Agree, she should of realised that she wasn't going to out run the Cammer off the line, lifted off the accelerator and slotted in behind (that doesn't make it right) Yes the Cammer could have been more aware but it would be fair to assume that the VW would of been turning right. That the fact that she said that those from the right have priority after the collision says it all!
@@flemit35 There isn't an outside lane as its a mini round about. It looks like the right hand lane should turn on to the right hand mini round about and the left hand lane goes on to the mini roundabout where the crash happened. It looks like a very odd piece of road. The lane markings are very clear though.
Her hubby will be super pissed that she crashed the new car he bought her............ If she bought it herself she wouldn't be driving like such a ****.
Exactly. This is my most pet peeves. Those who lack lane discipline and use the wrong lane as a means to get ahead of traffic as if they think they are saving significant time. I wish there are cameras set up in these types of junctions
On the edge of York at Grimston Bar it's two lanes at the roundabout, the left lane used to be for the A166 only (I'm going back a few years before they changed it) and the right lane was for the A1079. The number of idiots that used to come down the left lane and try and squeeze across in front of traffic in the right lane was ridiculous, it's a wonder we never saw any accidents there. One day a guy came to the depot to complain a bus wouldn't let him in when he was trying to do exactly that, when we pointed out the lane markings his response was "they are advisory only" There's a lot of idiots on the road. Incidentally I saw someone scrape a 70 reg Peugeot against a boulder the other day when he was trying to squeeze through a gap that wasn't there
Many years ago I had a car deliberately knock into me on my motorbike because I passed him 'on the inside' on a roundabout and 'everyone knows you shouldn't pass on the inside'. The only thing was that 'the inside' was on his right, literally the lane nearest the centre of the island, which is of course, perfectly legal and ordinarily safe in the absence of psychosis. Some people are not only too stupid to understand concepts but then use their misunderstanding as _casus belli._
I don't know about retest looks more like a straight forward 6 month ban for undue care and attention and dangerous driving then be made to do a re-test
Got to laugh at people wanting a ban etc. A large part of the population would end up banned with the stuff I see on the roads if the police did even half their job. A large number of people could be banned in one day for using mobiles, speeding etc. It would make the roads quieter, but I wonder how many people saying that would themselves end up with a ban.
Especially as she seems totally unaware of the moving traffic violation she made: an offence of failing to circumnavigate the central marking, unless her car couldn't manage it, in which case it's the offence of driving an unroadworthy vehicle (as other cars, the cammer's for one, managed it).
I have no idea why these videos started appearing on my feed, but I'm glad they do. For anyone that is willing to watch them objectively, they help us to become better drivers. Anyone that thinks they know it all is a fool. I've been driving for about 27 years and I'm proud to say that I'm still learning.
In terms of the cycle lane, it's hard to tell with camera FOV but to have a cycle lane and what becomes two lanes of traffic, that all looks pretty tight. If I was a cyclist approaching this double roundabout I would probably dismount and walk around rather than enter that fluster cluck on wheels, but that's a personal choice. Yes, the camer should maybe be more aware of cycle lanes, but this particular layout looks pretty dangerous for everyone. With folks regularly diving down the inside I would probably absent mindedly be trying to avoid my wing mirror being swiped by another car rather than think of bicycles. In terms of adjusting to the VW when it doesn't turn, it would be pretty hard to see this and correct in enough time. Trying to keep your eyes open and give way, predicting traffic flow on a double mini roundabout is hard enough without someone just diving up the inside and hoping you disappear. That's before you factor in the low sun and poor visibility etc. I probably would have struggled to notice the SUV given everything else that is happening. SUV is ultimately completely at fault for having no idea how to read road markings and navigate a roundabout. If they really thought they had right of way then that's outright scary, they need points and a driving refresher course of some kind.
The battered Passat and Golf did the same thing, so I'd have been aware of the possibilty. If the cammer followed the 2nd roundabout rather than trying to straightline it (which makes me think they WAS aware), then no accident would have happened - and the silver VW would've got away with it. Too many self important, selfish arseholes on the roads, and the couple of police on the roads are only interested in speeding offences, not road safety.
@@waynedl99 Being from Canada, I have limited familiarity with this layout. From watching many clips online it seems as though nearly everyone straighlines these roundabouts, while my instinct would be to follow them. I now fear that if I were to follow them, folks would be constantly trying to overtake me like the VW, since they may assume I am about to turn on the immediate left. My question is, is straightlining for "through travel" proper practice, or are they truly meant to be followed?
Love that lady clapping! Awful driving by the new owner of the SUV. Awful junction design by thew highways department. Wouldn't cycle across there if you paid me 😂
I used to cycle round a double mini occasionally; its actually quite easy, for exactly the reason that all the car drivers on here are saying "that looks difficult". The fact that it is difficult in a car means everybody is going slowly (slower than a cyclist can), looking all around them, and being pragmatic rather than assertive about priority. It is certainly a damn sight easier than the large fast roundabouts I used to cycle round every day.
Ashley..... not sure if you missed a trick there....... @1:19-1:25 Passat appeared to go straight ahead. Obviously we all saw the Golf do the same. It seems pretty clear cut that the SUV was in a rush. Very heavy braking (snow/ice cascading off the bonnet is a clue) and maybe not the first time that driver has attempted this manoeuvre. I am inclined to say that Zak was accelerating in the same manner as anyone else would - see a gap and go, rather than dawdle. I would strongly recommend the junction be redesigned to a one lane; not two.... then that would eradicate future incidents such as what we've just witnessed. Three cars in quick succession really indicates a pattern here - more than a coincidence imho. Stay safe everyone 👍.
At 1:24, you can see the sun reflecting from the lane arrow to the cammer’s right. That lane is right turn only. The Tiguan should have turned right at the first mini-roundabout but continued ahead. They’re totally at fault here
Can't see any bloody markings cause of the sun. That's probably the first problem in this situation. Then there's the issue of double mini roundabouts.
It’s probably taking so long as the SUV driver likely lied. Many years ago ( my first accident) I was hit head on. I was in my lane/side of road and the car came round the bend on the wrong side of the road (my side). I had managed to come to a complete stop before she hit me. Lucky it was a very slow impact. But for some reason I lost and was found at fault!!!! I had only been driving just over a year. By chance I found out that she had completely lied so I informed my insurance and they just said tough she is deemed to be more experienced (as was in her 40’s and been driving 20 years) and you’re inexperienced 🤬. She also let slip to me that she was recovering from another car accident and this was going through court and apparently could hardly move but was able to drive, jump out and run round her car bending down and looking it over. Also from a friend at the time she has done similar to his dad a couple years before. I actually don’t know if she made a claim against me or whether I just wasn’t aware of it? But there seemed to be a pattern!!!
The lady behind was the headsup of what was about to happen, she kept a keen eye on her right mirror at all times, she paid so much attention to overtaking vehicles, it's that local knowledge that is important.
@@sinista.productions Stopping should never nearly cause a collision, It's what I would expect any driver experiencing a medical emergency to do and its the reason we keep breaking distances and pay attention...
I find it extremely unlikely the police would attend such a trivial collision to report such an incident. The police are also widely reported as being uninterested in dash cam footage unless it a was a serious incident. So likely this stupid driver will likely remain belligerent and continue driving in exactly the same way. I'm frankly surprised this isn't a blackspot for minor collisions, it likely gets like that every rush hour morning, and in a 2 minute clip we saw three vehicles do it... If that's typical, there's 90 cars an hour that cut ahead out of that lane. Even if what happened in this clip is a 0.1% (1:1000) chance that's 26 accidents a year caused by a pathetic road layout. The insurers in all cases must surely have tried to implicate the council before now... problem roads and junctions like this need reporting, and dealing with. While it's easy to blame the twat headed drivers in each case, the road layout is enabling it, while the poor traffic flow encourages it.
It's the insurers, I was involved in an accident, where it was a cut and dry rear end, however the insurance co wasted 5 months trying to get me to say i was injured when i wasn't and wouldn't progress the matter. just called 3-4 times per week to tell me they will get a doctor for me and i just need to say it "hurts here".
@@mentaljason The insurance company or another company claiming to be connected to the insurance company. Did you contact your insurance company and be told this or was it "they" contacting you?
