HW30s Update
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ธ.ค. 2024
- This is my follow-up, 5 years later, to my original review of the Weihrauch HW30s.
Here's the original review: • Weihrauch HW30s Air Ri...
As for small game, this rifle is good for birds up to pigeon size out to about 30 yards. Beyond that, it's only good for plinking.
I found the vortek seal a little tight in the chamber, so paired it down by putting the piston in a cordless drill and holding some fine sand paper against it. Taking care to keep the same slight concave shape.
It was shooting Exact RS at 670fps an increase of around 50fps over the stock weihrauch kit. I still thought I could get a bit more as some people have managed with the vortek so I shaved a little more from the piston seal.
So the piston will not fall under it's own weight but can easily be pushed down with a little finger.
It's now up to 710fps with the same pellet.
Cheers for the reviews. It's a lovely little gun and I prefer shooting it to anything else.
I have two HW30s: .177 and .22, both with peep sights and both with older Vortek PG2 kits. My .22 got a slight increase in power, up to 8.5. I have not chronied the .177 yet. I am not a big advocate the Vortek kits, even though I installed two of them. It was more about tinkering than anything else. I also wanted to see how much smoother they would be. In both cases they were slightly smoother.
There's no excuse for mssing the bull with a scope on shooting a hw alter the scope for gods sake that's what the screws are for.
Nice rifle great accuracy best trigger Rekord super smooth shooting 7 to 8 ft/lbs at the muzzle , it will reach out to 55 yards but the envelope I believe can be extended further .
Hehe, it can "reach out" to 55 yards, but it is already starting with pretty low energy. It would have to be a calm day and one would really need to do some work to learn the trajectory. I consider this a 30 yard gun, max, because I still want it to have some zip when it hits that can or sparrow!
I've now watched both of your videos on this rifle, and from what you've said and some of the other TH-cam videos I've seen have helped me make up my mind to buy this on on Monday coming. Today is Saturday, so you'll see what I mean.
Your comments have turned the sale in Weihrauch's favour.
Thanks for giving me all the information I need.
I think you'll love it, as long as you don't expect too much from it. Squirrel pesting, for example, is pushing it. Better make it head shots only, and limit ranges to 20 or 25 yards. It is the perfect informal spring-piston target rifle, perfect plinker. Perfect for pest birds too.
Yes the Weihrauch spring is a soft spring I would stick with that plus the piston seal stick with the original but fettle it ( when fitting a new one fettle it meaning size it to the cylinder - just fit it to the piston then put some PVT plastic tap around it to hold it to the piston to prevent it moving when you use Wet & Dry paper on the seal-wall just give it a mild lick over until you are happy that it just enters the cylinder between tight and loose once done clean away the tap and excess power pieces of seal plastic, if you require a slight better power out put simple place a power-washer on the Spring-guide end or may be two test it out see which suits your requirement hope this helps merry Xmas everyone🎄👍
I'm waiting on the 10 year follow up.
Hmm, how long do I have left? I still have this gun and still love it. It's just not quite powerful enough for humane shots on squirrels. It's deadly on the invasive sparrows though!
Great gun, I love mine. Exactly as you said most of us catch 'magnumitis' when we first get in to airguns, then as you learn more you realise that more power and more velocity are not necessarily better. A high quality, smooth, accurate gun which has manageable cocking effort is more enjoyable than a lower quality, 'super magnum' air rifle which takes more effort to cock. I use my HW30S to shoot safely and comfortably indoors with the benefit of not needing hearing protection plus the ammunition is clean and inexpensive.
Hello Jeremy,
First let me thank you for both your videos on this fine rifle. On the strength of these I went and bought myself a gently used model with the stainless barrel and black synthetic stock. It came with a Diopter rear sight. It is the first pellet rifle I have ever owned, I have a healthy assortment of Shotguns, Rifles and Handguns in various calibres, as my Wife will attest to, but I've never owned a pellet rifle. Well better late than never. This HW30s I now own is a beaut. It is very accurate and more fun than a barrel of drunk monkeys on defleaing day. I have even set up an indoor range. Thanks again for your efforts.
