Once again, a great formula for a history documentary: beautiful landscapes, actual locations, interesting narrative. None of these digitally created images, but rather realia. Real artefacts, swords, anecdotes. Love it.
I can only imagine what this type of society would look like if it survived into the modern world. Would they have evolved in weapons? If so how differant would our world look like.
Ive read a few books on the history of Greece, including Sparta...this doc series is spot on keeping with the common perceptions of historians. Nicely done.
It's not. They say homosexuality was compulsory in Sparta. You would have to be braindead to believe this. Just look at modern societies and the rarity of homosexuality in global cultures. According to Xenophon "[Lycurgus] … laid down that in Sparta lovers should refrain from molesting boys, just as much as parents avoid having intercourse with their children or brothers with their sisters." - The BBC is legitimately one of the least credible sources in media along with the History Channel in the U.S.
@@tylerjeb7888 unfortunately modern narratives are often inserted into history and obscure or uncommon things are often magnified to fit the contemporary narrative. Not only that but her other documentary on Spartan she claimed they had no claim to art and yet Spartan was famed for its art and often traded their art as a luxury to surrounding nations.
Greek history is night and day from Ancient Kemet (Egypt) history. All Greeks every did is glorify war and homosexuality. Kemet glorified art and story telling.
@@fireboltaz She is. And she's not a historian, she's a total crackpot. Homosexuality was compulsory in Sparta? Is this a joke? This is low even for BBC. You could barely call this historical fiction, these people are just making it up as they go along.
@@tylerjeb7888 does anyone know what ever happened to her? I’d like to send her a positive note that her knowledge changed my appreciation for the Spartan community
Some of the information might be a bit outdated now (as any doc from 2003 would be) like the state progammed infanticide bit. Thankfully we have a lot of TH-cam channels covering these topics nowadays we can watch
@@tylerjeb7888 let's see. They lived in barracks & their wives? They were expected to sneak out and have visits, to reproduce only, conjugal visits by any other name. So, what do you think really went on knowing drives...
@@joelkurowski9276 The common noun thespian meaning "actor" comes from the legendary first actor named Thespis, and not the city. Both Thespis and Thespiae, however, are derived from the noun θέσπις (théspis, "divine inspiration").
So did many other Greeks however those sacrifices didn't even come close to the ones who knew from the gate they were going to receive a beautiful death.
Whoever was responsible for writing the script our Bettany narrates I want to commend. Excellent command of the English language with juicy words and sentence structures sprinkled in to make the story enjoyable and a pleasure to listen to and watch. #aHatTip
" The Spartans disliked walls because walls defined cities, and cities, if you weren't careful encouraged other things like Democracy And if theres one thing that Sparta distrusted more than walls it was Democracy... " What an absolute true and genius mentality.
@Alison Chains OH it goes well beyond that, the loss of self-reliance is a big one, along with the idea of "Living Comfortably" behind ones walls; you lose your "edge or sharpness". Lots of little things, that when added up, destroy us as "people"...
If you read Xenophon, Aristotle and Plutarch, you'll see the Spartans neither hated, nor feared democracy. A lot of their own public leaders and servants were also elected by vote (except for their kings, of course).The main difference was that Sparta had a set of ancient laws and traditions that were not up for debate and change, unlike Athens. No amount of votes could change them, just like you can't cahnge a Constitution today just by popular vote. In practice Sparta was something very similar to what we could call today "a constitutional dual monarchy".
Really enjoyed the series found out further details on what i knew and found out a bunch of stuff i did not 10/10 still so much to discover on The Spartans
What are u talking u idiot Spartans are myth there were weak compared to Athens idk why america see spartan as some sub human gods. When in reality they wanted to leave thermoply everyone except the phoenicians the athenians and leonidas. That's it
Except that there was an actual law in Sparta prohibiting men from having mustaches, and every spartan with a beard in AC Odyssey has a mustache. That's a pretty glaring inaccuracy right off the bat. :D
An overwhelming coverage and wealth of Greek History, with a touch of Spicy commentary to tie everything together. This could also be described as an accent sexual Educational Documentary.
A history mark wich everyone must know about, that's Sparta was not only a war state, but its had art and culture, song, music, pohemes, etc. everynthing well explained by the beautifull and comptent historian lady.
'Great documentary by Bettany Hughes, an award winning historian, author and a scholar from Oxford University that specialises in ancient history' Comment section: ACKHTYUALLY I thInK YoU'lL FiNd
Bettany, apparently obsessed with the time of Spartan very likely harbors a wish that she was living at that time and could enjoy the advances of Spartan men.
Gotta love Bethany Hughes. Her and Mary beard are two of the best documentary women I have watched. Very knowledgeable, would love to sit in on some of there teachings
Actually they weren't really a "toxic masculine society" considering the majority of infants being tossed to the side of cliffs were mainly boys. 🤔 A truly "toxic masculine society" would praise only the boys regardless of their imperfections. I imagine Spartan men as being men in their most perfection without the modern day fear of having such proud, strong and competent population of women by their side.
