We are hearing this a lot lately. We are in the business of educating. The goal of every video we make is to teach you something new or provide something for you to use. There are a lot of really fun channels out there that are about entertainment. This is definitely not us. Tim wishes he was funnier if that counts. 😂
@@LinessaFarms not everything needs to be funny, this content is so full of information that it is not boring or hard to stay attentive. I feel like back on college, got my pen and paper out and everything. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Every video is absolutely needed. Thank you again....you are so right about the mind set when checking eyelids' of thinking just about worms. So much more to know. We who are just starting out can not thank you enough for what you do.
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I have learned so much from you!! And that last little tidbit at the end about spots on the nose and around the mouth were extremely helpful!!! Thank you!!!
I am so happy to have come across your channel! I have a goat with lice and sprayed her and her herd sisters with Permectin, but I was considering buying CyLence so am grateful for your confirmation. I’ve shared your channel with a friend who raises many goats and sheep.
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Great video. Your goats look amazing. You didn't mention whip worm and lung worm. I had run into whip worm twice in a particular doe. Even though ivermectin is said to work for whip worm I had better results with fenbendazole. Lungworm could be taken care using ivermectin. Thanks again.
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Have you ever used diatomaceous earth either topically or internally? If so, what was your experience? Just to clarify for those who may not be familiar with the term, diatomaceous earth is not dirt, it is the finely powdered skeletal structure of an aquatic organism. I have found it to be an excellent repellent for keeping insects out of barns and storage areas.
We do not use this. I am familiar with how it works and why it works, we just choose not to use it. For its use regarding parasites either topically or internally, we do not advise it’s use.
I use DE myself, and in certain circumstances it works very well, like when sprinkled across the doorway where ants are parading into your house the parade gradually dwindles until the last ant is dead three weeks later. I have also found it very effective for chickens, both for lice and mites, but again it takes time for it to work and you absolutely want to be dusting outside on a breezy day to prevent inhalation. For any critter with a thick coat though, like a lot of dogs or sheep, I can't see it working well - if at all - because it would just be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to get the product worked right down to the skin where the parasites are. Not to mention it would be an incredibly messy endeavor! As for internal use, I argue with my friend about this all the time... She swears it keeps the worms down in her dog, but DE is actually a silica supplement for livestock and is absolutely useless as an insecticide once wet. It also only works on critters with an exoskeleton, which worms do not have.
Thank you so much for this much needed video as I am just about to worm and provide the CD&T booster to my goats in the next hour and a bit nervous making sure I’m not making an error.
Great video! Its crazy to realize that Microscopic Lice are able to kill something thousands x bigger than themselves. I woulda never guessed if not for this video. Thats scary
Hello, Shawn. Yeah. We’ve seen goats completely infested with lice. It’s definitely bad news. We like to use Cylence on all our goats in the spring time at the first sign of lice. It’s pretty normal here in Indiana. We just expect lice every year… they tend to come in on the bedding.
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Do you teach any classes? It's been over 20 years since I learned all this things. Just had two goats dropped off as a gift😩 pulled out my animal science books and talk about head ache.
Hello. I do a 1 hour live stream at least once every 2 weeks. You can follow us online on Facebook and you will be able to see our schedule. You can also join our online Facebook group by searching for Linessa Farms Tack Box. 👍🏻
Thanks for the quick response. Great info. I have another question for you. If I am giving antibiotics to a large 200lb boer goat would you advise splitting the dose into two separate shots in different areas or giving the full amount (10cc) in one location ?
My uncle told me about a lung/ gut dewormer that started with the letter N. He was specific on it and like a fool I didn’t save more information on it. I’ve spend the past 2 hours looking everywhere for help. This was useful but anybody have any wisdom ? My situation may help I have 2 small sheep that have seem to stunted in growth. Big bellies on them but no growth in size. They are about a year old. Don’t just wanna give them anything since he made it clear things like ivermectin was not what I was looking for.
Where do you live? They could possibly have issues with coccidia as well. One common dewormer for goats that starts with the letter "N" is "Nemex" or "Nemexin." This dewormer contains the active ingredient pyrantel pamoate and is effective against roundworms in goats. It is important to always follow the manufacturer's instructions and consult with a veterinarian before administering any medication to your goats.
@@LinessaFarms an hour south of Austin near Lockhart. and im searching up Nemex right now and its not it; when I found it the first time it was only from searching it up by name exactly other than that i havent found any trace of it on the internet even in reddit post, or science articles talking about types of dewormers. My uncle is a man who works with animals in Mexico so maybe its not a well used medicine in the states. I know it exist for sure because we found plenty of websites selling it whenever we did have access to the name. If only I had taken a screenshot. The more I look into it I may be remembering wrong, because so far levamisole hydrochloride seems to be the closest thing to what I need. but i cant find much anecdotes of people using it. more talk of it if its actually useful one would assume.
1% cyfluthrin such as that found that in Cylence can be an effective treatment for lice, mange, or mites in sheep as well. We have used it in the past with no noted side effects.
@@LinessaFarms thanks. We just lost a goat we have had for two years. We are new goat owners and was doing all the “ remedies”. Apple cider vinegar. Baking soda. Gas x. In the end we don’t really know what killed her. Have her vitamin b shot. We don’t know if she had bloat/ pneumonia/ lice/ or god knows what parasite. We didn’t own a thermometer yet so don’t know if she had a temperature. Our other goat seems just fine. We haven’t changed Thier diet at all. Small amount of grain every morning with Bermuda hay in Thier feeder. We are working on our goat emergency bag now so that we have more of these things on hand.
@@GunninWizard that’s great. It is a learning process. I am sorry you lost your goat. I hope you are able to get the information you need. We have a lot of videos and resources available to help you out and I am always available to answer questions. We have a forum/group on Facebook you can check out by searching for Linessa Farms Tack Box. If you have time to check out our video on the trifecta method, please do. I will attach a link in the next comment. Best of luck to you and thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to leave us a comment.
If you are having cold temperatures, high starch foods and foods with a lot of easily available calories can help the animals to stay warmer. Here in the US we use corn as it is high in starch and has lots of available energy.