Tom.
Thanks for taking the time to post this, Tom. I'm glad my videos have helped. I'm about due to make a follow-up video. By the way, don't limit yourself to an indoor range. This gun is also fun plinking outdoors, and even quietly taking down some small pest animals. It makes as much power as most pump-up airguns, but only takes the one cocking stroke.
I took your advice and it's a ton of fun at the range. Some guy's didn't realize it was a pellet gun. Bullseye accurate at 25 yds.
What scope do you have on it? Thanks!
Mine is a .22 as it came from the HW factory, shooting RWS Meisterkugeln 14gr wadcutters it is averaging 514fps (8.2ftlb).
Would you say this rifle is a good starter bell target rifle?
I don't know what 'bell target' means. Do you mean field target?
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No it's a short range sport in the uk
The hole in the target is just larger than the pellet.
The bell rings if you get it through and score points.
I own almost all HW springer models and the HW30 is way more than only a starter rifle for youth or a back yard target plinker. The weight and size makes it of coarse very suitable for beginners but the HW30 is as accurate as the other HW models i own and because it's lower power way more easy to shoot than a magnum springer. I shoot all day long less than one centimeter groups on 30 yards with JSB Express 7,87 in 45,2mm head size.
This little rifle is better build and more accurate than the most other brands available on the market. High power springers are always more difficult to shoot and it's the right shot placement on living quarry that does the job, not high power but enough power. Always know the maximum distance your air rifle is capable to shoot for a clean kill. Only mistakes on cans and paper targets are forgivable,..... Cheers!
I took your advice and installed a Vortek kit BUT I did not install the piston seal, only the spring. I too noticed that the Vortek seal was really hard compared to the stock seal. The factory spring was actually curved (bent?) so that must have been the gremlin that I was chasing. With the Vortek spring, my Beeman R7 shoots like a dream and I feel it worth the investment. Thank you for the suggestion to leave in the factory spring, I think that is good advice.
It's a great little gun. I think of it as a Daisy 880 that only needs one pump. ;)
Wad cutters are designed for lower power airguns to shoot paper targets on 15 meters max. All over 15 meters domed BC is the way to go for. The reason the HW30 likes the wadcutters is only because of it,s lower power. Cheers!
Wadcutter pellets are not as consistent as domed pellets at high velocities; the gun design is irrelevant I believe. I've read on forums that the Vortek kit did not increase the power for at least a few members' R7/HW30's. So the power rating for the Vortek R7/HW30 kit may be false advertising. I've also read that Ed Canoles' piston seal increases the R7's power to 8 ft lbs ME.
I've never heard of Ed Canoles; someone to look into. However, I think I'm just going to leave the HW30s alone. I got my TX200 back from tuning, and it is shooting at about 14 FPE, and even more accurately than the HW30s. And PCPs are more accurate for pests anyway, since they don't change with temperature and such. Thanks for your comment.
Which size for the HW 30?🙏
Weihrauch makes a nice silencer for it as seen on the Urban Pro.
there is nothing to silence R-7'S and HW 30s 's are mouse fart quiet any how ...
You can’t beat a Weihrauch for a Springer rifle in my opinion. I’ve had my hw95k in .22for about 5 years now and I’ve never messed with any internals at all, all I’ve done is give it a lube and a dab of grease on the main spring and it’s still putting out a respectable 11.8 ft lbs and considering that we are limited to 12 ft lb here in the Uk its not lost much or any at all and it’s had some use over the years too.
I’m seriously thinking about getting the hw 97 in nickel but in .177 when I’m next having a ride out to my preferred gun dealer, that’s the trouble when I live in the sticks and it’s over 100 miles round trip each time I go but it’s a lovely ride out when the tourists have gone!
Thanks for taking the time to type out a proper comment! HW97s are heavy. Do you have a lightweight rifle yet? The HW30s is highly recommended, even if it only has enough killing power for smallish birds.You'd find that it is more fun than any other air rifle for plinking and target shooting, and that it is totally un-demanding. Good for bringing women and kids into airgunning.
