BOSS Waza Tube Amp Expander vs Universal Audio OX | Better Music

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  • @bruceegnater7450
    @bruceegnater7450 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Both sound quite different. The issue I have with this type of comparison is that there is no real common reference. If each box is attempting to mimic a specific cabinet, speaker, mic etc. You need the third common reference which would be the actual physical cabs/mics to see how close they sound to the 'real" reference. in other words, we are listened to two very different sounding gadgets but we don't know which one is "correct" or closer to the real cabinet.

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks for your feedback Bruce, it's appreciated.
      🤘🏼

    • @u182155
      @u182155 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely agree Bruce. It needs to be the real deal, versus the two imitators. Then you truly understand which is the closest. I have owned the Ox, plus a Suhr reactive load and a couple of others. I run a Friedman BE100 and have been ultimately disappointed. Really hoping the Boss gets closer.

    • @harrybee3093
      @harrybee3093 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For me it is important that it sounds good even if it does not sound as the original. And does the one and only original exist?

    • @johnheath970
      @johnheath970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      YES! This video is nonsense

    • @SuprachargerMusic
      @SuprachargerMusic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you watch the video they are trying to get them closest to a third point of reference. So you have to trust their word and watch the video.

  • @FrostySnowman47
    @FrostySnowman47 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job here - thank you for taking the time and effort to make this video.
    I have been trying to make a decision between the 2 for some time and this was very helpful.
    The IR, attenuation, and analog cab adjustment make the choice easy for me.
    The comments under here by all these yahoos chiming in with which one sounds better was also very entertaining.
    Thanks again.
    🤘🏽🎩

  • @WurzHurz
    @WurzHurz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The problem I see in this test is that you guys disabled one mic in the OX, right? But the Ox is designed to sound great with two mics. To turn one off just because the Boss has only one, cuts the sound-quality of the OX in half. I just bought the OX and it sounds so real! I compare it to the real speaker sound and I get it sounding even better in the OX. For live the Boss might be better, but for home-use or studio-use, when you want the most perfect speaker sims, the OX is still it. LLLLLove it! ;-)

  • @brandoncook2560
    @brandoncook2560 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of both. Exactly what I was thinking the whole time, they’re both awesome. Thanks gents

  • @matthewroach4729
    @matthewroach4729 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Which of these products best represents the amp's original tone?? Should have had a 3rd Friedman amp hooked up to a cab. That way we could see which box maintained the original amp sound the best. Obviously need to use the most common cab used with that model of Friedman amp. I think an A-B-C comparison would have been better. It's hard to judge which product is better without comparing it to the original sound. How do I know which is better if I don't know what the original sound is? What is the baseline in this science experiment?? I understand the video is showing that each product sounds different, but how does that make a difference to the customer, when the customer is purchasing this hoping that it maintains the original tone and sound of their amp through its most commonly used cabinet. I appreciate the effort and work that was put into this video, but unfortunately my questions went unanswered.

  • @dandyism7288
    @dandyism7288 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    No idea which one is more realistic.. but Boss sounds were more pleasant to my ears in general.

  • @r.llynch4124
    @r.llynch4124 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Besides the lack of foot switch on the OX the attenuation knob changes in notches which is not very good imo . The boss has a smooth attenuation adjustment much better imo. Looks like Boss is the Boss. You get much more for the same money with the Boss.

  • @bonefacio
    @bonefacio 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    First video I've seen comparing both systems at the same time. Appreciate the review, but I also feel as if the comparison lacked a common reference. But still, I do appreciate that you had both boxes side by side. Apples & Oranges from the sound of them, for sure. The only common thing they have going is price. :)
    I own an OX, and am amazed at some of the preset cabs and how good they sound. Having experience with some of the actual cabs themselves, but not all of the mics, the presets are very accurate to their physical counterparts. All of my current studio recordings are top notch, tube frying tone. That being said...
    The WAZA has way more features, and the variable attenuation is something I wish the OX had instead of its step switch. The WAZA is also more stage friendly. If I had waited about 8 months, then I would've ended up all over the WAZA, but am very satisfied with my OX, and it is now an integral part of my live setup. I am running the line out from the OX to a Mission powered cab, and am able to travel with my studio sound intact with or without a regular cab and still feed the FOH if need to.
    When combined with a regular cab, the sound stage is mesmerizing. I can get lost in its tone for hours. Oh how I would love to have a WAZA, but just can't take that $1300 plunge again...
    Universal Audio needs to step up their game...the WAZA is hands down the far more superior system on the market today, and with the useless plugs on the back, no android support and no updates to the OX since its release, you'll start to see many used ones on ebay! C'mon UA, time for an update, don't you think?!?!???