@@radishpea6615 It was the insurance co, I'm tps registered and don't get spam/scam calls. It was them contacting me, however they mentioned the incident not me.
The SUV driver braked really aggressively (hence the snow shooting forward). I think she was hoping that she didn’t have to stop at the roundabout and was already planning to drive straight across both roundabouts, until she had to brake at the last minute. She was driving aggressively in my humble opinion. No need for gangsta granny to start applauding mind 😎 Poor lad
yes. *sometimes* you can get away with it (not that you should if it’s not a straight o/merge lane) on a big roundabout if you catch it right and you don’t have to stop, still risky of course. pretty much impossible on a roundabout this small. every one of the 3 drivers that does it here forces the car in the correct lane to have to react.
SUV was trying it on just like the car before it. They won't try that again. All it boils down to in situations like this is impatience, they don't want to queue. I hope the cammer gets paid out.
Nope. No matter what the outcome of the insurance claim is, the SUV will believe they were absolutely in the right, and carry on doing exactly the same kind of thing.
Not really. As a result of this the cammer's insurance premiums are [likely] going to rise so although the physical damage may be repaired, they are still [likely] to suffer financial loss.
There is a benefit yes, but people behind rarely stop, you will even see in some dashcam compilations people will record an accident in front of them, laugh and carry on driving even though the video evidence will be a massive help. People rarely stop to offer assistance in these scenarios.
@@K.Pilkington Have only witnessed 2 such incidents in 30 years of driving and on both occasions, I stopped and gave my details. On one occasion where someone rear-ended me, a taxi stopped and gave me his details as a witness. So I think it may happen more than you think. To turn it around, would you stop?
@@fabsy64 I don't have any statistics unfortunately so it may well happen more than I think. Just going from accidents I have been in myself or people I know personally, I've never known anyone to have witness details. I would like to think I would stop to provide evidence but luckily I haven't witnessed any third party accidents myself. We'll done to you for stopping, I'm sure the innocent third party was very grateful.
@@K.Pilkington Yes, we can only go on personal experience. Fortunately, on all those occasions, they were pretty cut & dried so there was no need to contact me or them afterwards but it's always good to have witnesses just in case.
Its poor road planning but there are literally arrows painted on the ground so there is no confusion, the only issues this could ever cause is people piss cutting the roundabout
@András Torma because the right hand lane isn’t meant to be going straight ahead so that leaves the room. Remember you don’t have to go all the way around a mini roundabout, you’re allowed to cross over it. I teach my students to ensure their left tyre goes around as that’s sufficient
One other thing to mention is that the regulations require you to go round the paint unless impracticable. There seems plenty of room here for a car to do so, which neither of them did.
Give way to the right? She was coming from behind! If you look at the video again you will see that the cammer had to move the right so he didn't burst his tyre and derange his suspension on the kerb.
It looks also like the VW was trying to go straight over the roundabout, and was also caught off guard by the red Suzuki going around, so tried to squeeze through a gap that was getting smaller and ended up door slamming the cammer.
both hands off the wheel to clap. Also, I always clean the snow off our car before going out in it, just seams to be a good idea while the heater picks up and window defrost etc.
They both straight lined the mini roundabout as well, utter disregard for lane discipline in busy traffic and as you say, 'got away with it before'. Loved that Lady at the end :)
I have to push the road rage feelings aside when I see drivers blatantly taking advantage of others kindness and pushing to the front of lines they obviously know they should wait in. Such narcissists.
This is why I have a dashcam - it's saved me from many a tricky situation to explain. For example, in one situation a taxi driver reversed into my wife while she was stationary. With no other information, she would have been at fault - with the dashcam, no debate is possible. In another situation, I was rear-ended on a 2 lane divided A road, with 4 cars in the chain, I was at the front. The car behind me claimed no damage and drove off, the driver at the back claimed only 2 cars were involved. The insurance company started their dispute process which I cut short with the dashcam footage. Would never drive without a dashcam anymore, make sure it is front and back.
Where I live we have what I call an abnormal mini roundabout, because it doesn't conform to the standards of "keeping left to cross". Well, in fact it's a series of 3 consecutive mini roundabouts. On one of them, you do need the right-hand lane to cross the roundabout, and it throws/confuses anyone not familiar with the road.
"The broken line around the cycle area means you can go in it if it's safe and necessary..." I wouldn't say that. Legally, a motor vehicle can go in it; however, the guidance (which may be considered to determine the standard of driving in court) says you should not go in it unless it is unavoidable. It is almost always avoidable. Nor would I say it turns out not to have been a problem - decisions shouldn 't be taken using a retrospectograph. It could have been a problem in slow-moving traffic: the position would have prevented a cyclist from using it safely, had they approached; and the slow-moving nature would have prevented the driver from correcting his position. There was no need to be in the cycle lane, and it may have invited further problems by inviting overtakes or informal dualing.
That is possible. I'm going to assume he did his mirror checks before moving off and that he was caught off guard. We've all had that 1 driver catch us all off guard while driving even with mirror checks (don't forget your blind spots).
He may have been aware of it but I would say it would have been very difficult in the time involved to have discerned that the VW had not turned left - and by then there was nothing he could have done about it anyway. Her decision to violate the lane markings caused that collision and she should be the one sanctioned.
Even if he didn't, to be honest, it's not his responsibility to, given that he's in front, an the SUV shouldn't be anywhere near him anyway, since it's in a lane for turning off.
I agree that this accident wasn’t the cammer’s responsibility, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have to look. He =might= have been able to avoid the crash.
Note the agressive braking by the SUV as the snow slides off the bonnet, I think they know what they are going to do but I would have probably taken a better road position to deter this.
yes, however i just don’t get the mentality of, when they were unlucky and had to stop, still trying it on rather than just admitting defeat and indicating/merging in behind the cam car.
another great video showing what can happen when people don't concentrate on road markings .. Theres something similar that happens by Stanley Road police station which I'm sure you're familiar with, were traffic in a right turn only go straight ahead.... One of my pet hates when I'm driving.... Theres also the junction on Walton Hall avenue were people from Barnsbury Road turn right and also from queen's drive down Grandison Road... Perhaps this could be a future video for people to learn from?
i think i have met someone like this, used the right hand lane of a 4 exit (left, straight, right and U) roundabout to turn left into the right hand lane.
"I may noteth be perfect, but I am far neareth than some of thee cattlebreeds thy see upon the roads." - W Shakespeare after coming home through Birmingham on the M6 instead of using the Toll Road.
I also noticed how much snow slid off the suv bonnet coming up to the roundabout. Aggressive breaking!!. And hard acceleration to try and get past the cammers car.
The fact it has taken nearly 7 months for the insurance to direct fault of a crash which is so obviously who is to blame is mind boggling, Corona or not.
I think it’s also to do with how minor the accident therefor the damage will be, it’s low down on the priority list, I had someone reverse into my car early last year outside my house and the insurance took over 5 months to deal with it, March this year I had an old man pull out on me on a junction that cut across a dual carriageway that wrote my car off and it only took his insurance 10 days from the day of the accident to fully payout to me.
Looking at the size of the roundabout, how on earth can they justify splitting that into 2 lanes? It doesn't look like there's enough room for 2 cars along side each other going around the mini roundabout
Anyone notice the red car turning right on the second roundabout (rear cam) that looks like they had to stop because the cam car and VW had shot onto the second roundabout without giving way to the right (1.40 indicator on coming round second roundabout)
I saw the opposite happen last week. The car in front of me, in the left only lane (arrow left only, + there is no ahead exit here at all), turned right at the mini roundabout - and without an indication.
The low sun obscuring road markings won't help. Even a good, experienced driver could be forgiven for not being able to discern them. However, the low sun should be a sign to proceed with caution. The cammer doesn't, but the SUV driver definitely doesn't and collides from behind, by far the biggest fault (driving without due care and attention). Even if low sun isn't affecting you, be wary of others that could be affected by it. Classic sign: long shadows.
Just wondering, while clearly the SUV is in the wrong here is the cammer also not utilising the roundabout effectively? He appears to be just going straight on while not following the outside lane, which to me looks like if someone in the right lane was correctly positioned and wanted to actually turn right then they wouldn't be able to do so without colliding with the cammer. You can see that the SUV mounts over the roundabout in the clip which is where she'd have ended up even if turning right.
