1. Use a Better-Mag brand magwell insert and S&W MP15-22 22lr longbody 10- or 25- mags. Fixes feed angle and mag reliability, and fixes LRBHO. Drop-in part. 2. Gas under CH is due to using a 223 barrel with gas tube pointed at "nothing". Some 223 barrels don't have this hole, or you can move gas block (or pull tube) to cap it. 3. Watch out for the firing pin return spring (inside the CMMG bolt). This thing has a propensity to break in two. Still works -- but needs replacement.
Do the charging handle RTV mod to help mitigate the blow back. Smear chapstick/wax on the back of your upper, dab on some RTV to the CH, smush the two together and secure with rubber band, or your choice of lashing material. Let set. Enjoy.
Hey Troy McClure, I do remember you from those videos, and from your educational film strips such as 'Lead Paint: Delicious but Deadly' and 'Here comes the Metric System!!'.
I have had really good luck with the cmmg conversion with the redi mag 15-22 conversion kit. It adds functinal bolt lock and uses better 15-22 magazines
I know you aren’t a .22 trainer guy, but the tippmann m4-22s are phenomenal. Especially the elites with the aluminum furniture. I use it mostly for reload drills and practice, the speed loader really helps because it gets an unknown number if rounds in the magazine.
Ditto, just saw this after i posted mine comment about the same thing lol.. Love that damn thing. The M&P 15-22 is also good but i like the tippman more for sure.
If it makes you smile and brightens your day - I’d say that’s a worthwhile application. Might not be “practical” in the usual sense, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t worth trying.
Yeah, really wish people stopped looking to justify every gun purchase and sometimes playing the mental gymnastics game to make their point. Just buy something you like because you like it. No shame in just enjoying something you think is cool or fun.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this but I think smith and wessen owns the patent for the bolt lock on the .22 ar platform even when mag is removed, so I bought that one. The hk didn’t have bolt lock during mag removal either . Great point to have a .22 trainer!
The tippman arms m4-22 elite has been very reliable in my experience even suppressed. The elite model has fully aluminum receivers, they also sell a folding version.
Better Mag adapter to use the S&W 15/22 mags is a nice upgrade. Not only is it more reliable, but it also allows the bolt hold open feature to stay open after the mag is dropped and uses the mag release paddle, just like an AR should.
There is one other use for .22 conversions or dedicated .22s that mimic other guns. New shooters. Starting with a quiet, low recoil, and cheap caliber gets them trigger time with the basics (4 basics of gun safety, how to use the sights, etc.). If the gun has a similar battery of arms to a larger gun you intend to let them try later they will have less to worry about when dealing with the louder and heavier recoiling caliber.
Hop that might actually be the most practical rifle/pistol/sbr/whatever it is that you actually own. That would be an awesome little companion on any homestead or ranch, or for any small game hunting trip, or for camping.
My cmmg kit with a magwell adapter to use S&W M&P15-22 mags, is 100% perfect and reliable all the time. Never had a single malfunction. And I take it on most range trips. Probably 3000 -5000 rounds through it.
Hop, great video as always. Im sure you’re already aware, but in case you aren’t- You should check out the Redi-mag M&P 15-22 mag adapter. Not only do the Smith mags work better, but you get a true last round bolt hold open that doesn’t hang up on the mag follower. Almost 1:1 manual of arms as a normal Ar-15.
I've got a CMMG conversion, an older one, and the Black Dog magazines. It's not terribly accurate, but the magazines work well. Nice vid, thanks for sharing!
I have the same (except a dedicated 22 upper made with a CMMG barrel and bolt kit), and have had great success with Black Dog Machine mags as well as CMMG mags. I believe the accuracy issues have to do more with the ammo since 22lr isn't the most consistent. I get far better results with CCI than I do with Winchester for example.
@@No_Wall_Hangers I do have the barrel, from CMMG, dedicated 22LR 1/16 twist. It wasn't all that accurate either, about 1.5" at 25 yards. So I decided to swap in a 5.56 barrel and just use the adaptor when I want to shoot the rimfire.
I love the CMMG Bravo. I've got a drop in and a dedicated upper and they're a great time, but they definitely need good ammo to run well. I can't speak for the newer mags since I've only got the older ones. However, easily the most reliable ammo I've used are the Federal Auto Match. They eliminated the first round jam in both of my conversions.
Some comments on your conversion kit - I had issues with my old Alpha kit doing the same thing. First round would nose up and fail. I reached out, they traded me the Alpha kit for a new Bravo kit. I haven't had that issue since. As long as I clean it every 200-300 rounds, it runs just fine. Note, I'm shooting suppressed most of the time. Unsuppressed may lengthen that cleaning interval, idk. My point - it might be worth reaching out to CMMG about your issue to see if they can help. As for manual of arms, there is a website selling some drop-in components that allow for the use of actual BHO. Haven't bought one yet, so no experience.
