I love the almost childlike delivery "That's mine!" when barrett took the fake materia from him. It really shows how obsessive and fractured his mind is becoming.
It's not fake. The pedestal's was, then after the temple collapse, the real one was obviously revealed. Such is the reward for Cait Sith's sacrifice, and it's literally how the temple works. Aerith provides it to Cloud. The fake was destroyed. The real one is in Cloud's possession, and he is being drawn North PRECISELY to give that to Sephiroth. Ergo, none of what you've seen thusfar was "Sephiroth." They were, as they have literally always been since the 90's, JENOVA transformations of Nibelheim incident burn victims, and other Hojo experiments that he let out to test the JENOVA theory. Cloud having the black materia; none of the other party members seeing Sephiroth, and Aerith only "speaking" to Cloud AFTER they all board the Tiny Bronco could NOT BE MORE CLEARLY INDICATING THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN CLOUD'S HEAD. "Sephiroth" is only ever seen as; ---A morphed Nibelheim burn victim or other SC-# release from Hojo's lab at Shinra, such as (now) Roche and Broden, courtesy of JENOVA ---A piece of JENOVA's corpse ---Inside Cloud's POV only, with only dead/metaphysically existent teammates (newly dead Aerith/Zack), and right after being separated from the rest of the party (Midgardsormr, Ancient temple, etc). ---An amalgamation of whispers congregating to "form" his "body" Sephiroth is dead. Yes, even in the remakes. The fake black materia was destroyed with Cait Sith's 1st body. The original was taken by the party. Barret really did throw the orb like an idiot, but that's also because Sephiroth clearly wasn't there, and Barret too thought he was holding the fake. He doesn't understand, much like you don't, that the temple itself is the black materia. The "orb" that we see as the fake on the pedestal is useless. The temple becomes and provides the true black materia upon its own destruction. JENOVA, yes JENOVA and not Sephiroth, manipulate Cloud into chasing "Sephiroth" since Midgar so that they will free the real black materia from the temple. It isn't even until a few days after this in canon when the party gets further North does Sephiroth's corpse (because again, say it with me, he is DEAD) even *begin* to materialize and exercise any form of its own control over Cloud or any of the other Nibelheim victims. It is at **that** point that the WEAPONS truly wake up. Cloud is separated by the temple and whispers and there you "hand over the black materia" aka put it in his pocket because that's how this game's story has LITERALLY ALWAYS WORKED. I honestly pity the sad-ass, wrong-more-than-it's-right interpretations you guys come up with. You completely miss the point of scenes and the theme of the game entirely. It's like they might as well just pipe white noise onto your screens. You're being tricked by a 25 year old plot point that they are CLEARLY still using.
The way Cloud said "Aerith" on the chasing scene is so creepy. Cody did a phenomenal job on voicing controlled Cloud. You can also tell by his voice when Cloud has snapped out from Sephiroth's control. He made this scene so amazing!!!
19:53 I love how you can see Cloud's pupils get smaller or cat-like akin to Sephiroth, it could show that he's Sephiroth's puppet/succesor in the making through JENOVA, or that he becomes apathetic to everything he loves or cares about, also much like his ex-idol.
His pupils are small, adding to the "vacant" look. When Sephiroth gives him the order, his eyes immediately dilate, like a predator stalking prey. I love little details like that. I hope we get to see him with the "cat eyes" during the Crater scene, to emphasize how little of Cloud is left at that point.
I like how Sephiroth HAD the Black Materia, but because he wanted to either toy with Cloud more, or didn’t like the fact that he got it from Barret last, he reforms the Black Materia, drops it down to Cloud, and tells him to hand it back to him. Edit: Jeez, I said this as a half-hearted joke about Sephiroth controlling Cloud, and now I got all these theorists in replies
To those asking why Sephiroth gave the Black Materia back to Cloud - he's taunting him (and the girls). He knows that he has full control over Cloud right now, and he's rubbing it in their faces.
I know people have complained over the years Sephiroth’s been made too obsessive over Cloud, but I feel like moments like this really show that can work. He LOVES torturing him, and he can use that torture to screw over the rest of the cast.
@Wolfboss7 Sephiroth can't take the black materia at this point because he isn't really there, the girls can't even see him there. He's just an image created by Jenova in Cloud's head, she needs Cloud to take the black materia and deliver it to Sephiroth's real slumbering body at the northern crater in order for the real Sephiroth's consciousness to summon meteor.
Sephiroth is Jenova's power card, but he's still Jenova's puppet nonetheless. She needs to use Sephiroth's image to intimidate Cloud, and also borrow the real Sephiroth's power to summon meteor since she isn't able to do so herself. The problem with SE is that they overplayed Sephiroth way too much till people forget Sephiroth is just Jenova's puppet, just like Cloud.
Not quite. There is the Watashi (I, gender neutral Sephiroth JENOVA, and the "Ore" Sephiroth) The Ore Sephiroth is the Whispers Sephiroth. But that Sephiroth is using JENOVA's plan to create The Undying Infinity World passed Reunion. Basically Heaven. Meteor will end these World Fragments and Feed them to Infinity as One World that is Undying.@@KrelianLoke
He does it at the Gongaga reactor as well, when he singlehandedly slaughtered an entire troop. At one point he even swaps his sword to his left hand to impale a guy.
@@sanddry738 ohhh it absolutely will be. they will focus and further explore Cloud's fucked up mental state, as we have already seen here when Cloud becomes a puppet of Sephiroth
Cool little gameplay detail is that if you try backtracking and turning around, the game keeps you forward, and actually pulls you forward a little bit. I love this detail cause it nails home that Cloud has zero control over himself, whether he realizes it or not.
That’s really cool detail because I think even in the OG something similar happened where you would still get dragged. (I think it was the kid manifestation of Cloud not being able to reach someone?)