I'm a learner-driver. To me, the VW SUV driver was in the wrong for going into the right-turn-only lane but then going straight on, and for apparently not understanding how priority on roundabouts works. The driver with the camera made three errors: driving in the cycle lane; not spotting that the silver saloon ahead had move onto the roundabout; and not driving cautiously enough given the potentially dazzling sunlight and the blind spot created by the van in front of him as it took the exit.
How? She saw two vehicles colliding in front of her, so stopped her car as she should do. Plus there was a car going on her right on the second roundabout. She drove to the book.
Doesn't the law state give way to vehicles in rotation on the roundabout, No one has priority access to a roundabout. At what stage is a car deemed to be on the Roundabout?
You can see on the approach the the roundabout some of the cars going passed on the right, don't actually turn right. Clearly this is one of those bits of road where it has become routine to skip the queue and jump in. I would be willing to bet that it's not the first time the VW driver has done the exact same thing.
am i right in saying that the suv driver drove on a hatched area on a busy road? yet caused a collision on a marked roundabout by not using it as an actual roundabout?
Totally with the cammer on this one. When a roundabout is busy, as this one obviously is, it is good practice to move briskly to avoid interrupting the flow of the traffic. The cammer was well positioned to exit the first roundabout and the silver car would have probably been in his blind spot. Although he was probably aware of it, he would have expected it to be turning right. Given the size of the roundabouts and the two lane entrance, there would have been very little time for the cammer to react once they realised (if they even had a warning) that the silver car was trying to overtake them on the roundabout.
Surprising you didnt point out the snow on the bonnet flying off when she hit the breaks really hard to stop. Looks like the SUV was always planning on going over the round about, rather than around. Dangerous driving, hope she learnt her lesson
This is a bit of deja vu. Only a few weeks ago did I have a guy raging at me because he turned right from the left hand lane on a roundabout. He pulled up alongside me as I was in the right-hand lane indicating right, followed me the whole way round on the left hand side, yet was somehow surprised that I...turned right? There's no helping some people. Thing is though, he was also driving a newish Tiguan! Are they being issued to the stupid now like a 21st century Invacar??
Regarding the VW's insurance I can well believe that this has (or will) end up with both insurers paying out 50/50... The reason I say this is that I am currently is dispute with LV over an almost identical incident where they have paid out without informing me of their decision despite my dashcam and 2 of their call centre staff confirming I was in the correct lane but apparently LV's dispute department think otherwise. According to them any accident on a roundabout is treated by the insurance industry as a 50/50. One other point I would like to make is that the SUV was also in breach of the road traffic act when it drove across the mini roundabout. Since it is not an unusually large vehicle it should be going AROUND the roundabout (yes even mini ones) not over them.
The left hand car cut straight across into the right turning lane. If there are 2 cars then you have to stick in your lane, even if its tight. But I would have expected him to cut across. I would have hung back to make space
Although not very significant in the collision, the fact that the road markings a very worn combined with the wet road and low sun probably made the markings all but invisible so in these conditions one should perhaps bear in mind that someone unfamiliar with the road might end up in the wrong lane .
@András Torma I was in no way suggesting that the SUV wasn't at fault. I was making a general point that it is worth bearing in mind where lane markings are difficult or impossible to see that others might not do what their road positioning suggests - that your foreknowledge of the road layout might not be shared by all those around you. In this case I suspect the SUV driver was all too familiar with the road and, given her misunderstanding of give-way rules, I wonder if she is always in a new car having written off all previous ones in short order.
I live in a country where mini roudabouts doesent exist, and i really dont get the point with them. Seem to cause more problems and. crashes because people just drive right over them, please correct me if im wrong
Before I even watched the video I knew it'd be some nimrod who drove straight over the central marking. You see it constantly. It's against the law, people.
Broken white lines on outside of hatched area means you can drive in it, if necessary and is safe (clearly not in this case...).Solid lines bordering the hatched area mean you must not enter it except in an emergency (which this wasn't). Highway Code rule 130.
@@CaseyJonesNumber1 I'm talking about 188: Mini-roundabouts: All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.
I know am late but recently came accross ya channel.. Ill only add thats awefully tame for bradford.... theres a reason I go WAY out of my way to avoid driving through and its because driving like that isnt the worst you see (that and the offences are never a mistake its always on purpose)
That SUV knew exactly what they were doing. They've probably done it a hundred times thinking that the person at the front of the queue would just yield, which happens more often than not. See it all the time here in Swansea at certain lights where there are two clear lanes with designated turning instructions and people always seem to "forget" and push in front of everyone.
G'day Ashley, maybe you can answer a question about UK roundabout laws for me. I'm an Aussie and I watch a lot of these types of dashcam clips since I can't get out and about it makes me feel like I can. However, I've noticed an interesting aspect of the clips in regards to UK roundabout. First, many of the Aussie traffic laws mirror those of the UK, and in the case of roundabouts the 2 key ones are: (a.) vehicles IN the roundabout have priority over those entering the roundabout, (b) vehicles on the right have priority when entering the roundabout at the same time, so watch for them and give way. I checked the UK traffic laws and they say something similar but not as clearly, yet I often see clips of drivers thinking they have right of way over traffic on their left while they're a few metres back from the roundabout and the other vehicle is at the roundabout or just entering it. A common one is a car will be more than half way into the roundabout when the cammer crosses the line marking the edge of the roundabout intersection then hit their horn expecting the car that was already in the roundabout before they got there to give way to them. Under Aussie law the car on the left was already in the roundabout and had priority and right of way, yet the UK traffic law doesn't seem to be that clear cut in this situation. Would you please comment on this to clarify if the UK law is the same as the Aussie law or different.
@@ashley_neal Thank Neal, you explain things very well. In that clip you gave the link to there's an incident with a Clio at 4:53. At the point the Clio reaches the give way line for the roundabout the black car has already crossed the line and is IN the roundabout. Under Aussie law the black car has right of way due to being IN the roundabout before the Clio enters it. I've seen UK examples like this where the black car was fully across the line before the other entered the roundabout. The actual wording in Aussie law is: Vehicles entering a roundabout must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout. With what you say a little after the Clio incident it seems the UK Highway code does NOT differentiate between the roundabout intersection itself and the approaches to it. That then raises the issue of how far down the street on the right requires you to give way to an approaching vehicle? At what point is it far enough away you can say it doesn't have right of way? On a related issue, when roundabouts were first introduced here in NSW in the 1970s most were only a metre in diameter, now most are 3 to 6 metres in diameter. However, they have always had a proper lay-back gutter the same height as the kerb gutters and it gave you a hell of a jolt if you hit it. Thus you'd never get away with cutting the corner the way the Clio did.
It also looks like the car behind the Peugeot does a little bit of littering at about 2.30 onto the pavement. VW and Audi drivers don’t have to stand in traffic. They are on important business and far too busy to wait. 😤
Wait a second.... This is meant to be a two lane mini roundabout? So why are the cammer (and other drivers) not keeping to the left while on the roundabout? They basically cut the ppl that are in the right lane off by driving that close past the middle, because they leave no room for cars going right on the roundabout. Can somebody explain? If were right, this would mean both parties are 50% at fault here.
I've got a slightly different take on this incident. The driver in the left hand lane (intending to go straight on) should actually be steering towards the left in order to follow the two lanes traversing the roundabout. To me the driver takes off in a straight direction. There is no indication the SUV is doing anything other than turning right, but who's lane is encroached by the car on the left causing the coming together of the two vehicles. Not familiar with this junction, so my analysis may not be entirely correct, but just expressing an alternative view.