Mr Kebab LOL No I've been living on the street 14th Street Union Square New York City to be exact where are you in your home watching TH-cam and you're pretty apartment or house with your mom LMFAO ha ha
Mr Kebab everybody's born stupid is up to us to educate ourselves, if you're calling me stupid you're not very nice, exercise your intelligence by not calling people stupid just because they don't understand or know something if you're not a teenager you sure write like one. are we going to go back and forth with insults like mama jokes because if we are I'm going to stop writing I'm too old for this you have a good night
Only one guy looked at her.. and for a split second.. I'm actually surprised more people didn't stare considering she was being filmed and talking about Spartans down the street. If this was filmed in North America they would have to take 15 redo shots of it due to camera bombers and immature people.
If you systematically starve a bunch of Spartans and absolutely refuse to fight them, I think it's sort of you that's at fault if you give them an alternative to starving to death and they take it. They wanted to die fighting and that was refused, so they had only two options: Die slowly, or surrender. Honor (dying in battle) wasn't on the table so it didn't really matter which they did.
Yes!! I don't think they just surrendered out of cowardice; they've trained and were taught their whole lives to die in battle. Just as you pointed out, since their honorable deaths were denied to them, living and possibly having the chance to fight once again was the better solution in their eyes.
It wasn't athenians who won the victory on the island but the spartans who lost it. Had they made the attempt early on to escape then they may have been successful in the battle. Maybe they wouldn't have but they would've achieved the glorious death as is attainable when morale is high. Without good morale, such as 72 days in collaboration with dehydration and starvation the glorious death is unattainable within the mind.
With a basically brainwashed obsession with dying for the good of the state, I imagine a total suicide mission fighting against impossible odds was probably actually a boost to morale for Spartans
I do hate the BBC fixation on the presenter rather than the subject, the carefully styled poses before the presenter begins speaking, the ubiquitous walk, while delivering some gem of wisdom, diagonally across the screen. They're still doing it.
Back when there was actually HISTORY shows!! LOVE it! So fascinating!! Always crazy to see the past. Always wonder how people will react when they find the remains of us 5000 years from now!? Also, Laaaaaady in Red!! 😍😍💖
Aye, before Alexander's dad, King Phillip of Macedon, had conquered Greece. Phillip observed some of the later battles between Athens and Sparta (and their allies), and devised his own version of the Phalanx, called the Macedonian Phalanx, which used conscripts (instead of citizens) with lighter armor and a longer spear (the Sarissa). Phillip would use this tactic, as well as taking advantage of a Greece weakened by several decades of war, to conquer Greece. Alexander would go on to use the same formation to defeat Persia.
in the first part of this documentary the narrator said somewhere the year 480 BC and Alexander was born mid 300 something BC, so this was a couple of centuries before Alexander, because the BC dates goes opposite and and from the first 1century AD, we count forward.
It's remarkable that women had more freedom in the authoritarian, militarist state of Sparta than in the democratic state of Athens. (Of course, I'm talking "free" citizens and not the thousands of slaves who lived in both city states).
@LagiNaLangAko23 Ironically, if the persians won the war women and slaves would be no worse off, and might be better off. Free male citizens might be a little worse off. Not sure. Well, yeah you'd be worse off as a helot in Sparta than as a slave in Athens....unless maybe (not sure) you were a slave in the Laurian silver mines of Athens.
@@DBEdwards "Free" women in Sparta could own property and were not sequestered like "free" women in Athens. If they weren't slaves, women were much freer in militarist Sparta than in democratic Athens. Ironic, isnt it?
@@SagesseNoir Sparta endorsed a homosexual lifestyle. Women were valued for their procreation, not their emotional or intellectual values. AND YOU CALL THAT FREEDOM? BAH!
All they ever mention are the 300 Spartans who fought to the death to delay the persians. While this was indeed noble, they were hardly alone. More than 4,500 other Greeks stood and died as well. The whole point was just to buy time for Greece to mobilize, not to fight some legendary battle. And despite what Hollywood would like us to believe, leonidas wasnt even their only king. Sparta had 2 kings. So much for poor ol Cersei rallying the Spartans to revenge. More like the other king would have been like "scuuuuuuuse me, I think I'll take command of MY army now. But thanks for the pep talk!"
The Spartan contingent at Thermopylae wasn't formed by the 300 alone, they had about 1000k Perioeci hoplites and the helots. The later stayed with the 300 and fought to death. Therefore Spartan contingent was the largest and the rest was formed by Peloponnesian allies of Sparta and some Boeotian troops mainly Thespians and Phocians. What you are referring to as the other king of Sparta took command of the army at Platea, Wrong on all counts, It was Pausanias nephew of Leonidas and regent for his son, that commanded the Greek army. Sparta had two kings but who decided which King led the army it was decided by the Ephors.