My great nephew is coming on in years now and when I think he’s ready he will be getting the hw30 to start him off and get him going with an old soldier to teach him everything that I know and hopefully he’ll have as much enjoyment as I have shooting over the years.
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Have you witnessed any galling in your HW30?
I've only sent around 200 pellets through mine in the week I've owned it, and I've noticed it.
I've shot Gamo alloy pellets out of my r7 and they shot great out of my r7, one ragged hole. As far as Vortek kits go, they are stiffer because they use thicker wire on their springs, which spits out the pellet a little faster with a harsher recoil. The higher the altitude the less power you get from the thinner air. Most company's rate their power at sea level.Great review btw.
Thanks for the kind words and the data point re. alloy pellets.
rhat would be great but there are no pictures to see and without pictures i cant copy because i cant see whatthey are doing
Great review!
Why should one get such a low energy gun in the first place?
It is very accurate. I have one that i bought from ARH about 35 years ago , tuned. with a Williams peep-sight. The world-famous REKORD trigger is a joy to use. This is a youth rifle. Too small for the average adult man, but WEIRAUCH makes larger, more powerful rifles, PCP 's too.
Miguel Valiente Thanks 👍
I disagree that it's too small for an average adult man. Smaller than most springers? Yes. Too small to shoot comfortably and accurately? No.
It has low cocking effort, so it is easy to shoot all day long. LOTS of experienced airgunners love this gun, after they get over their initial case of "Magnumitis." It's very accurate too. Also, it has enough power to take pest birds out to 30 yards and even squirrels out to 15 yards with a brain shot.
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What is that scope?
I don't remember, but it was a compact Burris. Great scope, that one.
How. Much grease was in it from box ?
It didn't seem like a lot; seemed just right. There was a light coating all over the spring.
Wait. It has a Rekord adjustable trigger, correct? In theory then, you can adjust the trigger pull to almost anything you want.
No, it can't be too light or something else doesn't work right. (I forgot what) Look in the manual online, it says what it is in the section on adjusting the trigger.
Bel video bravo le weihrauch restano le number 1 della categoria springer😊
here in brazil we put gasram on hw30s ... u should try it ...
Jeremy I did my first quail hunt with air rifle this year. Most shots were 45 plus yards and my off hand skills were not up to the task, oh well there is always next year. The old R9 was getting it done I just couldn’t hold well enough. Again maybe next year. Give me a shout out if you get out here during the next season.
is the scope airgun certified?
I'm not sure, but Burris has a worry-free warranty, and this gun doesn't have much recoil. It has not been a problem.
Did you put the original piston seal back on by chance?
Nope.
do you use open sights? cuz im trying to buy hw30s open sights if u want to sell to me i will buy it ...
I don't really like traditional open sights. An aperture sight, I could go for, and it would keep the gun light. But a Williams aperture sight costs as much as an entry-level scope, so I went with the scope. Since I'm not hauling it around the woods hunting, a few extra ounces doesn't matter much. I don't think I want to sell this one, but thanks for the offer anyway. As I said, it is one of my favorites.....
I own the HW30 , I love it
Interesting you mentioned about it being probably better to keep it stock. This little beautiful HW30s looks like a winner. Many have said that they love it as well.
3 months ago I ended up getting the HW97K in 1.77 cal and doubt I will change out anything as it is shooting impeccable groups at 30-50-75 yards!!! I haven't touched a thing on it except clean the barrel!!
I may get the HW35, or the HW30 as well...
I rather like the small side lever that opens up the barrel when cocking and loading, compared to the ball bearing that holds the action in place, seems the HW35 is aa lot smoother when opening and closing...
Nice video, thx! :-)
Getting one soon
You'll love it. Think of it as having the power of a 10-pump Daisy 880, but with one easy barrel-break.