I swear I also saw Gollum when he smirked like crazy in the Temple or when he kept looking at it and even was upset that it was taken from him XD so cute tho
Im sorry but Cloud from Barret’s pov is so funny to me 😭 15:33. In all seriousness though it’s pretty sad & scary seeing Cloud being controlled like this
I was not expecting Cloud to laught this menacingly and also to have suck a dark smirk while taking the black materia...Being evil from time to time is good tho :D
Aerith Please... HAHAHAHAHA, Aerith! Let's Talk. HEHEHEHEHE... I need it. Aerith... Give it to me. Please? You can Trust Me. Let's save the Planet Together. Aerith~♫♫
At 9:02 when Aerith called the Black Materia a fake, I think she was right because if one played or knows the story of the original, then they would know that the Temple itself is the Black Materia. In the original, every time a puzzle is solved in the Temple, it would shrink and eventually crush anyone still inside preventing anyone from trying to get the Black Materia. The party realises that the puzzles can only be solved within the Temple itself and that Sephiroth can sacrifice one of the many clones to get the Black Materia so Cait Sith sacrifices himself (since he has spare bodies due to being a robot) whilst everyone else escaped and for them to get the Materia first.
Yup. The one inside the temple is the fake one. After the temple imploded, we didn't see cuz Cloud was loosing it, but Cloud at some point after that hid the real Black Materia inside his pocket or/then sword. He doesn't know he had done it nor when he had it.
And so- he listened to the puppet-master...Even thought Tifa said the exact same thing as Sephiroth, Cloud pushed Tifa as if she was something pestering him from showing off to Sephiroth ToT
Some changes I don’t agree with but I will say I absolutely love how hard they’re focusing on cloud’s issues. And while I still don’t like Sephiroth’s Voice, the rest of the crew is perfect. Cloud’s especially goddamn. Sephiroth dropping the orb so cloud picks it up and hands It back was so fucked. I love it.
At this point, Cloud's mindfuckery is the thing I'm most looking forward to in part 3. They've done such a good job with both that and building up his relationship with the team. Everything else, I'm just shrugging my shoulders and waiting.
@@Laterose15Plus, it gonna get enhanced even more because of the connections to other games. *They already planted the seeds of remake not being a remake but a shoelace to tie everything*
"Besides, theres no point fighting over a fake." "No. You're trying to fool me." Ngl i think this was such an intense moment and im shocked not more people are talking about it.
Isn't it a fake though? We see the entire temple shrink like in the original (and this time they don't know about it, because how could they?) and drop into the crater, it sounds insanely heavy when it lands. But no one pays it any mind. So this thing's gotta be a fake, right? But yeah, was a real good scene.
@@Xbob42it is a fake. When it rolls to Sephiroth at 15:40, he confirms it is the key to unlocking the real one, which he acquires moments later at 18:54. Notice how the Black materia here has lightning inside it. Cloud was imagining Sephiroth in this scenario since he's not actually there. This is probably why Cloud has it in the final cutscene.
@iam4026 Sephiroth turns into Jenova at multiple points in the story while the party mistakenly thinks it's actually him. I don't think it's outlandish to interpret that the one we see here is also another imitation. If he's real, then why not just take the black materia and fly away instead of giving it back to Cloud. It makes more sense for this to just be another Jenova/Black Whisper encounter since it would explain how Cloud has it by the end of the game. We know the real, physical Sephiroth is frozen up north, which is where Cloud should presumably hand it over.
@@shineon9715 What would be stopping a Jenova copy from just flying away as well? And in any case, there is another way that Sephiroth appears in both the end of Remake and throughout rebirth: the black whispers. It's how he appears when taking down the Midgarstormr(can't spell that sorry) and much of the game's finale. Rebirth Ultimania confirmed the black whisper method, as well as the Remake Ultimania saying that the entire party recognizes this as Sephiroth. I say this was probably a whisper manifestation of Sephiroth(of his own creation) mainly because that one appears with the black wing most of the time(ending of both Remake and Rebirth as well as most of ch 13). And he didn't just fly away because he couldn't, it's because he wanted to play Cloud and make him give him the Black Materia. It's a bit of a beating-a-dead-horse statement at this point to say that he enjoys using Cloud and making him feel helpless. In fact what you said is exactly that; he wants CLOUD to be the one to give it to him at the Northern Crater because he's useful and extremely easy to manipulate due to Cloud's mental weaknesses.
Cloud being under Sephiroth’s control just reminded me of Cody’s previous role before this video game franchise of MTV’s Teen Wolf where as Theo he gave off the same vibes
This part so confusing I don’t know why sephrioth drops the black material and tells cloud to bring it to him . He already had the black material why did he drop it . Does the black material have powers that make people want it so bad
i noticed aerith’s voice is layered when she argues with seph. could be multiple aeriths from diff timelines converging? the lifestream did appear when she was talking
Considering the remake is about that small thing that is not small at all(which makes Remake into a non-remake)? The small thing being a different timeline set on combining all timelines, one where she is dead and alive, one where Zack is dead and alive, one where Biggs is dead to save Cloud and one where Biggs is alive because of Zack choice. And also Sephiroth versions, each with a different "symbol". On each timeline, mind you. So one on OG, one on Advent Children, one on Crisis Core.
I think they should have gone down a route where sephiroth and Aerith find a way to send their spirits back in time, but both corrupted the other, making them both enemies at the end.
In the OG, Cloud beats Aerith up (pushes her to the ground and starts pummeling her) so it's interesting to see how they mitigated that scenario. Would have been scary to see what Cloud would have done if Aerith didn't give it to him.
@@dawsonslone it'll be fun to see that no battle took place Cloud and Aerith gave in and Sephiroth handed Cloud the Materia again for asserting dominance
Wow seeing cloud act like this in HD is honestly scary lol. The va killed it. Esp him creepily staggering after aerith and calling out to her with that laugh...they nailed it! Tho..i do wish aerith didnt just hand it right back over to cloud after all that. I get why they wouldnt keep it exactly like the OG (him beating her) but this way just felt ehh
I got chills when the OG temple of the ancients theme started playing when the party was escaping the crumbling temple... Such an awesome music cue I was not expecting to hear it
remember yall cait sith isnt actually a bot each one is controlled by reeves but theyre also independent sentient creatures RIP cait sith 1 too many main characters dying fr
they did a good job changing the original, instead of just giving up the black materia, and beating Aerith, his pursuit and constant reassurances are much creepier.
Just because it definitely wasn’t clear in this scene, Sephiroth was not here. Only Cloud acknowledged Sephiroth but Aerith says Whispers. That’s what they all see except Cloud. Pay attention to everyone in the scene, no one else even once acknowledged Sephiroth, even Tifa who was literally on the same platform as them.
They do acknowledge Sephiroth at the beginning when he appears to take the fake Black Materia. After that though, it's possible you're right. Which could be even more creepy for Cloud.