Hello, Doug. The red color in the eyelids is due to the blood cells in the capillary bed/thin tissue in the eyes. There are only a few places in the body where this is visible. Even in humans, if you pull down the eyelid, you will see a nice red color (assuming they aren’t anemic). There are some tests used in the sheep and goat industry to check the eyelids. This is often referred to as the FAMACHA scale. You can read more about this with a google search. In the end, the redder the eyelid, the higher the hemoglobin count more than likely. We get concerned as the eyelids get lighter. Light pink is a sign of a parasite burden, white eyelids are a sign of serious lack of hemoglobin/blood cells. Hopefully this helps.
We've had a few bouts with Coccidia with our goats. I don't see any information about Corrid on that download. Wondering what dosage you give and if you give b-complex afterwards?
Hello, Edwin. We have more specific videos about coccidia which you can see here. th-cam.com/video/0Ow1VQpQqfg/w-d-xo.html We focus a lot on prevention here at Linessa Farms. If we need corrid, we would use the liquid as directed which I believe is at a ratio of 3oz corrid to 16oz water. We would utilize vitamin B complex after a few days. We more often than not give vitamin B as a supplement treatment for any sick animal. We have had very good success with keeping coccidia away through use of medicated feed. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching our videos.
@@LinessaFarms thanks, I was trained that this was a preventive measure against all external parasites and their consequent diseases.. regularly spraying them every week or every 2 weeks or etc
I typically stick to "natural" remedies, but we have some lice in the barn and I'm looking into Cylence. The goats are chewing on themselves a bit due to the biting lice. Is it okay if I apply cylence and they chew that spot? I read it's 80-90% bioavailable orally. I know it's safe topically, but I was curious if the smell would deter them from getting it in their mouth. Thanks as always!
Hello there! It’s in an alcohol suspension so it has a pretty nasty smell. We have put it on a rag and wiped it on legs before without any problems. I would still apply it along the back to protect them totally. On a secondary note, we have seen some farms deal with simultaneous occurrences of mange mite AND lice. Sometimes it can be difficult to determine what you’re dealing with. Generally, if we see missing hair on legs or face, we lean more towards mange but this is not an exact science. The reason I bring this up is because mange is a booger to kill and we have found it is best handled with an injection of Dectomax AND topical use of Cylence. Dectomax is given as an IM injection at a rate of 1ml per 110 pounds of body weight per manufacturer directions. As always, we appreciate you watching our content. 😬🎅🏻
@@LinessaFarms That's what I hoped to hear. I haven't found any scabbing, and their coats look perfect. The only indication of a problem was a bit of chewing on themselves and enjoying being scratched too much. I have confirmed the lice on inspection and combing, and they look to be biting rather than sucking. Hoping this will nip the problem in the bud for a good spring and kidding. I will keep the dectomax in mind in case the problem isn't resolved. Thanks again!
We wash our sheep a few times a year as we get ready to show them. Usually, the initial wash will consist of water only to help get debris and grime out of the fleece. After this, a lot of people will use fancy soaps used for sheep and goats. We personally just use soft soap brand soap from Walmart. 😬 Sheep have a natural water protective substance called lanolin which helps to make their fleece water proof. Some breeds have far more lanolin than others which makes washing sheep a different job for everyone depending on the breed. Once you get your sheep, you’ll have to see what kind of coat they have and see what works best for you.
Their is a really good book called natural goat care by pat colby. She suggests for mites its a sulfur defincency ans she is a avacate of copper sulfate and dolimite combo for internal and external controls. When you mix the 2 you dont have copper toxicity and she also has the measurements in the book.
We are aware of her writings. Some people swear by her, other people think she’s a complete quack. If you are happy with the results, do what works for you. 👍🏻
Do you have a video on parasite identification? Or could do one? I'm doing my own fecals now. I don't trust what I'm seeing and yet there's critters there. The Baermann method left a good bit to see also. I suspect lungworms due to a cough and such. BUT, what if they're another variety with this being so new.. I've searched for videos but so far have come up with much lacking.. ..
Hello Teri. I have dreaded this day for a long time. I assumed eventually someone was going to call me out for not having a fecal egg count video. There are few people who perform their own fecal egg counts but I suppose for those of us who do, it is an important task to learn. I will put together a video for you, however please be advised there are a few videos ahead of you. At Linessa Farms we perform the modified McMaster method. I will have to figure out how to take images with my microscope and put together some imaging of typical parasites as well. I will expect a Christmas card in the mail.
@@LinessaFarms I don't mean to call you out lol. I got stuck on identification. I do think it's lungworm but heck, I'm new to this and a few worms look very similar. There are eggs that look similar too. I have searched everywhere for some videos under the microscope that compare these that look so much alike. It may be too difficult to put together and if so I certainly understand why given the time it takes me just to get all things prepared much less imaging! Thank you!
A lot of producers used copper sulfate and tobacco. When I was growing up raising sheep, I worked for an older sheep farmer. I have talked to some sheep farmers in their 80’s now that are generational farmers and they all seem to tell me the same thing. Even the U of Kentucky mentions copper sulfate being used back in the 1920s and 30s. So why the tobacco? Tape worms respond well to nicotinic which can be made from boiling down tobacco in water to a syrup and added to feed or drenched at a specific concentration. Super dangerous, because if you get it wrong, you kill them. 🫤 Worse news? If you splash concentrated nicotine on yourself, it can kill you too. Nicotine affects the nervous system by binding to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which are involved in transmitting nerve signals. In small doses, nicotine can lead to effects like increased heart rate, blood pressure, and alertness. However, in high concentrations, nicotine can overwhelm the nervous system and lead to symptoms like vomiting, diarrhea, tremors, seizures, paralysis, and ultimately respiratory failure. Old time farmers were doing almost all grazing on large parcels of land which is another factor to consider. The other factor to consider is genetics. There are some farms that state they have good genetics, which we don’t doubt. I watched an interview with a large sheep producer that said he didn’t worm a whole semi load of sheep and they all died but 5. That’s one way to do it, arguably, just depends on how much of a loss you are willing to take. So, I think a lot of factors. I am of the belief a farm can develop worm resistant sheep, it just depends on what cost you are willing to accept.
@@LinessaFarms we have only few kathadin and dorper sheep and Im watching about rotational grazing and not worming . I think its probably too good to be true and for sure alive sheep is better then dead sheep :) thank you for your videos
My sheeps keep scratching their body against the fence, what is that could be? Mange mites fleas, or lice? I really can't figure it out...any suggestions can be helpful please
Hello! Thanks for watching our videos and thanks for taking the time to send us a question. Scratching can be a sign of many issues or sometimes just nothing at all. Some sheep just like to scratch. Fleas and lice tend not to be an issue on most wool breeds but can become an issue on hair sheep. Fungus can be an issue and some diseases like scrapie are also associated with scratching. I would really need to see a picture of the sheep to help you out more. If you would like me to look at the sheep go ahead and post a few pictures of them on our forum. You can find it by searching for Linessa Farm’s Tack Box on Facebook. Thanks!