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Interesting thoughts Mikey! Thanks for the feedback.
      🤘🏼

  • @talhafatihuzun
    @talhafatihuzun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Put 3rd party IRs on the Boss and it sounds awesome. And the attenuation on Boss with a real cabinet is great.

  • @MrDavemiley
    @MrDavemiley 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    To me ears the OX Box sounded a little to processed /Hi-Fi where as then Boss Was sounded more natural / organic. I am sure with Ir's and some tweaking one could get the Boss to sound closer to teh OX Box and visa versa . On another side note . . . I wish quite a few drummers I have had to deal with would learn to not play so loud !! Hint all guitar solos do not require the drummer to beat the scrap out of the ride cymbal like the enemy jamming my frequency making it extremely difficult to play a tasteful/soulful lead part. :( LOL

  • @monkeyxx
    @monkeyxx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I hate to say it but UA is not that great at guitar amp emulation for my taste/experience, having owned Apollo interfaces and emulation plugins. Their best stuff was coded by Brainworx. Boss IS A GUITAR COMPANY and have been for a long time. I liked some of the OX examples, but they seem more midrange focused. The Boss almost sounds scooped next to it, but has more chunk in the low end. Completely different sounds. I think the fact that you can load four IR's of your own choosing sells the BOSS to me almost instantly. In the video you said the OX is Mac only but I just checked the UA downloads and they have Windows drivers now. Both of these products do So Much that it's a little hard to navigate all of it but this is a helpful overview video.

  • @denismguitar1552
    @denismguitar1552 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Quite different. Hard to compare. The Ox has UAD plug-ins available for use which are stunningly good. The software on iPad with the Ox makes tonal shaping so easy, and crazy good. I’m going with the Ox.

  • @Kevdogma72
    @Kevdogma72 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The boss sounds more processed to me it’s roomy I guess, I own the OX and you could get that sound. The OX in this demonstration sounds very flat.
    Definitely the attenuator side the waza is so much better! Didn’t know the waza was coming out oh well I still love the cab sim part of the OX.
    Great Comparison!

  • @vix144
    @vix144 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison guys. !! I’ve ordered the boss waza only because it’s going on the road and I wanna try it with my little Supro 1606r , the Ox looks great though nice kit for the studio !! 🤘

  • @harrybee3093
    @harrybee3093 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I think a big plus of the OX is the possibility to combine the sound of two mics.

  • @tdous
    @tdous 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never heard of you guys before. Good feel to this video, nice chemistry. Being one of the first (maybe the first...?) to compare these will surely do well for you.

  • @bouadie2007
    @bouadie2007 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Her's the best mistake when you set the OX line out level. Don't go over 6 otherwise it will sounds harsh. I found out that the line output is really high output.

    • @jz6965
      @jz6965 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah Buddy, found the same thing, and also digital clipping. It seems that 4 to 5 1/2 is sort of a good spot into an Apollo X4, but can be changed via input pre on interface ect...Haven't tried the Ox live yet but I would think it would be great as well. Thanks for bringing up the line out on the OX.

  • @stratjunky
    @stratjunky 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to hear which of the two closest sound matches the original cabs. Of the OX is known that at High gain a lot of top end is lost which is also in most two notes the problem, so a test with the OX or the Boss placed between the amps and without the amps would produce a better comparison.

  • @maurodicapua3605
    @maurodicapua3605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is my little experience.
    I tried both,had the ox for 2 weeks in my studio.
    Regarding the tones and workflow Ox is another league.
    Boss wins about features and ins and out ,etc...
    As musician all I need is great tones , super fast and easy workflow .
    The ox let me just think about my playing....and it's a very inspiring tool

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Interesting take! Thanks for commenting Mauro!
      🤘🏼

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @4eektone Being Australia's best music store has its perks 🤘🏼

    • @maurodicapua3605
      @maurodicapua3605 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @4eektone I tried at Namm in January , sounded great but more complex than the ox . The app in the ox is very easy to use . The boss has way more features ,like the line level , which is a great thing.

    • @nmdpa3
      @nmdpa3 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The differences will be much more pronounced when comparing live vs studio use. After extensive use with the OX, IMO it falls totally short in its capabilities live. The Boss appears to address all of the shortcomings of the OX for live performances (xlr connectors for outputs, ground lifts for outputs, multiple line outs, dual speaker cab outs, the onboard amp that allows more flexibility in volume reduction, the huge benefit of increasing volume of a small amp with the Boss, the ability to use the GAFC live to change presets, a working USB interface, not having to use an iPad app to make changes, etc.)

