Hello Chopin fans! I hope you're enjoying story time with Alan Walker. Just a reminder that you can listen to full episodes every Wednesday when the audio is released to podcast platforms, several days before the video segments arrive. Here's Episode 1: Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-chopin-podcast/id1765998900 Spotify: open.spotify.com/episode/2hNW9BuUCK0z2adPHhqArh Audible: www.audible.com/podcast/The-Chopin-Podcast/B0DFVRVCX4 Meanwhile, did you know the Preludes will be BACK this coming year at the Chopin Competition? It's been a while since they were actually required, and it's always fun when they are (this time competitors will be given a choice between groups of 6 consecutive Preludes). You can watch a prelude of the Preludes at the US National Competition in Miami this January, where I'll attending and hosting the livestreams from backstage. Make sure to subscribe to the Chopin Foundation channel so you can catch all the talented young pianists and be on the look out for the next medalist in Warsaw: www.youtube.com/@chopinfoundationoftheunite8079 You also won't want to miss my debut as a piano competition correspondent...
I am a huge fan of Alan Walker, his 3 part biography of liszt is incredible. To those in the comments i see harping on whether or not things are 100% undeniable facts with 12 sources, id suggest reading a wikipedia article or something if you want a bland list of facts. Walker writes in a compelling narrative style and makes no bones about things being stories, or related by 2nd or 3rd hand sources. He is also incredibly thorough and never shy to point out the shakiness of one story or another. Its the way great biographies and histories have been written since Plutarch and i hope we get back to this being the norm, rather than cold, grey lists of facts.
I also read and really enjoyed Walker's biography, and agree that I always got the sense that he was very careful about the veracity of things. He was always ruthless about separating facts from fiction, while also open to making educated guesses as long as they're called out and properly justified with other facts.
Listening to Alan Walker talk of Chopin, is the most riveting stories I've heard in years and enjoyed it to the fullest having just read his Chopin bo--and YES it is quite a page turner.
@@masadiceronio4577 Don't know what to tell you...he's very clearly reading something to the side in the first couple of minutes (haven't watched any further yet). Which is not supposed to be bad or anything!
After having devoured the Walker Chopin biography, I gave my copy to my friends David Finckel and Wu Han, neither of whom had ever heard of Professor Walker. A couple of weeks later I heard from them both expressing astonishment about the book, just as I had after having read it. I am now well into the third volume of Walkers biography of Liszt which is life changing for me. Wu Han and David were so taken with the Chopin book that they purchased several copies to give to friends as holiday gifts! Can't recommend Walker any higher!
i t is amazing to me how subjective music perception and taste is. To me Chopin is always the pleasure of enjoying the abstraction of sentimentality, as in an infinite combination of all possibilities of feeling, but not any particular feeling, more or less sad. "Chopin is not a representational composer", he's not Liszt or Wagner, and I don't have to care about malady with him more than I have to care about Lutheran church going with Bach.
When I was studying French literature at university, Chopin was known as George Sand's boyfriend. Now that I am an amateur classical pianist in training, Sand was Chopin's girlfriend. 🫠
"Music does express and reflect the life of the mind." Is that right? Does music come from the mind? Well, yes it does in the same way that the packaging of a product does that for the product. I would "express" it differently. The product itself is the visceral emotion that wells up in the "heart" and flows forth into the packaging that the mind puts into form. Without both, you have either Clementi or Scriabin (in his later works). Chopin, like Mozart, Brahms, Bach and Beethoven, was a master craftsman who was able to fashion the raw emotion he was feeling into architectural masterworks that will live forever as long as civilization survives on earth.
Fascinating talk (provided it's true). I play the easiest - number 7 in A major - and I roll that big chord. That way it sounds even better. My favourite is not that one - I think it's number 13 (it's a very soft one). Lovely pieces, those preludes,. His scherzi are my favourite. Followed by his mazurkas. What are yours Ben? s. Tiffany Poon does the best set I have ever heard. Heard her live. Her virtuosity was breath-taking.
