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- Want to know where to start, as far as hardware or thinking about getting into flight simulation for a hobby or wanting to build a flight simulation for real world training? I will give an overview of my setup and the items I would start with.
This does not touch on all the available companies that provided simulation products, main focus is Saitek.
My Sim Setup:
Saitek Cessna Yoke
Saitek Cessna Rudder pedals
Saitek Cessna Trim wheel
Saitek Switch Panel
Saitek TPM(Throttle/Pitch(Prop)/Mix)
Saitek Throttle Quadrant - 2 total
Saitek Flight Instrument Panel (FIP) - 9 total
Saitek Radio Panel - 2 total
Saitek Multi Panel
Saitek Backlight Instrument Panel(BIP)
Desktop Aviator carb heat - www.desktopavia...
RealSim Gear Garmin 430 - realsimgear.com/
RealSim Gear Garmin 530 - realsimgear.com/
FSX Dual (Flight Sound X) - flightsounds.com/
Adesso Bluetooth Keyboard (WKB - 1000BB) - www.adesso.com....
Logitech M187 Mouse
Garmin GPSMaps 295
7 port powered USB hubs - 3 total
Reality XP for RealSim Gear 430/530 - reality-xp.com/
Navigraph - www.navigraph....
AddOn Planes:
A2A Simulation - a2asimulations...
Airfoillabs - www.airfoillab...
Accusim - a2asimulations...
vFlyteAir - www.vflyteair.com/
Digital Replica - Cessna 310
Addon Software:
Ortho4XP - Xplane11
REX - rexsimulations.... - FSX
Ultimate Terrain X - FSX
Ground Environment X - FSX
ATC:
PilotEdge - Combined(Los Angeles Center and Western Expansion)
VatSim
My Computer Setup:
Intel i7-8700k 3.7
Asus ROG Strik Z370-E(LGA1151)
Samsung 970 Evo 500gb Nvme PCIe M.2 2280 SSD(MZ-V7E500BW)
Corsair Vengeance LPX 32gb
NVIDIA GTX1080 FE 8GB
EVGA Supernova G3 750
Corsair Hydro 120mm Cooler
Cooler Master HAF XB-EVO
LGEUSA 34" IPS 34UC88 MONITOR
MS OEM WINDOWS10 HOME 64BIT COEM
2TB hard drives dedicated to scenery
Thank you for your contribution to the aviation community, your videos are 100. Totally enjoyed your presentation and perspective on bringing together a sim setup. Also your refreshing viewpoint on learning to fly is much needed. Many folks to do not have a money tree in the backyard so your analysis is spot on.
Thanks for watching and your feedback.
Thanks Kimelj your video Vol 1 and 2 are very interesting, I have about half that set up but find it allows me to fly with some sort of realism. At the moment I'm trying to get into Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, that's giving me some headaches but I'm getting there.
Thanks and yes the more functional parts you add the more realistic you can make simulation. I beta tested MSFS2020 with all the stuff in the video and have to say I am holding off for a while until they get things all ironed out. You will get there and MSFS2020 is an amazing sim!
Just wanted to say that u have one of the coolest and best flight sim setups I've seen. I've always been into flight sims since they very 1st came out on pc. I plan on building another sim soon, and u have given me something to strive for, but awesome stuff man, love it. By the way my name is Allen, my wife and i share her youtube account so that's why the name says Deborah. Anyway thx for the great information.
Allen thanks for viewing. Yes, sims are getting better and better. I will say this setup if highly functional but there are some individuals that really make their looks aesthetically like real cockpits! Do like me and get a little at a time and it will begin to grow and take shape. Happy simming!!
Great set up ! Greetings from London UK 👍 ! Enjoyed the video 👍 Happy Landings my friend !
Amazing!!! Thanks from Brazil!
Thanks for the comprehensive review and priority of purchase. I agree. Lucky you were able to get the TPM, trim wheel, and BIP. Sucks they don't make them anymore.
Thanks, yeah got mine a few years ago.
