Great video! I always thought about that. I am always correcting once per loop, independent of the speed. But what you can do is very impressive I wonder if I can do that even with all the practice. I feel like I may need to invest a lot more stick time.
Hey Rich, what's the physics setting on your sim. Every motion seems to "hang" so artificially. When you are "knife edge" it should be dropping like a rock. Also, do you have any wind and gusting effects on?
The only changes I make from default are roll/piro rates and expo. Sometimes I use wind if there's something specific I want to work on, but off for the rest of the time. neXt has almost no hang and Heli-X has a tad too much. Heli-X is adding gravity strength in version 11, which might help.
@@rchelicopter i use real flight and maxout all the difficulty settings and drop headspeed with 75-75-75-75-75% flat throttle curve. Lower reduces the "artificial perfect hang time" dynamic. More accurate to action and reaction physics of smaller heli. Not 700 size goblins.
Fantastic video! I really need to work on my basics, especially inverted backwards. For some reason I get major brain lock when I try circuits inverted backwards. On a different note: You may have mentioned it before, but which sim are you using?
I’ve just progressed to this type of flying… piro-flips, 4 point tick-tocks, ect and in doing so I’m having trouble finding what settings are best. I’m on spektrum and the FC 6250 btw. With piro rate at 450, flip & roll rate at 275 with no expo my more advanced maneuvers are easier/cleaner but my funnels, hurricanes, and slow steady maneuvers suffer. 500 per second piro rate, 320 per second flip and roll rate with 25% expo makes my simpler manuevers better/cleaner but my complicated manuevers come out sloppy. Trying to find a balance here. Any recommendations? Is there a common choice when it comes to rates and expo for advanced/professional heli pilots? Figure I better get these settings right and adjust myself to them. Your videos are awesome btw, definitely helped me get beyond the 1st few things you showed in this video.
500/320 seem like good intermediate values. If the complicated maneuvers get worse, it could be a lack of fine control (more practice) or perhaps something physical like stick tension/hand position. Pinch/thumb/hybrid?
Ever since I started the hobby I’ve been at 500/320 expo 20-25% all around with very little change or testing. I fly pinch, mode 2. I’ve noticed I’m weak on the left side of the cyclic so I tend to go thumb only there then back to pinch. Upgrading from a Nx6 to Nx10 next month fingers crossed it helps. So for me no expo= holding my altitude better during tock tocks and correcting more than one axis at the same time is easier. More expo= smoother more deliberate sport 3d. Hard to figure this out as I hear people say no expo, 40%+ expo on rudder. I’d really like to try to cut&paste some of the pros rates and expo to test. Any recommendations on expo with 500/320?
@@Ryan-uu4tw Expo is tricky. Different radios calculate it differently and it depends if the expo is at the Tx or the Flight Controller. It also depends on the agility. If you're high agility/rates the amount of expo you need will be different to someone on low rates.
I’ve lowered the agility on my fusion 180 & 360 & raw 580 recently to try and prevent… I guess I’ll call them cyclic bobbles? During hard stops… like tick-tocks. Ugh gains a whole other beast, lots of variables making this tough. Well I can probably go 15% expo since I’ve turned down the agility. Hmm… Maybe leave rudder at 25. Well thanks man I’ll stay tuned
There’s no one right answer. The best option is to maximise the fidelity of the cyclic range you are most using. If most of your flying involves low cyclic rates (I.e. f3c, precision flying with fine adjustments) then you want to set high expo to get more control surface around the range of cyclic rate (degrees/second) that you mostly use. If you’re doing a lot of high rate manoeuvres like tictocks, piro flips etc then you want more fidelity around the edge of your cyclic stick control range on your transmitter, so you’d want flatter curves. Expo isn’t “free” in the sense that a shallower rate gradient around the centre (relative to flat curve) naturally corresponds to a steeper gradient around the edges and vice versa. Take piro flips for example: to maintain a smooth roll rate during the flip, you want the cyclic stir to be as circular as possible (all else being equal). However if you’re running 20% expo vs no expo, the 20% expo will translate to any perturbations of the circle shape corresponding to bigger errors in the cyclic rate. If you use a wide range of cyclic rate in your flying I.e. a “mixed” style then you should use 15-20% and stick to that. Keep in mind in the long run a pro pilot can comfortably do most of their manoeuvres at any expo rate. Someone at my club used positive rates (I.e. more sensitive around centre) and the way they were throwing around my 20% expo heli you’d think it was tuned to their liking; there is no substitute for hard practice.
Yeah, they go wrong so quickly. I've crashed loads. This is the only method I've found where you can get better at them without risking the model, as you have control at the orientations before you move on.
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I love these videos. They remind me of what I need to be focusing on when I'm practicing at the field or flying the sim
This video brought my grey areas to light. Thank you. Keep up the good Fight.
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Love the tutorials! Thank you.
thank you richard!