The foundation picture, far left, was my good friend from High School, Dean Kramer. He would occasionally help me out with accompianment for the Mozart Clarinet Concerto. I was also a musicology student of Charles Rosen when he was at Stony Brook University, 1975. That makes me 4 degrees from Chopin and I therefore know everything. I am not convinced about a connection between Bach C# and Raindrops, but I think composers probably don't always recognize what is milling around the brain when they compose - there only 144 combinations of three notes so there is bound to be some repetition. I knew a guy once who wanted to start a field of study called Psychomusicology; probably unnecesary and I don't know how far he got past his phd. I agree with Ben that there is not necessarily a black and white division between programatic and 'pure' music and certainly we can usually talk at least about moods with lesser or greater specificity. I don't think of the Brahms Violin Concerto as programatic but in the 2nd movement, Juliet is definately on the balcony going through a range of emotions as she waits for the slimeball Romeo to show up. Without other confirmation, I don't think I can claim this to be the truth. -Seth
Hey, I just today (Sunday 10/6/24) bought a used copy of this very Alan Walker book at Powell's Books of Chicago. Used $7.50. Very cool to see this podcast pop up.
Powell's is always a good choice - good old fashioned bookstore with wonderful character and characters. I found a biography of Rudolph Serkin there that a photo of him playing the saxophone! Serkin liked programming the preludes as a complete cycle by the way.
First of all, thank you for consistently providing such high-quality content and insightful perspectives on the historical aspects of master composers. Regarding Chopin's F minor prelude, I believe it presents an intriguing opportunity to explore the influence his contemporaries may have had on him. For instance, Robert Schumann composed Fantasiestücke, Op. 12 in 1837, about a year before Chopin's Preludes. I find a compelling similarity between the opening themes of Chopin’s F minor prelude and Schumann's second piece, Aufschwung. Both are in F minor, and they share significant melodic similarities, prompting the question: How indifferent was Chopin to his contemporaries, particularly Schumann? I have read Walker's biography, which claims Chopin was not particularly fond of the music of his contemporaries. However, from my research, I have not found substantial evidence to fully support these claims. For instance, it is alleged that Chopin commented favorably only on the cover page of Schumann's Kreisleriana before seemingly disregarding the work itself. Yet, I have never come across a letter or trustworthy source to validate this narrative. It seems that much of what we know about these composers is shaped by biased views and gossip that have grown over time. If these accounts were reevaluated today by the composers themselves, much of what has been written might be disputed. With this in mind, I believe it would be stimulating to create a video examining Chopin’s relationships with his contemporaries, using validated sources-if any exist-to challenge or support these long-standing assumptions.
George Sand was a woman? I just started learning about Chopin a couple of weeks ago, and everything I watched just said "lover, George Sand, a poet." I...made some assumptions. 😅 Thought maybe somebody could get a laugh at my expense. Although I'm laughing with you.
I learned a lot of great detail - a great video, Ben. Also, I had no idea Chopin marked the WTC scores for performance... I agree Chopin was a purist ("absolute music"). But the distinction between "mind" and "world" I found too sharply drawn by AW. But if the Revolutionary Étude just isn't about the fall of Warsaw, for however many reasons, so be it... ! AW is clearly a very rigorous scholar. The Liszt volumes are exceptional.
Is The Chopin Podcast going to be in a Preludes form, all in 12 episodes, each in two segments? One analyzed by practitioners and the other by musicologists
It varies, but the general structure is: 1) Garrick breaks down the music at the piano 2) 1-2 guests, touching on other aspects of history and pianism related to the given genre 3) Jed Distler recommended recordings Often one of the guests will be a former medalist of the Chopin competition, and we’ll watch and react to their competition performance together and they’ll also reflect on the competition and the music itself. But in general the episodes will be balanced between the music itself, the interpretation and performance of the music, the history of the music, and the legacy of recordings of the music.
Your videos are great Ben ! I'm composing my first book of 24 preludes and Chopin is a huge inspiration. I see preludes as etudes on musical forms, I wonder if you could comment on that
by the way - I'm not sure I agree you at 13:42 or so - or with Herr Professor that Chopin's music was 'always without reference - after all did he not say that the opening of his scherzo number 2 was supposed to represent someone asking if there was any alternative to death - the following ff chords are death's answer 'NO'. I thought Chopin was supposed to have said that (or something like it). If that's not representational, I don't know what is. Do check out my own scherzo composition. It's actually the same as my first prelude but with some scales added, if I recall. I now see that the middle of it is quite similar to the second movement of his '2nd concerto' (written before his number 1). I must have been subconsciously affected by Tiffany Poon's incredibly beautiful live rendition of that concerto (on YT). But I didn't intentionally copy it.
Didn’t understand the middle of this video. Chopin always struck me as a composer with some very modern sensibilities. The left hand of prelude 3 is something so modern, it doesn’t seem to belong to that era. Number 2 is bizarre and crunchy, purposely ugly and rude. The searing middle line in prelude 1 that cuts through mid way. #10 with the jagged lines that shoot down and scatter like lightning. Where else do you find rhythm like that prior? Maybe his forms were older, but when I listen style is more of a defining factor.