Wondering what your thoughts are on this as a starting setup: 1. As you pointed out, a Proper gaming PC, 2) Yoke, but the minimum standard now is the Honeycomb yoke. At $250 it’s not that much more than anything cheaper, but blows them away in feel, resolution & noise, and is 80% as good as the $1000+ yokes. 3) I like your suggestion of the realistic action of the Saitek Cessna rudder pedals, 4) $200 24” or so touch screen to function as most instruments on instrument panel, 5) that touch screen runs in conjunction with Air Manager software ($65) that allows you to display and interact with a HUGE range of flight instruments on that touch screen, from a 6 pack to a radio stack, to a GPS, to you name it, 6) $100 “Knobster” which gives you a physical knob that will work ANY of the knobs on the touch screen, 7) Throttle quadrant, even if it’s just the $60 Logitech, and 8) A primary monitor if you don’t already have one for looking out the windshield. Ideally, minimum of 40” or 34” ultra wide screen. I definitely want to build toward as many physical controls as possible, rather than the touch screen, so it’s more like an actual plane, but the combination of a touchscreen, Air Manager, & Knobster can keep that initial cost down by a lot and then I’ll add on physical instruments as money allows. Thoughts??
1. You do not need an all-out gaming computer but something that will be within spec of the sim you are trying to fly.
2. Any yoke, just to note I got my PPL a few hours over minimums only because of weather and plane issues. I Blew 50 hours on just flying around and got my IR(Instrument Rating) a few ours over minimums. Partially because I had to fly 2 hours to get to my checkride 😊.
3. Rudder pedals are a must.
4. Touch screen are great $$ savers but most GA airplane do not have touchscreen and to me I like the feel of spinning a knob like I would in a plane. I heard about the knobster and seems cool. Going that route will save you a good deal of money. To note though I did not spend as much as people think I spent on my FIPs personally like them over a touch. I did touch with a Ipad app before getting my FIPs and at the time knobster did not exists.
5. Yes to knobster if you do not go with physical gauges from Saitek or any other company.
6. Yes quadrant it great addition.
7. Any monitor will work. To mention again go my PPL with my sim prior to having a bigger monitor and it was only a 23’’. Keep in mind the larger monitor you go with the better GPU you need if you are going to be pushing out quality images.
You seem very sold on making this as realistic as possible and that is fine. Functionality and Realism do go hand in hand, but some realism is not need for the sim, if you are trying to get your PPL. Save that money for some real flying time.
Daryl Lonigan thanks for checking out my videos. I am actually on beta now for FS2020. Looks like you are starting out on the right foot. They are the garmin 530, garmin 430 combo. The only immediate difference is the screen size and the first page on the Nav menu. Other than that, they are pretty much the same. If you are trying to save a few bucks just go with the 430. If not go with the 530, it is only $20 more. Happy building!
Daryl Lonigan nice, yeah the 430/530 was the next to last thing I got. I need to try out a honeycomb. Have fun starting the build! Thanks!
Very impressive set-up and advice! Thank You
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic setup. I'm getting ready to begin putting something together but this stuff ain't cheap.
Yoke and throttle set plus rudder is gonna be about $300 on Ebay.
I don't know where I'm going from there...lol
I'm hoping that little bit will help beyond just armchair flying as I have been advised by so many.
By the way, I'm 57 years old!
Wish me luck....
Thanks and you will find good deals, but no it is not cheap :). No luck is needed, you will get it done.
cool setup
I appreciate your time and the decades are flowing I've never had autopilot. In a sense on a calm day oncr the airplane is trimmed it's mostly flying itself. And even the Kodiak autopilot needs constant monitoring and adjustments as it sinks. My investments going to have to be much more to start with since I have no computer or internet I'm very rural. I need a tower to get a signal. LOL
I found a computer I have the option of 2 terabytes or 512 solid state. As reading most Gamers like solid state but you said two terabytes dedicated to just scenery that's a lot of data. I'm computer stupid since I'm old. If it's dedicated just too scenery what's operating everything else?? Scenery is mostly what I'm after. I already can fly but I want to go places I'll never get too. And I want the visual as real as possible or that experience. As for the rest of the cockpit I'll likely combine the looks of both my airplanes instrument panels. And both the 3/4 P51 and the bush plane are stick. I'm just hung up on what to do for the computer?