Oof my second gen orange follower screwed together mags work great for my cmmg conversion kit. I put it in a cheap aero upper i made specifically for it so i blocked the gas port on a 7.5 inch barrel. Maybe that's my I'm not getting extreme amount of gas blowback when running it with a silencerco switchback. It's been extremely reliable for a 22. I have not counted the rounds before a failure but it's many many mags. Luckily it's easy to clean as well. This build looks sweet with the carry handle and trijicon.
I've shot many thousands of rounds through the CMMG .22 conversion kit with a Liberty Cosmic suppressor and only have issues when they are brand new. After around 100 rounds and some lube they have always worked fine for me. I have a few of them.
I've never had issues with function on my 10/22 feeding steel lip banana mags. With the fitment being so crap on those mags, I'd add some felt tape to the front and rear of the mag to keep it from flopping around and might even resolve your first round chambering issue.
I went the route of building a dedicated upper with the bolt and barrel kit. Its been very reliable with the old style clamshell cmmg mags. I haven't tried those new ones yet.
Firstly, a Bore Buddy 22lr Reliability Kit to help with malfunctions and gas blowback. It has an insert into your charging handle which will prevent casings from getting stuck into the upper and prevent gas blowback through the gas tube. It has better weights and extractors and other improvements with the firing pin. Secondly, get a Catch22 bolt catch extension so you can actually use your bolt catch. It goes on the inside so it should work with non-standard setups like a PDQ lever, maritime bolt catch, or a phase 5 EBR. (Edit) Third, tape some velcro to the back of the mag to get rid of the mag wobble issue.
Interesting. I have the same CMMG kit, but it has the older clamshell, non-skeletonized magazines and they work flawlessly with the Mini-Mags out of my 13.9" 5.56 upper. No first round issue or misfires thereafter. Perhaps the newer mags are made 'more cheaply' and don't seat as well.
I've used the older CMMG mags (as well as Black Dog Machine) in my dedicated .22 lr upper made with CMMG bolt and barrel and rarely have problems. I agree that it's probably the new CMMG mag.
We have two of the CMMG .22 conversion kits with the older mags. They can be picky with ammo but once you find ammo that works they work very well. I agree they aren’t great training aids but you can do some shooting drills with them. They are also fun to use if your range has a .22 only steel range with 200 small steel targets.
Mine is a couple years old, and i only use the cmmg mags but ive never had an issue with and I've shot all different kinds of ammo out of it. The only time anything went wrong it was just bad old ammo and it still fired most of it when my other .22s wouldn't
the KKKK. get the mossie midnight light mount, or just strap a light to the suppressor. you could also use that surefire flashlight grip thing if you hoseclamped a pic rail to the bottom
Looks like a fun gun. I've had pretty good luck with my cmmg conversation. I don't shoot it a lot but It's fairly reliable compared to normal semi auto 22's using cheap bulk ammo. I have the older style mags and i pretty much always shoot it with one particular gun so my data may not be very relevant though.
Growing up my dad used his 10/22 to get us kids (there were a lot of us but we're not Catholic/Mormon) time with semi automatic guns that aren't as big, loud, heavy, or hard recoiling as 5.56 or 7.62 guns are. Great tool for that, but yeah the rest of it you kinda hit the nail on the head. Can't attest to the 10/22 issues though. Maybe it's Rose tinted glasses but I feel like I'd go out and burn through a 500 round box of whatever the cheapest ammo we had was and had no issues. We used Ruger 25 round magazines instead of the 10 rounders
I own the original CMMG .22 LR conversion kit. Unlike Hop, I use it for training in my 14.5" AR-15 in conjunction with my Taurus TX-22. I load my magazines to 26 rounds, then chamber the top round. I rarely have feeding issues.
safety, trigger, sighting, reloads....so basically your whole manual of arms+ live ammo safety. I get gun guys like us overlook this stuff because we shoot thousands of rounds out of stuff a year. but the average guy or gal on the street don't sit and dry fire practice, they dont get trigger time for target shooting, they dont even know how to use their sights effectively generally. a kit like this is actually a pretty good thing for those folks to get them out to the range and get them shooting more, more trigger time is worth the effort.
Occlude the optics with sub par lighting, reticle becomes much more useable. On my bedside rifle, I leave the cover on my Aimpoint PRO, so I can leave it on a lower setting, and I can still see the dot, even with my light on.
Are they CMMG mags? Mine look completely different (watched farther into the vid and saw that these are the new CMMG mags, funky looking!). There is also a $7.50 adapter you can buy that let's your AR/CMMG take S&W 15-22 mags. If you're having reliability issues, I'd look hard and long at those new CMMG mags. The CMMG kit works much better after a good polishing of the action rails, chamber, feed ramp and firing pin. To the point mine is flat out dead nuts reliable after having done so. I have uploaded a how to video on this in the past.
@@Adam-kr8wy Federal champion and automatch give me fits with my CMMG kit, with light primer strikes, but im using yellow JP springs. Rem golden bullet , winchester 555 and winchester M22 work flawlessly for me with the JP springs. (So does all premium ammo)
Huh? They're perfectly fine for a rim fire gun. Only had issues with those 25 round mags really or the occasional shit ammo but again, pretty normal rim fire stuff. My 15-22 is probably just as reliable just with bigger mags.