Everyone in the comments are like "Spartans were awesome" or "Spartans were ruthless and cruel" and I'm here like "Man, Spartans must be smoking a lot of crack."
The Spartans went so far as tearing down and burning all the olive trees and vines in the Athenian plantations, actually a war crime since it took literally decades for new olive trees and grapevines to grow until sizeable enough to yield decent crops. By doing this they denied a whole nation of its livelihood and income for generations to come. Who then were the true barbarians in the Peloponnesian Wars ?
There are no rules and laws in war. The idea of such ideals are truly modern and their entire foundation is structured around the ideal that both sides agree to such formalities and that's all they are. Formalities.
Thats hittin below the Belt then. A Bold move! thats gonna offend Protective/Nature Deitys ...Regular Crops they coulda got away with...BUT All the OLIVES! Blasphemy!! . . .Mostlikely brought bad luck for Them as well.
According to N.Machiavelli, the spartan with Lycurgus (the founder ) were the first to have a kind of System with 3 powers that provided a balanced order .About 1.000 years before The actual Legislative ,Executive and Judiciary. (the latter is actually a kind of joke in our european system ).
First class documentary, exceptional lecture, could somebody explain minute 15:26, "grinding corn". I thought corn was a plant from the americas unknown to Europeans at that time. Maybe I am wrong.
Self preservation usually overcomes glory or bravery. The Athenians were brilliant. They gave the Spartans *TIME to think about their miserable deaths.* Not the adrenaline rush of hand to hand combat.
If you think Spartans feared death and that's why they surrendered, you're a fool. The Spartans want nothing more than to battle for glory. Dying in battle brings glory. Refusing their want for battle and refusing to kill them in battle gave only two options. Die without glory, or surrender. To Spartans, surrendering didn't diminish one's honor. They were given the chance to strike back. Of course they surrendered
I can’t believe that this comment is a year old, 47 likes and not a SINGLE disagreeing position... You people are far MORE degenerate than even the worst of these people.
Many mistakes, worst one: Athens citizens rights came with capability to serve in war. For long time citizens that for needed expensive armor and equipment for beeing a hoplites. With athens new strategy of a navy, citizens only needed a pillow to serve on the woodbanks of the new fleet and so became capable to serve in war. So in law, nothing changed, only in practise. And society changed before the victory of salemis, not after it. I dont think the author of this doku was wrong by mistake but by intention.
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Fun fact. In March 12 1996 the Mayor of Athens and Sparta signed a peace treaty 2,500 years after the war ended.
@Jed Clampett I hope so 😁
@Jed Clampett Nope there gonna go right back to killing each other unless islam invades
@@blankblank5409 hey thanks Caesar
ΟΧΙ 12-3-1996 ΑΛΛΑ 10-3-1996...
Το κείμενο της συνθήκης αναφέρει:
«Σήμερα, 10 Μαρτίου 1996, στὴν πρωτεύουσα τῆς Λακεδαίμονος, ὁ δήμαρχος Ἀθηναίων καὶ ὁ δήμαρχος Σπαρτιατῶν ἐκφράζουν τὴ βαθύτατη θλίψη τους γιὰ τὴν πολυαίμακτη σύρραξη τῶν δύο κορυφαίων πόλεων τῆς ἀρχαίας Ἑλλάδος καὶ διακηρύττουν τὴν λήξη μὲ ὅρους ἰσοτιμίας ἀναδρομικὰ τοῦ καταστροφικοῦ ἐκείνου πολέμου «Ἀθηναίων καὶ Πελοποννησίων» καὶ τὴν ἐμπέδωση ἀρρήκτων μεταξὺ τῶν δύο πόλεων δεσμῶν φιλίας καὶ συνεργασίας, μὲ ἠθικὸ ἔρεισμα καὶ τὴν ἀρχαία ἱστορικὴ μεγαλουργία τους.
Ὁ Δήμαρχος Σπαρτιατῶν
Δημοσθένης Ματάλας
Ὁ Δήμαρχος Ἀθηναίων
Δημήτρης Ἀβραμόπουλος»
The two mayors were more geeks than Greeks!
Once again, a great formula for a history documentary: beautiful landscapes, actual locations, interesting narrative. None of these digitally created images, but rather realia. Real artefacts, swords, anecdotes. Love it.
I can only imagine what this type of society would look like if it survived into the modern world. Would they have evolved in weapons? If so how differant would our world look like.
@Rios Salvajes yes! my thoughts exactly.
Typical female thinking.
Sparta: Men are disposable. Glad that's changing now. Wake up men marriage does not benefit you at all.
And beautifull Lady narrator .
In albanian language word (spata ) sword, spata =sparta
No matter how many times I've watched these, I can keep coming back and watch Bettany talk about ancient Greece all day long...
I am the same!
Ive read a few books on the history of Greece, including Sparta...this doc series is spot on keeping with the common perceptions of historians. Nicely done.