  • @sixstringsamurai77
    @sixstringsamurai77 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Having experience with the Friedman, the BOSS sounds much truer to the actual amp 🙂

  • @GEARHAVEN
    @GEARHAVEN 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review, guys. =D

  • @colaboytje
    @colaboytje 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    For attenuation: the Boss is the better choice.

  • @BPToneReview
    @BPToneReview 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for the vid guys but something isn’t right in your signal chain. Both sound pretty horrible and I own the Ox. I own Suhr guitars and Friedman amps, the Ox sounds phenomenal recorded. Is the A/B box causing a signal loss, what is your recording interface?

    • @SCgroove
      @SCgroove 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought that too. I have yet to hear one of these boxes demonstrated in a TH-cam video (another example here: th-cam.com/video/nQ_WMq3vdxs/w-d-xo.html) where it sounds like I'm in the room with an amp ... any yet many folks are highly touting them and I don't suspect they are lying. These are probably both great devices. But if you compare the sound of this video to, say, the demonstration videos of someone like RJ Ronquillo (great amp like tones on all his videos), most of these demos just sound more processed and like they are coming out of a cheap, Zoom multi-effects unit or something. I'm talking here about the audio quality only ... These two guys seem great, and very helpful ... not trying to dis them at all.

    • @ChrisJones-ht9zn
      @ChrisJones-ht9zn 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Totally agree. I have the Ox and it sounds phenomenal. Watch Pete Thorn and see how a unit should be demo’d

  • @desertrain4026
    @desertrain4026 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL! You must have had the WAZA set incorrectly? Something because mine doesn't sound as flat as the WAZA TAE Y'all played through. Maybe the way you had everything mic'd? I hear phasing...

  • @MrKingtonejoe
    @MrKingtonejoe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did you let the ox clip... Did you not here it ?

    • @rgamps5726
      @rgamps5726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      exactly, very amaturish mistake...

  • @elgravos
    @elgravos 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're doing it wrong... The Boss clearly has some room mixed in to its single mic option. The Ox allows you to blend that in to taste with the additional two mics. which includes the room ambiance mic. It's apples and oranges as you are doing it which is why the Ox sounds so dry. With all mic options going, the Ox is generally head and shoulders above the Waza (except for the high gain as we're still waiting on those V30 / Mesa cabs...).

  • @jimini2419
    @jimini2419 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To my ears, The Ox sounds infinitely better
    and so it should, given that it's Universal Audio.
    No contest !! However, The Boss Waza does have some cool features, I must admit. Many Thanks for the enjoyable review. You make some great observations as to the differences, and 'The Pros and Cons', between these two units.

  • @paultae4674
    @paultae4674 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for vid...I'm buying the boss

  • @mmatthewias280
    @mmatthewias280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every Ox I ever hear always has this “clipping” sound to the high end where it gets flubby/farty. I know a lot of musicians/guitarist that are way better than me that really like them but to my ear they just sound flubby.

  • @emilweideborg5814
    @emilweideborg5814 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys i need you opinion on the ox is better or the boss for cleans think SRV Hendrix John mayer and its for Borg live looping with boss rc 505 ?

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your question. Both are fantastic products and will serve you well. Given it’s for live use, the Boss Tube Amp Expander is potentially more suited to live use (combined with the GAFC footswitch) as it’ll give a bit more flexibility in a live setting and is built for the road where as the UA Ox is primarily designed as a studio tool. I hope this helps?
      ✌🏻

  • @alanohagan6999
    @alanohagan6999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hmm tried the OX and in all fairness it was awesome and the compression was probably the best I’ve ever heard however it didn’t suit my Amps so eventually and regrettably she was sold. Now a few months later along comes the Boss which seems to tick every box.
    So do I go back to the OX and change the amp of just get the Boss.
    Killing me

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's a hard choice 😂

  • @kolbybutt9685
    @kolbybutt9685 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My question is can you run a cranked 150 watt amp into it cranked or is it like cabs where you should run a cab twice the watt handling as the amp, so you should only run a 70 watt amp into the boxes

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      You should never exceed the wattage, as long as it’s beneath the combined wattage of the speakers.
      🤘🏼

    • @kolbybutt9685
      @kolbybutt9685 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bettermusic well yeah of course but to say if i did run a 150 watt amp into the tube amp expander and the amp was cranked would that still be safe?