@András Torma If you rewind to 1:37, you will see the SUV is indicating to turn right. Don't think Ashley picked that up in his analysis of the incident. As I said in my original post, the driver in the left hand lane should have steered left to begin with in order to follow the correct lane round the roundabout. He was the one actually guilty of poor lane discipline
You can clearly see its an everyday drive and occurrence. Cam vehicle is to far left, but obviously knows the road splits into right turn only and ahead only so can be put down to planning ahead. As for the SUV I think you covered it all in your analysis other than to say that a couple of hours with an examiner or tutor would probably do the world of good for her, as it would for all of us occasionally. Sad thing is that even with this collision she won't change her driving or her attitude. So potentially this is going to happen over and over again
I'm surprised they haven't replaced the roundabouts with a set of traffic lights, which seems to be the fashion nowadays. It looks quite a dangerous junction though - at first I thought the cam car was too close to the middle of the roundabout until I realised that was the second roundabout and the car in the right hand lane should have turned right before then
Here in Reading we have a few drivers who go by the rule, in some EU states (eg Poland), that: 'He who gets to the mini roundabout first has priority'. Nightmare. Also I wonder how much snow was on that bonnet when she left home?
I didn't realise what happened before you started analysing, I'd never have thought that it's another of those doubled roundabouts, we don't have those here in Poland, I don't quite understand why would you create such a confusing thing on the road.
@András Torma dude, the road design here is retarded in some places that's true, also many people drive without any thought or consideration, accidents and rear ends also happen of course, but is it any different in other countries? People are stupid everywhere, the only difference in Poland is that most seem to be thinking that they have "above average skill" or something, supposedly it's not like that in all countries, that's what I heard in the radio at least.
I worked for an insurance claims department a long time ago, anytime a claim for a collision on a roundabout came in they automatically put it down to 50/50 blame as standard practice. Don’t know if this was just the company I worked for or even just the manager who ran the team, but always seemed unfair to me..
One would hope that the cam footage would put that to rest in this case - I've been on the wrong side of a 50/50 incident thanks to the other driver's wife making up a story about why I was to blame because she was speculating on where I was going (in her handwriting ironically even though she wasn't even there) - sadly dashcams weren't around then so it was my word against his and I suspect in hindsight he had been drink driving, but didn't think to call the police as from a past experience they said they wouldn't attend unless someone was hurt - I won't make that mistake again!
Crazy that good drivers have to keep an eye out for those bad ones. The VW SUV's behaviour was very poor in saying you give way to those on the right. Not even aware it was a right turn only lane. It could be what Ash mentioned before, people in more expensive cars think they are better and entitled. "I can take the fast lane and zip by all the others, who must give way to me". And/or was just plain ignorant and stupid - unaware of the rules. Was her name Karen? Either way, it does not reflect well on her. I hope she sees how wrong she was, eats humble pie and improves as a driver (and perhaps as a person too).
On my first watch I thought the cammer was accelerating a bit too much on the 2nd roundabout considering a car was pulling in front. Then on 2nd watching saw how the cammer didn't go around the 2nd roundabout at all but straight across it. Had they gone more around instead of going over it, the collision might have been avoided. Both of those observations were things which they could have done to mitigate the bad driving on part of the SUV, neither would have been an issue if the SUV hadn't disregarded road markings and tried to overtake on a mini roundabout. So definitely the SUV is at fault for creating the issue. The cammer just wasn't able to correct it. It's not clear if the cammer was aware the SUV hadn't turned right at the first roundabout, that's what their road position entering indicated.
I can't help but wonder if that volks wagen was in their blind spot. And that lady behind the cammer has definitely seen incidents like that regularly at those mini roundabouts. The cammer could have done better like not be so far over to the left (maybe he was so far over due to the low lying sun?) or keen to go but the silver volks wagen is definitely at fault for not using a right turn only lane correctly.
Roads are designed to be used by normal average drivers, not super advanced drivers like all of us in the comments section. At the moment of the crash the cammer had to be concentrating on the situation ahead for safety and couldn't be expected to know exactly what was happening behind them in their blind spot at that exact moment. That's why the highway code makes it the responsibility of each driver on a roundabout to keep safe space AHEAD of them. The silver car broke this rule as well as being in the wrong lane, so it's a double fail.
I know this set of roundabouts well. If you watch, the golf before also goes straight on at high speed in the right turn lane. It's in Bradford, home of the most selfish drivers I've ever come across. Any opportunity to jump a queue and push in will be aggresively taken. Be very wary, it's one of the highest areas of the UK for uninsured/unlicesed drivers.
Nah it would just result in worse vehicle damage as people try and ram each other out of the way. Would also be very dangerous for large vehicles and emergency services
I don't think the cammer could have done anything different, because of how fast the SUV cam down the side of them, plus they probably didn't know they were there as with the roundabouts being so close together, they would have been looking to if its safe to pull out on the second one, not for someone flying down in the wrong lane.
Yes she was in the wrong but double mini roundabouts like this are an unnecessary hazard and should be changed to traffic light controlled. Obviously the council prefers not to spend the money.
The problem with lane markings on the road is, unless there are also a sign posts, giving the same information, drivers not from that area, can't predict which lane they need to be in.. PS. I'm not defending the VW driver.
It just goes to show that you need to constantly watch out for idiots. The problem is, even if you have an accident which is not your fault, it can affect your insurance premium.
The camer could have helped by not straight lining the roundabout. Even if the SUV had turned right the accident may still well have happened. I think the insurance companies will see this as a 50/50 in the end.
I'd say it's pretty cut and dry that it's the fault of the SUV driver.
Agree, she should of realised that she wasn't going to out run the Cammer off the line, lifted off the accelerator and slotted in behind (that doesn't make it right) Yes the Cammer could have been more aware but it would be fair to assume that the VW would of been turning right. That the fact that she said that those from the right have priority after the collision says it all!
@@chrisward925 bet her name is "karen" and she wanted to speak to the manger afterwards
@@yodaslovetoy LOL!
they'd have crashed anyway, should have made an effort to take efforts to go in the outside lane.
@@flemit35 There isn't an outside lane as its a mini round about. It looks like the right hand lane should turn on to the right hand mini round about and the left hand lane goes on to the mini roundabout where the crash happened. It looks like a very odd piece of road. The lane markings are very clear though.
“Give way to the right”... going straight ahead in a right turn only lane... at a roundabout...
You really can’t fix stupid 🤦🏻♀️
Her hubby will be super pissed that she crashed the new car he bought her............ If she bought it herself she wouldn't be driving like such a ****.
Exactly. This is my most pet peeves. Those who lack lane discipline and use the wrong lane as a means to get ahead of traffic as if they think they are saving significant time. I wish there are cameras set up in these types of junctions
@@johnbower7452 what does her bad driving have to do with her sex habits?
On the edge of York at Grimston Bar it's two lanes at the roundabout, the left lane used to be for the A166 only (I'm going back a few years before they changed it) and the right lane was for the A1079. The number of idiots that used to come down the left lane and try and squeeze across in front of traffic in the right lane was ridiculous, it's a wonder we never saw any accidents there. One day a guy came to the depot to complain a bus wouldn't let him in when he was trying to do exactly that, when we pointed out the lane markings his response was "they are advisory only"
There's a lot of idiots on the road.
Incidentally I saw someone scrape a 70 reg Peugeot against a boulder the other day when he was trying to squeeze through a gap that wasn't there
Many years ago I had a car deliberately knock into me on my motorbike because I passed him 'on the inside' on a roundabout and 'everyone knows you shouldn't pass on the inside'. The only thing was that 'the inside' was on his right, literally the lane nearest the centre of the island, which is of course, perfectly legal and ordinarily safe in the absence of psychosis. Some people are not only too stupid to understand concepts but then use their misunderstanding as _casus belli._
Scary to think that she thought she had right of way. Even though she was in the wrong lane. Should be made to sit a retest before she kills somebody.
Agreed. It's super scary to think she's out there on the roads right now.
I don't know about retest looks more like a straight forward 6 month ban for undue care and attention and dangerous driving then be made to do a re-test
Got to laugh at people wanting a ban etc. A large part of the population would end up banned with the stuff I see on the roads if the police did even half their job. A large number of people could be banned in one day for using mobiles, speeding etc. It would make the roads quieter, but I wonder how many people saying that would themselves end up with a ban.
Especially as she seems totally unaware of the moving traffic violation she made: an offence of failing to circumnavigate the central marking, unless her car couldn't manage it, in which case it's the offence of driving an unroadworthy vehicle (as other cars, the cammer's for one, managed it).
@@andrewdeighton5926 good. A lot more people should be banned from driving.
I have no idea why these videos started appearing on my feed, but I'm glad they do. For anyone that is willing to watch them objectively, they help us to become better drivers. Anyone that thinks they know it all is a fool. I've been driving for about 27 years and I'm proud to say that I'm still learning.
