful but some of the ways of going about things are a bit dated nowadays. Thanks for watching the video, Please Subscribe! Thanks Cliff
@@CliffordMartinOnline great thanks, yes it has sank in now! When you say that some applications are a bit dated now do you mean that tastes have changed or the applications are a bit less convoluted?
@@hanktheblesseddeejay Hi, yeah, I mean the applications are less convoluted. I mean on Eb7 it could be Eb mixolydian or Db lydian or Ab Ionian [Major] or C phrygian etc because they all have the same notes depending on what note you start on. But, being the Lydian chromatic concept we have the 7th the Db which makes the "Lydian tonic" and then adding some convolution lol we have Eb as the second note of Db lydian and hence [with the same notes] Eb mixolydian. That's why in the video I didn't go into this too much because it is very complex sounding for something that is actually pretty simple but to try and word it it comes out sounding complex and confusing.
The musical concepts are very organised and can be easily explained. Using complex text didn't help. It only alienates the reader. I'd say the text is more of a reflection of the. C complexities of Goergr Russell the man rather than the musicology
Hi, the outgoing "Tonal Gravity Level" goes to C# next [Not F# for perfect 5ths]. So the first scale Lydian then goes to the next scale Lydian Augmented [Raised 5th C#] So the 7th and 8th notes are a tone apart and don't follow the cycle of 5ths. So we have B to C# for the raised 5th of the next scale and not B to F# for a cycle of 5ths. ......I do show all of this on my website but I will make another short video to explain this with a diagram. Thanks for commenting! Hers the LINK to a quick video explanation. th-cam.com/video/Tkaorha18Xs/w-d-xo.html
I do give a theoretical explanation to your question in video 2 on my series on Russell's concept. Very difficult subject but quite imaginative when you get into it. Don't understand why there is no 8th tone order though. If it is as Alt-picking states and C# is the next level of tonal gravity (if F is Lydian tonic) then surely the C# should be the 8th tone order. Still thinking about it.
@@bebopreview3187 th-cam.com/video/Tkaorha18Xs/w-d-xo.html explained. If you put an F# in there you would have a cycle of 5ths but the C# is in place because it is the next note [Note number 8] in the order of tonal gravity. The next scale though is F "Lydian Augmented" so we have F G A B C# D E F there is no "C natural" in there because it has been raised. So C# is number 8 in the order but number 5 in the Lydian Augmented scale with the C NATURAL [or note number 2] NOT being present.....Thanks for commenting!
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I studied this for two years with George himself when I was a student at NEC
Hi Gene, good to hear from someone who studied with him. I imagine that he he must have been a really good teacher?
@@CliffordMartinOnline Yeah, he had to be since it was his own "concept". That's how he always referred to it. I'm certainly glad I got to study it directly from the source. I see it get misinterpreted too much.
@@CliffordMartinOnline Where did you get that copy? This was the version he was working on when I was studying with him.
@@geneclemetson4779Hi Gene, that's not my copy, it's just for the video thumbnail . The copy I have is a downloaded version of the original. Can't buy it in the shops anymore [UK], very difficult to get hold of, even in the library it is only for reference and not for loan. You were lucky to have studied with him, great to hear from one of his students.
I think this video helped me understand the concept a bit better. I have to really digest the information afterwards
Thanks SHowler!
Muito bem. Obrigado.
Thanks Francisco! 👍
still love it!!
Same here, thanks Udo!
Have read this book. It's ok if you can read gobaly hook !
Hi Peter, Funny Comment!.. Well the book is a bit esoteric in the writing and thinking and style of the day. Yes I would imagine most people would find the writing a bit eccentric...But, this is a music theory that is quite convoluted in its explanation. It was employed by some Jazz greats [probably in a less convoluted and natural manner] in its day. ....But despite it all George Russell did come up with a brilliant concept and a way of re thinking music theory. Thanks for commenting!
Hi, could you please explain to me how to find the parent scale? (I'm a bit confused even with the explanation in the vid) I'm OK following other aspects of the LCC other than that bit..
Hi, the parent scale is a bit of a long winded way of going about things.
But, for example, If we take Eb7 then the parent scale would be the "Flat 7th" degree because it would be the "LYDIAN TONIC" Meaning if we go up the scale from that Db note we would have a Lydian scale. Db Lydian as the parent scale.
You could also look at it as Eb7 being the 2nd degree/mode of the Db Lydian mode which would give us Eb Mixolydian [Same notes].
Again it is a very long winded way about using modes.
Nowadays we would instinctively use Mixolydian on the Eb7 chord.
If you can get hold of the LCC book [Free pdf or library copy as it is really expensive] that is the best way to see George Russell's methodology/thinking. It is a really great concept, brilliant idea and very useful but some of the ways of going about things are a bit dated nowadays.
Thanks for watching the video, Please Subscribe! Thanks Cliff
@@CliffordMartinOnline great thanks, yes it has sank in now! When you say that some applications are a bit dated now do you mean that tastes have changed or the applications are a bit less convoluted?
@@hanktheblesseddeejay Hi, yeah, I mean the applications are less convoluted. I mean on Eb7 it could be Eb mixolydian or Db lydian or Ab Ionian [Major] or C phrygian etc because they all have the same notes depending on what note you start on.
But, being the Lydian chromatic concept we have the 7th the Db which makes the "Lydian tonic" and then adding some convolution lol we have Eb as the second note of Db lydian and hence [with the same notes] Eb mixolydian.
That's why in the video I didn't go into this too much because it is very complex sounding for something that is actually pretty simple but to try and word it it comes out sounding complex and confusing.
The musical concepts are very organised and can be easily explained. Using complex text didn't help. It only alienates the reader. I'd say the text is more of a reflection of the. C complexities of Goergr Russell the man rather than the musicology
0:44 harmonic 13 of C2 is G#5 +40.528 cents
Hi, it's not my diagram it's from George Russell's book "Lydian Chromatic Concept.
I don't think you really answer to the question why George Russell Skips the interval between 7th and 8th note :-)
Hi, the outgoing "Tonal Gravity Level" goes to C# next [Not F# for perfect 5ths]. So the first scale Lydian then goes to the next scale Lydian Augmented [Raised 5th C#] So the 7th and 8th notes are a tone apart and don't follow the cycle of 5ths. So we have B to C# for the raised 5th of the next scale and not B to F# for a cycle of 5ths. ......I do show all of this on my website but I will make another short video to explain this with a diagram. Thanks for commenting!
Hers the LINK to a quick video explanation.
th-cam.com/video/Tkaorha18Xs/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/Tkaorha18Xs/w-d-xo.html Click Link for Explanation
I do give a theoretical explanation to your question in video 2 on my series on Russell's concept. Very difficult subject but quite imaginative when you get into it. Don't understand why there is no 8th tone order though. If it is as Alt-picking states and C# is the next level of tonal gravity (if F is Lydian tonic) then surely the C# should be the 8th tone order. Still thinking about it.
@@bebopreview3187 th-cam.com/video/Tkaorha18Xs/w-d-xo.html explained.
If you put an F# in there you would have a cycle of 5ths but the C# is in place because it is the next note [Note number 8] in the order of tonal gravity. The next scale though is F "Lydian Augmented" so we have F G A B C# D E F there is no "C natural" in there because it has been raised. So C# is number 8 in the order but number 5 in the Lydian Augmented scale with the C NATURAL [or note number 2] NOT being present.....Thanks for commenting!