Hey Jeremy D.I bought one of these as a kid for $85, if I recall correctly. This would have been in 1972-1974 time frame. My Dad had a higher velocity Weirach, shooting maybe 850 fps but memory fades with age...Long story short, for Christmas 2016, my Dad sent it to Prymid Air for a tune up, and they sent it to me. What a surprise gift!!! Brought back memories of Dad and I shooting Dragon Flys out of the air after dinner at dusk. I was about 12-14 and those were great times. Course, we only got them every 15-20 shots or so, but still...TWHACK, and he was down....My question is, how different are the HW30s today vs. early 1970's?Are they still German made? Also, do you have any particular scope recommendations?I see Hawke gets great reviews, but not sure my FPS warrants spending $250 for a scope like that. If I were to pay up for a nice scope, what kind of distance would this be showing half decent groups? 50 meters, tops?With the stock open sights, I am starting to get 2 inch groups at 122 ft., whatever that is in meters. Should have checked before asking, sorry...Thanks for any input!John
Firstly, thanks for sharing that story. Nothing beats a family heirloom. Secondly, thanks for the comment. I've had a few scopes on this. The trick is to balance enough power to extract maximum accuracy with being small and light enough that it doesn't ruin the lightweight feel of the gun. The Leapers/UTG 4-16x40 was too long and heavy. The Burris Timberline 3-12x32 had too much eye relief; it had to be mounted far forward, thus ruining the balance. Right now, I've got a UTG 3-9x32 on it. Optically, it is a junk scope; it's all fuzzy around the edges. But the center is sharp, and it has short eye relief, so it can be mounted all the way back. I just leave it at 9X and it's quite good! As a general guideline, you don't need more than 12X for this gun unless the reticle is very thick. I had a fixed UTG 4X on it. Not enough magnification, and a thick reticle. I had a fixed UTG 6X32 on it; same. Go for high quality, 9-12X magnification, thin reticle and light weight. A Hawke scope wouldn't be wasted on this gun, unless it's a big heavy one. Something in the Vantage family would probably be ideal. Maybe a 3-9x40AO. You DEFINITELY want adjustable objective, so you can shoot as close as 10m and out to a max of maybe 40 yards. (plinking only, at that range)
122' is just shy of 40 meters. Right about 40 yards. 2" at that range with a low powered springer with open sights is fantastic. You've got great eyes to be able to do that with open sights.
Speaking of which, a lot of folks feel this gun is best with Williams peep sights. They're an upgrade to stock ones, but still keep the gun super-light. As your eyes age, you'll want optics though, to help you out.
The newer ones have the Rekord trigger; I'm not sure they did in '72.
Yes, they're still German-made.
50m would REALLY be stretching things for this gun, except in 0 wind. I limit myself to 35 yards, and that's a stretch. 25-30 is probably more reasonable. I popped an invasive English Sparrow at about 25 yards with mine once, and it was very satisfying.
Thanks so much for your ideas! A friend has a Nikon that is very nice and bright, but I am aware the Hawke, if I can afford it, would be ideal. I have looked at the Vantage Line, but get lost when it comes to the numbers, so thanks for focusing on what to look for. I love this little gun, and yes it has the record trigger!
What is much more complex, is the Feinwerkbau 300s my Dad gave me last April for my birthday. THAT TRIGGER is so light, after 8 shots at my buddies house I have it to him. He had either the Nikon or a JOB on it and ALL 8 SHOTS LEFT BEFORE INTENDED. I was so frustrated because he gave it to me with no fear sights, and I finally shoot it, and can not control the hair trigger. :(
Because that gun is a side lever cocking mechanism, should I look for a single, high rail to run into the dovetails? Also, while watching my buddy shoot it, I realized the thing has some sort of fear barrel movement when shot, presumably a type of minor recoil control!
Have you seen that on other air rifles?
Thanks in advance!
John
The FWB300 is recoilless; the action recoils in the stock, but none of it is transferred to the shooter. However, ALL of the recoil is trasnferred to the scope. But it is not much recoil, as it is a low power airgun. It is the creme de la creme of spring-pistol 10m target rifles.