I have to ask, you don't have to answer. You wouldn't by chance live in Arizona? If so what city? I ask because I thought I seen the Arizona flag "hiway's" on your other t-shirt in your first video. I grew up and live there for almost 55 year's. I'm now on the Ozarks.
Thanks again.
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Hello, this went to spam/held for review. So, just seeing it. The solid state drives normally give you faster read and write. I am not worried about that wanted a cheaper option for 2TB that solid state does not. Apples to Apples at the time SSD was pricer than HDD. Now it is only a little more for a normal SSD. The sim is still operating everything else and it is loaded on the C: drive. I just have my sim pulling the location of the scenery from the HDD. As far as the computer get the best you can get and really focus on a good graphics card. I live in Georgia, yeah I wear many different state T's.
Awesome setup, planning to build something like this myself. Would be interesting to see how you actually use all this so would be great if you just recorded one of your training flights.
Yes, will definitely try and get a action video up.
Love the setup, but that screen it TOO HIGH!
Excellent choices and reasoning. Have you looked into head tracking to help with visual clues? I have wing views mapped to my yoke, so I can see around me, but next is DIY headtracking so I can just gesture and have the view change.
dixielandfarm Thanks and yes I had trackIR but really did not like it with my setup. I think I would have liked it better with a 180 degree screen setup but with one screen I like the pan on the yoke better.
Great video, do you still fly the sim or have you accomplished all your flight goals?
Hello, yes I still fly the sim and have built another G1000 based. I am currently a CFII. Still have a few ratings I would love to get but man teaching has put that on pause.
good video...
Fly safe
Can you connect multiple Saitech panels into a USB hub or do they all need dedicated USB ports in the computer?
Depends on the panel and the hub. If the hub is a 1.5A then about 3 or 4 normal panels will work fine as long as you do not have any Flight Instrument Panels plugged in. If using a Flight instrument panel on a 1.5A then I would only do one and probably 1 or 2 regular panels. If you are using a 2A or more hub then you can get away with 2 Flight Instrument Panels. To put things in more perspective. I had to get 4 - 1.5A 7 port hubs and 1 - 3A hub. I have no more than two Flight instrument panels in each. With the 3A hub having two Flight Instrument Panels with 4 other panels plugged in. Everything else is either plugged into the yoke or in usb ports on my machine. Everything is USB 2.0 or 3.0. No 3.1 hubs. Oh and the FIPS pull about .5A so if you plug in more than two on a 1.5A hub you will probably have power issues or lockups that will require a power cycle on the FIP.
Thanks for your help.
Great Video , have you upgraded to MSFS 2020?
Thanks, no I am an Xplane guy for now. MSFS 2020 Looks great but not good enough for me as a real pilot needing full IFR/IMC capabilities. Maybe soon but currently no...
Hi I have all the saitek progear including 10 FIP ,Radio Panel Multi swithch panel ,Multi Instrument panel, Cessna Trim wheel, 2 x Throttle quadrants, Rudder Pedals and Yoke all work well with MSFS 2020 the only thing that I am having problems with is the BIP panel, I cannot get that to work with MSFS2020 have you got any ideas, I use the logitech new driver for all the panels but it did not include the BIP panel, I know about Spad but to use that just for the BIP panel it seems to overide everything else. also I wouldhn't know where to start with the settings. I have been building my system over the last 17 years but the BIP has me baffled, yes I bought it also for the eye candy factor, any help would be greatly appreciated. can you make an old man happy. PS I thought my rig was good but yours is the Dogs B*^"!cks Thanks Miki
Thanks!!, I Beta tested MSFS2020 and at the time there was absolutely no support other than yoke/rudder/quadrant. I fly Xplane11 now and have not purchase MSFS2020. You have done everything I would do. As you mentioned the BIP is mainly just eye candy you can do without. So I would hold off until there is support from Logitech for the BIP. I am not a SpadNext person yet. Happy Flying...