Kathryn Crook from 2002ish. And its a BBC general broadcast documentary not a lecture.
well we're glad it has you're expert approval.
It's not. They say homosexuality was compulsory in Sparta. You would have to be braindead to believe this. Just look at modern societies and the rarity of homosexuality in global cultures. According to Xenophon "[Lycurgus] … laid down that in Sparta lovers should refrain from molesting boys, just as much as parents avoid having intercourse with their children or brothers with their sisters." - The BBC is legitimately one of the least credible sources in media along with the History Channel in the U.S.
@@tylerjeb7888 unfortunately modern narratives are often inserted into history and obscure or uncommon things are often magnified to fit the contemporary narrative. Not only that but her other documentary on Spartan she claimed they had no claim to art and yet Spartan was famed for its art and often traded their art as a luxury to surrounding nations.
@@sh-hg4eg yeah it's incredible how much of it is complete fiction and how they sell it as legitimate history.
"My sword is too short"
"Take a step forward and it would be long enough"
xD
"It will be the sizes of a lion, as I bore it down on my enemy "
"Dig it out for yourselves!"
Words of wisdom.
Greek history is night and day from Ancient Kemet (Egypt) history. All Greeks every did is glorify war and homosexuality. Kemet glorified art and story telling.
I like to think that was the spartan mother’s moderate equivalent of “maybe if you weren’t on that damn phone so much”
Anything with Bettany Hughes is a masterpiece!
Agreed, she and Mary Beard are excellent presenters.
Have hjhhhhhhe
She’s really gained weight lately though.
@@GB-zc3zb pl
Bettany. Is the Masterpiece
I could watch these kinds of docs all day. Love classical history.
When she wears that red dress and describes the sexual conduct of Spartans, I can't help believing she's not aroused by what she's saying.
@@fireboltaz She is. And she's not a historian, she's a total crackpot. Homosexuality was compulsory in Sparta? Is this a joke? This is low even for BBC. You could barely call this historical fiction, these people are just making it up as they go along.
@@tylerjeb7888 does anyone know what ever happened to her? I’d like to send her a positive note that her knowledge changed my appreciation for the Spartan community
Some of the information might be a bit outdated now (as any doc from 2003 would be) like the state progammed infanticide bit. Thankfully we have a lot of TH-cam channels covering these topics nowadays we can watch
@@tylerjeb7888 let's see. They lived in barracks & their wives? They were expected to sneak out and have visits, to reproduce only, conjugal visits by any other name. So, what do you think really went on knowing drives...
As usual, a real treat to watch this Beautiful& Intelligent Scholar....my favourite Lady for learning ancient history....Bless you Bettany Hughes...
She was/ is gorgeous!
Please don't forget the Thespians. They didn't have to stay, but did and died like the Spartans.
@edwardschlosser1 this tbh, the Thespians were such drama queens
@@joelkurowski9276 The common noun thespian meaning "actor" comes from the legendary first actor named Thespis, and not the city. Both Thespis and Thespiae, however, are derived from the noun θέσπις (théspis, "divine inspiration").
So did many other Greeks however those sacrifices didn't even come close to the ones who knew from the gate they were going to receive a beautiful death.
@@fondren001 or muse if you will God how I hate people who know something I do not.
edwardschlosser1 - lmaoooo
Whoever was responsible for writing the script our Bettany narrates I want to commend. Excellent command of the English language with juicy words and sentence structures sprinkled in to make the story enjoyable and a pleasure to listen to and watch. #aHatTip
what makes you think that Bethany, a classics scholar, couldn't write it?
Yikes
are you saying that kratos had his cheeks busted wide open?
Yup
To learn humility ones cheeks need be parted - Socrates
Yup he had his cheeks busted.
@@Yrkr785 😂😂😂😂🤌🏾
@@Yrkr785 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"The mother hitched up her skirt, and said to her son 'are you going to crawl back to where you came from' "
Jesus christ sparta was full of savages
Jeez... he never showed his face in public again
If that was my mom I would’ve slapped her 😂
@@peyotefinder69 yeah I don't think so
@@berilsevvalbekret772 another woman telling a man what he should or shouldn’t do, times never change 😂
@@peyotefinder69 dude she would slap you with the ppwer of 1000 pimps. You wouldn't.
Those Spartans... They were an intense people, to say the least.
I’ve always loved Ancient Greek history.
A very well made and extremely interesting documentary series. Thank You.
Excellent! A wonderful piece of history, a wonderful part of the world presented by a fabulous historian. What's not to love! ❤️
I'mma say it, the Timeline Spartan trillogy reenactments R the best reenactments I've seen so far!
" The Spartans disliked walls because walls
defined cities, and cities, if you weren't careful
encouraged other things like Democracy
And if theres one thing that Sparta distrusted more than walls
it was Democracy... "
What an absolute true and genius mentality.