Nikon optics are better than Hawke's, until you get into the very high-end Hawke. Nikon has made camera lenses and microscopes for 70+ years, and that is MUCH more demanding, optically, than riflescopes. They can be a little sloppy with riflescopes and still easily decimate Hawke.
I wouldn't worry about an HW30s or FWB300 damaging a Nikon scope. It just is not going to happen.
I shoot in the basement so I use alloy pellets, ranging from 5.6 to 6.46 in weight. Do you know if the HW30 likes the lighter alloy pellets?
I don't, and I've been meaning to try. I have some Baracuda Greens to try. I shoot it in my basement too. I just slowly collect the lead and I'll bring it to a scrapper when I have a jar full of it.
thanks for the update, I am thinking about this rifle real hard. from all the videos and reviews I've read, they all echo the same thing. just want to make sure am not going get comparable groupings to my Umarex Surge. that gun at an advertised 490fps gives me dime groups at 25 yards(JSB Straton and Gamo hunter pellets). and at 10yards, am looking at a single hole not much bigger than the pellet(JSB Exact and H+N match pistol pellets) it would be a real bitch if a gun like the HW30 couldn't better the Surge at 25yards. and that is my hang up really. hating to spend money on better gun, that is going to perform no better than a way lesser gun. but to be fair, the Surge had some minor work done to it and a slightly better scope than it came with. but good to know that the HW30 is well made from the factory, and any mods or tinkering to the action must be taken into serious consideration. I don't have a fire arm license, so the one I will get is limited to an advertised 495fps. should be fine for its intended use as a target rifle and plinker. I only have 26+ yards muzzle to target anyways.
thanks for edging me that much closer to the purchase.
I'm really surprised to read that your Surge can manage dime sized groups @ 25 yards. I don't think the full power ones shoot that tightly. (900-1000 fps with 7 gr. lead) The HW30s will also do that, once it is broken in, and with a good shooter and scope, but probably not any better. It IS a much more elegant gun though. Wood feels nice in the hand, and the trigger's much better too. (at least compared to stock)
Are you Canadian?
Jeremy D
that I am.
maybe I got lucky with this gun.
for awhile the accuracy was all over the place. but after i started to seat the pellets, every thing changed. I got a video on my channel taking out some nails at 10 yards. 5 nails, 6 shot. my daughter at times use my account, so if you visit, you may see some out of place things lol
That's a nice gun going to get one soon.
I do own two very high end PCP. One is Air Arms S500 and the other is Kalibr cricket bullpup both are extremely accurate. I just purchased a Gamo whisper Mack 1 and I am not happy with the accuracy . I know its not going to shoot like my PCP'S but I don't get a good group not even in 30 yards. Should I get a beeman R7 or R9 ? Thanks.
If you want nice groups at 30 yards, either an R9, HW95, HW97 or Air Arms TX200 or Pro Sport. Even then, they're not as accurate as a nice PCP.
which caliber should I get for R9 if my choices are .177 and .20 ? which one is more accurate ? This gun mostly will be used for target shooting up to 85 yards. Thanks.
nc airguner For up to 85 yards, definitely go with .20. It'll buck the wind better. (Though you'll be much more limited in pellet choices) If limited to 55 yards, .177 is the better choice.
Did you buy the gun yet? I'm re-reading this now, and I think the R7/HW30s is still a required purchase for anything inside 40 yards. It makes you realize you've been taking things too seriously, all along. Consider it like a tuned Daisy 880 that only needs one "pump" to achieve full velocity.
why dont you or one of these other guys that have the galling problem on the hw30s and the r7 show how to fix it instead of just talking about it there isnt one video on you tube with that info being shown
I don't think I have a galling problem, so I couldn't really comment on it with any expertise. On the other hand, I can refer you over to "the yellow airgun forum" (google it) and if you search there, you'll find some very helpful info, complete with pix.
It seems like Weihrauch has had the problem licked by the time they made mine.
My Magnumitis metastasized, and now, I cannot shoot any airgun under 23 fpe.