In terms of the cycle lane, it's hard to tell with camera FOV but to have a cycle lane and what becomes two lanes of traffic, that all looks pretty tight. If I was a cyclist approaching this double roundabout I would probably dismount and walk around rather than enter that fluster cluck on wheels, but that's a personal choice. Yes, the camer should maybe be more aware of cycle lanes, but this particular layout looks pretty dangerous for everyone. With folks regularly diving down the inside I would probably absent mindedly be trying to avoid my wing mirror being swiped by another car rather than think of bicycles.
In terms of adjusting to the VW when it doesn't turn, it would be pretty hard to see this and correct in enough time. Trying to keep your eyes open and give way, predicting traffic flow on a double mini roundabout is hard enough without someone just diving up the inside and hoping you disappear. That's before you factor in the low sun and poor visibility etc. I probably would have struggled to notice the SUV given everything else that is happening.
SUV is ultimately completely at fault for having no idea how to read road markings and navigate a roundabout. If they really thought they had right of way then that's outright scary, they need points and a driving refresher course of some kind.
The battered Passat and Golf did the same thing, so I'd have been aware of the possibilty.
If the cammer followed the 2nd roundabout rather than trying to straightline it (which makes me think they WAS aware), then no accident would have happened - and the silver VW would've got away with it.
Too many self important, selfish arseholes on the roads, and the couple of police on the roads are only interested in speeding offences, not road safety.
@@waynedl99 Being from Canada, I have limited familiarity with this layout. From watching many clips online it seems as though nearly everyone straighlines these roundabouts, while my instinct would be to follow them. I now fear that if I were to follow them, folks would be constantly trying to overtake me like the VW, since they may assume I am about to turn on the immediate left. My question is, is straightlining for "through travel" proper practice, or are they truly meant to be followed?
@@Fartdemon they are meant to be followed
@@waynedl99 Thanks! Must be the most frustrating thing in the world driving in the UK with nearly everyone disobeying these minis
As a cyclist, i would be out of that "cycle lane" and in the main lane well before the lane splits for same reason ..
Love that lady clapping!
Awful driving by the new owner of the SUV. Awful junction design by thew highways department. Wouldn't cycle across there if you paid me 😂
I used to cycle round a double mini occasionally; its actually quite easy, for exactly the reason that all the car drivers on here are saying "that looks difficult". The fact that it is difficult in a car means everybody is going slowly (slower than a cyclist can), looking all around them, and being pragmatic rather than assertive about priority. It is certainly a damn sight easier than the large fast roundabouts I used to cycle round every day.
I'd like to think she stopped to give her details as a witness. I would and have in the past.
@@dickhelling3529 I very much doubt she is a Lady. A big clue is the crappy Peugeot
Ashley..... not sure if you missed a trick there.......
@1:19-1:25 Passat appeared to go straight ahead. Obviously we all saw the Golf do the same.
It seems pretty clear cut that the SUV was in a rush. Very heavy braking (snow/ice cascading off the bonnet is a clue) and maybe not the first time that driver has attempted this manoeuvre.
I am inclined to say that Zak was accelerating in the same manner as anyone else would - see a gap and go, rather than dawdle.
I would strongly recommend the junction be redesigned to a one lane; not two.... then that would eradicate future incidents such as what we've just witnessed.
Three cars in quick succession really indicates a pattern here - more than a coincidence imho.
Stay safe everyone 👍.
Agreed. 👆
At 1:24, you can see the sun reflecting from the lane arrow to the cammer’s right. That lane is right turn only. The Tiguan should have turned right at the first mini-roundabout but continued ahead. They’re totally at fault here
Can't see any bloody markings cause of the sun. That's probably the first problem in this situation. Then there's the issue of double mini roundabouts.
I'd like to get inside the mind of the person who invented the double mini roundabout...
Probably an early effort by the inventor of Swindon's Magic Roundabout. It is asking for trouble.
Nothing wrong with them, they work like any other roundabout
that would be like diving into the mind of a cereal killer!
It has the advantage of distributing priority more evenly where busier roads cross.
It’s probably taking so long as the SUV driver likely lied. Many years ago ( my first accident) I was hit head on. I was in my lane/side of road and the car came round the bend on the wrong side of the road (my side). I had managed to come to a complete stop before she hit me. Lucky it was a very slow impact. But for some reason I lost and was found at fault!!!! I had only been driving just over a year. By chance I found out that she had completely lied so I informed my insurance and they just said tough she is deemed to be more experienced (as was in her 40’s and been driving 20 years) and you’re inexperienced 🤬. She also let slip to me that she was recovering from another car accident and this was going through court and apparently could hardly move but was able to drive, jump out and run round her car bending down and looking it over. Also from a friend at the time she has done similar to his dad a couple years before. I actually don’t know if she made a claim against me or whether I just wasn’t aware of it? But there seemed to be a pattern!!!
The lady behind was the headsup of what was about to happen, she kept a keen eye on her right mirror at all times, she paid so much attention to overtaking vehicles, it's that local knowledge that is important.
The lady behind is if fact a seal.
But then got so excited and carried away clapping that she stopped dead, nearly causing a collision herself.
@@sinista.productions Stopping should never nearly cause a collision, It's what I would expect any driver experiencing a medical emergency to do and its the reason we keep breaking distances and pay attention...
Cammer definitely not in the wrong. The Volkswagen went straight in a right turn lane!
Easy - 6-8 points for Without due care for the SUV
I find it extremely unlikely the police would attend such a trivial collision to report such an incident.
The police are also widely reported as being uninterested in dash cam footage unless it a was a serious incident. So likely this stupid driver will likely remain belligerent and continue driving in exactly the same way.
I'm frankly surprised this isn't a blackspot for minor collisions, it likely gets like that every rush hour morning, and in a 2 minute clip we saw three vehicles do it... If that's typical, there's 90 cars an hour that cut ahead out of that lane. Even if what happened in this clip is a 0.1% (1:1000) chance that's 26 accidents a year caused by a pathetic road layout.
The insurers in all cases must surely have tried to implicate the council before now... problem roads and junctions like this need reporting, and dealing with. While it's easy to blame the twat headed drivers in each case, the road layout is enabling it, while the poor traffic flow encourages it.
Doubt it, she'll probably get a slap on the breast with a small fine or some shit
There's no enforcement of the law in this country so that's never gonna happen
Don't think so, collision was much too minor
@@richardjones2740 a slap on the breast!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"You're meant to give way to the right" Jesus Christ! If this wasn't recorded you know exactly where she was going with that statement.
I wonder why the insurance is still on going. I too blame the SUV. Dash cam footage is pretty good evidence
It's the insurers, I was involved in an accident, where it was a cut and dry rear end, however the insurance co wasted 5 months trying to get me to say i was injured when i wasn't and wouldn't progress the matter. just called 3-4 times per week to tell me they will get a doctor for me and i just need to say it "hurts here".
@@mentaljason The insurance company or another company claiming to be connected to the insurance company. Did you contact your insurance company and be told this or was it "they" contacting you?
@@radishpea6615 It was the insurance co, I'm tps registered and don't get spam/scam calls. It was them contacting me, however they mentioned the incident not me.
@@mentaljason ok thanks
The SUV driver braked really aggressively (hence the snow shooting forward). I think she was hoping that she didn’t have to stop at the roundabout and was already planning to drive straight across both roundabouts, until she had to brake at the last minute.
She was driving aggressively in my humble opinion. No need for gangsta granny to start applauding mind 😎 Poor lad
yes. *sometimes* you can get away with it (not that you should if it’s not a straight o/merge lane) on a big roundabout if you catch it right and you don’t have to stop, still risky of course. pretty much impossible on a roundabout this small. every one of the 3 drivers that does it here forces the car in the correct lane to have to react.
The gangsta granny was applauding the VW getting hit ..I presume she is pretty cheesed of with entitled f*ckwits pulling that stunt every day
@@kittyhawk9707 I felt sorry for the poor lad who got hit. Bless him. Have a lovely day Kitty 😊
Does Ashley's voice remind anyone else of ringo starr in thomas the tank?