@@klmelj Thank you for you reply, I was xplane 11, but i am abslutely loving MSFS even with all its problems, I will give them thier due they are slowly but surely sorting problems out and they have excellent communications with the community. Happy Flying
@@mikitravis oh yes MSFS2020 is amazing!
Great progression logic. Thank you!
I have 10 of the FIPs, but I don’t find the SAITEK scripts available online very useful. Do you use online scripts for each of your FIPs? If so, which ones do you recommend. Also, do you then customize any of the FIPS buttons?
They are not 100% accurate. So you will have to play around with the formulas for each plane to get them to output the correct data. If you do that I would back them up :). I spent hours with calculations before getting them right. So yes had to customize mine. I also used some from fsxtimes. He makes some good plug and play ones.
I jwant to instrument fly And have a setup that would be like the aircraft I use. The actual aircraft has Garmin 430 and 2 G5 units and a com/Nav 2 with a VOR. I’m thinking the real sim 430 and 7 Saitek instruments - HSI, AI, Tach. VSI, alt. ASI, TC. I don’t need the second radio. I will just use the 430 as my sole com and Nav. Will this work?
Yes, that is what I have now. On my Saitek FIP I have since added two G5's and I have put my second radio on a portable sim setup I have.
how can I get my radio panel to work because my windows is not reading the usb
You downloaded/installed the panel drivers?
Love your setup and your description of the equipment is very informative! I just received my Saitek FIP six pack and have downloaded the driver and the plugin. I connect to 2.0 hub with 5V/4A and then connect that to my computer which has 3.0 ports. During start up, the Saitek FIP's flash red arrows in the middle for 5-7 seconds and then go blank. I have tried different things to get these FIP's to work with no success. Can I install 2.0 ports in my motherboard? I am a little frustrated and any advise would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Hey thanks for checking me out. Do you have all 6 in that one hub? If so I would do probably about 2-3 max and see what that does. Yes you can buy a 2.0 PCI or PCI-E card. Most boards now only have PCI-E. Try and use the usb power management too uraster.com/en-us/products/usbenhancedpowermanagerdisabler.aspx . Hope this helps.
Hi i love your sim setup. Don’t you find the saitek instrument little on the small side compared to real size instruments?
Costa Adams you are correct it is not a 1/1 ratio, but I do not find that to be an issue.
Appreciate the video, I do have a question. What sort of backing are you using to attach all of your instruments and gear to?
O2NEEL thanks for checking out the video. No backing these are all Saitek items that bolt together. The switch panel is 3M tapped onto the desk. The 430/530 bolts to the Saitek panels too but I actually just have them sitting in top and supported by a small box.
Great stuff! what's the single carb heat knob called? where'd you get it?
Thanks, it is from www.desktopaviator.com/
Did you prefer the individual gages over air manager?
When I originally tried air manager a while ago it was just a touchscreen version of a 6-Pack. Which to me was not transferable to a real aircraft as far as physically turning dials. Not sure if they have added that but I know you can do Knobster now which was not there when I first tried AirManager. That being said for the price I paid for my 6-Pack vs Buyer Air Manager/Knobster/Ipad. I came out about the same and yes would prefer individual Saitek Gauges. If I had to do it again and not find a deal on a 6 pack I probably would do Air Manager and Knobster.
Lol I got my AP first out of my panels
So reality xp is a software upgrade for say the Garmin Gns 430 in xplane, and when you drag the upgraded software into the real sim gear you have those upgrades available on the unit too. Is that how the reality xp works?
lildeena1 Yes realityXP is upgrading the underlying garmin functionality. It works by downloading the garmin sim trainer and technically using that as the garmin screen. From there you will install the fsx or xplane plugin to have the trainer properly interact with the sim. Only downside is the nav database. It is older and does not match current nav. I have an updated dB that can be installed that get you 2016 nav which almost 100% matches current approaches. Hope this helped...
klmelj I have my sim running I returned my realsimm gns430 and am using the knobster with air manager all on a touch screen. I am happy with it and not too happy that the garmin in xplane seems limited in pages that it displays. Where do I get this upgraded navigation and frequency database from? I want to have it after I update to reality xp I find that garmin simulator very feature filled and would like to use it but updated.
