I wonder if you've changed your opinion on the sisters MD nerf at all as a result of this game? As I suspected the detachment didn't really work and without MD the sisters struggled to wound any of the tougher enemy models or keep important models alive. It was disappointing to hear both players double down on the anti-miracle dice sentiment throughout the game yet say basically nothing about the Daemon's 4+ invun repeatedly denying even the biggest AP shots like they were nothing. Note I don't think the 4+ invun is bad, I just think it warps the probabilities just as much as MD. Its a game of strong abilities. MD are a core component of the Sisters army balance and you can't focus on the individual moments it makes a difference and ignore everything else. Its the first time I've seen the Sisters play post nerf and it went more or less as I expected. With the Sisters starting out okay but quickly starting to struggle once they had to contend with the tougher units in the other army. Deciding not to use Miracle Dice as Miracle Dice, and only to fuel abilities really demonstrated that without being able to use MD when needed Sisters simply lack the tools to compete. Whether you find MD fun to play against or not I'm afraid they are central to the factions balance in 10th and I really think people need to ask themselves why MD are a problem but all the other probability warping mechanics aren't. Because from where I'm sitting singling out MD feels very much like bad sportsmanship. The sisters had a brief time of being too strong, that was always a points issue and not a core mechanic issue. the points got fixed and things were balanced. Butchering miracle dice is just going to mean the points have to be slashed and Sisters will be much less unique of a faction. This whole episode has really not shown either GW or some of the playerbase in a good light.
The double dip of points increase and fundamental rule nerd is wild. ALL the infantry need a points cut. Its an army of t3w1 with costs that no longer reflect power
The anti-MD and sisters rhetoric on this channel (and this game) is crazy. It would be better if they just didn't play Sisters as a faction. I come to the channel to enjoy the game, not have an army just dumped on bc feels. I agree with everything you said..... its a bad look. And just as an edit: Brian had to take the Triumph (got nerfed) AND roll really hot for those MD and still got stomped for all the complaining.
@@sasukeds they just need someone to play them that has a bigger understanding of *how* to play them. Dude rolled so hot on MD this game and just barely ever used any?
At least it handily demonstrated how dependant Sisters are on having usable MD. He actually rolled super hot on his MD throughout. Most games post nerf aren't going to have anywhere near that number of usable dice to rely on.
The level of cope is off the charts lol. Why the sisters player insisted on sticking to that ideas that the MD nerf and the Grottmas Detatchment weren't terrible is beyond me.
What a fun idea for a dual battle! Loved the comms and missiles. Sisters got totally tabled, obviously. The faction is in a really bad spot after the nerf to miracle dice, and this particular detachment is unviable with the latest MD changes. You're either playing without a detachment rule, or without an army rule. It's interesting that both players, who are experienced and well above average in player skill, just hate miracle dice as a mechanic, regardless of how it's balanced. I don't mind GW attempting to rein in miracle dice (to lower the ceiling, and increase the floor) to make it less swingy and feels bad. However, all sisters units are costed as though they have ready availability to miracle dice for key rolls. If they don't have that, at their current points, they just get effortlessly wiped out by a not very strong (but very thematic) Tzeentch list.
Video really put a bad taste in my mouth, with the sisters player being a clown like he knew what he was talking about. Guess i'm not the target audience for the channel.🎉
Sister are by far worst army in game they are basically release ad mech at this pt they will only be playable. Sister effectively have no detachment or army rule at this point and extremely mediocre strats in all there detachment. Most units eill have to go down 40% in pts for this army to even be a 50% win rate army. Just remember unnerf md index sister were at 53% with about 20-25% cheaper units and access to extremely cheap action monkeys in crusader. they effectively now outside of warsuits have the worst units worse army rule worse detachment rules in the game because gw refused 2 to give them back bloody rose and gut the only 2 good rules they had just delete the codex at this pt and go back to index U guys said that cp reroll needs to stay despite it being unhealthy cus elite armies need it but dont use the same logic that an army with highest str in codex besides 210pt vehicle is str8. Md just gave sister the same dmg as every else because they have the weakest weapons in the game pretty much across the board.
"sisters is fine, this detatch is the best !"
- proceeds to get tabled.
I wonder if you've changed your opinion on the sisters MD nerf at all as a result of this game? As I suspected the detachment didn't really work and without MD the sisters struggled to wound any of the tougher enemy models or keep important models alive. It was disappointing to hear both players double down on the anti-miracle dice sentiment throughout the game yet say basically nothing about the Daemon's 4+ invun repeatedly denying even the biggest AP shots like they were nothing. Note I don't think the 4+ invun is bad, I just think it warps the probabilities just as much as MD. Its a game of strong abilities. MD are a core component of the Sisters army balance and you can't focus on the individual moments it makes a difference and ignore everything else.