@Alison Chains OH it goes well beyond that, the loss of self-reliance is a big one, along with the idea of "Living Comfortably" behind ones walls; you lose your "edge or sharpness".
Lots of little things, that when added up, destroy us as "people"...
dingdingdingdingding!~ WE FOUND A COMMIE! xD
If you read Xenophon, Aristotle and Plutarch, you'll see the Spartans neither hated, nor feared democracy. A lot of their own public leaders and servants were also elected by vote (except for their kings, of course).The main difference was that Sparta had a set of ancient laws and traditions that were not up for debate and change, unlike Athens. No amount of votes could change them, just like you can't cahnge a Constitution today just by popular vote. In practice Sparta was something very similar to what we could call today "a constitutional dual monarchy".
@@fondren001 are communists the only people who dont like democracy? hmmm.
@@benjibenj7406 That is a myth about communism. You could say that capitalists do not like democracy.
Totally incredible documentary film...very interesting to...Thank you so much for your videos too...
The Spartan men really did believe in bros before hos!
And institutionalized pedophilia ... 😳
@@ydelysuarez2548 pederasty, not pedophilia.
@@jghillas tomato tomato
@@jghillas explain the difference?
@@YoungstersHustle you need to read more.
Really enjoyed the series found out further details on what i knew and found out a bunch of stuff i did not 10/10 still so much to discover on The Spartans
Anyone else here addicted to playing AC odyssey the historical accuracy is incredible
Professors use it as a teaching tool in their grad courses. It’s amazing.
@@tomaslekis3262 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaàaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaààààaaàaàààààààà
I've been wanting to buy a PS4 just so I can explore AC Odyssey
What are u talking u idiot Spartans are myth there were weak compared to Athens idk why america see spartan as some sub human gods. When in reality they wanted to leave thermoply everyone except the phoenicians the athenians and leonidas. That's it
Except that there was an actual law in Sparta prohibiting men from having mustaches, and every spartan with a beard in AC Odyssey has a mustache. That's a pretty glaring inaccuracy right off the bat. :D
Bettany Hughes: Her beauty is legendary...
Oh please. What she needs to do is just narrate and stop showing herself constantly. It's a documentary not the Bettany Huges hour
@wild Times that's yr mom, pony !!!
@wild Times I have no feelings.
Yr mom is the village mare.
@wild Times no.im not related to yr mom.
@wild Times Well regardless horses are in like the top ten hottest animals, just ask John Oliver. So your point is moot.
Great documentary, interesting content, and a beautiful historian narrating
What you trying to say
An overwhelming coverage and wealth of Greek History, with a touch of Spicy commentary to tie everything together. This could also be described as an accent sexual Educational Documentary.
Love watching documentaries like this
A history mark wich everyone must know about, that's Sparta was not only a war state, but its had art and culture, song, music, pohemes, etc. everynthing well explained by the beautifull and comptent historian lady.
'Great documentary by Bettany Hughes, an award winning historian, author and a scholar from Oxford University that specialises in ancient history'
Comment section: ACKHTYUALLY I thInK YoU'lL FiNd
@tom blake yes indeed she is
Bettany, apparently obsessed with the time of Spartan very likely harbors a wish that she was living at that time and could enjoy the advances of Spartan men.
John Z, apparently obsessed with reducing a female historian to a fan girl, wished he was respected as much as she is.
@Kevin Burrow Take some time off your red pill magical mystery tour to look up "straw man argument."
@Kevin Burrow Consider sobriety.
Gotta love Bethany Hughes. Her and Mary beard are two of the best documentary women I have watched. Very knowledgeable, would love to sit in on some of there teachings
Great narration, accurate and with great nuggets of information!!!
Athens was intellectual strength and Sparta was physical strength. The best combination!
And yet, the Spartans were no meatheads and the Athenians no creampuffs - in both cases, very far from it.
if only they could have united and have become one society. but the differences were too great
Why can't they all just get along.
How I love this type of history.
When another man takes another man's goods it's the cutting out of the root.
multiculturalism doesn't work.
most likely the best 45 minutes ever spent on TH-cam
Always a tremendous pleasure to have a documentary narated by the very talented Bettany.
The content is superbe, mes félicitations.
I like how the most "toxicly masculine society" ever had the most proud, strong, and competent population of woman of that era.
@tommy cane115 Are you living under a rock? SJW far leftists said that.
Actually they weren't really a "toxic masculine society" considering the majority of infants being tossed to the side of cliffs were mainly boys. 🤔 A truly "toxic masculine society" would praise only the boys regardless of their imperfections. I imagine Spartan men as being men in their most perfection without the modern day fear of having such proud, strong and competent population of women by their side.
Sparta was better than athens you cant change my mind
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Sparta was a family oriented military society while athens was subject to the chaos of demagoguery
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Athens treated women badly the
senate had near absolute power
I give this doco three thumbs up.
I heard about the Spartans, don't know too much about the history, I know a little now, thank you for posting this video.