Well they are both Liverpudlian, as was Michael Angelis who took over from Ringo's narrative role.
I remember in Ashley's earlier videos, (before he used to do "piece to camera") people used to say its "Pat Phelan" from Coronation Street.
SUV was trying it on just like the car before it. They won't try that again.
All it boils down to in situations like this is impatience, they don't want to queue.
I hope the cammer gets paid out.
Nope. No matter what the outcome of the insurance claim is, the SUV will believe they were absolutely in the right, and carry on doing exactly the same kind of thing.
@@timothymn2 Sad but true
Not really. As a result of this the cammer's insurance premiums are [likely] going to rise so although the physical damage may be repaired, they are still [likely] to suffer financial loss.
Save 1 minute off your queue, gain hours of swapping details, discussing with insurance, picking / dropping / arranging repairs. Profit?!
Is there any benefit in this instance for the woman behind the cammer to offer her details as a witness, even if she doesn't have a dashcam?
There is a benefit yes, but people behind rarely stop, you will even see in some dashcam compilations people will record an accident in front of them, laugh and carry on driving even though the video evidence will be a massive help. People rarely stop to offer assistance in these scenarios.
@@K.Pilkington Have only witnessed 2 such incidents in 30 years of driving and on both occasions, I stopped and gave my details. On one occasion where someone rear-ended me, a taxi stopped and gave me his details as a witness. So I think it may happen more than you think. To turn it around, would you stop?
@@fabsy64 I don't have any statistics unfortunately so it may well happen more than I think. Just going from accidents I have been in myself or people I know personally, I've never known anyone to have witness details. I would like to think I would stop to provide evidence but luckily I haven't witnessed any third party accidents myself. We'll done to you for stopping, I'm sure the innocent third party was very grateful.
@@K.Pilkington Yes, we can only go on personal experience. Fortunately, on all those occasions, they were pretty cut & dried so there was no need to contact me or them afterwards but it's always good to have witnesses just in case.
This incident is probably taking so long to sort out because daddy has finally refused to pay out on princess' horrific driving
Silver VW SUV driver needs to retake her test.
That assumes she took one (and passed)...
2 lanes for a mini roundabout will inevitably create confusion...
Its poor road planning but there are literally arrows painted on the ground so there is no confusion, the only issues this could ever cause is people piss cutting the roundabout
There’s a lot where I live and I don’t see many issues with them. The information is all there if you take in the road markings too.
@András Torma because the right hand lane isn’t meant to be going straight ahead so that leaves the room.
Remember you don’t have to go all the way around a mini roundabout, you’re allowed to cross over it.
I teach my students to ensure their left tyre goes around as that’s sufficient
No problems with the road, just the people using it.
Honestly I wouldn't let another car squeeze past me due to poor road development, I'll happily sit in both lanes haha
One other thing to mention is that the regulations require you to go round the paint unless impracticable. There seems plenty of room here for a car to do so, which neither of them did.
Give way to the right? She was coming from behind! If you look at the video again you will see that the cammer had to move the right so he didn't burst his tyre and derange his suspension on the kerb.
It looks also like the VW was trying to go straight over the roundabout, and was also caught off guard by the red Suzuki going around, so tried to squeeze through a gap that was getting smaller and ended up door slamming the cammer.
both hands off the wheel to clap. Also, I always clean the snow off our car before going out in it, just seams to be a good idea while the heater picks up and window defrost etc.
The Karen went over the roundabout. The Karen was in the wrong lane. Karens fault 100%
Could you use the word Karen a bit more please. On second thoughts that word is worn out enough.
Found the triggered Karen.
@@red2 and I've found a triggered Karen word user 😊
They both straight lined the mini roundabout as well, utter disregard for lane discipline in busy traffic and as you say, 'got away with it before'. Loved that Lady at the end :)
I have to push the road rage feelings aside when I see drivers blatantly taking advantage of others kindness and pushing to the front of lines they obviously know they should wait in. Such narcissists.
This is why I have a dashcam - it's saved me from many a tricky situation to explain. For example, in one situation a taxi driver reversed into my wife while she was stationary. With no other information, she would have been at fault - with the dashcam, no debate is possible. In another situation, I was rear-ended on a 2 lane divided A road, with 4 cars in the chain, I was at the front. The car behind me claimed no damage and drove off, the driver at the back claimed only 2 cars were involved. The insurance company started their dispute process which I cut short with the dashcam footage. Would never drive without a dashcam anymore, make sure it is front and back.
Where I live we have what I call an abnormal mini roundabout, because it doesn't conform to the standards of "keeping left to cross". Well, in fact it's a series of 3 consecutive mini roundabouts. On one of them, you do need the right-hand lane to cross the roundabout, and it throws/confuses anyone not familiar with the road.
"The broken line around the cycle area means you can go in it if it's safe and necessary..." I wouldn't say that. Legally, a motor vehicle can go in it; however, the guidance (which may be considered to determine the standard of driving in court) says you should not go in it unless it is unavoidable. It is almost always avoidable. Nor would I say it turns out not to have been a problem - decisions shouldn
't be taken using a retrospectograph. It could have been a problem in slow-moving traffic: the position would have prevented a cyclist from using it safely, had they approached; and the slow-moving nature would have prevented the driver from correcting his position. There was no need to be in the cycle lane, and it may have invited further problems by inviting overtakes or informal dualing.
2:10
and it doesn't end till 2:55 !!
You're right.
Cammer shouldn't be there.
I’m wondering if the cammer even saw the SUV before the crash.
Anyway, this is one of the most idiotic road layouts I’ve ever seen!
That is possible. I'm going to assume he did his mirror checks before moving off and that he was caught off guard. We've all had that 1 driver catch us all off guard while driving even with mirror checks (don't forget your blind spots).
He may have been aware of it but I would say it would have been very difficult in the time involved to have discerned that the VW had not turned left - and by then there was nothing he could have done about it anyway. Her decision to violate the lane markings caused that collision and she should be the one sanctioned.
Even if he didn't, to be honest, it's not his responsibility to, given that he's in front, an the SUV shouldn't be anywhere near him anyway, since it's in a lane for turning off.
I agree that this accident wasn’t the cammer’s responsibility, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t have to look. He =might= have been able to avoid the crash.
@@mrblablablabla Of course, it would have helped in this context.
Note the agressive braking by the SUV as the snow slides off the bonnet, I think they know what they are going to do but I would have probably taken a better road position to deter this.
yes, however i just don’t get the mentality of, when they were unlucky and had to stop, still trying it on rather than just admitting defeat and indicating/merging in behind the cam car.
another great video showing what can happen when people don't concentrate on road markings
.. Theres something similar that happens by Stanley Road police station which I'm sure you're familiar with, were traffic in a right turn only go straight ahead.... One of my pet hates when I'm driving.... Theres also the junction on Walton Hall avenue were people from Barnsbury Road turn right and also from queen's drive down Grandison Road... Perhaps this could be a future video for people to learn from?
i think i have met someone like this, used the right hand lane of a 4 exit (left, straight, right and U) roundabout to turn left into the right hand lane.
"I may noteth be perfect, but I am far neareth than some of thee cattlebreeds thy see upon the roads." - W Shakespeare after coming home through Birmingham on the M6 instead of using the Toll Road.
I also noticed how much snow slid off the suv bonnet coming up to the roundabout. Aggressive breaking!!. And hard acceleration to try and get past the cammers car.
The fact it has taken nearly 7 months for the insurance to direct fault of a crash which is so obviously who is to blame is mind boggling, Corona or not.
I think it’s also to do with how minor the accident therefor the damage will be, it’s low down on the priority list, I had someone reverse into my car early last year outside my house and the insurance took over 5 months to deal with it, March this year I had an old man pull out on me on a junction that cut across a dual carriageway that wrote my car off and it only took his insurance 10 days from the day of the accident to fully payout to me.
Looking at the size of the roundabout, how on earth can they justify splitting that into 2 lanes? It doesn't look like there's enough room for 2 cars along side each other going around the mini roundabout
Take her license away, that is some dreadful driving. Give way to the right? She clearly hasn't got a clue
Anyone notice the red car turning right on the second roundabout (rear cam) that looks like they had to stop because the cam car and VW had shot onto the second roundabout without giving way to the right (1.40 indicator on coming round second roundabout)
You’re right, well spotted. Looks to me like the red car may well have had priority since it was possibly across the line first?