Thanks for all you videos on home sims
@@lildeena1 Oh man sorry you did not enjoy the 430. I heard the knobster is a good alternative. Let me find the link for it. I hope to get more videos up just working on more flight ratings so simming has taken a back seat for a little bit.
Great set up. I need help, I cant het my 3 axel throttle just like yours and also the Saitek six pack,need help getting the the drivers or plugins maybe. I am using X plane 11 on windows 10 64bit. Thanks in advance
Sorry I missed this comment. With my throttle quadrant I am using the drivers for the yoke setup on Logitech site. As far as the six pack for xplane i am using the Logitech FIP Instrument panel plugin for xplane. I too have Win 10 64 bit.
klmelj Thanks for taking the time to reply. I did everything you said but still no luck, my throttle and instrument panel still not working for me.
This might help forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/14646-xsaitekpanels-linwinmac3264/
I finally was able to fix the issue. Thanks for your help
What software are you using to tie it all together, I'm building my Saitek gear up now mainly for Heavies like PMDG, I'd appreciate your feed back ?
MrZX1409 thanks for watching. This is 99% Saitek/Logitech and all I am using are the provided drivers/plugins from Logitech. With the GPS I am doing the same, just using the factory plugins from Realsim gear.
@@klmelj Hey, how can I reach out to you, I would like your assistance on helping me setup my Saitek add-ons?
MrZX1409 I just added my email to the about section on my channel.
I've been flying with a stick so far, but I'm about to get my first yoke and throttle setup, but I'm worried about one thing which I've been looking for an answer to... Any answer is appriciated. I have a knee injury which pretty much doesn't let me use my left leg very much so I can't use rudder pedals which is why I've always picked sticks with a rudder control on the throttle. Is it possible at all to fly with a yoke without using rudder pedals and what would I use for rudder instead?
Thanks for watching. I am sure you will be able to map a button on the yoke that will solve your issue.My answer is really dependent on the yoke you will be getting. So that being the unknown I will use mine as an example. My yoke has a hat switch that allows you to quickly look around and it has a switch the move up/down/left/right below the hat switch. I would use that one. Left/right could be your rudder inputs and up/down can be your breaks. I hope this helps and happy flying.
@@klmelj Thank you so much! I feel like I can still get a yoke then because I really want to start using a yoke instead of a stick. I'm not sure either so far which one I'm getting, I'm still looking. Thanks again!
@@sypharorigin The Thrustmaster T.Flight Hotas 4 is a joystick and throttle in one. The throttle has a rocker (I think they are called rockers) behind it you could use for rudder control. While a bit expensive if you just use it the throttle it would however be a great solution for your problem. The Joystick itself is also not to bad. Thrustmaster also has a stand-alone throttle the TWCS Throttle with a rocker. However it about the same price as the joystick.
@@ronrolfsen3977 That's a really good idea that I'm gonna try! Thank you! :)
DO you need powerd usb hubs for the flight Instrument panels?RPM, speed ect()
Yes, check this video out for the usb cable and hub setup. th-cam.com/video/BujmzUKwYAs/w-d-xo.html
@Daryl Lonigan Nice! yes I have said it over and over to people that saitek will work on 3.0 and 2.0 is not required. I do have a 2.0 motherboard card but it was from an older computer I wanted to reuse for more usb ports. Now I have had problems with 3.1. I do use Spad for FSX but logitech drivers for XP11. Hope you get your build up quickly.
@Daryl Lonigan Cool you will have to remove all of the Saitek/Logitech drivers. They do not play well as you see. The saitek/logitech driver is called DirectOutput. Remove that and you should get stable performance from Spad.Next.
have you seen the bkcockpits.com dash board yet ?
No never heard will check them out.
Where did you buy your panel at?
I do not remember. Most of my items except for the Realsim gear and the FSX Dual was purchased used.
Dude no trim?