"I'VE GOT OVER 1 MILLION ROUNDS OF .22 THROUGH MY [insert gun you're defending here] AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES! I THINK YA JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YER DOING!"
The only reason I run .22lr in anything is to make it stupid quiet and semi-auto .22 CAN be quiet, but it will never be as quiet as a bolt action .22lr simply because of the action noise. I absolutely adore my Ruger American with CCI quiet (I think they're only like 710fps) because all you can hear is a tiny click from the firing pin hitting the rim. It's literally as quiet (suppressed) as dry firing except you still get a bullet flying out at a target or an unlucky rabbit or squirrel.
I have surpassingly never had an issue with my 10/22 which is mostly factory. Mag dumped 4 25 rounders in a row with no issues out of it so far... so still got a long ways to go to call it reliable but so far so good.
Why doesn’t a company come out with a .22 magnum conversion kit? Since they already make conversion bolts, which fixes the chamber size issue, there really isn’t a reason aside from the extra pressure needing more material to keep it from grenading. The extra case length of .22wmr might help with feeding issues, since it can still be fired out of a .22lr/.223/5.56 barrel. It would probably help with case ejection too since it’s got a bigger powder charge to run the bolt. I can only see cost as the issue with cmmg making a .22WMR conversion kit. Makes you wonder…
Check out Borebuddy upgrades for the cmmg kits. Dead blow weight kits, charging handle inserts to remove debris flying out of the charging handle, hardened extractors and firing pins, barrels, and a lot of other cool stuff. P.s. cut a small fuzzy side piece of velcro and put it on the back portion of the cmmg mags where they insert into magwell. Removes the slop.
looks super fun, I've been considering getting a gooseneck too for that weird dated tech look but opted for a direct-to-carry handle scope instead for the mean time
Think it's the mags. I use all sorts of crap ammo through my CMMG kit on multiple AR's and it's almost flawless. Occasionally get a bad primer spin, sometimes get a brass over bolt deal. But if I give it a little spray lube when it starts being finicky it keeps on going. Accurate enough for me too. I use the older GI looking mags, and Black Dog mags.
The title of the video had me absolutely beaming smiling. Sadly, SBRs and pistols are out for the question for my country. Hop, you’re an astonishingly phenomenal content creator.
That looks pretty badass. I think the build could be improved in practicality by re-configuring the gun to shoot 5.7 x 28. You would loose the movie quiet shooting, and it would be more expensive to shoot, but everything else would be improved. It would be more reliable (cause centerfire), more accurate (due to having the correct twist rate for the cartrige), it would be easier to suppress (compared to 5.56), flatter shooting (likely flatter than 5.56 and 22lr out of a 7.5" barrel), and if you do enough mental gymnastics it could still fulfil some weird niche role to justify its existence in your safe. Maybe like a truck/backpack gun meant to assasinate varmints and also to shoot bad guys wearing soft body armor from the 80's. haha
So spend a lot of money to make your AR less effective than if it was in 5.56, and more expensive than it was in 5.56, and retain the reliability issues because AR57s only work properly with the P90 mags?
Look up CMMG Banshee. 5.7 AR-style pistol that feeds from FN FiveSeven magazines. Comes with an 8 inch barrel CMMG also makes 5.7 uppers and STANAG mags with 5.7 adapter inside
.22 tcm would make more sense. Although at that point just shoot 5.56. Main reason to use a smaller .22 cartridge out of an ar other than .22lr is you can make a scaled down AR, which nobody does really. But imagine a dedicated AR lower and upper for a caliber like .22tc, where everything is scaled down so you have a smaller and lighter gun.
I think you can also train some things like target transitions. If you're doing reps on something like a plate rack, then you can do far more reps with 22lr than 223.
Hop....Blackdog Machine LLC magazines and the Borebuddy 22lr AR Reliability Kit will improve the experience. Borebuddy also has a quiet collar for the bolt that's worth every penny.
Its giving issues because of the buffer tube and buffer, where the buffer sits affects the kit, if you have a buffer that sits pretty back in the tube the bcg will move slightly backwards into the tube causing feeding issues. A buffer tube cap which pushes the bcg forward fixes alot of issues.
Some lower magwells are much tighter than others. My target 22 lower has a loose magwell, and I put shims on the back of my magazines by the trigger guard to help them feed better. If an adventurous person wanted to, they could make new 3D printed trigger guards that extended slightly into the mag well to do the same thing without having to put shims on every magazine.
I love the way Hop will just drop a line like "I've never found a 10/22 that worked" or "AKs are impossible to modernize" and never acknowledge it. Just casually pissing off 70% of the gun owner community with offhand comments lol
I typically use my cmmg kit to help ease new people into shooting. Once they're comfortable, I usually just swap it out back to 5.56 for the rest of the day.