I saw the opposite happen last week.
The car in front of me, in the left only lane (arrow left only, + there is no ahead exit here at all), turned right at the mini roundabout - and without an indication.
The VW Suv standard of driving!
Theres a mini roundabout near Moor Bridge in Nottingham with 3 lanes... its hell
I just think there are too many SUVs being driven around.
The low sun obscuring road markings won't help. Even a good, experienced driver could be forgiven for not being able to discern them. However, the low sun should be a sign to proceed with caution. The cammer doesn't, but the SUV driver definitely doesn't and collides from behind, by far the biggest fault (driving without due care and attention). Even if low sun isn't affecting you, be wary of others that could be affected by it. Classic sign: long shadows.
the VW must have driven stright across the mini roundabout ie made no effort to go around it; is that what the highway code works ?
The classic case of My CaR iS bIgGeR tHaN YoUrS sO I'm MoRe ImPoRtAnT.
Just wondering, while clearly the SUV is in the wrong here is the cammer also not utilising the roundabout effectively? He appears to be just going straight on while not following the outside lane, which to me looks like if someone in the right lane was correctly positioned and wanted to actually turn right then they wouldn't be able to do so without colliding with the cammer. You can see that the SUV mounts over the roundabout in the clip which is where she'd have ended up even if turning right.
I'm a learner-driver. To me, the VW SUV driver was in the wrong for going into the right-turn-only lane but then going straight on, and for apparently not understanding how priority on roundabouts works. The driver with the camera made three errors: driving in the cycle lane; not spotting that the silver saloon ahead had move onto the roundabout; and not driving cautiously enough given the potentially dazzling sunlight and the blind spot created by the van in front of him as it took the exit.
The cammer looks like they straight lined it too.
Omg the Peugeot nearly caused an accident herself with the white car from her right... Madness
How? She saw two vehicles colliding in front of her, so stopped her car as she should do. Plus there was a car going on her right on the second roundabout. She drove to the book.
@@khalidacosta7133 nope don't agree. Rubber necking causes accidents
@@passkat What was she meant to do? Drive into the cars that had crashed ahead of her or block the roundabout?
She tried to jump the queue because she thinks she's special.
Doesn't the law state give way to vehicles in rotation on the roundabout, No one has priority access to a roundabout. At what stage is a car deemed to be on the Roundabout?
That's a horrible road layout!
You can see on the approach the the roundabout some of the cars going passed on the right, don't actually turn right. Clearly this is one of those bits of road where it has become routine to skip the queue and jump in. I would be willing to bet that it's not the first time the VW driver has done the exact same thing.
am i right in saying that the suv driver drove on a hatched area on a busy road? yet caused a collision on a marked roundabout by not using it as an actual roundabout?
The Passat does it too - everyone queue jumping
The cammer did straight line the roundabout a bit too much which didn’t help.
Totally with the cammer on this one. When a roundabout is busy, as this one obviously is, it is good practice to move briskly to avoid interrupting the flow of the traffic. The cammer was well positioned to exit the first roundabout and the silver car would have probably been in his blind spot. Although he was probably aware of it, he would have expected it to be turning right. Given the size of the roundabouts and the two lane entrance, there would have been very little time for the cammer to react once they realised (if they even had a warning) that the silver car was trying to overtake them on the roundabout.
Surprising you didnt point out the snow on the bonnet flying off when she hit the breaks really hard to stop.
Looks like the SUV was always planning on going over the round about, rather than around.
Dangerous driving, hope she learnt her lesson
Judging by her comments on giving way to the right, probably not.
All those tiny roundabouts (tinybouts?). Havent seen them anywhere outside UK. They're so confusing and hard to nav through!
This is a bit of deja vu. Only a few weeks ago did I have a guy raging at me because he turned right from the left hand lane on a roundabout. He pulled up alongside me as I was in the right-hand lane indicating right, followed me the whole way round on the left hand side, yet was somehow surprised that I...turned right? There's no helping some people. Thing is though, he was also driving a newish Tiguan! Are they being issued to the stupid now like a 21st century Invacar??
Regarding the VW's insurance I can well believe that this has (or will) end up with both insurers paying out 50/50... The reason I say this is that I am currently is dispute with LV over an almost identical incident where they have paid out without informing me of their decision despite my dashcam and 2 of their call centre staff confirming I was in the correct lane but apparently LV's dispute department think otherwise. According to them any accident on a roundabout is treated by the insurance industry as a 50/50.
One other point I would like to make is that the SUV was also in breach of the road traffic act when it drove across the mini roundabout. Since it is not an unusually large vehicle it should be going AROUND the roundabout (yes even mini ones) not over them.
The left hand car cut straight across into the right turning lane. If there are 2 cars then you have to stick in your lane, even if its tight. But I would have expected him to cut across. I would have hung back to make space
Although not very significant in the collision, the fact that the road markings a very worn combined with the wet road and low sun probably made the markings all but invisible so in these conditions one should perhaps bear in mind that someone unfamiliar with the road might end up in the wrong lane .
@András Torma I was in no way suggesting that the SUV wasn't at fault. I was making a general point that it is worth bearing in mind where lane markings are difficult or impossible to see that others might not do what their road positioning suggests - that your foreknowledge of the road layout might not be shared by all those around you. In this case I suspect the SUV driver was all too familiar with the road and, given her misunderstanding of give-way rules, I wonder if she is always in a new car having written off all previous ones in short order.
That junction looks like a right mess.
The lady in the car behind nearly caused a second accident by clapping and blocking the roundabout
I live in a country where mini roudabouts doesent exist, and i really dont get the point with them. Seem to cause more problems and. crashes because people just drive right over them, please correct me if im wrong
Is this from Zacs dash cam channel?
it's a roundabout not a square about not a strait about a roundabout is a roundabout no matter what size and same rule applies to them all .
Before I even watched the video I knew it'd be some nimrod who drove straight over the central marking. You see it constantly. It's against the law, people.
Broken white lines on outside of hatched area means you can drive in it, if necessary and is safe (clearly not in this case...).Solid lines bordering the hatched area mean you must not enter it except in an emergency (which this wasn't). Highway Code rule 130.
@@CaseyJonesNumber1 I'm talking about 188: Mini-roundabouts: All vehicles MUST pass round the central markings except large vehicles which are physically incapable of doing so.
I know am late but recently came accross ya channel.. Ill only add thats awefully tame for bradford.... theres a reason I go WAY out of my way to avoid driving through and its because driving like that isnt the worst you see (that and the offences are never a mistake its always on purpose)
That SUV knew exactly what they were doing. They've probably done it a hundred times thinking that the person at the front of the queue would just yield, which happens more often than not. See it all the time here in Swansea at certain lights where there are two clear lanes with designated turning instructions and people always seem to "forget" and push in front of everyone.
G'day Ashley, maybe you can answer a question about UK roundabout laws for me. I'm an Aussie and I watch a lot of these types of dashcam clips since I can't get out and about it makes me feel like I can. However, I've noticed an interesting aspect of the clips in regards to UK roundabout. First, many of the Aussie traffic laws mirror those of the UK, and in the case of roundabouts the 2 key ones are: (a.) vehicles IN the roundabout have priority over those entering the roundabout, (b) vehicles on the right have priority when entering the roundabout at the same time, so watch for them and give way. I checked the UK traffic laws and they say something similar but not as clearly, yet I often see clips of drivers thinking they have right of way over traffic on their left while they're a few metres back from the roundabout and the other vehicle is at the roundabout or just entering it. A common one is a car will be more than half way into the roundabout when the cammer crosses the line marking the edge of the roundabout intersection then hit their horn expecting the car that was already in the roundabout before they got there to give way to them. Under Aussie law the car on the left was already in the roundabout and had priority and right of way, yet the UK traffic law doesn't seem to be that clear cut in this situation. Would you please comment on this to clarify if the UK law is the same as the Aussie law or different.
th-cam.com/video/a18onMUQyVc/w-d-xo.html This might answer your question 👍🏼
@@ashley_neal Thank Neal, you explain things very well. In that clip you gave the link to there's an incident with a Clio at 4:53. At the point the Clio reaches the give way line for the roundabout the black car has already crossed the line and is IN the roundabout. Under Aussie law the black car has right of way due to being IN the roundabout before the Clio enters it. I've seen UK examples like this where the black car was fully across the line before the other entered the roundabout. The actual wording in Aussie law is: Vehicles entering a roundabout must give way to any vehicle already in the roundabout.