Mr Kebab LOL No I've been living on the street 14th Street Union Square New York City to be exact where are you in your home watching TH-cam and you're pretty apartment or house with your mom LMFAO ha ha
Mr Kebab everybody's born stupid is up to us to educate ourselves, if you're calling me stupid you're not very nice, exercise your intelligence by not calling people stupid just because they don't understand or know something if you're not a teenager you sure write like one. are we going to go back and forth with insults like mama jokes because if we are I'm going to stop writing I'm too old for this you have a good night
I understand they are a cracking University football team in Southern California now.
15:52 the people staring at her tho! XD
Only one guy looked at her.. and for a split second.. I'm actually surprised more people didn't stare considering she was being filmed and talking about Spartans down the street. If this was filmed in North America they would have to take 15 redo shots of it due to camera bombers and immature people.
Bettany Hughes in a red dress. Priceless.
Myself I prefer a young Jeremy Brett wearing just a towel to Bettany Hughes bursting out of her T shirt
Lately she's hit the wall. Great thing she doesn't rely on beauty
Oh my goodness, this is such a well made documentary!
If you systematically starve a bunch of Spartans and absolutely refuse to fight them, I think it's sort of you that's at fault if you give them an alternative to starving to death and they take it. They wanted to die fighting and that was refused, so they had only two options: Die slowly, or surrender. Honor (dying in battle) wasn't on the table so it didn't really matter which they did.
Yes!! I don't think they just surrendered out of cowardice; they've trained and were taught their whole lives to die in battle. Just as you pointed out, since their honorable deaths were denied to them, living and possibly having the chance to fight once again was the better solution in their eyes.
Though I wonder what their thoughts on suicide before surrendering were, if indeed they couldn’t face their enemy close up.
That's the last time I skim the documentary before showing it in class.
It wasn't athenians who won the victory on the island but the spartans who lost it. Had they made the attempt early on to escape then they may have been successful in the battle. Maybe they wouldn't have but they would've achieved the glorious death as is attainable when morale is high. Without good morale, such as 72 days in collaboration with dehydration and starvation the glorious death is unattainable within the mind.
With a basically brainwashed obsession with dying for the good of the state, I imagine a total suicide mission fighting against impossible odds was probably actually a boost to morale for Spartans
Yes. Because. I cant fight my best. And. I die: wondering --- "might i have won? " Gregg Oreo long beach CA
Best voice and tone to fall asleep with
Anyone watching this after playing assassin's creed odyssey
Chris White me bro lol
AC Odyssey made it easier for me to understand this documentary well. Great game !
literally why im here
No I've just finished Origins and started Black Flag...should I be playing Odyssey?
AC Odyssey is amazing!!!
I do hate the BBC fixation on the presenter rather than the subject, the carefully styled poses before the presenter begins speaking, the ubiquitous walk, while delivering some gem of wisdom, diagonally across the screen. They're still doing it.
Americans do this too. But we drown out the topic with loud music and pointless dramatic scenes in our documentaries.
@@-.Germanicus.- Spitting the Gospel over here, lmfao.
Bettany Hughes is a masterpiece.
Back when there was actually HISTORY shows!! LOVE it! So fascinating!! Always crazy to see the past. Always wonder how people will react when they find the remains of us 5000 years from now!? Also, Laaaaaady in Red!! 😍😍💖
People in 5000 yrs? No way.
I'd be thrown out as a baby in Sparta lol
@@BryWMac Id come to protect you!
@@wadeinn463 who knows......
i already knew what they're going to talk about before even clicking the thumbnail
who else?
BETTANY HUGHES IS SO GORGEOUS AND SO SMART !
unzips pants....
W. Churchill said that if you thought that democracy was a good idea, try talking to an average voter for five minutes.
Churchill was an idiot basically. In any case, the original democracy wasnt as democracy is today.
That's why the U.S. is a republic.
@@hakapeszimaki8369 ..!, ur opioniob
@@hakapeszimaki8369 The western world didn't choose Democracy, they chose "the Republic."
Whats the "right" way to do it then?
4:40 "but in reality it was men with money who had the say" ... hm we didn´t changed that much since then
Good
I am a huge fan of the different poses Hughes takes in the shots
This documentary has left me hanging, is there a part 2?
This IS part two of three.
this is before Alexander right?
Archon Katiara Blackdawn BC dates run to Zero. Alexander was after. Sparta and Athens had exhausted themselves. Allowing their take over by Alexander
"This was before, yes."
Aye, before Alexander's dad, King Phillip of Macedon, had conquered Greece. Phillip observed some of the later battles between Athens and Sparta (and their allies), and devised his own version of the Phalanx, called the Macedonian Phalanx, which used conscripts (instead of citizens) with lighter armor and a longer spear (the Sarissa). Phillip would use this tactic, as well as taking advantage of a Greece weakened by several decades of war, to conquer Greece. Alexander would go on to use the same formation to defeat Persia.
in the first part of this documentary the narrator said somewhere the year 480 BC and Alexander was born mid 300 something BC, so this was a couple of centuries before Alexander, because the BC dates goes opposite and and from the first 1century AD, we count forward.