No worries. I'm not sure this will help you, you're too good! 😀
Keep up with your own videos, love them!
i too really enjoy these videos, a great job Richard HUBA HUBA
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Great video! I always thought about that. I am always correcting once per loop, independent of the speed. But what you can do is very impressive I wonder if I can do that even with all the practice. I feel like I may need to invest a lot more stick time.
Hey Rich, what's the physics setting on your sim. Every motion seems to "hang" so artificially.
When you are "knife edge" it should be dropping like a rock.
Also, do you have any wind and gusting effects on?
The only changes I make from default are roll/piro rates and expo. Sometimes I use wind if there's something specific I want to work on, but off for the rest of the time.
neXt has almost no hang and Heli-X has a tad too much. Heli-X is adding gravity strength in version 11, which might help.
@@rchelicopter i use real flight and maxout all the difficulty settings and drop headspeed with 75-75-75-75-75% flat throttle curve. Lower reduces the "artificial perfect hang time" dynamic. More accurate to action and reaction physics of smaller heli. Not 700 size goblins.
Awesome video and I liked your instruction. What sim are you using in this video?
Thanks. It's Heli-X.
Fantastic video! I really need to work on my basics, especially inverted backwards. For some reason I get major brain lock when I try circuits inverted backwards. On a different note: You may have mentioned it before, but which sim are you using?
This is Heli-X, but I any one will do.
I’ve just progressed to this type of flying… piro-flips, 4 point tick-tocks, ect and in doing so I’m having trouble finding what settings are best. I’m on spektrum and the FC 6250 btw.
With piro rate at 450, flip & roll rate at 275 with no expo my more advanced maneuvers are easier/cleaner but my funnels, hurricanes, and slow steady maneuvers suffer.
500 per second piro rate, 320 per second flip and roll rate with 25% expo makes my simpler manuevers better/cleaner but my complicated manuevers come out sloppy.
Trying to find a balance here. Any recommendations? Is there a common choice when it comes to rates and expo for advanced/professional heli pilots?
Figure I better get these settings right and adjust myself to them.
Your videos are awesome btw, definitely helped me get beyond the 1st few things you showed in this video.
500/320 seem like good intermediate values. If the complicated maneuvers get worse, it could be a lack of fine control (more practice) or perhaps something physical like stick tension/hand position. Pinch/thumb/hybrid?
Ever since I started the hobby I’ve been at 500/320 expo 20-25% all around with very little change or testing.
I fly pinch, mode 2. I’ve noticed I’m weak on the left side of the cyclic so I tend to go thumb only there then back to pinch.
Upgrading from a Nx6 to Nx10 next month fingers crossed it helps.
So for me no expo= holding my altitude better during tock tocks and correcting more than one axis at the same time is easier.
More expo= smoother more deliberate sport 3d.
Hard to figure this out as I hear people say no expo, 40%+ expo on rudder.
I’d really like to try to cut&paste some of the pros rates and expo to test.
Any recommendations on expo with 500/320?
@@Ryan-uu4tw Expo is tricky. Different radios calculate it differently and it depends if the expo is at the Tx or the Flight Controller. It also depends on the agility. If you're high agility/rates the amount of expo you need will be different to someone on low rates.
I’ve lowered the agility on my fusion 180 & 360 & raw 580 recently to try and prevent… I guess I’ll call them cyclic bobbles? During hard stops… like tick-tocks. Ugh gains a whole other beast, lots of variables making this tough.
Well I can probably go 15% expo since I’ve turned down the agility. Hmm… Maybe leave rudder at 25.
Well thanks man I’ll stay tuned
There’s no one right answer. The best option is to maximise the fidelity of the cyclic range you are most using. If most of your flying involves low cyclic rates (I.e. f3c, precision flying with fine adjustments) then you want to set high expo to get more control surface around the range of cyclic rate (degrees/second) that you mostly use. If you’re doing a lot of high rate manoeuvres like tictocks, piro flips etc then you want more fidelity around the edge of your cyclic stick control range on your transmitter, so you’d want flatter curves. Expo isn’t “free” in the sense that a shallower rate gradient around the centre (relative to flat curve) naturally corresponds to a steeper gradient around the edges and vice versa. Take piro flips for example: to maintain a smooth roll rate during the flip, you want the cyclic stir to be as circular as possible (all else being equal). However if you’re running 20% expo vs no expo, the 20% expo will translate to any perturbations of the circle shape corresponding to bigger errors in the cyclic rate.
If you use a wide range of cyclic rate in your flying I.e. a “mixed” style then you should use 15-20% and stick to that. Keep in mind in the long run a pro pilot can comfortably do most of their manoeuvres at any expo rate. Someone at my club used positive rates (I.e. more sensitive around centre) and the way they were throwing around my 20% expo heli you’d think it was tuned to their liking; there is no substitute for hard practice.
What flight sim is this?
This one is Heli-X.
every time i try to do funnels I end up dumping the heli 🤪
Yeah, they go wrong so quickly. I've crashed loads. This is the only method I've found where you can get better at them without risking the model, as you have control at the orientations before you move on.