I didn't think DE would be useful on goats for live but didn't want to put powerful insecticidal powder on my baby goats so I sprinkled DE on them and they stopped itching. My Boer buck has terrible hair loss/scratching issues and have used the injectable wormers which seems to help but not for too long. Do you use the injectable wormer Sub-Q, or orally? Thanks for the great information you put out on videos. It is hard to find information on goat care when you don't know anyone who raises goats locally.
Hello Cee. As always, thanks for watching the videos and for the comments. Regarding your buck.... I would consider giving him an IM injection of dectomax at a rate of 1ml per ~100pounds and also administer the cylence along his back with a 10ml syringe. Make sure you get it on his skin. Follow up with him in another week with another 10ml application of cylence. Make sure he has access to free choice goat mineral without phosphorus as well. If you don’t have access to this, consider purchasing copper bolus on amazon www.amazon.com/UltraCruz-Copper-Bolus-adults-count/dp/B01LW7QLOE/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=copper+bolus+gun+for+goats&qid=1618521757&sprefix=copper+bolu&sr=8-3 I would also consider giving him a vitamin B injection every 7 days for a few weeks. (Basically I would treat him for vitamin and mineral deficiency and mange). I told you I didn’t want to talk about DE but since you brought it up, be careful applying it to animals and around yourself. Dust from DE is highly irritable/potentially damaging to the mucous membranes, eyes, and lungs. 😬
Hello, Caleb. Differences between sheep and goats can mean different parasite burdens. Goats tend to have higher incidents of lice and mange than wool sheep but sheep are at risk for issues such as fly strike and other foot problems most goats are not. In the end, just consider all possible problems and don’t just blindly assume GI worms. 👍🏻
Wondering if its best to give Pennicillan IM or SQ? I have read, and heard that if I hit a vein doing it IM, it could cause instant death. What is your recommendation? Thank you!
We give all of our antibiotics subq unless there is a really really sick animal that needs a heavy dose fast. In this case I may give normal dose subq and also a smaller dose IM to get it into their system faster. The likelihood of hitting a vein or artery is very very low. If you did, there are only a handful of medications that would cause death, most antibiotics would not. As you probably know, most of our patients in the hospital that are very sick with an infection or sepsis will receive antibiotics IV. To be devils advocate, these medications are specifically designed to be given IV, but there isn’t much in most antibiotics you would use that would cause death. You are not the first person to come to us with this question and we will probably address this in a video soon. With all this being said, we want you to give medications the correct way. If you give an IM injection and you want to be on the safe side, you can inject and then pull back on the plunger. We call this “aspirating”. If you were in a vein or artery, you would get a flash of blood back in the plunger. 👍🏻 This is typical best practice for giving IM shots on animals and humans. Hope this helps!
Just to be clear, insert the needle, pull back on the plunger, look for blood. No blood, go ahead and inject. If you are in a vein or artery, it will not be subtle. You will know.
Thank you for answering so quickly I just lost a lamb today sadly and I’m certain it is fit this very topic headed out to the barn immediately to at least topically for the moment. Where is the best place to educate myself on a better managed program. How often, for each of these products. How would you schedule your parasite management
@@codymaltzman945 th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html Check that video out and let me know if you have any questions. We also have a Facebook group called Linessa Farm’s Tack Box.
Are there any other products available for external parasites on sheep? I recently bought some not-so-healthy Romanovs. The girl I bought them from said she just wormed them, but the really thin one is still not putting on weight. I checked her eyelids yesterday: pale. I gave her ivermectin this morning, then inspected her skin: lots of what initially just appeared to be dirt/dead skin bits, but looking closer these bits looked almost identical to poultry lice, only just a fraction of the size! I haven't seen cydectin on the shelves at my feed store, but I do know they have a pyrethrin product, but if I recall, it's meant as a spray for barn surfaces. I do have canine advantix handy, which is a single-ingredient product; would that work/be safe to use? I know I can smother them (the lice) with a mayonnaise bath (how I used to treat my cats and small pets when I had them), but the sheep haven't finished shedding yet and that would take A LOT of mayonnaise!
Cylence can be purchased online at various suppliers such as Valley Vet supplies. Just do a google search for Cylence. There are other permethrin products available such as Ultra Boss as well. Full wool sheep will rarely get lice or keds as the lanolin they produce works as a natural barrier. This is not saying it doesn’t happen though. Ideally, shear the sheep and see what you are dealing with. If you see active lice, treat them. Most lice are very species specific so you don’t have to worry about cross contamination, especially with poultry. Even goats and sheep will rarely share lice (although there is one lice type that is the exception). I would avoid any type of dog treatment and you can save the Mayo for your sandwiches. 😬
Yeah. We have been seeing this a whole lot lately. It’s too bad. This is why we are in the position we are with resistance because people are not dosing correctly. Dectomax is designed to be injected. A lot of people are afraid to give injections and so there is a new push by a lot of people online to say it’s “OK” to give it orally. Don’t do it. The people saying to give it orally aren’t doing it because it works better. They are doing it because they either don’t know what they are doing or they are afraid to give a shot.
There is no “perfect medication” however a good general medication which works well is Dectomax. This is an injectable worming medication in the ivermectin family of drugs. It can be purchased over the counter from most large farm stores and is given at a dose of 1ml per 110lbs of body weight. It is given as a intramuscular injection.
Hi, I recently had a couple goats that I dewormed with the copper sulfate solution you recommend. Before I dewormed them, their famacha score was good around a 2 then they got a copper sulfate drench and the next day I had a few experiencing bottle jaw, and their famacha score is not as good as it was. Is this copper toxicity, is it them getting shed of the workload, just curious as to what might be happening
This is not copper toxicity. This means your goats had a heavy worm load. The white eyelids, bottle jaw, probably scours, etc are because of the blood loss occurring from them dumping a heavy worm load. This is why we are not fans of FAMACHA scoring because it encourages people to leave a “safe wormload” in their animals (whatever that means). This is also why we advise not starting your worming with copper sulfate and to worm with other more gentle wormers first. It will take your goats a while to get back to normal as they will have to make hemoglobin to get things back to where they need to be. In the future, try to worm them with dectomax, valbazen, or both before using copper sulfate. Now that you have used copper sulfate, you can continue to use it. I would let them get back to normal and consider worming them again in about a month. Again, it’s going to take a while for their color to come back. This is a good example of how misleading FAMACHA can be.