Yes before Alexander Great and if I'm correct before troy war as well
I'm glad I didn't live in Greek ancient times. Very cruel life.
I don't think I could either
All the nudity.
@@kellyjordan8507 youd of had a mindset like theirs!
this ended as if there was a part two, but i can't see one. It was an excellent documentary btw
Very recommendable!
Another amazing video from Timeline! I actually recently uploaded my own summary video of the Athens vs Sparta conflict causes!
It's remarkable that women had more freedom in the authoritarian, militarist state of Sparta than in the democratic state of Athens. (Of course, I'm talking "free" citizens and not the thousands of slaves who lived in both city states).
That is to say if you consider the gross neglect and disregard for women their "freedom."
@@DBEdwards he's comparing them to Athens where they couldn't even leave their home.
@LagiNaLangAko23 Ironically, if the persians won the war women and slaves would be no worse off, and might be better off. Free male citizens might be a little worse off. Not sure. Well, yeah you'd be worse off as a helot in Sparta than as a slave in Athens....unless maybe (not sure) you were a slave in the Laurian silver mines of Athens.
@@DBEdwards "Free" women in Sparta could own property and were not sequestered like "free" women in Athens. If they weren't slaves, women were much freer in militarist Sparta than in democratic Athens. Ironic, isnt it?
@@SagesseNoir Sparta endorsed a homosexual lifestyle. Women were valued for their procreation, not their emotional or intellectual values. AND YOU CALL THAT FREEDOM? BAH!
This woman is splendid!
All they ever mention are the 300 Spartans who fought to the death to delay the persians. While this was indeed noble, they were hardly alone. More than 4,500 other Greeks stood and died as well. The whole point was just to buy time for Greece to mobilize, not to fight some legendary battle. And despite what Hollywood would like us to believe, leonidas wasnt even their only king. Sparta had 2 kings. So much for poor ol Cersei rallying the Spartans to revenge. More like the other king would have been like "scuuuuuuuse me, I think I'll take command of MY army now. But thanks for the pep talk!"
Looks like you didn't watch it past the recap of last episode.
The Spartan contingent at Thermopylae wasn't formed by the 300 alone, they had about 1000k Perioeci hoplites and the helots. The later stayed with the 300 and fought to death. Therefore Spartan contingent was the largest and the rest was formed by Peloponnesian allies of Sparta and some Boeotian troops mainly Thespians and Phocians.
What you are referring to as the other king of Sparta took command of the army at Platea, Wrong on all counts, It was Pausanias nephew of Leonidas and regent for his son, that commanded the Greek army. Sparta had two kings but who decided which King led the army it was decided by the Ephors.
Nowadays, I find these facts ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS.
As a soldier I admire Sparta, though Sparta sounds more dystopia than Utopia.
Now at the coronavirus lock down a dystopia that looks more possible than ever 🤔
@@HChinarroRaat Truth
THIS WOMAN can SCUBA, gallop a horse, dive, swim, drive a powerboat, hike, jump and who knows what else?????
That's ANY WOMAN given the same opportunities??????
RM6330 that’s any woman if they want to learn it.
32:00 Spartan Mother hitched up her skirt & said to her deserter Son: Do you intend to crawl back where you came from?
Lmao this got me good..."take a step forward..." Apply this to life to make up for your shortcomings
"AAAAAAAAAH!!!!"
The pinnacle of Laconic speech
Famous battle cry of anybody who ever stepped on LEGO piece...
Gotta love those Spartan girls!
At what part?
@@nextleader7543 your mom does
Spartan girls are ok. , Bettany is better
@@nextleader7543 lol
@@nextleader7543 Idiot
Everyone in the comments are like "Spartans were awesome" or "Spartans were ruthless and cruel" and I'm here like "Man, Spartans must be smoking a lot of crack."
Nice video which labelled certain facts for publishing military spirit among too youths generation thanks for sending
Perfect example of why society's that take an extreme position are bound to self destruct.
After about 500 years...pretty good run and much longer than Athens.
The Spartans went so far as tearing down and burning all the olive trees and vines in the Athenian plantations, actually a war crime since it took literally decades for new olive trees and grapevines to grow until sizeable enough to yield decent crops. By doing this they denied a whole nation of its livelihood and income for generations to come. Who then were the true barbarians in the Peloponnesian Wars ?
None of this matters anymore though
There are no rules and laws in war.
The idea of such ideals are truly modern and their entire foundation is structured around the ideal that both sides agree to such formalities and that's all they are. Formalities.
Finally. Someone asking real questions!
Athens. Besides a nation treat everyone like dirt no problem being exterminated. Have you ever read how they treated their women and noncitizens?