Oh my God... I feel terribly sorry for Cloud... and it makes me to hate Sephiroth and that bastard Hojo even more! I mean, how mad can you be to think you're destined to rule the Planet and enjoy the suffering of the others or to do inhuman experiments with no sense of moral?! Maybe those two find it normal, but the people like Cloud are suffering from this crap... I hope to see the part in the sequel where he's released from Sephiroth's mental grasp.
Seeing Cloud act so cold and absolutely batsh*t crazy chasing after Aerith like that was horrifying and sad. Even the way he was running after Aerith was creepy.
I’m waiting for my copy of the game but I have to work also so here I am watching spoilers. I see Nobuo really did what he said he would and is finally showing us the extent of Jenova’s power over Cloud. Cloud, the perfect clone of Sephiroth can be controlled to do whatever Sephiroth needs. This is so good and adds so much depth to the original.
@@passion4pets513 because that’s where the Black Materia is. Apparently Sephiroth couldn’t go in there alone, he needed Cloud to get it for him. Also I’m not sure if they’re still going with this but Sephiroth isn’t really Sephiroth, it’s Jenova appearing as him. They’ve kinda showed this a lot in Remake when Cloud would think of Sephiroth and he would appear.
@capslock956 can be applied to Remake, Rebirth and Reunion when it comes out. The whole multiverse and ghosts bs is convoluted and adds nothing to the story, otherwise there are soo many great things to love in those games.
Yes they did. Beating the living crap out of Aerith with this level of detailed graphics is something that would not go over well with the modern audience.
How can ANYONE deny this is the best series in the whole franchise? Sure, if they remake 6 that might change, but 7 it's still by far the most developed, profitable and popular FF title in history!
Spoilers: For people asking why Sephiroth is giving the Black Materia back to Cloud, its because he isn't actually there. He is a manifestation through Jenova's cells. The real Sephiroth is at the Northern Crator waiting for Cloud to deliver the Black Materia.
Why do people keep pushing this when it's clear remake world has different rules and the Sephiroth with the wing is the future advent children aware Sephiroth?
For those who played the OG, that message with the black materia Also showed that it was fake and if it follows the story, the real one is the temple itself
@@blackraven3436i mean Sephiroth sumoned the real one but it wasent the temple i think, i dont understand whats going in this scene then i thought i did
Actually it's more likely considering what he summoned with the Black Materia that this is a whisper manifestation under Sephiroth's control; this happened earlier in the game with something Jenovaroth originally did in the OG so it's not out of the question. *Especially* when you consider both the party can all see him and the whisper form is always the one with a black wing, sometimes appearing without. The whisper form was is a thing confirmed in the Rebirth Ultimania translations and directly confirms that this is how the party all fought him at the end of Remake; specifically saying they all see him as Sephiroth. Plus there's nothing saying a Jenova manifestation couldn't just fly away after getting it. Jenovaroth did that many times in the OG, in fact the original version of this scene that is exactly what happened. He wanted to make Cloud give it to him because he enjoys messing with him and making Cloud feel helpless. After all, it is implied that he is well aware that Cloud brings him the Black Materia to the Northern Crater and has been trying to push him away from the rest of the team sooner than originally
I think one thing that gets me (and I haven't heard anyone talk about this yet) is that, while Cloud is being forced to walk towards Sephiroth, you can hear in his breathing that being possessed is either painful or dreadfully unpleasant. Plus, when he so desperately drops to his knees for the Black Materia, and then begs Aerith to give it back, he looks really, really sick. You can see him tugging weakly against Tifa until Sephiroth asserts control over him again (delightful touch) and he shoves Tifa off easily. Then, he says thank you to Aerith for giving him the materia without a fight, and it may just be my hopeful thinking, but I think he was aware enough for that. Can't imagine Sephiroth genuinely thanking anyone. This is one of the few videos I've seen that show Cloud twisting like a marionette if the player tries resisting moving forward. I was HORRIFIED the first time I saw it, and I got a bit sick to my stomach just watching. I can't imagine what that had to have felt like, resisting with everything you have, and moving anyway. Truly awful to see. All in all, a fantastic moment that makes me hate Sephiroth all the more.
Someone should make a horror game or horror map for VRChat where it's you in a dark corridor, with Puppet Cloud (or Sephiroth if you prefer) chasing you.
When Red first meets the party, he uses a more mature voice to make himself seem tough and wise. After Cosmo Canyon, he uses his real voice. In the Japanese version of FFVII, Red spoke in a completely different way after this, which was lost in translation back in the day.
So, can anyone explain to me why Aerith just gives the Black Materia to Cloud? That confused me so much. Yeah I know she's afraid of what Cloud could do to her, but I mean, it's literal fate of the world at steak, send it to Barret or Tifa with magic or something. I'm so confused. Also, is Black materia a fake and a key to the real on or is it not? If the Temple isn't the Black Materia in Rebirth, like it was in the OG, so why does it implode on itself? Those are some burning questions that I have and they confuse me to no end.
So in the original, the temple of the ancients WAS the black materia, and had to be shrunk down. In this version, the black materia is already the materia inside the temple. Kinda removes the impact of the temples collapse.
Uh, did you miss the part where the entire temple shrinks into a small mass and falls into the crater? I think that IS still the black materia, and this one IS a fake.
The fact that, due to who Cloud and Sephiroth's VAs are, I could make several Teen Wolf jokes about five people will understand out of this one scene is amazing.
I mean, the dude took a slash at Tifa with the buster sword and proceeded to then kick her into the reactor so they weren’t shying away from anything. It’s already implied in this game that Aerith is aware of the original timeline (with speculation that this is the Aerith from the original timeline) and she is well aware of what Cloud was going to do to her if she didn’t surrender the black materia so it makes sense in context.