@@LinessaFarms thank you, I had been using famacha to guide how I dewormed animals, but I have continued to have issues with my goat herd and losing goats to parasites with nothing seeming to work until I watched your videos. I’ve been using the copper sulfate now had been using it on my does and my goats look the best they have in months. The goats that I had this experience with was some of my adult bucks and up and coming bucks, that just seemed to have missed deworming due to us going on a family vacation, and getting our pastures poultry business going, and taking some cull does off to be processed. I’m going to from here run every goat through the chute and deworm monthly with the copper sulfate. One of the goats this bottle jaw happened to was a young buck that has had good famacha improvement since the deworming. I’ve had bad luck this past year, and am hoping this will get me on the right track. I sure feel like it will. I was almost going to quit goats completely until I found this dewormed. I was going through bottles and bottles of conventional dewormer with no success. This copper sulfate solution is cheap and affordable. Easy to make, and if it’s true they can’t build up resistance seems like a complete win win. I appreciate your videos immensely.
@@samuelgriffith86 we have all (including us) been burned using the FAMACHA scale. It’s too darn hard to tell how much of a worm load they are carrying. Lots of people have been seeing high worm loads this year. We are glad you are getting a handle on it and we are grateful to have a part in helping. Thanks for taking the time to leave us a message and please let us know if you have any problems in the future.
Signs and symptoms of liver fluke in sheep and goats can include weight loss, decreased appetite, anemia, pale mucous membranes, abdominal distention, and diarrhea. In severe cases, you might observe jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin) and fluid accumulation in the abdomen.
Do you have a micro scope and do Fecal tests for worms and worm loads sir if so I would really like to learn about the right micro scope that can see sperm and worms and the load of that sometime you do i appreciate your time and thanks for sharing.
We do have a microscope we use for worm load identification. It is a pretty complicated process but we will try to put out a video for you on the process.
I bought a pocket microscope on Amazon for under 10 bucks, and was really surprised how powerful it actually is, complete with an LED light, tons of fun.
So mange mites is Dectamax then? I think you recommended Cylence and Dectamax. Dectamax because it gets into the blood? And Cylence would have to be contacted by the mites?
We are extremely fortunate that we have a few very good sale barns in our area. This takes a lot of stress out of the marketing game. Facebook groups are a great place to market breeding stock. We also allow marketing on our Facebook group, Linessa Farms Tack Box. If you have not searched for or used a sale barn before, try to find one in your area. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what you find. You can also search for ethnic slaughter houses in your area, specifically those that practice Halal. In some cases you can call them directly and inquire if they are in need of some lambs/goats. Many will purchase directly from the producer, especially during the religious holidays.
Hello, Terri! Thank you for the great question. Any time you have does or ewes feeding babies, there is an underlying concern about giving medication and wormers. Most medications and wormers will not have a negative effect on the babies. Ivermectin, safeguard, copper sulfate, valbazen, cydectin... these are all fine with moms with babies on them. Most of the underlying concern comes into play when we are looking at pregnant does and ewes. For example, you would never want to give valbazen to pregnant does or ewes. There is a well know interaction with this medication and birth defects/abortion. Many individuals make the mistake of not treating parasites in pregnant or nursing does and ewes. This is a huge mistake and can be detrimental to the momma and baby. The stress of nursing in most mommas is already high. Coupling this with a parasite load can potentially lead to decreased milk production, anemia, and even death. Hopefully this helped to answer your question. Thanks again for watching and for the comments! Tim
@@LinessaFarms I wormed both my does who were pregnant with Cydectin* earlier this year. I lost My doe Vixen to what I’m assuming ketosis toxicity. I tried everything possible once I did a bit of research online bought the strips and it immediately turned dark maroon a day later went down and refused t stand. I completely blame myself because if I had caught it early maybe she wouldn’t have died with her triplets. Then her dam delivered quads 12 days early and I lost them as well but TBH I just wanted her to be ok which she was ( no ketosis)
Yes. We have found the best solution for lice is pour on Cylence and an injection of Dectomax. There are pour on ivermectin products which seem to work fairly well for lice. Injectable ivermectin would be my next choice.
Just had to treat my whole herd of sheep for mange mites and the damage they can do is serious if left untreated. Add to this the withdrawal period of cidectin, being 104 days, you have to be on your game to eradicate this permanently from your flock.
Yes. This is something that can get out of hand very very quickly. Not to mention the goats like to sleep in “goat piles” during the colder months and this just adds to the problem. It seems that most people are able to identify mange better once they have experienced it once. It has been our experience that mange is best treated with internal and external medications. They are nasty little boogers and due to their burrowing and propensity to get in hard to treat areas, things like diatomaceous earth simply don’t do the trick. Thanks for taking the time to leave a message and thank you for watching.
Finally clicked the right video but I probably found this too late. . . Dewormed my goats weeks ago and one of my goats started getting weaker and weaker . Now she's down and can't get up.. her legs are very stiff .. 3 days in looking at her closely she had a lot of lice.. the reason the thought hasn't gone through my mind was I've been checking my goats for lice before months ago ..nothing so I've been walking around my farm carefree. Currently going through all my goats right now..
We responded to your comments and we asked for more information. We looked for the vet you quoted and he doesn’t exist. We did not claim animals are dying from bleed out. If you have any specific problems with anything we specifically said or if you would like to provide a link to the information you copied and pasted that is fine. You have a very strong emotional attachment to not getting praise for copying and posting a piece of information you can’t back up. Again, if you would like to have a conversation about this, feel free to contact us at customerservice@linessafarms.com Although, we would prefer you respond publicly since you took the time to give us a hard time publicly. It would be best to converse on the same platform.
@@LinessaFarms I will look for the link. If outdated it may be archived. I simply don't like bad advice about goats. I have seen a few things that you are advising not a good idea or practice. Sorry I will find it and the info Yes he is a real Dr lol. Why would I post false information? He is committee representative for sheep and goat producers organizations. Perhaps search Dr. David L. Fernandez Ph.D. USDA and you will find him.