I like my 22 kit. Its cheaper than a dry fire system cause straight dry fire without impulse sucks imo. It helps with accuracy at 50 yards, and thats furtest i can train. Reloading drills and such are nice too. But thats my opinion vOv. Id reccomend it to anyone who needs a reason to shoot more.
That face gassing is from the gas block & tube. The .22 convert is BlowBack operation. I moved my gas block 3mm forward. Zero gas= Zero face burn! Nice part is a very clean trigger group, charging handle etc. My SSA is too nice to fill up with .22lr sludge..
You have incurred the wrath of the 10/22 Stan! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Seriously tho. Both of my 10/22s are damn near 100% (other than dud rounds which is just part of the rimfire experience).
@@kilroy5166 I'm referring to dots on carry handle AR's, something that I ran for many years before moving on as more modern setups and designs became more available with time. Uppers with 1913 rails came to market in 1992 or so from what I remember, and the Canadians have been using them since even before that.
I bought a super cheap ATI omni pistol for my girl to shoot. I threw the CMMG bravo .22lr kit in it, and it runs like a dream, and is ridiculously fun to shoot. I also got her a 50 round drum mag from BlackDog Tactical. She shoots it like John Wick, its fuckin hilarious and cheap to shoot. Fun for all. That gun u built is dope too. Keep up the great work brother. I enjoy ur videos.
Thank you as always for the proper education I've come to expect from you. I quite literally use it as sustenance to keep me happy, healthy, and strong, so i can kick metaphorical ass ALL DAY LONG! -Not night though because i haven't gone down the 'night vision money hole' yet.
I have the older CMMG bolt with mags, and as others have mentioned, mine has been completely reliable with whatever I have put through it. WITH the exception of the 710fps subs from CCI, but thats honestly not surprising. Even the gas blow back isnt bad when I put it on my 11.5" 5.56, but that could be do to me using a 300SPS can.
Spray paint it FDE and we can call it the Krylon Khaki Kitty Kat Klone Konversion Kit. :simplemabs:
Simple Mabs, simple as.
The KKKKKK
honestly these fun little weird gun videos are pretty great
they're cozy!
Thank God hop is making that bread, socko is expensive to feed.
Socko brings home the bux from all those Broadway musicals hes in
This guy pays for youtube lmao
he keeps getting bigger and eating more
This guy is a natural! 😃
Socko rubs his butthole on Hops furniture. Piss paws and hair everywhere. Animals belong in the barnyard.
1. Use a Better-Mag brand magwell insert and S&W MP15-22 22lr longbody 10- or 25- mags. Fixes feed angle and mag reliability, and fixes LRBHO. Drop-in part.
2. Gas under CH is due to using a 223 barrel with gas tube pointed at "nothing". Some 223 barrels don't have this hole, or you can move gas block (or pull tube) to cap it.
3. Watch out for the firing pin return spring (inside the CMMG bolt). This thing has a propensity to break in two. Still works -- but needs replacement.
If you're going so far as modifying your 223 upper, then it makes more sense to just buy a proper 22lr barrel from CMMG
@@cymond ar15catch22 sells the same thing for $7.50, The mag inserts just snap onto the magwell, no modification of the upper is required.
@@Valorius Pretty sure he's referring to point #2 (moving the gas block)
@@macalvand I don't know what he's even talking about with point 2, honestly.
Do the charging handle RTV mod to help mitigate the blow back. Smear chapstick/wax on the back of your upper, dab on some RTV to the CH, smush the two together and secure with rubber band, or your choice of lashing material. Let set. Enjoy.
Hey Troy McClure, I do remember you from those videos, and from your educational film strips such as 'Lead Paint: Delicious but Deadly' and 'Here comes the Metric System!!'.
I love it! Who cares if anyone thinks 22’s are practical or not, they’re crazy amounts of fun!!!
they're the most practical gun a rural man will ever own.
I have had really good luck with the cmmg conversion with the redi mag 15-22 conversion kit. It adds functinal bolt lock and uses better 15-22 magazines
Black Dog Machine and CMMG .22lr mags both work fine in my dedicated .22lr uppers made with a CMMG barrel and bolt kit.
I think about half of all malfunctions are magazine related 🤔
I know you aren’t a .22 trainer guy, but the tippmann m4-22s are phenomenal. Especially the elites with the aluminum furniture. I use it mostly for reload drills and practice, the speed loader really helps because it gets an unknown number if rounds in the magazine.
Ditto, just saw this after i posted mine comment about the same thing lol.. Love that damn thing. The M&P 15-22 is also good but i like the tippman more for sure.
No doubt the Tippmann m4 kicks ass!
Got a Tippmann 5K rounds trough and only 2 malfunction from very cheap bad ammo. Otherwise is runs just perfect
Just his tv personality dislikes 22. Who knows what he actually thinks.
This build is straight up schizophrenic. This is why I'm subscribed. Keep em coming, Hop
If it makes you smile and brightens your day - I’d say that’s a worthwhile application. Might not be “practical” in the usual sense, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t worth trying.