@@cadriver2570 sometimes the most radical and forward-looking composers are also considered classically-minded or conservative in their time. Bach is probably the best example. And Chopin was avowedly a classicist in his forms and aesthetics, and did not identify with the modern currents of his time developed most notably Berlioz and Liszt. And yet, just as you say, his style and rhythm and harmony were totally audacious for the 19th century.
Great job, Ben. Postscript WOJCIECH or the secret of the Polish "ch" explained. The "c" before "h" is a marker for the voicelessness of the vowel "h"/1/, which should be pronounced as "h" in "hood". No exception to the rule. /1/ Yes, you're right, we have a voiced "h" in Polish which, as far as I know, does not exist in English.
@@benlawdy To be honest, you surprised me Ben with the correct pronunciation of a difficult surname Świtała. By the way, yesterday I watched ‘Preludes. Episode 1’. Thank you very much for this informative film. And also this conversation with my favourite, the great American pianist Garrick Ohlsson - a pleasure in itself.
Not an expert, but I think we typically voice the H in English, as in harmony or high or (indeed) hood. Exceptions involving an unvoiced H might be where another consonant sound immediately follows, as in hue or Hugh which make the /hy/ sound. I do get what you're saying about the Polish "ch" sound, though, and appreciate the lesson. :)
Exactly. But he wasn't too happy about them when he wrote: 'je corrige pour moi l'édition Parisienne de Bach, non seulement les fautes du graveur mais des fautes acdéditées par ceux que passent pour comprendre Bach.'
So he did! Although in the sample page I found of the C# major prelude Chopin appears to have intensified a Czerny forte to a fortissimo and replaced Czerny's horizontal accents with vertical ones.
at 22:43 you ask whether some of his ideas didn't come from Bach - well I actually had a similar thought regarding Beethoven's use of Bach's c minor prelude for his Pathetique sonata - I made an 'etude' out of the two - th-cam.com/video/9W6Z_4Kd2SU/w-d-xo.html Poon did the first 2 preludes and fugues in her astounding London performance (as well as Schumann, Ravel, Schubert-Liszt, Rachmaninoff-Kreisler etc etc)
16:52 I have utmost respect for Alan Walker but I don't consider this Wessel example proof that Chopin was against attaching imagery to his music. It's only proof that Chopin was against Wessel's naming of his pieces, which were obviously ridiculous (the "Sighs" and the "Meditation" are, in the words of today's generation, cringe af). There are multiple historic accounts of Chopin also attaching imagery to his own music or being inspired by his surroundings, which even Walker records in his own book. Chopin's 1st concerto 2nd movement was called a "romance" and Chopin describes it as "glancing at a place that evokes many fond memories". His student reports that his Op. 25 No. 1 etude is like a shepherd boy playing flute in a cave while avoiding a storm. And there's the clock imitation in the Op. 28 No. 17 bass notes. His minute waltz was reportedly inspired by seeing a dog chasing its own tail. Many students of Chopin also reported that Chopin often used imagery to describe how they should play passages (e.g. see Eigeldinger's introduction of "Chopin: pianist and teacher"). Some of these stories are maybe more hearsay than others, but one other sure fact is that Chopin was a master at mimicry, both in-person and with the piano, so I think it's no accident that his works evoke sounds/experiences in the real world. Perhaps the distinction to be made here is that maybe Chopin was against being "prescriptive" with imagery, but not imagery itself - that is, he encourages imagery but wants to let it be open to interpretation for the performer.
Yes, it is pretty clear from several of Chopin's letters and several different testimonies of his students that he abhorred musical pieces to be NAMED (because that reduces a piece to whatever it is named after and limits the imagination of the auditor/performer). However, he indeed never said in any surviving letter - at least letters I had access to - that he didn't want music being attached to images and metaphors. In the letters of his student Friederike Müller (fantastic book, around 230 letters filled with journals of her 6 years of lessons with Chopin and lots of details about his private life with Sand) Fräulein Müller quotes Chopin several times describing a musical piece with scenery during a lesson. What he clearly disliked was limiting a piece to that ONE definition. But he was a capricious person. He certainly did contradict himself at times and changed his opinions as well. Sand - although I do not trust her to be the most reliable source of information on Chopin, most of all decades after his death - did recall in her AB his anger over her comparison of his Prelude 28/15 with rain, however.