Hello and thank you for watching our videos and for the comment. The checking of the eyelids in the video was a generalization and we did not intend to provide any type of tutorial on FAMACHA scoring. As you may have noticed, at no point during the video did we discuss FAMACHA scoring, as we do not support the process. The purpose of this video is to empower individuals to think outside the box when it comes to anemia. As you may know, too many individuals associate anemia with worms and this can have an overall negative impact on the animal as well as the producer. When dealing with anemia, we would like to see more producers determine the underlying cause instead of making the assumption they are dealing with a "worm load". FAMACHA scoring is an outdated, misleading, and dangerous process which is poorly explained and misunderstood by many producers (experienced and inexperienced alike). FAMACHA was developed for use in South Africa and designed for the sole purpose of identifying and treating sheep for a very specific type of worm (H. contortus) on pasture. The underlying idea was to only treat very anemic livestock and develop a flock which was more "resistant" to worm loads. FAMACHA scoring works well for a specific parasite and for individuals who choose to cull livestock and develop "natural resistance" in their flock. For anyone outside this limited scope, FAMACHA is not a responsible option. Most individuals who watch our channel are very small scale producers and are not willing to cull animals based on worm resistance. For most individuals, unless their sheep or goats have deep-red eyelids, they should be treated for the underlying cause of anemia. Allowing animals to remain untreated or carry any parasite load is dangerous for multiple reasons. Animals carrying a parasite load are actively "dumping" parasites which places uninfected animals at risk. Allowing an anemic animal to go untreated is dangerous because the anemia may not be worm related at all. Allowing anemic animals to go untreated sets them up for other disease processes due to a weakened immune system. The list goes on and on.... The problem of wormer resistance is not lost on my behalf and I do appreciate the issue. Too many individuals worm indiscriminately and this is a huge problem. We do our best to educate individuals about the benefits of rotational grazing, organic worming options, etc... copper sulfate worming is a great and successful option and we offer tutorials on its production and administration. Hopefully this helps answer your question and lets you know where we are coming from. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks, Tim
I appreciate the response.. I fall under the small scale farmer.. I’ve been trying to educate myself on sheep health, since this is my first go around. Like many things in life, the more people you communicate with, the wider variety of answers you obtain. It makes it very confusing for new comers.. FAMACHA was recommended by my local county animal husbandry department. I agree, you want to treat the underlying cause. I’ve come to the conclusion that an education in microbiology and a microscope are probably a farmers best tools. This way you can “on the spot” identify your issue/issues and treat accordingly.. I’m also in a region that has no on farm vet support, so being educated and making careful observation and protocols is even more difficult, since you are in total control of your livestock’s well being..
Finally I found someone that did an informative video on sheep that actually seems to know what they’re talking about. Subscribed.
We are hearing this a lot lately. We are in the business of educating. The goal of every video we make is to teach you something new or provide something for you to use. There are a lot of really fun channels out there that are about entertainment. This is definitely not us. Tim wishes he was funnier if that counts. 😂
@@LinessaFarms not everything needs to be funny, this content is so full of information that it is not boring or hard to stay attentive. I feel like back on college, got my pen and paper out and everything. Thank you for sharing your experience!
Every video is absolutely needed. Thank you again....you are so right about the mind set when checking eyelids' of thinking just about worms. So much more to know. We who are just starting out can not thank you enough for what you do.
Thanks, Sharon. 😬
I’ve been pouring through your video lately and I’m blown away at the wealth of information you have made available. This channel is gold. Thank you.
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I have learned so much from you!! And that last little tidbit at the end about spots on the nose and around the mouth were extremely helpful!!! Thank you!!!
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I am so happy to have come across your channel! I have a goat with lice and sprayed her and her herd sisters with Permectin, but I was considering buying CyLence so am grateful for your confirmation. I’ve shared your channel with a friend who raises many goats and sheep.
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I'm an only child and a city kid trying to learn with my 6 kids to best care for our 2 goats. This video is extremely helpful! I hope you will consider making your information accessible to more people by not charging for information. I want to subscribe, but I cannot justify paying for information I can find. I get that experience is valuable and I appreciate your time spent making these videos, but we as a species will be better if we freely share information with others. The people who can't afford to pay for a subscription to your channel are the ones who need this info the most! Thank you for helping us all succeed by being a valuable resource and sharing your knowledge and experience with the world! 💗
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@@LinessaFarms when I went to click to subscribe, it said there is a $4.99 monthly fee to subscribe to your channel. I hope youtube hasn't changed some settings on you! 😥 Thank you again for sharing this superb info with us!
Great video. Your goats look amazing.
You didn't mention whip worm and lung worm. I had run into whip worm twice in a particular doe. Even though ivermectin is said to work for whip worm I had better results with fenbendazole. Lungworm could be taken care using ivermectin.
Thanks again.
Just subscribed. I’m doing LOTS of research beforehand. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge.
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Awesome video, love hearing someone talk about what works for what so comprehensively.
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Thank you for the downloads. Lots of great information, much appreciated.
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I subbed. Awesome information. I went to your website and downloaded everything and put in a file for future use as needed. Thank you for taking the time to help. Priceless!
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This is a wonderful video, your channel is fantastic. I’m so glad I found you! Thanks
That’s great! Thank you very much!
Finally got me some sheep a couple weeks ago and am learning next week or so going to the vet to have a once over.
Very cool!
Love your videos! Super informative! And I absolutely agree about DE I've tried using it for several different reasons and never seen much change.
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Have you ever used diatomaceous earth either topically or internally? If so, what was your experience? Just to clarify for those who may not be familiar with the term, diatomaceous earth is not dirt, it is the finely powdered skeletal structure of an aquatic organism. I have found it to be an excellent repellent for keeping insects out of barns and storage areas.
We do not use this. I am familiar with how it works and why it works, we just choose not to use it.
For its use regarding parasites either topically or internally, we do not advise it’s use.
@@LinessaFarms why?
I use DE myself, and in certain circumstances it works very well, like when sprinkled across the doorway where ants are parading into your house the parade gradually dwindles until the last ant is dead three weeks later. I have also found it very effective for chickens, both for lice and mites, but again it takes time for it to work and you absolutely want to be dusting outside on a breezy day to prevent inhalation. For any critter with a thick coat though, like a lot of dogs or sheep, I can't see it working well - if at all - because it would just be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to get the product worked right down to the skin where the parasites are. Not to mention it would be an incredibly messy endeavor!