Yeah, really wish people stopped looking to justify every gun purchase and sometimes playing the mental gymnastics game to make their point. Just buy something you like because you like it. No shame in just enjoying something you think is cool or fun.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this but I think smith and wessen owns the patent for the bolt lock on the .22 ar platform even when mag is removed, so I bought that one. The hk didn’t have bolt lock during mag removal either . Great point to have a .22 trainer!
Duct tape a mag light to the handgaurd 😂
The tippman arms m4-22 elite has been very reliable in my experience even suppressed. The elite model has fully aluminum receivers, they also sell a folding version.
Bore buddy makes really good upgrade kits for the cmmg 22lr conversion kits. Definitely worth it. Especially if you shoot suppressed.
2:59 Amazing how much muzzle and ejection port flash you can see with NODs even with only 1 grain of propellant
You can't hide muzzle flash from NV.
"carry handle" even though all I can hear when I touch it is my drill SGT, "ITS NOT A FUCKING BRIEFCASE"
Better Mag adapter to use the S&W 15/22 mags is a nice upgrade. Not only is it more reliable, but it also allows the bolt hold open feature to stay open after the mag is dropped and uses the mag release paddle, just like an AR should.
There is one other use for .22 conversions or dedicated .22s that mimic other guns. New shooters. Starting with a quiet, low recoil, and cheap caliber gets them trigger time with the basics (4 basics of gun safety, how to use the sights, etc.). If the gun has a similar battery of arms to a larger gun you intend to let them try later they will have less to worry about when dealing with the louder and heavier recoiling caliber.
Hop that might actually be the most practical rifle/pistol/sbr/whatever it is that you actually own. That would be an awesome little companion on any homestead or ranch, or for any small game hunting trip, or for camping.
Oh hey it’s that guy from Brass Facts!
If you put some kind of wacky ass wooden furniture on this thing, It would look like some kind of Bethesda Fallout version of a mk 18
My cmmg kit with a magwell adapter to use S&W M&P15-22 mags, is 100% perfect and reliable all the time. Never had a single malfunction. And I take it on most range trips. Probably 3000 -5000 rounds through it.
Black Dog Machine and CMMG .22lr mags both work fine in my dedicated .22lr uppers made with a CMMG barrel and bolt kit.
It's difficult to believe that considering rimfire alone will malfunction just by virtue of being rimfire
@@rodiculous9464 …
Skepticism is healthy. Why believe anything I have to say.?
So you should definitely never buy one
He Clooooooin!!!
Hop, great video as always. Im sure you’re already aware, but in case you aren’t- You should check out the Redi-mag M&P 15-22 mag adapter. Not only do the Smith mags work better, but you get a true last round bolt hold open that doesn’t hang up on the mag follower. Almost 1:1 manual of arms as a normal Ar-15.
I've got a CMMG conversion, an older one, and the Black Dog magazines. It's not terribly accurate, but the magazines work well. Nice vid, thanks for sharing!
I have the same (except a dedicated 22 upper made with a CMMG barrel and bolt kit), and have had great success with Black Dog Machine mags as well as CMMG mags.
I believe the accuracy issues have to do more with the ammo since 22lr isn't the most consistent. I get far better results with CCI than I do with Winchester for example.
Get a 1/16 twist dedicated 22lr barrel. Makes 1000% difference in accuracy.
@@No_Wall_Hangers I do have the barrel, from CMMG, dedicated 22LR 1/16 twist. It wasn't all that accurate either, about 1.5" at 25 yards. So I decided to swap in a 5.56 barrel and just use the adaptor when I want to shoot the rimfire.
do it meow
Danm it. A carry handle upper and fsp makes everything look amazing.
I love the CMMG Bravo. I've got a drop in and a dedicated upper and they're a great time, but they definitely need good ammo to run well. I can't speak for the newer mags since I've only got the older ones. However, easily the most reliable ammo I've used are the Federal Auto Match. They eliminated the first round jam in both of my conversions.
Some comments on your conversion kit - I had issues with my old Alpha kit doing the same thing. First round would nose up and fail. I reached out, they traded me the Alpha kit for a new Bravo kit. I haven't had that issue since. As long as I clean it every 200-300 rounds, it runs just fine. Note, I'm shooting suppressed most of the time. Unsuppressed may lengthen that cleaning interval, idk. My point - it might be worth reaching out to CMMG about your issue to see if they can help. As for manual of arms, there is a website selling some drop-in components that allow for the use of actual BHO. Haven't bought one yet, so no experience.
Citty Cat Conversion Cit? Kitty Cat Conversion Kit? oh... nevermind, thanks for adding the extra "K"
Oof my second gen orange follower screwed together mags work great for my cmmg conversion kit. I put it in a cheap aero upper i made specifically for it so i blocked the gas port on a 7.5 inch barrel. Maybe that's my I'm not getting extreme amount of gas blowback when running it with a silencerco switchback. It's been extremely reliable for a 22. I have not counted the rounds before a failure but it's many many mags. Luckily it's easy to clean as well. This build looks sweet with the carry handle and trijicon.