With what you say a little after the Clio incident it seems the UK Highway code does NOT differentiate between the roundabout intersection itself and the approaches to it. That then raises the issue of how far down the street on the right requires you to give way to an approaching vehicle? At what point is it far enough away you can say it doesn't have right of way?
On a related issue, when roundabouts were first introduced here in NSW in the 1970s most were only a metre in diameter, now most are 3 to 6 metres in diameter. However, they have always had a proper lay-back gutter the same height as the kerb gutters and it gave you a hell of a jolt if you hit it. Thus you'd never get away with cutting the corner the way the Clio did.
It also looks like the car behind the Peugeot does a little bit of littering at about 2.30 onto the pavement. VW and Audi drivers don’t have to stand in traffic. They are on important business and far too busy to wait. 😤
Wait a second.... This is meant to be a two lane mini roundabout? So why are the cammer (and other drivers) not keeping to the left while on the roundabout? They basically cut the ppl that are in the right lane off by driving that close past the middle, because they leave no room for cars going right on the roundabout.
Can somebody explain? If were right, this would mean both parties are 50% at fault here.
I've got a slightly different take on this incident. The driver in the left hand lane (intending to go straight on) should actually be steering towards the left in order to follow the two lanes traversing the roundabout. To me the driver takes off in a straight direction. There is no indication the SUV is doing anything other than turning right, but who's lane is encroached by the car on the left causing the coming together of the two vehicles. Not familiar with this junction, so my analysis may not be entirely correct, but just expressing an alternative view.
@András Torma If you rewind to 1:37, you will see the SUV is indicating to turn right. Don't think Ashley picked that up in his analysis of the incident. As I said in my original post, the driver in the left hand lane should have steered left to begin with in order to follow the correct lane round the roundabout. He was the one actually guilty of poor lane discipline
It's not a signal at 1:37 it's the way the dash cam records the daytime running lights 👍🏼 If you look again both sides are the same.
@András Torma You may be right, and I may be retarded, but you do sound like an unpleasant individual
You can clearly see its an everyday drive and occurrence. Cam vehicle is to far left, but obviously knows the road splits into right turn only and ahead only so can be put down to planning ahead. As for the SUV I think you covered it all in your analysis other than to say that a couple of hours with an examiner or tutor would probably do the world of good for her, as it would for all of us occasionally. Sad thing is that even with this collision she won't change her driving or her attitude. So potentially this is going to happen over and over again
I'm surprised they haven't replaced the roundabouts with a set of traffic lights, which seems to be the fashion nowadays. It looks quite a dangerous junction though - at first I thought the cam car was too close to the middle of the roundabout until I realised that was the second roundabout and the car in the right hand lane should have turned right before then
Here in Reading we have a few drivers who go by the rule, in some EU states (eg Poland), that: 'He who gets to the mini roundabout first has priority'. Nightmare. Also I wonder how much snow was on that bonnet when she left home?
They are probably Polish drivers you are seeing, applying their driving styles to Reading's roads!
Should be a open and shut case for the insurance company, SUV went straight on at a right turn only lane, Dumb drivers
I didn't realise what happened before you started analysing, I'd never have thought that it's another of those doubled roundabouts, we don't have those here in Poland, I don't quite understand why would you create such a confusing thing on the road.
@András Torma Nice racism
@András Torma dude, the road design here is retarded in some places that's true, also many people drive without any thought or consideration, accidents and rear ends also happen of course, but is it any different in other countries? People are stupid everywhere, the only difference in Poland is that most seem to be thinking that they have "above average skill" or something, supposedly it's not like that in all countries, that's what I heard in the radio at least.
I worked for an insurance claims department a long time ago, anytime a claim for a collision on a roundabout came in they automatically put it down to 50/50 blame as standard practice. Don’t know if this was just the company I worked for or even just the manager who ran the team, but always seemed unfair to me..
One would hope that the cam footage would put that to rest in this case - I've been on the wrong side of a 50/50 incident thanks to the other driver's wife making up a story about why I was to blame because she was speculating on where I was going (in her handwriting ironically even though she wasn't even there) - sadly dashcams weren't around then so it was my word against his and I suspect in hindsight he had been drink driving, but didn't think to call the police as from a past experience they said they wouldn't attend unless someone was hurt - I won't make that mistake again!
I firmly believe the SUV should pick up the tab for this as it was a selfish and borderline reckless maneuver.
Crazy that good drivers have to keep an eye out for those bad ones. The VW SUV's behaviour was very poor in saying you give way to those on the right. Not even aware it was a right turn only lane. It could be what Ash mentioned before, people in more expensive cars think they are better and entitled. "I can take the fast lane and zip by all the others, who must give way to me". And/or was just plain ignorant and stupid - unaware of the rules. Was her name Karen? Either way, it does not reflect well on her. I hope she sees how wrong she was, eats humble pie and improves as a driver (and perhaps as a person too).
On my first watch I thought the cammer was accelerating a bit too much on the 2nd roundabout considering a car was pulling in front. Then on 2nd watching saw how the cammer didn't go around the 2nd roundabout at all but straight across it. Had they gone more around instead of going over it, the collision might have been avoided.
Both of those observations were things which they could have done to mitigate the bad driving on part of the SUV, neither would have been an issue if the SUV hadn't disregarded road markings and tried to overtake on a mini roundabout. So definitely the SUV is at fault for creating the issue. The cammer just wasn't able to correct it. It's not clear if the cammer was aware the SUV hadn't turned right at the first roundabout, that's what their road position entering indicated.
I can't help but wonder if that volks wagen was in their blind spot. And that lady behind the cammer has definitely seen incidents like that regularly at those mini roundabouts. The cammer could have done better like not be so far over to the left (maybe he was so far over due to the low lying sun?) or keen to go but the silver volks wagen is definitely at fault for not using a right turn only lane correctly.
Roads are designed to be used by normal average drivers, not super advanced drivers like all of us in the comments section. At the moment of the crash the cammer had to be concentrating on the situation ahead for safety and couldn't be expected to know exactly what was happening behind them in their blind spot at that exact moment. That's why the highway code makes it the responsibility of each driver on a roundabout to keep safe space AHEAD of them. The silver car broke this rule as well as being in the wrong lane, so it's a double fail.
Which one is the SUV?
I know this set of roundabouts well. If you watch, the golf before also goes straight on at high speed in the right turn lane. It's in Bradford, home of the most selfish drivers I've ever come across. Any opportunity to jump a queue and push in will be aggresively taken. Be very wary, it's one of the highest areas of the UK for uninsured/unlicesed drivers.
Perhaps the centre of a mini roundabout should be marked by a tall, solid concrete bollard. Would this assist lane discipline?
Nah it would just result in worse vehicle damage as people try and ram each other out of the way. Would also be very dangerous for large vehicles and emergency services
I don't think the cammer could have done anything different, because of how fast the SUV cam down the side of them, plus they probably didn't know they were there as with the roundabouts being so close together, they would have been looking to if its safe to pull out on the second one, not for someone flying down in the wrong lane.
One of the passing cars allready had his side dented pretty good before (s)he came to the roundabout ...
Yes she was in the wrong but double mini roundabouts like this are an unnecessary hazard and should be changed to traffic light controlled. Obviously the council prefers not to spend the money.
1 out of the 4 vehicles turned right using that lane
The problem with lane markings on the road is, unless there are also a sign posts, giving the same information, drivers not from that area, can't predict which lane they need to be in.. PS. I'm not defending the VW driver.
It just goes to show that you need to constantly watch out for idiots.
The problem is, even if you have an accident which is not your fault,
it can affect your insurance premium.
6:20 That lady is a fucking legend
The camer could have helped by not straight lining the roundabout. Even if the SUV had turned right the accident may still well have happened.
I think the insurance companies will see this as a 50/50 in the end.
Go right if your in a right only turn , do not try to go straight ahead