Wow that might be right. I knew he didn't write much it in it, but I can't think of another one either. Not even a Mazurka. Maybe he was afraid of the key... we know he taught Beethoven's Tempest and wanted Mozart's Requieum played at his funeral, so the tonality meant a lot to him. Maybe too much. Reminds me of B minor and Beethoven. The only published work by Beethoven in B minor is the op. 126 No. 4 Bagatelle. I'm convinced that he finally faced his fear of that key and some deep misgivings he had about the tonality, and actually that piece so my ears is about the tonality itself, and its tension with the much more amenable C major right next door.
@@andrewanderson6121 I’m afraid that book is based on misinformation received from Wanda Landowska. It tell the story of the wrong piano, the one Walker refers to as having been removed from Cell #2 after a recent lawsuit was settled and it was proven the instrument was not manufactured until after Chopin’s death. It fooled many great musicians over the past century, and also misled Mr. Kildea. Walker documents all of this in his forthcoming revised edition of his Chopin biography.
Chopin hardly wrote anything in D minor. A Prelude, an early Polonaise, two songs (with Polish texts) -- that's it. I've always wondered why -- but no wonder, if D minor represents death.
Pretty disappointed that Walker refused to accept Laude's suggestion that outside circumstances and elements will influence, mostly unconsciously, what happens in one's mind. Laude gets it right there. The assertion that the life of the mind is a totally different thing that the life of the outside world is scientifically incorrect and smacks of post-modern nonsense. From an evolutionary point of view, it would make no sense for the mind to ignore the outside world. So yes, music is a reflection of the mind, but the mind is itself a reflection (to at least some extent) of the world, whether consciously or not.
To be fair, I don’t think this is what Walker is saying. It sounded to me more that Walker is pushing back against the simplistic idea that artists’ works are merely a reflection of their external circumstances: if they fall in love, they write something happy; if someone dies, they write something sad. I understood Walker to be saying that one cannot ignore the internal. And that certain artists are more influenced by external, and others are more influenced by internal. He feels that Chopin is more of the latter kind of artist, and Chopin certainly thought of himself that way. Whether Walker (or Chopin) is right in that assessment is a point for debate, but I think it’s a reasonable debate to have!
Walker talks about the end of the d-minor prelude being like “death knocking on the door,” as Chopin was very ill at the time. I don’t hear him denying that there could be a connection between Chopin’s life circumstances and the music, only that the composer actively resisted the idea.
You seem to have misunderstood or not listened attentively enough: Walker says quite clearly " music does reflect the life of the mind" 15:30. But Chopin did not try to represent concrete elements of nature - like raindrops.
@@Seenall you’re not completely tripping. The original Zoom audio was mediocre so I did my best to improve it, but it sounded like he had a mouth full of rice pudding. So I cleaned it up and enhanced it using an AI podcasting software. That might add a slight artificial veneer to it, but it’s still very much him, and much clearer than otherwise.
Hello Chopin fans! I hope you're enjoying story time with Alan Walker. Just a reminder that you can listen to full episodes every Wednesday when the audio is released to podcast platforms, several days before the video segments arrive. Here's Episode 1:
Apple: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-chopin-podcast/id1765998900
Spotify: open.spotify.com/episode/2hNW9BuUCK0z2adPHhqArh
Audible: www.audible.com/podcast/The-Chopin-Podcast/B0DFVRVCX4
Meanwhile, did you know the Preludes will be BACK this coming year at the Chopin Competition? It's been a while since they were actually required, and it's always fun when they are (this time competitors will be given a choice between groups of 6 consecutive Preludes). You can watch a prelude of the Preludes at the US National Competition in Miami this January, where I'll attending and hosting the livestreams from backstage. Make sure to subscribe to the Chopin Foundation channel so you can catch all the talented young pianists and be on the look out for the next medalist in Warsaw: www.youtube.com/@chopinfoundationoftheunite8079
You also won't want to miss my debut as a piano competition correspondent...
I am a huge fan of Alan Walker, his 3 part biography of liszt is incredible.
To those in the comments i see harping on whether or not things are 100% undeniable facts with 12 sources, id suggest reading a wikipedia article or something if you want a bland list of facts. Walker writes in a compelling narrative style and makes no bones about things being stories, or related by 2nd or 3rd hand sources. He is also incredibly thorough and never shy to point out the shakiness of one story or another. Its the way great biographies and histories have been written since Plutarch and i hope we get back to this being the norm, rather than cold, grey lists of facts.
I also read and really enjoyed Walker's biography, and agree that I always got the sense that he was very careful about the veracity of things. He was always ruthless about separating facts from fiction, while also open to making educated guesses as long as they're called out and properly justified with other facts.