Thats hittin below the Belt then. A Bold move! thats gonna offend Protective/Nature Deitys ...Regular Crops they coulda got away with...BUT All the OLIVES! Blasphemy!! . . .Mostlikely brought bad luck for Them as well.
According to N.Machiavelli, the spartan with Lycurgus (the founder ) were the first to have a kind of System with 3 powers that provided a balanced order .About 1.000 years before The actual Legislative ,Executive and Judiciary. (the latter is actually a kind of joke in our european system ).
Isn't everything in Europe a joke? Kudos from a european.
@@tiemenpost3725 Still better than the American Kleptocracy.
I used to be a warrior like you, until i took an arrow to the knee.
how many Dragons did you slay before you took a arrow to the knee?
Now you have to be one even more! Your younglings will forever compare others to you. Best wishes mate.
You win the comment section.
Would have worked better on a video about the Norsemen/Vikings, but I'll allow it. Nice pull.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Skyrim? Gotta stop playing that game so high
@@elbat5946 is there any other way to play it?
First class documentary, exceptional lecture, could somebody explain minute 15:26, "grinding corn". I thought corn was a plant from the americas unknown to Europeans at that time. Maybe I am wrong.
"Corn" is a generic term for types of grain - barley, wheat etc. What you're most likely referring to is "maize".
@@escapegoat2212 Thank you very much for the explanation. Very appreciated.
@@carlosguevara6859 No worries. 😊 British English // American English.
At one point are the continents were together
This is the lady from the 300 movie blu ray extras. I never expected to see her anywhere else.
Self preservation usually overcomes glory or bravery. The Athenians were brilliant. They gave the Spartans *TIME to think about their miserable deaths.* Not the adrenaline rush of hand to hand combat.
well to be fair, sparta outlived athens.
If you think Spartans feared death and that's why they surrendered, you're a fool. The Spartans want nothing more than to battle for glory. Dying in battle brings glory. Refusing their want for battle and refusing to kill them in battle gave only two options. Die without glory, or surrender. To Spartans, surrendering didn't diminish one's honor. They were given the chance to strike back. Of course they surrendered
Watching from Greece.hi everybody.
Very interesting video.
You can feel the energy and SMELL THE SWEAT. I can feel energy, but I don't know if I can smell sweaty Spartan...bits lol.
lol my reaction
Wow, life back then was definitely so different.
THis episode would be a lot more interesting if it wasn't trying to transplant modern ideas in to an ancient setting
TurkeyShoot PREACH
yes! someone else notices.
yup.
Awesome Documentary !
She hitched up her skirts and said perhaps you’d like to crawl back where you came from ! Damn ! That wasn’t my mom ..
Very interesting. I like this documentary.
Ahh Sparta, where the men are men and so are the women
I can’t believe that this comment is a year old, 47 likes and not a SINGLE disagreeing position... You people are far MORE degenerate than even the worst of these people.
@@ckevorkianxo lol what
@@ckevorkianxo Go move to afghanistan.
@@ckevorkianxo Drink Drano. Great way to wash out your annoying "soul". Show us the way Oh Great One! We are unworthy to follow!
@@ckevorkianxo What are you even talking about?
Opening up the coffers of *Athens* to pay for the Parthenon?
That's a generous way of putting it.
Didn't they exploited basically everyone else but themselves?
Men would want to live in Athens and women in Sparta in Ancient Greece.
bro- what's that W stand for? I'm wondering if we got the same name 👀
History fits, a Spartan. The soldier, considered a brick in the wall, for the land of no walls.
"It was democracy in name only... in reality it was men with money who had the say." Kind of like United States is now really.
naahhh
The US isn't a democracy.
The US is a constitutional republic. It's not a democracy.
85 % divorces initiated by women
Learn history
Very good, thanks
You can hire a misthios from Kephalonia with just only a bag of drachmae .
Constantly waiting in anticipation for the man shouting "HEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUH". At night, I wake up in cold sweats hoping to hear it once more.
Many mistakes, worst one: Athens citizens rights came with capability to serve in war. For long time citizens that for needed expensive armor and equipment for beeing a hoplites. With athens new strategy of a navy, citizens only needed a pillow to serve on the woodbanks of the new fleet and so became capable to serve in war. So in law, nothing changed, only in practise. And society changed before the victory of salemis, not after it. I dont think the author of this doku was wrong by mistake but by intention.
Who is this hostess and what is the name of this series?
They're both so good
at 13:40 peaked my interest in sparta most of all, well besides the blood of course. ;-;
*piqued
Excatly
Timeline is a series of BBC documentaries this is how they used to make fantastic programmes
Odd choice of music for this doc
Silas Billekens I love it!
Silas Billekens the Naruto theme music is lit
Silas Billekens lol thats what i was thinkn lol
I was hoping for DISCO
Flutes, drums, and strings? It's not gonna sound like the score to 300.
Thank you
I feel like we are entering the current version of Athens vs Sparta here in america.