Hey, if you'd accept a request, can you make a video on the cutscene before the Demon Gate bossfight? I think that's a pretty lore significant one that people forget about because it happens right before all the crazy stuff of the final bosses begin - It has the Meteor tease, Aerith's voice multilayered with the Lifestream around her like there are multiple Aeriths' speaking with Sephroth and Sephiroth explaining his ambitions as son of Jenova - Thanks!
when Cloud is under Sephiroths control its a lil scary to hear him beg aerith to sounding dead and back. he even sounds so relieved when aerith does hand it over to him. the voice acting is incredible
There is something i dont understand why didn't tifa and the rest of them restrain cloud if i saw my friend being brainwashed by some homicidal psychopath i wouldn't just let them walk up to the psycho
16:04
Aerith: Give it back 😖
Sephiroth: ✈️
LMAO THIS IS HILARIOUS
😂
It would be funny if Sephiroth says, "Come and get it" 😂
It honestly reminds me of the OG scene where Sephiroth chucks a Destruct Materia at Cloud and then *nyooms* away! LOL!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeee
I love the almost childlike delivery "That's mine!" when barrett took the fake materia from him. It really shows how obsessive and fractured his mind is becoming.
It's Like Gollum in lord of the rings, same vibes
@@WalterEgos. yeah it definitely gave me LOTR vibes.
Toddler who can't have his toy no more vibes
It's not fake. The pedestal's was, then after the temple collapse, the real one was obviously revealed. Such is the reward for Cait Sith's sacrifice, and it's literally how the temple works. Aerith provides it to Cloud. The fake was destroyed.
The real one is in Cloud's possession, and he is being drawn North PRECISELY to give that to Sephiroth.
Ergo, none of what you've seen thusfar was "Sephiroth." They were, as they have literally always been since the 90's, JENOVA transformations of Nibelheim incident burn victims, and other Hojo experiments that he let out to test the JENOVA theory.
Cloud having the black materia; none of the other party members seeing Sephiroth, and Aerith only "speaking" to Cloud AFTER they all board the Tiny Bronco could NOT BE MORE CLEARLY INDICATING THAT THIS IS HAPPENING IN CLOUD'S HEAD.
"Sephiroth" is only ever seen as;
---A morphed Nibelheim burn victim or other SC-# release from Hojo's lab at Shinra, such as (now) Roche and Broden, courtesy of JENOVA
---A piece of JENOVA's corpse
---Inside Cloud's POV only, with only dead/metaphysically existent teammates (newly dead Aerith/Zack), and right after being separated from the rest of the party (Midgardsormr, Ancient temple, etc).
---An amalgamation of whispers congregating to "form" his "body"
Sephiroth is dead. Yes, even in the remakes. The fake black materia was destroyed with Cait Sith's 1st body. The original was taken by the party. Barret really did throw the orb like an idiot, but that's also because Sephiroth clearly wasn't there, and Barret too thought he was holding the fake. He doesn't understand, much like you don't, that the temple itself is the black materia. The "orb" that we see as the fake on the pedestal is useless. The temple becomes and provides the true black materia upon its own destruction.
JENOVA, yes JENOVA and not Sephiroth, manipulate Cloud into chasing "Sephiroth" since Midgar so that they will free the real black materia from the temple. It isn't even until a few days after this in canon when the party gets further North does Sephiroth's corpse (because again, say it with me, he is DEAD) even *begin* to materialize and exercise any form of its own control over Cloud or any of the other Nibelheim victims.
It is at **that** point that the WEAPONS truly wake up.
Cloud is separated by the temple and whispers and there you "hand over the black materia" aka put it in his pocket because that's how this game's story has LITERALLY ALWAYS WORKED.
I honestly pity the sad-ass, wrong-more-than-it's-right interpretations you guys come up with. You completely miss the point of scenes and the theme of the game entirely. It's like they might as well just pipe white noise onto your screens.
You're being tricked by a 25 year old plot point that they are CLEARLY still using.
@@davemccombs Damn dude relax. Hope this comment helped make you feel smarter than the rest of everyone else.
The way Cloud said "Aerith" on the chasing scene is so creepy. Cody did a phenomenal job on voicing controlled Cloud. You can also tell by his voice when Cloud has snapped out from Sephiroth's control. He made this scene so amazing!!!
Definitely got possessed Jack from The Shining vibes.
Of course, this is giving homage to The Shining.
@@SilentHunter7 "Here's Cloudy."
creepy? girl it was SEXY
19:53 I love how you can see Cloud's pupils get smaller or cat-like akin to Sephiroth, it could show that he's Sephiroth's puppet/succesor in the making through JENOVA, or that he becomes apathetic to everything he loves or cares about, also much like his ex-idol.
What I saw more was how DARK and BLACK his eyes were
His pupils are small, adding to the "vacant" look. When Sephiroth gives him the order, his eyes immediately dilate, like a predator stalking prey.
I love little details like that. I hope we get to see him with the "cat eyes" during the Crater scene, to emphasize how little of Cloud is left at that point.
@@Laterose15 Cloud with cat eyes would be so cool, please do this Square !!!
@@mori_san8206Cloud's eyes did become green and his pupils turned into slits when he suffered a Geostigma attack in Advent Children.
@@EvelynL.1112 yep but if it's in the 3rd game that would be cool af
"Aerith, let's talk. I needs it. I wants it. Gives it to us, nasty Aerithses!"
One Materia to rule them all, one Materia to find them
One Materia to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.
I cracked up at 20:16 thanks to this comment. Sephiroth as Gollum... "We must takes it for ourselves!"
MY LITERAL FIRST THOUGHT
21:10
I always thought that Sephiroth was Morgoth/Sauron
I love the subtle touches, like Cloud shifting into Sephiroth's opening stance
Barrett: Fine, fetch *throws Black Materia*
Sephiroth: Thank you Barrett.
😂😂
Sephiroth: But Cloud was supposed to hand it over.
D'oh!
"What a nice man. And to think I stabbed him in the first game."
lmao
I like how Sephiroth HAD the Black Materia, but because he wanted to either toy with Cloud more, or didn’t like the fact that he got it from Barret last, he reforms the Black Materia, drops it down to Cloud, and tells him to hand it back to him.
Edit: Jeez, I said this as a half-hearted joke about Sephiroth controlling Cloud, and now I got all these theorists in replies
what a troll he is
He's playing fetch with cloud like a puppy.
EXACTLY@@ett375
He's basically flaunting his complete control over Cloud.
Naaaa ...i think he needs Clouds hate to activate the black Materia
To those asking why Sephiroth gave the Black Materia back to Cloud - he's taunting him (and the girls). He knows that he has full control over Cloud right now, and he's rubbing it in their faces.
At 9:01 aerith literally says its fake, das y sephirot gave it back
I know people have complained over the years Sephiroth’s been made too obsessive over Cloud, but I feel like moments like this really show that can work. He LOVES torturing him, and he can use that torture to screw over the rest of the cast.