Listening to Alan Walker talk of Chopin, is the most riveting stories I've heard in years and enjoyed it to the fullest having just read his Chopin bo--and YES it is quite a page turner.
Wow, what a distinguished guest you've brought, Ben! It's amazing how lucid Dr. Walker is in his ninety-fourth year.
He speaks so perfectly and organized that it’s as if he’s reading from a book. Amazing.
@@Chopin-Etudes-Cosplay Doesn't diminish the fact he's extremely lucid at 94, but he pretty obviously *is* reading from a script
Does not seem like he's reading. Obviously he has studied these facts so deeply....it's part of him by now.
@@masadiceronio4577 Don't know what to tell you...he's very clearly reading something to the side in the first couple of minutes (haven't watched any further yet).
Which is not supposed to be bad or anything!
As he's clearly answering Ben's questions in a live interview it seems absurd to imply he's reading previously written answers!!
After having devoured the Walker Chopin biography, I gave my copy to my friends David Finckel and Wu Han, neither of whom had ever heard of Professor Walker. A couple of weeks later I heard from them both expressing astonishment about the book, just as I had after having read it. I am now well into the third volume of Walkers biography of Liszt which is life changing for me. Wu Han and David were so taken with the Chopin book that they purchased several copies to give to friends as holiday gifts! Can't recommend Walker any higher!
Fascinating! Alan Walker’s biography of Chopin is a must read. 😎🎹
Time ticking, with death lurking is what I feel in hearing the middle section of the prelude in d flat
i t is amazing to me how subjective music perception and taste is. To me Chopin is always the pleasure of enjoying the abstraction of sentimentality, as in an infinite combination of all possibilities of feeling, but not any particular feeling, more or less sad. "Chopin is not a representational composer", he's not Liszt or Wagner, and I don't have to care about malady with him more than I have to care about Lutheran church going with Bach.
What a wonderful book and author, thanks!
Fantastic video. Lots of stuff I didn't about Chopin. Very insightful.
What a delight.
thanks
I'm so pleased to see and hear Alan Walker having read his excellent x3 volume biography of Liszt.
Thank you for this video. Looking forward for the next video
Ben's material has been amazing since he went with his own channel. And I'm not saying it's because of the move.
How I miss Mr. Walker. This was such a treat to the eyes and ears. 🌻
When I was studying French literature at university, Chopin was known as George Sand's boyfriend. Now that I am an amateur classical pianist in training, Sand was Chopin's girlfriend. 🫠
@@sun-youngsunnykim8794 lol Og odd celebrity couple. Reminds me of Amelia Earhart and Gore Vidal.
@@jisyang8781 Well, I've never read Sand but have played Chopin. 😛
Sand is one of the most overblown figures in France, a big influencer and propagandist, a less-than-mediocre writer and a misguided aesthetitian.
@Cipricus Sounds about right. She wasn't important enough to be taught in my program.
Wonderful. Thank you so much! This is best video I have seen in a long time. Keep on with the good work.
Brilliant presentation on all levels....thank you Ben!
"Music does express and reflect the life of the mind." Is that right? Does music come from the mind? Well, yes it does in the same way that the packaging of a product does that for the product. I would "express" it differently. The product itself is the visceral emotion that wells up in the "heart" and flows forth into the packaging that the mind puts into form. Without both, you have either Clementi or Scriabin (in his later works). Chopin, like Mozart, Brahms, Bach and Beethoven, was a master craftsman who was able to fashion the raw emotion he was feeling into architectural masterworks that will live forever as long as civilization survives on earth.
A wonderful half hour, well spent.
Fascinating talk (provided it's true). I play the easiest - number 7 in A major - and I roll that big chord. That way it sounds even better. My favourite is not that one - I think it's number 13 (it's a very soft one). Lovely pieces, those preludes,. His scherzi are my favourite. Followed by his mazurkas. What are yours Ben? s. Tiffany Poon does the best set I have ever heard. Heard her live. Her virtuosity was breath-taking.
The foundation picture, far left, was my good friend from High School, Dean Kramer. He would occasionally help me out with accompianment for the Mozart Clarinet Concerto. I was also a musicology student of Charles Rosen when he was at Stony Brook University, 1975. That makes me 4 degrees from Chopin and I therefore know everything. I am not convinced about a connection between Bach C# and Raindrops, but I think composers probably don't always recognize what is milling around the brain when they compose - there only 144 combinations of three notes so there is bound to be some repetition. I knew a guy once who wanted to start a field of study called Psychomusicology; probably unnecesary and I don't know how far he got past his phd. I agree with Ben that there is not necessarily a black and white division between programatic and 'pure' music and certainly we can usually talk at least about moods with lesser or greater specificity. I don't think of the Brahms Violin Concerto as programatic but in the 2nd movement, Juliet is definately on the balcony going through a range of emotions as she waits for the slimeball Romeo to show up. Without other confirmation, I don't think I can claim this to be the truth. -Seth
Or maybe a few thousand….