I've shot many thousands of rounds through the CMMG .22 conversion kit with a Liberty Cosmic suppressor and only have issues when they are brand new. After around 100 rounds and some lube they have always worked fine for me. I have a few of them.
Anything said about practicality is irrelevant because this build is just an absolute vibe, and that’s all that matters for a gun this obtuse
I don’t know how I feel about this build…
Do I love it? Yes
Do I hate it? Yes
I guess double think go brrrrrr
I have that effect on people
It's ok for some stuff to just be fun toys. Doesn't always got to be the most practical thing.
That gun looks like it will show in a cheap & cheezy funded man's tac soap opera. We'll call it "Days of Tac" starring Hoplopfheil and Brassfacts.
I've never had issues with function on my 10/22 feeding steel lip banana mags.
With the fitment being so crap on those mags, I'd add some felt tape to the front and rear of the mag to keep it from flopping around and might even resolve your first round chambering issue.
Ahh... the legendary cheek pistol. Chris Baker is proud.
@6:12 you can clearly see he is shouldering the brace. This is in fact not a cheek pistol.
You can use a trex arms light bar and that pic rail. Plenty of room for a light.
congrats getting a sponsor! thats huge
I went the route of building a dedicated upper with the bolt and barrel kit. Its been very reliable with the old style clamshell cmmg mags. I haven't tried those new ones yet.
Firstly, a Bore Buddy 22lr Reliability Kit to help with malfunctions and gas blowback. It has an insert into your charging handle which will prevent casings from getting stuck into the upper and prevent gas blowback through the gas tube. It has better weights and extractors and other improvements with the firing pin.
Secondly, get a Catch22 bolt catch extension so you can actually use your bolt catch. It goes on the inside so it should work with non-standard setups like a PDQ lever, maritime bolt catch, or a phase 5 EBR.
(Edit) Third, tape some velcro to the back of the mag to get rid of the mag wobble issue.
Interesting. I have the same CMMG kit, but it has the older clamshell, non-skeletonized magazines and they work flawlessly with the Mini-Mags out of my 13.9" 5.56 upper. No first round issue or misfires thereafter.
Perhaps the newer mags are made 'more cheaply' and don't seat as well.
I've used the older CMMG mags (as well as Black Dog Machine) in my dedicated .22 lr upper made with CMMG bolt and barrel and rarely have problems. I agree that it's probably the new CMMG mag.
Same. I’ve used the Black Dog Machine mags and the CMMG anti-jam charging handle extensively for 10 years and only have issues with Winchester Ammo.
Same
We have two of the CMMG .22 conversion kits with the older mags. They can be picky with ammo but once you find ammo that works they work very well. I agree they aren’t great training aids but you can do some shooting drills with them. They are also fun to use if your range has a .22 only steel range with 200 small steel targets.
Mine is a couple years old, and i only use the cmmg mags but ive never had an issue with and I've shot all different kinds of ammo out of it. The only time anything went wrong it was just bad old ammo and it still fired most of it when my other .22s wouldn't
Sideways trick sounds very promising. Hop is the best
the KKKK. get the mossie midnight light mount, or just strap a light to the suppressor. you could also use that surefire flashlight grip thing if you hoseclamped a pic rail to the bottom
Bore buddy sells parts for those kits that I’ve had really good luck with. It’s basically a mass kit and some springs. It made a big difference.
I use something similar to teach my oldest (5 years old) to shoot. I love it for that purpose. And I don't need to spend $400-$500 on another gun.
Looks like a fun gun. I've had pretty good luck with my cmmg conversation. I don't shoot it a lot but It's fairly reliable compared to normal semi auto 22's using cheap bulk ammo. I have the older style mags and i pretty much always shoot it with one particular gun so my data may not be very relevant though.
Growing up my dad used his 10/22 to get us kids (there were a lot of us but we're not Catholic/Mormon) time with semi automatic guns that aren't as big, loud, heavy, or hard recoiling as 5.56 or 7.62 guns are.
Great tool for that, but yeah the rest of it you kinda hit the nail on the head. Can't attest to the 10/22 issues though. Maybe it's Rose tinted glasses but I feel like I'd go out and burn through a 500 round box of whatever the cheapest ammo we had was and had no issues. We used Ruger 25 round magazines instead of the 10 rounders
I own the original CMMG .22 LR conversion kit. Unlike Hop, I use it for training in my 14.5" AR-15 in conjunction with my Taurus TX-22. I load my magazines to 26 rounds, then chamber the top round. I rarely have feeding issues.
I had this same setup on a standard 16' model and loved it
safety, trigger, sighting, reloads....so basically your whole manual of arms+ live ammo safety. I get gun guys like us overlook this stuff because we shoot thousands of rounds out of stuff a year. but the average guy or gal on the street don't sit and dry fire practice, they dont get trigger time for target shooting, they dont even know how to use their sights effectively generally. a kit like this is actually a pretty good thing for those folks to get them out to the range and get them shooting more, more trigger time is worth the effort.