@Wolfboss7 Sephiroth can't take the black materia at this point because he isn't really there, the girls can't even see him there. He's just an image created by Jenova in Cloud's head, she needs Cloud to take the black materia and deliver it to Sephiroth's real slumbering body at the northern crater in order for the real Sephiroth's consciousness to summon meteor.
Sephiroth is Jenova's power card, but he's still Jenova's puppet nonetheless. She needs to use Sephiroth's image to intimidate Cloud, and also borrow the real Sephiroth's power to summon meteor since she isn't able to do so herself. The problem with SE is that they overplayed Sephiroth way too much till people forget Sephiroth is just Jenova's puppet, just like Cloud.
Not quite. There is the Watashi (I, gender neutral Sephiroth JENOVA, and the "Ore" Sephiroth) The Ore Sephiroth is the Whispers Sephiroth. But that Sephiroth is using JENOVA's plan to create The Undying Infinity World passed Reunion. Basically Heaven. Meteor will end these World Fragments and Feed them to Infinity as One World that is Undying.@@KrelianLoke
Cloud sounds really creepy when he’s chasing Aerith
Right ? This had some cool drama
He literally sounds like a psychopathic killer taunting his prey, and it doesn't help that we're controlling Cloud to chase after Aerith
@@axceljulio5747honestly I thought we was gonna controlled Aerith honestly.
@@axceljulio5747so that's why I found it hot.
@@axceljulio5747lore wise, Sephorith
Really enjoy cloud’s va performance here. Chefs kiss no notes
Cody Christian is the goat. Really is perfect as Cloud.
5:36
I just realised that he uses Sephiroth’s fighting stance in this scene
He does it at the Gongaga reactor as well, when he singlehandedly slaughtered an entire troop.
At one point he even swaps his sword to his left hand to impale a guy.
@@Laterose15 I just noticed, nice catch!
@iam4026sephiroth has more buffs he born with jenova cells
I've seen him do that twice now and I haven't touched the remake at all
@iam4026 nope, I think the J cells were injected into him when he was still a fetus.
It's pretty disturbing how Sephiroth can reduce Cloud to a puppet like that.
I really love how Rebirth puts a lot of emphasis on Cloud's distorted psyche.
Blame that bastard Hojo.
@@deathbykonami5487 why hojo
I’m hoping the 3rd game will be absolutely soul crushing
@@sanddry738 ohhh it absolutely will be. they will focus and further explore Cloud's fucked up mental state, as we have already seen here when Cloud becomes a puppet of Sephiroth
Cool little gameplay detail is that if you try backtracking and turning around, the game keeps you forward, and actually pulls you forward a little bit. I love this detail cause it nails home that Cloud has zero control over himself, whether he realizes it or not.
That’s really cool detail because I think even in the OG something similar happened where you would still get dragged. (I think it was the kid manifestation of Cloud not being able to reach someone?)
Iirc in the OG you can only control "ghost" Cloud (his consciousness?) while Cloud body actually pummels Aerith without mercy
Loved how the Black Materia corrupted Cloud’s mind like it was the One Ring from LOTR
It's mine ...my own ...my precious....my black materia
I swear I also saw Gollum when he smirked like crazy in the Temple or when he kept looking at it and even was upset that it was taken from him XD so cute tho
😂😂 literally
Sephiroth: “Would You Kindly..”
You wrong for that. XD
And now I picture Sephiroth going to the Bioshock world just to screw with everyone's life.
Not that fucking line from Bioshock.
Im sorry but Cloud from Barret’s pov is so funny to me 😭 15:33. In all seriousness though it’s pretty sad & scary seeing Cloud being controlled like this
Cloud laughing is scary like Batman's
I was not expecting Cloud to laught this menacingly and also to have suck a dark smirk while taking the black materia...Being evil from time to time is good tho :D
Aerith Please...
HAHAHAHAHA, Aerith!
Let's Talk.
HEHEHEHEHE... I need it.
Aerith...
Give it to me. Please?
You can Trust Me. Let's save the Planet Together.
Aerith~♫♫
Sounds like he hasn't had his hit of mako yet and Aerith is holding out on him lol
Same vibes as Jack from the Shining.
This is so unsettling lol kudos to Cody
@@kjd-s5bhereee’s Cloudy!
At 9:02 when Aerith called the Black Materia a fake, I think she was right because if one played or knows the story of the original, then they would know that the Temple itself is the Black Materia.
In the original, every time a puzzle is solved in the Temple, it would shrink and eventually crush anyone still inside preventing anyone from trying to get the Black Materia. The party realises that the puzzles can only be solved within the Temple itself and that Sephiroth can sacrifice one of the many clones to get the Black Materia so Cait Sith sacrifices himself (since he has spare bodies due to being a robot) whilst everyone else escaped and for them to get the Materia first.
I think it was fake and then the moment sephiroth held it he manifested the real one when he made cloud picked it up
Yup. The one inside the temple is the fake one. After the temple imploded, we didn't see cuz Cloud was loosing it, but Cloud at some point after that hid the real Black Materia inside his pocket or/then sword. He doesn't know he had done it nor when he had it.
19:25 Sephiroth : yEs cLoUd sNaP ouT oF it!!1!
And so- he listened to the puppet-master...Even thought Tifa said the exact same thing as Sephiroth, Cloud pushed Tifa as if she was something pestering him from showing off to Sephiroth ToT
One of the most unintentionally comical videogame scenes
He was so silent I put my Volume on max
Damn they really turned my man Cloud into Jack Nicholson “Here’s Cloudy!”
Some changes I don’t agree with but I will say I absolutely love how hard they’re focusing on cloud’s issues. And while I still don’t like Sephiroth’s Voice, the rest of the crew is perfect. Cloud’s especially goddamn.
Sephiroth dropping the orb so cloud picks it up and hands It back was so fucked. I love it.
At this point, Cloud's mindfuckery is the thing I'm most looking forward to in part 3. They've done such a good job with both that and building up his relationship with the team.
Everything else, I'm just shrugging my shoulders and waiting.
@@Laterose15I look forward to seeing Emerald/Ruby/Diamond Weapon in PS5 graphics.
@@Laterose15 are you excited to play as cid and vincent though
@@Laterose15Plus, it gonna get enhanced even more because of the connections to other games.