Elaborating on your point Ben, Bach’s F minor Fugue also opens with the same thing as Chopin’s main theme in Ballade 4
Hey, I just today (Sunday 10/6/24) bought a used copy of this very Alan Walker book at Powell's Books of Chicago. Used $7.50. Very cool to see this podcast pop up.
Powell's is always a good choice - good old fashioned bookstore with wonderful character and characters. I found a biography of Rudolph Serkin there that a photo of him playing the saxophone! Serkin liked programming the preludes as a complete cycle by the way.
Good vid! Enjoyed the scholarship of Walker in his Chopin biography
Very very interesting - thank you.
Alan Walker is already 94 and still travels for his research. His memory is still so sharp. I thought he is around 75-79.
whoa, 94?!
You are awesome! What a resource, changing my playing already. Go ToneBase!
I’m no longer “tonebase”, but thank you!
@@benlawdy Hence the huge increase in output on you channel. Duh. "Stay as you are, and you'll go far!"😀
What an interesting story😮😮 (Ben, I keep hitting the like button, but it does not work. Hope it's just my hand-held device.)
First of all, thank you for consistently providing such high-quality content and insightful perspectives on the historical aspects of master composers. Regarding Chopin's F minor prelude, I believe it presents an intriguing opportunity to explore the influence his contemporaries may have had on him. For instance, Robert Schumann composed Fantasiestücke, Op. 12 in 1837, about a year before Chopin's Preludes. I find a compelling similarity between the opening themes of Chopin’s F minor prelude and Schumann's second piece, Aufschwung. Both are in F minor, and they share significant melodic similarities, prompting the question: How indifferent was Chopin to his contemporaries, particularly Schumann?
I have read Walker's biography, which claims Chopin was not particularly fond of the music of his contemporaries. However, from my research, I have not found substantial evidence to fully support these claims. For instance, it is alleged that Chopin commented favorably only on the cover page of Schumann's Kreisleriana before seemingly disregarding the work itself. Yet, I have never come across a letter or trustworthy source to validate this narrative.
It seems that much of what we know about these composers is shaped by biased views and gossip that have grown over time. If these accounts were reevaluated today by the composers themselves, much of what has been written might be disputed. With this in mind, I believe it would be stimulating to create a video examining Chopin’s relationships with his contemporaries, using validated sources-if any exist-to challenge or support these long-standing assumptions.
George Sand was a woman? I just started learning about Chopin a couple of weeks ago, and everything I watched just said "lover, George Sand, a poet." I...made some assumptions. 😅
Thought maybe somebody could get a laugh at my expense. Although I'm laughing with you.
She was indeed a woman, but a very unusual one.
@@da__lang yeah, pulled by the sudden need to know more about her, I see that now!
I learned a lot of great detail - a great video, Ben. Also, I had no idea Chopin marked the WTC scores for performance... I agree Chopin was a purist ("absolute music"). But the distinction between "mind" and "world" I found too sharply drawn by AW. But if the Revolutionary Étude just isn't about the fall of Warsaw, for however many reasons, so be it... ! AW is clearly a very rigorous scholar. The Liszt volumes are exceptional.
Is The Chopin Podcast going to be in a Preludes form, all in 12 episodes, each in two segments? One analyzed by practitioners and the other by musicologists
It varies, but the general structure is:
1) Garrick breaks down the music at the piano
2) 1-2 guests, touching on other aspects of history and pianism related to the given genre
3) Jed Distler recommended recordings
Often one of the guests will be a former medalist of the Chopin competition, and we’ll watch and react to their competition performance together and they’ll also reflect on the competition and the music itself.
But in general the episodes will be balanced between the music itself, the interpretation and performance of the music, the history of the music, and the legacy of recordings of the music.