Its the first time I've seen the Sisters play post nerf and it went more or less as I expected. With the Sisters starting out okay but quickly starting to struggle once they had to contend with the tougher units in the other army. Deciding not to use Miracle Dice as Miracle Dice, and only to fuel abilities really demonstrated that without being able to use MD when needed Sisters simply lack the tools to compete.
Whether you find MD fun to play against or not I'm afraid they are central to the factions balance in 10th and I really think people need to ask themselves why MD are a problem but all the other probability warping mechanics aren't. Because from where I'm sitting singling out MD feels very much like bad sportsmanship. The sisters had a brief time of being too strong, that was always a points issue and not a core mechanic issue. the points got fixed and things were balanced. Butchering miracle dice is just going to mean the points have to be slashed and Sisters will be much less unique of a faction. This whole episode has really not shown either GW or some of the playerbase in a good light.
The double dip of points increase and fundamental rule nerd is wild. ALL the infantry need a points cut. Its an army of t3w1 with costs that no longer reflect power
The anti-MD and sisters rhetoric on this channel (and this game) is crazy. It would be better if they just didn't play Sisters as a faction. I come to the channel to enjoy the game, not have an army just dumped on bc feels. I agree with everything you said..... its a bad look. And just as an edit: Brian had to take the Triumph (got nerfed) AND roll really hot for those MD and still got stomped for all the complaining.
@@sasukeds they just need someone to play them that has a bigger understanding of *how* to play them. Dude rolled so hot on MD this game and just barely ever used any?
Sisters didn't have a chance. Not using the sisters rules because you don't like it makes the faction really bad.
At least it handily demonstrated how dependant Sisters are on having usable MD. He actually rolled super hot on his MD throughout. Most games post nerf aren't going to have anywhere near that number of usable dice to rely on.
The level of cope is off the charts lol. Why the sisters player insisted on sticking to that ideas that the MD nerf and the Grottmas Detatchment weren't terrible is beyond me.
What a fun idea for a dual battle! Loved the comms and missiles.
Sisters got totally tabled, obviously. The faction is in a really bad spot after the nerf to miracle dice, and this particular detachment is unviable with the latest MD changes. You're either playing without a detachment rule, or without an army rule.
It's interesting that both players, who are experienced and well above average in player skill, just hate miracle dice as a mechanic, regardless of how it's balanced. I don't mind GW attempting to rein in miracle dice (to lower the ceiling, and increase the floor) to make it less swingy and feels bad. However, all sisters units are costed as though they have ready availability to miracle dice for key rolls. If they don't have that, at their current points, they just get effortlessly wiped out by a not very strong (but very thematic) Tzeentch list.
Jeez... It doesnt seem like sisters got a fair shake in the nerf, nor a fair play here.
It both looks and IS bad.
The sisters nerf was stupid and bad, how you can defend it makes no sense
The nerf is unironically bad and shows a lack of understanding from the design team
Throwing Tzeentch at freshly nerfed Sisters seems kinda mean 😂 RIP Miracle Dice
xD content. Sisters are in a bad place, and it is okay to say ao
This was so much fun to do with you all!
Thanks for trying something wild and new!!
3:15 sound comes back on here. Love the content guys
adding a ton of things to your pile of shame.....i feel noticed :D
Video really put a bad taste in my mouth, with the sisters player being a clown like he knew what he was talking about. Guess i'm not the target audience for the channel.🎉
Tabletalk titans! Back in the day with og brain and og adrian and Bridger as producer it was tabletop titans and it was a time to be alive.
Lindsay, as always deserves so much recognition and a raise.
That isa dope sweater. Where did you get it lol
Yes where from?
seeing that cannoness with the jump pack glued on backwards really annoyed me
lool how have we not noticed that
You'll need a pineapple phone
Its a catfight. XD
Sister are by far worst army in game they are basically release ad mech at this pt they will only be playable. Sister effectively have no detachment or army rule at this point and extremely mediocre strats in all there detachment. Most units eill have to go down 40% in pts for this army to even be a 50% win rate army. Just remember unnerf md index sister were at 53% with about 20-25% cheaper units and access to extremely cheap action monkeys in crusader. they effectively now outside of warsuits have the worst units worse army rule worse detachment rules in the game because gw refused 2 to give them back bloody rose and gut the only 2 good rules they had just delete the codex at this pt and go back to index
U guys said that cp reroll needs to stay despite it being unhealthy cus elite armies need it but dont use the same logic that an army with highest str in codex besides 210pt vehicle is str8. Md just gave sister the same dmg as every else because they have the weakest weapons in the game pretty much across the board.
People. Don't trip too much. This channel is not super competitive. Having a mild opinion is fine