*They already planted the seeds of remake not being a remake but a shoelace to tie everything*
@@kingstarscream320 I'm waiting to see that, Hojo's mutated form and Jenova Synthesis.
"Besides, theres no point fighting over a fake." "No. You're trying to fool me."
Ngl i think this was such an intense moment and im shocked not more people are talking about it.
Isn't it a fake though? We see the entire temple shrink like in the original (and this time they don't know about it, because how could they?) and drop into the crater, it sounds insanely heavy when it lands. But no one pays it any mind. So this thing's gotta be a fake, right? But yeah, was a real good scene.
@@Xbob42it is a fake. When it rolls to Sephiroth at 15:40, he confirms it is the key to unlocking the real one, which he acquires moments later at 18:54. Notice how the Black materia here has lightning inside it. Cloud was imagining Sephiroth in this scenario since he's not actually there. This is probably why Cloud has it in the final cutscene.
@iam4026 Sephiroth turns into Jenova at multiple points in the story while the party mistakenly thinks it's actually him. I don't think it's outlandish to interpret that the one we see here is also another imitation. If he's real, then why not just take the black materia and fly away instead of giving it back to Cloud. It makes more sense for this to just be another Jenova/Black Whisper encounter since it would explain how Cloud has it by the end of the game. We know the real, physical Sephiroth is frozen up north, which is where Cloud should presumably hand it over.
I really thought, "Oh no, here we go again!" based on what happened with Tifa earlier 😅
@@shineon9715 What would be stopping a Jenova copy from just flying away as well?
And in any case, there is another way that Sephiroth appears in both the end of Remake and throughout rebirth: the black whispers. It's how he appears when taking down the Midgarstormr(can't spell that sorry) and much of the game's finale. Rebirth Ultimania confirmed the black whisper method, as well as the Remake Ultimania saying that the entire party recognizes this as Sephiroth. I say this was probably a whisper manifestation of Sephiroth(of his own creation) mainly because that one appears with the black wing most of the time(ending of both Remake and Rebirth as well as most of ch 13).
And he didn't just fly away because he couldn't, it's because he wanted to play Cloud and make him give him the Black Materia. It's a bit of a beating-a-dead-horse statement at this point to say that he enjoys using Cloud and making him feel helpless. In fact what you said is exactly that; he wants CLOUD to be the one to give it to him at the Northern Crater because he's useful and extremely easy to manipulate due to Cloud's mental weaknesses.
20:37
Cloud: "You're becoming hysterical. I going to catch you."
Cloud being under Sephiroth’s control just reminded me of Cody’s previous role before this video game franchise of MTV’s Teen Wolf where as Theo he gave off the same vibes
This part so confusing I don’t know why sephrioth drops the black material and tells cloud to bring it to him . He already had the black material why did he drop it . Does the black material have powers that make people want it so bad
@@passion4pets513 he's playing games with Cloud, since y'know? he is his puppet
@passion4pets513 He's just screwing with Cloud basically. Sephiroth is enjoying himself.
@@passion4pets513 because sephiroth i splaying games with them he alwas could anc can end them all only vincent can be his equal in power
@@passion4pets513I think he can't actually use the Black Materia unless in his own body.
Aerith🎶 Cloud was outta pocket for that 😭
bro he’s sounds so creepy 😭😭😭
Sounded like a fent fiend
i noticed aerith’s voice is layered when she argues with seph. could be multiple aeriths from diff timelines converging? the lifestream did appear when she was talking
Considering the remake is about that small thing that is not small at all(which makes Remake into a non-remake)?
The small thing being a different timeline set on combining all timelines, one where she is dead and alive, one where Zack is dead and alive, one where Biggs is dead to save Cloud and one where Biggs is alive because of Zack choice.
And also Sephiroth versions, each with a different "symbol". On each timeline, mind you. So one on OG, one on Advent Children, one on Crisis Core.
I thought it would be the cetras speaking through her. They had similiar voices.
I think they should have gone down a route where sephiroth and Aerith find a way to send their spirits back in time, but both corrupted the other, making them both enemies at the end.
RIP Cait Sith, he sacrificed himself for everyone's sins.
Then Cait Sith Mark II comes along.
Hey Kids,Cait Sith 2.0 reporting for duty. Robots am i right?
I always knew Jesus was a cat
I’m Connor, the android sent from Cyberlife 😂
@@recordkeepertype0662A false idol, the real one passed on
In the OG, Cloud beats Aerith up (pushes her to the ground and starts pummeling her) so it's interesting to see how they mitigated that scenario.
Would have been scary to see what Cloud would have done if Aerith didn't give it to him.
He would have probably stepped closer, even pulling his sword out and slash Aerith to make her drop the materia.
Hs damn
*Aerith: remembers getting beaten to a pulp in previous timeline* "Yeah I think I'll just give it to him this time..." LOL.
@@princessoscar3089 his sing-song "Aerithhh🎶" was enough for her to say yup, not my problem! 😂
Yeah, after changing the hojo trying to mate her, Dane suicide, and cid's potty mouth I figured they were gonna do something else.
I'm honestly ecstatic for when the party actually finds out how it went down
Explain to me plz
@@dawsonslone it'll be fun to see that no battle took place Cloud and Aerith gave in and Sephiroth handed Cloud the Materia again for asserting dominance
Sephiroth's laugh is Palpatine level
Sephiroth: Do it!!!!
That’s cloud laughing, not Sephiroth
Well, at least Cloud didn't shine her shoes this time.
I love clouds desperate "please" out of nowhere. This scene was sick
Wow seeing cloud act like this in HD is honestly scary lol. The va killed it. Esp him creepily staggering after aerith and calling out to her with that laugh...they nailed it! Tho..i do wish aerith didnt just hand it right back over to cloud after all that. I get why they wouldnt keep it exactly like the OG (him beating her) but this way just felt ehh
Don’t see why him beating her is a big deal. It’s just fiction.
@@kingstarscream320it’s more so how goofy it would look ngl, this is way more effective and chilling
@@kingstarscream320some people are just that sensitive LOL
@@jamrah8713Yeah ngl I probably would’ve bursted out laughing if he started pummeling her
From what I heard, this isn't the first time Cody Christian played someone who's unhinged when being evil. (Theo from Teen Wolf, I believe)
Cloud's possessed laughing is as creepy in the remake as I hoped it would be
I was wondering when the Demon Wall was going to show up. OG players must've had a PTSD episode when he appeared.