As for internal use, I argue with my friend about this all the time... She swears it keeps the worms down in her dog, but DE is actually a silica supplement for livestock and is absolutely useless as an insecticide once wet. It also only works on critters with an exoskeleton, which worms do not have.
Thank you so much. Very eye -opening & lots of key points for further reading.
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Thank you for posting such great informative content. Straight forward. Excellent channel!
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Thank you so much for this much needed video as I am just about to worm and provide the CD&T booster to my goats in the next hour and a bit nervous making sure I’m not making an error.
Thank you for watching our videos! We hope everything goes well with your vaccinations!
Very professional, I’m learning a lot
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Thanks for this wonderful video. I have lost quite a number sheep due to liver fluke infestation. I would to Hava a video on how to treat them
If they aren’t pregnant, I would advise valbazen. You can also use cydectin which works well for liver flukes.
Great video! Its crazy to realize that Microscopic Lice are able to kill something thousands x bigger than themselves. I woulda never guessed if not for this video. Thats scary
Hello, Shawn. Yeah. We’ve seen goats completely infested with lice. It’s definitely bad news. We like to use Cylence on all our goats in the spring time at the first sign of lice. It’s pretty normal here in Indiana. We just expect lice every year… they tend to come in on the bedding.
Thank you so so so much! This is the video I was looking for!!!
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Thank you so much, awesome educational content!
Do you teach any classes? It's been over 20 years since I learned all this things. Just had two goats dropped off as a gift😩 pulled out my animal science books and talk about head ache.
Hello. I do a 1 hour live stream at least once every 2 weeks. You can follow us online on Facebook and you will be able to see our schedule. You can also join our online Facebook group by searching for Linessa Farms Tack Box. 👍🏻
Thanks for the quick response. Great info. I have another question for you. If I am giving antibiotics to a large 200lb boer goat would you advise splitting the dose into two separate shots in different areas or giving the full amount (10cc) in one location ?
Also free choice minerals are good so that the animals can choose what they need and remineralise your pastures.
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How do you use Cylence when you have a Livestock Guardian Dog?
So informative 👍👍
My uncle told me about a lung/ gut dewormer that started with the letter N. He was specific on it and like a fool I didn’t save more information on it. I’ve spend the past 2 hours looking everywhere for help. This was useful but anybody have any wisdom ?
My situation may help I have 2 small sheep that have seem to stunted in growth. Big bellies on them but no growth in size. They are about a year old. Don’t just wanna give them anything since he made it clear things like ivermectin was not what I was looking for.
Where do you live? They could possibly have issues with coccidia as well.
One common dewormer for goats that starts with the letter "N" is "Nemex" or "Nemexin." This dewormer contains the active ingredient pyrantel pamoate and is effective against roundworms in goats. It is important to always follow the manufacturer's instructions and consult with a veterinarian before administering any medication to your goats.
@@LinessaFarms an hour south of Austin near Lockhart.
and im searching up Nemex right now and its not it; when I found it the first time it was only from searching it up by name exactly other than that i havent found any trace of it on the internet even in reddit post, or science articles talking about types of dewormers.
My uncle is a man who works with animals in Mexico so maybe its not a well used medicine in the states. I know it exist for sure because we found plenty of websites selling it whenever we did have access to the name. If only I had taken a screenshot.
The more I look into it I may be remembering wrong, because so far levamisole hydrochloride seems to be the closest thing to what I need. but i cant find much anecdotes of people using it. more talk of it if its actually useful one would assume.
Cyfluthrin be used on hair sheep as well?
1% cyfluthrin such as that found that in Cylence can be an effective treatment for lice, mange, or mites in sheep as well. We have used it in the past with no noted side effects.
What about D E. Lightly sprinkled in some grain? I heard some don’t use it but they don’t say why. Is there something wrong with using D E !
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@@LinessaFarms thanks. We just lost a goat we have had for two years. We are new goat owners and was doing all the “ remedies”. Apple cider vinegar. Baking soda. Gas x. In the end we don’t really know what killed her. Have her vitamin b shot. We don’t know if she had bloat/ pneumonia/ lice/ or god knows what parasite. We didn’t own a thermometer yet so don’t know if she had a temperature. Our other goat seems just fine. We haven’t changed Thier diet at all. Small amount of grain every morning with Bermuda hay in Thier feeder. We are working on our goat emergency bag now so that we have more of these things on hand.
@@GunninWizard that’s great. It is a learning process. I am sorry you lost your goat. I hope you are able to get the information you need. We have a lot of videos and resources available to help you out and I am always available to answer questions. We have a forum/group on Facebook you can check out by searching for Linessa Farms Tack Box. If you have time to check out our video on the trifecta method, please do. I will attach a link in the next comment. Best of luck to you and thanks for watching our videos and for taking the time to leave us a comment.
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@@LinessaFarms thanks ya were are power watching through all your vids now
What could be ideal feeding for sheep during winter in kashmir where temperature remains minus these days
If you are having cold temperatures, high starch foods and foods with a lot of easily available calories can help the animals to stay warmer. Here in the US we use corn as it is high in starch and has lots of available energy.
I thought pink in the eyes meant worms not white. In goats that is.
Hello, Doug. The red color in the eyelids is due to the blood cells in the capillary bed/thin tissue in the eyes. There are only a few places in the body where this is visible. Even in humans, if you pull down the eyelid, you will see a nice red color (assuming they aren’t anemic). There are some tests used in the sheep and goat industry to check the eyelids. This is often referred to as the FAMACHA scale. You can read more about this with a google search. In the end, the redder the eyelid, the higher the hemoglobin count more than likely. We get concerned as the eyelids get lighter. Light pink is a sign of a parasite burden, white eyelids are a sign of serious lack of hemoglobin/blood cells. Hopefully this helps.
We've had a few bouts with Coccidia with our goats. I don't see any information about Corrid on that download. Wondering what dosage you give and if you give b-complex afterwards?
Hello, Edwin. We have more specific videos about coccidia which you can see here.
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We focus a lot on prevention here at Linessa Farms. If we need corrid, we would use the liquid as directed which I believe is at a ratio of 3oz corrid to 16oz water. We would utilize vitamin B complex after a few days. We more often than not give vitamin B as a supplement treatment for any sick animal. We have had very good success with keeping coccidia away through use of medicated feed. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching our videos.
You don't do a general spray for acarisides?