Occlude the optics with sub par lighting, reticle becomes much more useable. On my bedside rifle, I leave the cover on my Aimpoint PRO, so I can leave it on a lower setting, and I can still see the dot, even with my light on.
Are they CMMG mags? Mine look completely different (watched farther into the vid and saw that these are the new CMMG mags, funky looking!). There is also a $7.50 adapter you can buy that let's your AR/CMMG take S&W 15-22 mags.
If you're having reliability issues, I'd look hard and long at those new CMMG mags.
The CMMG kit works much better after a good polishing of the action rails, chamber, feed ramp and firing pin. To the point mine is flat out dead nuts reliable after having done so. I have uploaded a how to video on this in the past.
Only problem I seem to have is light strikes but that's probably just my federal automatch messing things up
@@Adam-kr8wy Federal champion and automatch give me fits with my CMMG kit, with light primer strikes, but im using yellow JP springs.
Rem golden bullet , winchester 555 and winchester M22 work flawlessly for me with the JP springs.
(So does all premium ammo)
4:37 😂 I've gotten into so many arguments over the 10-22. THEY DON'T WORK PEOPLE.
Huh? They're perfectly fine for a rim fire gun. Only had issues with those 25 round mags really or the occasional shit ammo but again, pretty normal rim fire stuff. My 15-22 is probably just as reliable just with bigger mags.
"I'VE GOT OVER 1 MILLION ROUNDS OF .22 THROUGH MY [insert gun you're defending here] AND I'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES! I THINK YA JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YER DOING!"
I love you hop stay swaggin
The only reason I run .22lr in anything is to make it stupid quiet and semi-auto .22 CAN be quiet, but it will never be as quiet as a bolt action .22lr simply because of the action noise.
I absolutely adore my Ruger American with CCI quiet (I think they're only like 710fps) because all you can hear is a tiny click from the firing pin hitting the rim.
It's literally as quiet (suppressed) as dry firing except you still get a bullet flying out at a target or an unlucky rabbit or squirrel.
You absolute madman I love it
This gun seems like it would be the funnest thing to shoot. Also looks like something I’d build in the arma Arsenal. Great vid homie!
I have surpassingly never had an issue with my 10/22 which is mostly factory. Mag dumped 4 25 rounders in a row with no issues out of it so far... so still got a long ways to go to call it reliable but so far so good.
22LR conversion makes sense for me because there isn't a lot of rifle ranges in my area, with the conversion I can go shoot on pistol ranges
Very cool
Why doesn’t a company come out with a .22 magnum conversion kit? Since they already make conversion bolts, which fixes the chamber size issue, there really isn’t a reason aside from the extra pressure needing more material to keep it from grenading. The extra case length of .22wmr might help with feeding issues, since it can still be fired out of a .22lr/.223/5.56 barrel. It would probably help with case ejection too since it’s got a bigger powder charge to run the bolt.
I can only see cost as the issue with cmmg making a .22WMR conversion kit. Makes you wonder…
Black Dog Machine .22 mags are great
Check out Borebuddy upgrades for the cmmg kits.
Dead blow weight kits, charging handle inserts to remove debris flying out of the charging handle, hardened extractors and firing pins, barrels, and a lot of other cool stuff.
P.s. cut a small fuzzy side piece of velcro and put it on the back portion of the cmmg mags where they insert into magwell. Removes the slop.
Glad you made use out of that RX01. It didn't fit the USAS 12 carry handle and it deserved to be used on something neat.
You have such good form that the 22 lr seems about the same as .223 👌
22 guns are a great option for malfunction clearing practice
The Troy McClure intro gets double likes.
looks super fun, I've been considering getting a gooseneck too for that weird dated tech look but opted for a direct-to-carry handle scope instead for the mean time
If you put a beta mag on it you’ll almost have The Patriot from MGS3.
Think it's the mags. I use all sorts of crap ammo through my CMMG kit on multiple AR's and it's almost flawless. Occasionally get a bad primer spin, sometimes get a brass over bolt deal. But if I give it a little spray lube when it starts being finicky it keeps on going. Accurate enough for me too.
I use the older GI looking mags, and Black Dog mags.
The title of the video had me absolutely beaming smiling. Sadly, SBRs and pistols are out for the question for my country. Hop, you’re an astonishingly phenomenal content creator.
That looks pretty badass. I think the build could be improved in practicality by re-configuring the gun to shoot 5.7 x 28.
You would loose the movie quiet shooting, and it would be more expensive to shoot, but everything else would be improved. It would be more reliable (cause centerfire), more accurate (due to having the correct twist rate for the cartrige), it would be easier to suppress (compared to 5.56), flatter shooting (likely flatter than 5.56 and 22lr out of a 7.5" barrel), and if you do enough mental gymnastics it could still fulfil some weird niche role to justify its existence in your safe.
Maybe like a truck/backpack gun meant to assasinate varmints and also to shoot bad guys wearing soft body armor from the 80's. haha
So spend a lot of money to make your AR less effective than if it was in 5.56, and more expensive than it was in 5.56, and retain the reliability issues because AR57s only work properly with the P90 mags?