Your videos are great Ben ! I'm composing my first book of 24 preludes and Chopin is a huge inspiration. I see preludes as etudes on musical forms, I wonder if you could comment on that
Would love to buy the manuscript version of the preludes. Is it in stock anywhere? Also the Chopin edition of the WTC.
by the way - I'm not sure I agree you at 13:42 or so - or with Herr Professor that Chopin's music was 'always without reference - after all did he not say that the opening of his scherzo number 2 was supposed to represent someone asking if there was any alternative to death - the following ff chords are death's answer 'NO'. I thought Chopin was supposed to have said that (or something like it). If that's not representational, I don't know what is. Do check out my own scherzo composition. It's actually the same as my first prelude but with some scales added, if I recall. I now see that the middle of it is quite similar to the second movement of his '2nd concerto' (written before his number 1). I must have been subconsciously affected by Tiffany Poon's incredibly beautiful live rendition of that concerto (on YT). But I didn't intentionally copy it.
Where can one buy the Chopin edition of Bach's WTC? Thanks for this video!
Didn’t understand the middle of this video. Chopin always struck me as a composer with some very modern sensibilities. The left hand of prelude 3 is something so modern, it doesn’t seem to belong to that era. Number 2 is bizarre and crunchy, purposely ugly and rude. The searing middle line in prelude 1 that cuts through mid way. #10 with the jagged lines that shoot down and scatter like lightning. Where else do you find rhythm like that prior?
Maybe his forms were older, but when I listen style is more of a defining factor.
@@cadriver2570 sometimes the most radical and forward-looking composers are also considered classically-minded or conservative in their time. Bach is probably the best example. And Chopin was avowedly a classicist in his forms and aesthetics, and did not identify with the modern currents of his time developed most notably Berlioz and Liszt. And yet, just as you say, his style and rhythm and harmony were totally audacious for the 19th century.
Dr Walker has aged incredibly
Great job, Ben.
Postscript
WOJCIECH or the secret of the Polish "ch" explained.
The "c" before "h" is a marker for the voicelessness of the vowel "h"/1/, which should be pronounced as "h" in "hood". No exception to the rule.
/1/ Yes, you're right, we have a voiced "h" in Polish which, as far as I know, does not exist in English.
I asked my Polish friend to help me pronounce it. It’s not perfect, but much better than if I were left to my own devices!
@@benlawdy To be honest, you surprised me Ben with the correct pronunciation of a difficult surname Świtała.
By the way, yesterday I watched ‘Preludes. Episode 1’. Thank you very much for this informative film. And also this conversation with my favourite, the great American pianist Garrick Ohlsson - a pleasure in itself.
Not an expert, but I think we typically voice the H in English, as in harmony or high or (indeed) hood. Exceptions involving an unvoiced H might be where another consonant sound immediately follows, as in hue or Hugh which make the /hy/ sound. I do get what you're saying about the Polish "ch" sound, though, and appreciate the lesson. :)
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21:10 Chopin copied them from Czerny's edition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. But he wasn't too happy about them when he wrote: 'je corrige pour moi l'édition Parisienne de Bach, non seulement les fautes du graveur mais des fautes acdéditées par ceux que passent pour comprendre Bach.'
So he did! Although in the sample page I found of the C# major prelude Chopin appears to have intensified a Czerny forte to a fortissimo and replaced Czerny's horizontal accents with vertical ones.
I was thinking of the wrong Alan Walker
20:04 so Nigel was right..
at 22:43 you ask whether some of his ideas didn't come from Bach - well I actually had a similar thought regarding Beethoven's use of Bach's c minor prelude for his Pathetique sonata - I made an 'etude' out of the two - th-cam.com/video/9W6Z_4Kd2SU/w-d-xo.html
Poon did the first 2 preludes and fugues in her astounding London performance (as well as Schumann, Ravel, Schubert-Liszt, Rachmaninoff-Kreisler etc etc)
16:52 I have utmost respect for Alan Walker but I don't consider this Wessel example proof that Chopin was against attaching imagery to his music. It's only proof that Chopin was against Wessel's naming of his pieces, which were obviously ridiculous (the "Sighs" and the "Meditation" are, in the words of today's generation, cringe af). There are multiple historic accounts of Chopin also attaching imagery to his own music or being inspired by his surroundings, which even Walker records in his own book. Chopin's 1st concerto 2nd movement was called a "romance" and Chopin describes it as "glancing at a place that evokes many fond memories". His student reports that his Op. 25 No. 1 etude is like a shepherd boy playing flute in a cave while avoiding a storm. And there's the clock imitation in the Op. 28 No. 17 bass notes. His minute waltz was reportedly inspired by seeing a dog chasing its own tail. Many students of Chopin also reported that Chopin often used imagery to describe how they should play passages (e.g. see Eigeldinger's introduction of "Chopin: pianist and teacher"). Some of these stories are maybe more hearsay than others, but one other sure fact is that Chopin was a master at mimicry, both in-person and with the piano, so I think it's no accident that his works evoke sounds/experiences in the real world. Perhaps the distinction to be made here is that maybe Chopin was against being "prescriptive" with imagery, but not imagery itself - that is, he encourages imagery but wants to let it be open to interpretation for the performer.