Lice, mange, flies, etc are not a systemic problem at our location, however, we would utilize a spray if we lived in an area where this is an issue.
@@LinessaFarms thanks, I was trained that this was a preventive measure against all external parasites and their consequent diseases.. regularly spraying them every week or every 2 weeks or etc
I typically stick to "natural" remedies, but we have some lice in the barn and I'm looking into Cylence. The goats are chewing on themselves a bit due to the biting lice. Is it okay if I apply cylence and they chew that spot? I read it's 80-90% bioavailable orally. I know it's safe topically, but I was curious if the smell would deter them from getting it in their mouth. Thanks as always!
Hello there! It’s in an alcohol suspension so it has a pretty nasty smell. We have put it on a rag and wiped it on legs before without any problems. I would still apply it along the back to protect them totally.
On a secondary note, we have seen some farms deal with simultaneous occurrences of mange mite AND lice. Sometimes it can be difficult to determine what you’re dealing with. Generally, if we see missing hair on legs or face, we lean more towards mange but this is not an exact science. The reason I bring this up is because mange is a booger to kill and we have found it is best handled with an injection of Dectomax AND topical use of Cylence. Dectomax is given as an IM injection at a rate of 1ml per 110 pounds of body weight per manufacturer directions. As always, we appreciate you watching our content. 😬🎅🏻
@@LinessaFarms That's what I hoped to hear. I haven't found any scabbing, and their coats look perfect. The only indication of a problem was a bit of chewing on themselves and enjoying being scratched too much. I have confirmed the lice on inspection and combing, and they look to be biting rather than sucking. Hoping this will nip the problem in the bud for a good spring and kidding. I will keep the dectomax in mind in case the problem isn't resolved. Thanks again!
Don't have sheep yet. Could someone wash sheep with dawn soap. It works on pets. Also harmless. Tap worm and liver fluke would be the issue.
We wash our sheep a few times a year as we get ready to show them. Usually, the initial wash will consist of water only to help get debris and grime out of the fleece. After this, a lot of people will use fancy soaps used for sheep and goats. We personally just use soft soap brand soap from Walmart. 😬
Sheep have a natural water protective substance called lanolin which helps to make their fleece water proof. Some breeds have far more lanolin than others which makes washing sheep a different job for everyone depending on the breed. Once you get your sheep, you’ll have to see what kind of coat they have and see what works best for you.
Their is a really good book called natural goat care by pat colby. She suggests for mites its a sulfur defincency ans she is a avacate of copper sulfate and dolimite combo for internal and external controls. When you mix the 2 you dont have copper toxicity and she also has the measurements in the book.
We are aware of her writings. Some people swear by her, other people think she’s a complete quack. If you are happy with the results, do what works for you. 👍🏻
Do you have a video on parasite identification? Or could do one? I'm doing my own fecals now. I don't trust what I'm seeing and yet there's critters there. The Baermann method left a good bit to see also. I suspect lungworms due to a cough and such. BUT, what if they're another variety with this being so new.. I've searched for videos but so far have come up with much lacking..
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Hello Teri. I have dreaded this day for a long time. I assumed eventually someone was going to call me out for not having a fecal egg count video. There are few people who perform their own fecal egg counts but I suppose for those of us who do, it is an important task to learn. I will put together a video for you, however please be advised there are a few videos ahead of you. At Linessa Farms we perform the modified McMaster method. I will have to figure out how to take images with my microscope and put together some imaging of typical parasites as well. I will expect a Christmas card in the mail.
@@LinessaFarms I don't mean to call you out lol. I got stuck on identification. I do think it's lungworm but heck, I'm new to this and a few worms look very similar.
There are eggs that look similar too. I have searched everywhere for some videos under the microscope that compare these that look so much alike.
It may be too difficult to put together and if so I certainly understand why given the time it takes me just to get all things prepared much less imaging!
Thank you!
How did old timers/homesteaders dealt with parasites ?
A lot of producers used copper sulfate and tobacco. When I was growing up raising sheep, I worked for an older sheep farmer. I have talked to some sheep farmers in their 80’s now that are generational farmers and they all seem to tell me the same thing. Even the U of Kentucky mentions copper sulfate being used back in the 1920s and 30s.
So why the tobacco? Tape worms respond well to nicotinic which can be made from boiling down tobacco in water to a syrup and added to feed or drenched at a specific concentration.
Super dangerous, because if you get it wrong, you kill them. 🫤 Worse news? If you splash concentrated nicotine on yourself, it can kill you too. Nicotine affects the nervous system by binding to nicotinic acetylcholine receptors, which are involved in transmitting nerve signals. In small doses, nicotine can lead to effects like increased heart rate, blood pressure, and alertness. However, in high concentrations, nicotine can overwhelm the nervous system and lead to symptoms like vomiting, diarrhea, tremors, seizures, paralysis, and ultimately respiratory failure.
Old time farmers were doing almost all grazing on large parcels of land which is another factor to consider.
The other factor to consider is genetics. There are some farms that state they have good genetics, which we don’t doubt. I watched an interview with a large sheep producer that said he didn’t worm a whole semi load of sheep and they all died but 5. That’s one way to do it, arguably, just depends on how much of a loss you are willing to take.
So, I think a lot of factors. I am of the belief a farm can develop worm resistant sheep, it just depends on what cost you are willing to accept.
@@LinessaFarms we have only few kathadin and dorper sheep and Im watching about rotational grazing and not worming . I think its probably too good to be true and for sure alive sheep is better then dead sheep :) thank you for your videos
My sheeps keep scratching their body against the fence, what is that could be? Mange mites fleas, or lice? I really can't figure it out...any suggestions can be helpful please
Hello! Thanks for watching our videos and thanks for taking the time to send us a question. Scratching can be a sign of many issues or sometimes just nothing at all. Some sheep just like to scratch. Fleas and lice tend not to be an issue on most wool breeds but can become an issue on hair sheep. Fungus can be an issue and some diseases like scrapie are also associated with scratching. I would really need to see a picture of the sheep to help you out more. If you would like me to look at the sheep go ahead and post a few pictures of them on our forum. You can find it by searching for Linessa Farm’s Tack Box on Facebook. Thanks!
@@LinessaFarms can you make a video about scrapies please, what part of the body you want me to take photos?
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@@souzou1000 you can just take a few full body side shots. If they are losing wool in any areas you can take a few pictures of that as well.