    • @bettermusic
      @bettermusic  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it would be safe.
      🤘🏼

  • @javiermp81
    @javiermp81 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sorry guys, but IMO this video totally missed the point, as you disabled two of the three mics in the OX “to make it fair”. That’s like comparing if I can run faster than Usain Bolt, and allowing Usain to run with only one leg, just to make it a fair race... unless you’re trying to rig the race because of a sponsorship, of course... The three mic combination is what makes the OX sound full and detailed. In my experience, the OX has a phenomenal and unparalleled sound quality (maybe less on the really high-gain extreme), but the product is not quite ripe (see useless foot-switch and USB inputs). The Waza TAE has hands down the best feature and connectivity pack of any similar product out there, period. It truly expands an amp’s capabilities, and the sound quality is very good.
    In the end I think it’s sound vs. features and ease of use. I personally hate having to connect my computer for deep editing like with the Waza, I don’t care how easy it is to use the software. Plus I like it that the OX gives you an analog through to your cab.

  • @SeriousTipStudio
    @SeriousTipStudio 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the information, but ten minutes of talking before you started playing was a bit too much for me.

  • @alanohagan6999
    @alanohagan6999 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Plus the boss is an audio interface

  • @ianmcfarland512
    @ianmcfarland512 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 421 was the wrong mic to choose for this comparison. The mic has 5 response settings on it for vocals to instrument micing. Should have used everybody's initial go-to - a Shure SM-57.

  • @Bobby_Uterus
    @Bobby_Uterus 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    you guys forgot to mention that the attenuation on the Ox is trash.

  • @johnheath970
    @johnheath970 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long do you have to keep this video up? Give the money back and save your pride.

  • @groundzerro
    @groundzerro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    UA ox brittle thin, Waza warm could change the attenuator, clarity in the UA ox from this review hold my ears brittle. Give me the boss with it eqed properly. UD always harsh not like tubes. So these are both good but review is poor.

  • @tranqbee6543
    @tranqbee6543 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    We have 2 Ox Boxes and one Waza...The sound and articulation from the Ox is head and shoulder above the the Waza
    ..it’s
    expressive dynamics and just crushes the Waza. We rarely have anybody pick the Waza when tracking tube head
    guitar tracks. The UA converters an speaker algorithms are such high quality that running a cranked 800
    through the ox is a religious experience.

    • @xprophet9
      @xprophet9 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Such biased crap! The Waza blows the Ox away. I purchased both with the Ox being my first purchase. I was not impressed! Same dull lifeless tone. The Waza is for rock snd metal while the old Ox is for bubble gum!

    • @heythere6983
      @heythere6983 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had seen someone on the forum that had all these popular devices and they explained how the ox has the worst reactive load by far.
      I personally want a great attenuator first. Iv never found any ir recording sounds like any song Iv loved frok professionals .
      Although I do know the band jimmy eat world used axe effects on their recent stuff, the song congratulations comes to mind. It has the sound I tend to always associate with non mic’Ed amp sounds, kinda dry and sterile sounding guitars

  • @RemcoJvGrevenbroek
    @RemcoJvGrevenbroek 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sound liker thrre is more "room" in the boss
    Also soundd a bit off axes miced

    • @fuzzbear7837
      @fuzzbear7837 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hey remco! Grappig dat ik jou hier tegenkom😎

    • @RemcoJvGrevenbroek
      @RemcoJvGrevenbroek 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fuzzbear7837 ja grappig was al een oude post

  • @exoes2007
    @exoes2007 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The last comparison wasn’t seemed fair...

  • @mickhill6972
    @mickhill6972 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I'd known the Boss Was coming out I'd have bought that with all its extra features. As it is I have my Ox. So I'm kinda feeling short changed. But that's sods law for you. What features will be on the Ox 11? After seeing this and other similar comparison sites I'm left with selling my Ox or keeping it for home use. The Boss is undoubtedly the winner and a killing machine especially when used with the Boss GA-FC. Anybody who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves!

  • @nmdpa3
    @nmdpa3 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    To make this a tone comparison vs a feature comparison seems pretty subjective since the preset tone stacks for each device could have been set any of a thousand ways for each device. No detailed information was give on the preset configurations, so I'm left feeling the tone comparison was not accurate.

  • @rgamps5726
    @rgamps5726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had to stop watching 15 minutes in... there's a static hair in the decay of your tracks as if the trim needs to be cut back or something in the EQ needs to be dropped... Other than that, Neither one of those boxes sound as good as the real deal. they sound overly compressed in a extremely fake way.

  • @candydormizzi2500
    @candydormizzi2500 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Waza for the win .

  • @kambion
    @kambion 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OX sounds way better; it sounds like the original tone.

  • @mika-hp5ch
    @mika-hp5ch ปีที่แล้ว

    Two notes wins

  • @Biggerbyte
    @Biggerbyte 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    It all sounds sputtery and terrible to me.