Look up CMMG Banshee. 5.7 AR-style pistol that feeds from FN FiveSeven magazines. Comes with an 8 inch barrel
CMMG also makes 5.7 uppers and STANAG mags with 5.7 adapter inside
.22 tcm would make more sense. Although at that point just shoot 5.56. Main reason to use a smaller .22 cartridge out of an ar other than .22lr is you can make a scaled down AR, which nobody does really. But imagine a dedicated AR lower and upper for a caliber like .22tc, where everything is scaled down so you have a smaller and lighter gun.
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I think you can also train some things like target transitions. If you're doing reps on something like a plate rack, then you can do far more reps with 22lr than 223.
I think you lose a little there with the lack of recoil.
@@andreivaldez2929 yes, but there's still some value in the training, at least until you reach relatively high skill levels
@@andreivaldez2929You definitely lose that bit, but you're still swinging the rifle around for the muscle memory
Hop....Blackdog Machine LLC magazines and the Borebuddy 22lr AR Reliability Kit will improve the experience. Borebuddy also has a quiet collar for the bolt that's worth every penny.
Its giving issues because of the buffer tube and buffer, where the buffer sits affects the kit, if you have a buffer that sits pretty back in the tube the bcg will move slightly backwards into the tube causing feeding issues. A buffer tube cap which pushes the bcg forward fixes alot of issues.
Some lower magwells are much tighter than others. My target 22 lower has a loose magwell, and I put shims on the back of my magazines by the trigger guard to help them feed better. If an adventurous person wanted to, they could make new 3D printed trigger guards that extended slightly into the mag well to do the same thing without having to put shims on every magazine.
something about loading it sideways got me feelin some type of way
I love the way Hop will just drop a line like "I've never found a 10/22 that worked" or "AKs are impossible to modernize" and never acknowledge it. Just casually pissing off 70% of the gun owner community with offhand comments lol
I typically use my cmmg kit to help ease new people into shooting. Once they're comfortable, I usually just swap it out back to 5.56 for the rest of the day.
I enjoyed this video with two glasses of chocolate milk
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I like my 22 kit. Its cheaper than a dry fire system cause straight dry fire without impulse sucks imo. It helps with accuracy at 50 yards, and thats furtest i can train. Reloading drills and such are nice too.
But thats my opinion vOv. Id reccomend it to anyone who needs a reason to shoot more.
The S&W MP15-22 works for me as an AR ergonomic trainer. The bolt catch works like a centerfire AR and it takes most AR triggers.
I'm suprised Hop hasn't heard of the relia-bolt kit. It would really help with all these issues.
11:52 The amount of bolt bounce reminds me that this thing isn't designed for full auto fire lol
That face gassing is from the gas block & tube. The .22 convert is BlowBack operation.
I moved my gas block 3mm forward. Zero gas= Zero face
burn! Nice part is a very clean trigger group, charging handle etc. My SSA is too nice to fill up with .22lr sludge..
You have incurred the wrath of the 10/22 Stan! Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Seriously tho. Both of my 10/22s are damn near 100% (other than dud rounds which is just part of the rimfire experience).
Thats a really cool aesthetic for a gun!
That is absolutely fucking sweeeeet
Not the first time I’ve heard the new mags have issues
"Early 2000's tactical monstrosity". We were using these kinds of setups in the early 90's, if not the late 80's
Trijicon reflex didnt exist then. The only red dot anywhere near similar (The C-More)didnt exist until 1993.
@@kilroy5166 Who mentioned anything about Trijicon? Aimpoint, Elcan, etc. have been in use since the 80's m8. Cmore's are civilian trash anyway.
@@lioncelica5170 You used an Elcan on a carry handle gooseneck mount?
@@kilroy5166 I'm referring to dots on carry handle AR's, something that I ran for many years before moving on as more modern setups and designs became more available with time. Uppers with 1913 rails came to market in 1992 or so from what I remember, and the Canadians have been using them since even before that.
I bought a super cheap ATI omni pistol for my girl to shoot. I threw the CMMG bravo .22lr kit in it, and it runs like a dream, and is ridiculously fun to shoot. I also got her a 50 round drum mag from BlackDog Tactical. She shoots it like John Wick, its fuckin hilarious and cheap to shoot. Fun for all. That gun u built is dope too. Keep up the great work brother. I enjoy ur videos.
Thank you as always for the proper education I've come to expect from you. I quite literally use it as sustenance to keep me happy, healthy, and strong, so i can kick metaphorical ass ALL DAY LONG! -Not night though because i haven't gone down the 'night vision money hole' yet.
I have the older CMMG bolt with mags, and as others have mentioned, mine has been completely reliable with whatever I have put through it. WITH the exception of the 710fps subs from CCI, but thats honestly not surprising. Even the gas blow back isnt bad when I put it on my 11.5" 5.56, but that could be do to me using a 300SPS can.
Try Black Dog mags. My Sig 522 has similar issues chambering the first round with CMMG AR15/22 mags
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