🙋♀️
Or that there's now two of them like in the New Threat Mod. lol
@@doodlebugfour7070NEW THREAT MOD MENTIONED! I AM ASCENDING-
They really should’ve considered giving “Puppet Cloud” the slit pupils like Sephiroth. It would have made it more dramatic
EXACTLY. Just like in Advent Children.
It could still happen in part 3 at the northern crater with a accompanied boss fight hopefully
@EvelynL.1112 when did that happen?
I really love how sephitoht play games with cloud
thanks, Barret....
Cloud almost went Bilbo Baggins mode on Aerith, the BLAAAAARRRRGGHH was missing
6:04 - Cloud is a beast!
Bro beat his way through a wall
He scared me so much.
I got chills when the OG temple of the ancients theme started playing when the party was escaping the crumbling temple... Such an awesome music cue I was not expecting to hear it
Machinabridge Barret would appear and say those magic words to the party: YOU F...K Up
And Machinabridged Cloud would chime back "WE F**KED UP!? YOU TOSSED THE ARMAGEDDON MATERIA AWAY LIKE IT WAS A CHEAP MABLE!!!"
remember yall cait sith isnt actually a bot each one is controlled by reeves but theyre also independent sentient creatures RIP cait sith 1 too many main characters dying fr
Wow that's dark anyways
Didn't they change that in rebirth vs the OG?
20:29 Me who just got back home from work
😂😂😂👍
19:52 now that's straight up a horror movie scene.
“ Give us the precious Aerith”
19:22 Tifa tackle
Berret and the crew just sat back amd ate popcorn eh
But then to be honest they r no match for him
black materia is the one of one ring
wonder how they'll react to Cait Sith being Reeve in Part 3
This is one of my favorite scenes in the game. Sometimes I’d rather just be watching than playing and this is a prime example
Gee, thanks Barret.
Lol yeah that was reckless
they did a good job changing the original, instead of just giving up the black materia, and beating Aerith, his pursuit and constant reassurances are much creepier.
Just because it definitely wasn’t clear in this scene, Sephiroth was not here. Only Cloud acknowledged Sephiroth but Aerith says Whispers. That’s what they all see except Cloud.
Pay attention to everyone in the scene, no one else even once acknowledged Sephiroth, even Tifa who was literally on the same platform as them.
They do acknowledge Sephiroth at the beginning when he appears to take the fake Black Materia. After that though, it's possible you're right. Which could be even more creepy for Cloud.
This is wrong Aerith literally runs up to and tries to grab it from Sephiroth's hand. Y'all just be TALKING.
Oh my God... I feel terribly sorry for Cloud... and it makes me to hate Sephiroth and that bastard Hojo even more!
I mean, how mad can you be to think you're destined to rule the Planet and enjoy the suffering of the others or to do inhuman experiments with no sense of moral?! Maybe those two find it normal, but the people like Cloud are suffering from this crap... I hope to see the part in the sequel where he's released from Sephiroth's mental grasp.
It's Jenova always has been
I love that when u try to go back it's like seeing what little resistance Cloud can muster
Things like this are only possible in video games. Such a genuinely cool gameplay mechanic.
20:33 C LOUD IS SO SCARY
Seeing Cloud act so cold and absolutely batsh*t crazy chasing after Aerith like that was horrifying and sad. Even the way he was running after Aerith was creepy.
I’m waiting for my copy of the game but I have to work also so here I am watching spoilers. I see Nobuo really did what he said he would and is finally showing us the extent of Jenova’s power over Cloud. Cloud, the perfect clone of Sephiroth can be controlled to do whatever Sephiroth needs. This is so good and adds so much depth to the original.
Would've been perfect had they skipped the multiverses/fate ghosts bs
@@capslock956 I mean it makes sense given the power of Sephiroth
The think I don’t get is the why in only the temple of anicents cloud becomes fully under sephiroth influence 90% of the temple he was not himself
@@passion4pets513 because that’s where the Black Materia is. Apparently Sephiroth couldn’t go in there alone, he needed Cloud to get it for him. Also I’m not sure if they’re still going with this but Sephiroth isn’t really Sephiroth, it’s Jenova appearing as him. They’ve kinda showed this a lot in Remake when Cloud would think of Sephiroth and he would appear.
@capslock956 can be applied to Remake, Rebirth and Reunion when it comes out. The whole multiverse and ghosts bs is convoluted and adds nothing to the story, otherwise there are soo many great things to love in those games.
When Barret tossed the ⚫️ and said "fetch" lmao
Actually it just occured to me. Did they do this instead to replace the fact cloud beat aerith in a panicked frenzy in the original?
Yes they did. Beating the living crap out of Aerith with this level of detailed graphics is something that would not go over well with the modern audience.
How can ANYONE deny this is the best series in the whole franchise? Sure, if they remake 6 that might change, but 7 it's still by far the most developed, profitable and popular FF title in history!
Sephiroth!Cloud: Come on Aerith! I just want the Orb! Please?! I promise I won’t kill you if you do…
Spoilers:
For people asking why Sephiroth is giving the Black Materia back to Cloud, its because he isn't actually there. He is a manifestation through Jenova's cells. The real Sephiroth is at the Northern Crator waiting for Cloud to deliver the Black Materia.
Why do people keep pushing this when it's clear remake world has different rules and the Sephiroth with the wing is the future advent children aware Sephiroth?
For those who played the OG, that message with the black materia
Also showed that it was fake and if it follows the story, the real one is the temple itself
@@blackraven3436i mean Sephiroth sumoned the real one but it wasent the temple i think, i dont understand whats going in this scene then i thought i did
Actually it's more likely considering what he summoned with the Black Materia that this is a whisper manifestation under Sephiroth's control; this happened earlier in the game with something Jenovaroth originally did in the OG so it's not out of the question. *Especially* when you consider both the party can all see him and the whisper form is always the one with a black wing, sometimes appearing without. The whisper form was is a thing confirmed in the Rebirth Ultimania translations and directly confirms that this is how the party all fought him at the end of Remake; specifically saying they all see him as Sephiroth.