My view is exactly the same
Yes, it is pretty clear from several of Chopin's letters and several different testimonies of his students that he abhorred musical pieces to be NAMED (because that reduces a piece to whatever it is named after and limits the imagination of the auditor/performer). However, he indeed never said in any surviving letter - at least letters I had access to - that he didn't want music being attached to images and metaphors. In the letters of his student Friederike Müller (fantastic book, around 230 letters filled with journals of her 6 years of lessons with Chopin and lots of details about his private life with Sand) Fräulein Müller quotes Chopin several times describing a musical piece with scenery during a lesson. What he clearly disliked was limiting a piece to that ONE definition. But he was a capricious person. He certainly did contradict himself at times and changed his opinions as well. Sand - although I do not trust her to be the most reliable source of information on Chopin, most of all decades after his death - did recall in her AB his anger over her comparison of his Prelude 28/15 with rain, however.
20:13 Is that prelude his only piece in d minor? I can't think of any other
Wow that might be right. I knew he didn't write much it in it, but I can't think of another one either. Not even a Mazurka. Maybe he was afraid of the key... we know he taught Beethoven's Tempest and wanted Mozart's Requieum played at his funeral, so the tonality meant a lot to him. Maybe too much.
Reminds me of B minor and Beethoven. The only published work by Beethoven in B minor is the op. 126 No. 4 Bagatelle. I'm convinced that he finally faced his fear of that key and some deep misgivings he had about the tonality, and actually that piece so my ears is about the tonality itself, and its tension with the much more amenable C major right next door.
Let me recommend a wonderful book Chopin's Piano: in Search of the Instrument that Transformed Music by Paul Francis Kildea.
@@andrewanderson6121 I’m afraid that book is based on misinformation received from Wanda Landowska. It tell the story of the wrong piano, the one Walker refers to as having been removed from Cell #2 after a recent lawsuit was settled and it was proven the instrument was not manufactured until after Chopin’s death. It fooled many great musicians over the past century, and also misled Mr. Kildea. Walker documents all of this in his forthcoming revised edition of his Chopin biography.
Early in his life, Chopin composed the Polonaise in D minor, op. 71. No. 1
Chopin hardly wrote anything in D minor. A Prelude, an early Polonaise, two songs (with Polish texts) -- that's it. I've always wondered why -- but no wonder, if D minor represents death.
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Pretty disappointed that Walker refused to accept Laude's suggestion that outside circumstances and elements will influence, mostly unconsciously, what happens in one's mind. Laude gets it right there. The assertion that the life of the mind is a totally different thing that the life of the outside world is scientifically incorrect and smacks of post-modern nonsense. From an evolutionary point of view, it would make no sense for the mind to ignore the outside world. So yes, music is a reflection of the mind, but the mind is itself a reflection (to at least some extent) of the world, whether consciously or not.
To be fair, I don’t think this is what Walker is saying. It sounded to me more that Walker is pushing back against the simplistic idea that artists’ works are merely a reflection of their external circumstances: if they fall in love, they write something happy; if someone dies, they write something sad.
I understood Walker to be saying that one cannot ignore the internal. And that certain artists are more influenced by external, and others are more influenced by internal. He feels that Chopin is more of the latter kind of artist, and Chopin certainly thought of himself that way.
Whether Walker (or Chopin) is right in that assessment is a point for debate, but I think it’s a reasonable debate to have!
What does post modernism have to do with it?
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Walker talks about the end of the d-minor prelude being like “death knocking on the door,” as Chopin was very ill at the time. I don’t hear him denying that there could be a connection between Chopin’s life circumstances and the music, only that the composer actively resisted the idea.
You seem to have misunderstood or not listened attentively enough: Walker says quite clearly " music does reflect the life of the mind" 15:30. But Chopin did not try to represent concrete elements of nature - like raindrops.
Am I tripping or does Walker's voice sound like AI here?
@@Seenall you’re not completely tripping. The original Zoom audio was mediocre so I did my best to improve it, but it sounded like he had a mouth full of rice pudding. So I cleaned it up and enhanced it using an AI podcasting software. That might add a slight artificial veneer to it, but it’s still very much him, and much clearer than otherwise.
@@benlawdy It makes a lot more sense now. Thank you for explaining.