Plus there's nothing saying a Jenova manifestation couldn't just fly away after getting it. Jenovaroth did that many times in the OG, in fact the original version of this scene that is exactly what happened. He wanted to make Cloud give it to him because he enjoys messing with him and making Cloud feel helpless. After all, it is implied that he is well aware that Cloud brings him the Black Materia to the Northern Crater and has been trying to push him away from the rest of the team sooner than originally
@@everlastingflames13 a whisper form?
I think one thing that gets me (and I haven't heard anyone talk about this yet) is that, while Cloud is being forced to walk towards Sephiroth, you can hear in his breathing that being possessed is either painful or dreadfully unpleasant. Plus, when he so desperately drops to his knees for the Black Materia, and then begs Aerith to give it back, he looks really, really sick. You can see him tugging weakly against Tifa until Sephiroth asserts control over him again (delightful touch) and he shoves Tifa off easily. Then, he says thank you to Aerith for giving him the materia without a fight, and it may just be my hopeful thinking, but I think he was aware enough for that. Can't imagine Sephiroth genuinely thanking anyone. This is one of the few videos I've seen that show Cloud twisting like a marionette if the player tries resisting moving forward. I was HORRIFIED the first time I saw it, and I got a bit sick to my stomach just watching. I can't imagine what that had to have felt like, resisting with everything you have, and moving anyway. Truly awful to see. All in all, a fantastic moment that makes me hate Sephiroth all the more.
I love how they showed Cloud this entire chapter.
"That's mine"👁 👄 👁
Would be a slasher horror if you had control of Aerith in a dark corridor in the temple and cloud creeping behind.
Someone should make a horror game or horror map for VRChat where it's you in a dark corridor, with Puppet Cloud (or Sephiroth if you prefer) chasing you.
they made red sound like sonic the hedgehog? thats dope i guess
When Red first meets the party, he uses a more mature voice to make himself seem tough and wise. After Cosmo Canyon, he uses his real voice. In the Japanese version of FFVII, Red spoke in a completely different way after this, which was lost in translation back in the day.
21:11 Nah, the way he said Aerith just chilled me to the bone.
it actually turned me on 😂
20:18 myyyyy precioussss
So, can anyone explain to me why Aerith just gives the Black Materia to Cloud? That confused me so much. Yeah I know she's afraid of what Cloud could do to her, but I mean, it's literal fate of the world at steak, send it to Barret or Tifa with magic or something. I'm so confused. Also, is Black materia a fake and a key to the real on or is it not? If the Temple isn't the Black Materia in Rebirth, like it was in the OG, so why does it implode on itself? Those are some burning questions that I have and they confuse me to no end.
Dude Sephiroth is such a bastard
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So in the original, the temple of the ancients WAS the black materia, and had to be shrunk down.
In this version, the black materia is already the materia inside the temple.
Kinda removes the impact of the temples collapse.
I think the one in the Temple, as Aerith said, is in fact a fake and a trap so it's very much likely the Temple is still the Black Materia.
Uh, did you miss the part where the entire temple shrinks into a small mass and falls into the crater? I think that IS still the black materia, and this one IS a fake.
Scratch what I said, I forgotten that Cloud pocketed it.
Sephiroth literally spells it out: “This is the key to the true counterpart hidden between worlds”
Cloud was on that jenova drugs real hard in this scene 😂
so party member able to see Sephiroth for real 15:52
Cloud that is controlled by Sephiroth is,really creepy!
Holy what the hell is wrong with cloud he so crazy
Three words, mako-Sephiroth-Jenova
Cloud is controlled of Sephiroth
Welcome to FF7
this game made me cry over a moogle puppet
13:10
Sad scene…
Watching Cait Sith get crushed…
20:34 is that sephiroth laughing in the background? Sounds so weird coming from him. Or am I hearing something else?
No, it's Cloud.
@@embe5692 ah thx. I knew it sounded way off for seph
Cait sith saying he wished he didn't skip leg day made me groan out loud lol
Love the way sephiroth said "This is BUT a homecoming"! right b4 the fight
The fact that, due to who Cloud and Sephiroth's VAs are, I could make several Teen Wolf jokes about five people will understand out of this one scene is amazing.
pfft. It's been like 6 years since I watched Teen Wolf. Was so funny when they revealed who voices who
The fact that cloud was in an almost child-like state is absolutely heartbreaking to me.
I knew they hadn't the balls to let Cloud attack Arith, but it was a nice bait.
It's a bigger assertion of dominance if Clouds homies are compliant
Yeah no way it would be allowed, well not that it wouldn’t be allowed but more so it wouldn’t have been able to dodge the 18+ rating
I mean, the dude took a slash at Tifa with the buster sword and proceeded to then kick her into the reactor so they weren’t shying away from anything.
It’s already implied in this game that Aerith is aware of the original timeline (with speculation that this is the Aerith from the original timeline) and she is well aware of what Cloud was going to do to her if she didn’t surrender the black materia so it makes sense in context.
Hey, if you'd accept a request, can you make a video on the cutscene before the Demon Gate bossfight? I think that's a pretty lore significant one that people forget about because it happens right before all the crazy stuff of the final bosses begin - It has the Meteor tease, Aerith's voice multilayered with the Lifestream around her like there are multiple Aeriths' speaking with Sephroth and Sephiroth explaining his ambitions as son of Jenova - Thanks!
That OST is majestic
Music is too loud sometimes
noticed that too :/
should've lowered the music beforehand, sorry
@@FazFazActually, at least on my computer, it sounds perfect! ^_^
Barrett should have shot the orb after taking it from Cloud. You had one job Barrett! 🤦♂️
0:42 Awe shit, he gonna put EVERYTHING on a bagel!
18:20 what ost is playing here?
I’ve been wondering the same thing 😭
when Cloud is under Sephiroths control its a lil scary to hear him beg aerith to sounding dead and back. he even sounds so relieved when aerith does hand it over to him. the voice acting is incredible
There is something i dont understand why didn't tifa and the rest of them restrain cloud if i saw my friend being brainwashed by some homicidal psychopath i wouldn't just let them walk up to the psycho
Sephiroths whispers were likely stopping them all, as they stopped Tifa the instant she went after him
11:08 is musical masterpiece
Seems petty for Sephiroth to drop it and make Cloud give it to him, when he already had it.
I know this probably won’t happen but it be crazy if cloud became sephiroth or like I don’t know I’m just thinking like in part 3