Where do I get bovatec at? I can't find it at feed stores
I didn't think DE would be useful on goats for live but didn't want to put powerful insecticidal powder on my baby goats so I sprinkled DE on them and they stopped itching. My Boer buck has terrible hair loss/scratching issues and have used the injectable wormers which seems to help but not for too long. Do you use the injectable wormer Sub-Q, or orally? Thanks for the great information you put out on videos. It is hard to find information on goat care when you don't know anyone who raises goats locally.
Hello Cee. As always, thanks for watching the videos and for the comments. Regarding your buck.... I would consider giving him an IM injection of dectomax at a rate of 1ml per ~100pounds and also administer the cylence along his back with a 10ml syringe. Make sure you get it on his skin. Follow up with him in another week with another 10ml application of cylence. Make sure he has access to free choice goat mineral without phosphorus as well. If you don’t have access to this, consider purchasing copper bolus on amazon www.amazon.com/UltraCruz-Copper-Bolus-adults-count/dp/B01LW7QLOE/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=copper+bolus+gun+for+goats&qid=1618521757&sprefix=copper+bolu&sr=8-3
I would also consider giving him a vitamin B injection every 7 days for a few weeks.
(Basically I would treat him for vitamin and mineral deficiency and mange).
I told you I didn’t want to talk about DE but since you brought it up, be careful applying it to animals and around yourself. Dust from DE is highly irritable/potentially damaging to the mucous membranes, eyes, and lungs. 😬
@@LinessaFarms Thanks for your input.
Does this apply equally to both sheep and goats?
Hello, Caleb. Differences between sheep and goats can mean different parasite burdens. Goats tend to have higher incidents of lice and mange than wool sheep but sheep are at risk for issues such as fly strike and other foot problems most goats are not. In the end, just consider all possible problems and don’t just blindly assume GI worms. 👍🏻
Wondering if its best to give Pennicillan IM or SQ? I have read, and heard that if I hit a vein doing it IM, it could cause instant death. What is your recommendation? Thank you!
We give all of our antibiotics subq unless there is a really really sick animal that needs a heavy dose fast. In this case I may give normal dose subq and also a smaller dose IM to get it into their system faster.
The likelihood of hitting a vein or artery is very very low. If you did, there are only a handful of medications that would cause death, most antibiotics would not. As you probably know, most of our patients in the hospital that are very sick with an infection or sepsis will receive antibiotics IV. To be devils advocate, these medications are specifically designed to be given IV, but there isn’t much in most antibiotics you would use that would cause death. You are not the first person to come to us with this question and we will probably address this in a video soon.
With all this being said, we want you to give medications the correct way. If you give an IM injection and you want to be on the safe side, you can inject and then pull back on the plunger. We call this “aspirating”. If you were in a vein or artery, you would get a flash of blood back in the plunger. 👍🏻
This is typical best practice for giving IM shots on animals and humans. Hope this helps!
Just to be clear, insert the needle, pull back on the plunger, look for blood. No blood, go ahead and inject. If you are in a vein or artery, it will not be subtle. You will know.
I see dectomax in the catalog for cattle and swine can this be used in sheep?
Same stuff. It’s extra-label use for sheep and goats. 👍🏻
1ml per 110 pounds of body weight given IM is what we use.
Thank you for answering so quickly I just lost a lamb today sadly and I’m certain it is fit this very topic headed out to the barn immediately to at least topically for the moment. Where is the best place to educate myself on a better managed program. How often, for each of these products. How would you schedule your parasite management
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Check that video out and let me know if you have any questions. We also have a Facebook group called Linessa Farm’s Tack Box.
Are there any other products available for external parasites on sheep? I recently bought some not-so-healthy Romanovs. The girl I bought them from said she just wormed them, but the really thin one is still not putting on weight. I checked her eyelids yesterday: pale. I gave her ivermectin this morning, then inspected her skin: lots of what initially just appeared to be dirt/dead skin bits, but looking closer these bits looked almost identical to poultry lice, only just a fraction of the size!
I haven't seen cydectin on the shelves at my feed store, but I do know they have a pyrethrin product, but if I recall, it's meant as a spray for barn surfaces. I do have canine advantix handy, which is a single-ingredient product; would that work/be safe to use? I know I can smother them (the lice) with a mayonnaise bath (how I used to treat my cats and small pets when I had them), but the sheep haven't finished shedding yet and that would take A LOT of mayonnaise!
Cylence can be purchased online at various suppliers such as Valley Vet supplies. Just do a google search for Cylence. There are other permethrin products available such as Ultra Boss as well. Full wool sheep will rarely get lice or keds as the lanolin they produce works as a natural barrier. This is not saying it doesn’t happen though. Ideally, shear the sheep and see what you are dealing with. If you see active lice, treat them. Most lice are very species specific so you don’t have to worry about cross contamination, especially with poultry. Even goats and sheep will rarely share lice (although there is one lice type that is the exception). I would avoid any type of dog treatment and you can save the Mayo for your sandwiches. 😬
Do you inject the Dectomax or give it orally? I know its an injectable but a lot of ppl say to give it orally.
Yeah. We have been seeing this a whole lot lately. It’s too bad. This is why we are in the position we are with resistance because people are not dosing correctly. Dectomax is designed to be injected. A lot of people are afraid to give injections and so there is a new push by a lot of people online to say it’s “OK” to give it orally. Don’t do it. The people saying to give it orally aren’t doing it because it works better. They are doing it because they either don’t know what they are doing or they are afraid to give a shot.
Thanks for all your help!
What's the best wormer for barber pole worms
There is no “perfect medication” however a good general medication which works well is Dectomax. This is an injectable worming medication in the ivermectin family of drugs. It can be purchased over the counter from most large farm stores and is given at a dose of 1ml per 110lbs of body weight. It is given as a intramuscular injection.
Cylence is fine for sheep is it not?
It is extra label but many people use it. We have used it many times for sheep and goats to control lice, mange, etc with no problems.
Does the area we live in determine the types of parasites? Is raw pumpkin a good natural source for deworming?
Hi, I recently had a couple goats that I dewormed with the copper sulfate solution you recommend. Before I dewormed them, their famacha score was good around a 2 then they got a copper sulfate drench and the next day I had a few experiencing bottle jaw, and their famacha score is not as good as it was. Is this copper toxicity, is it them getting shed of the workload, just curious as to what might be happening
I meant worm load
This is not copper toxicity. This means your goats had a heavy worm load. The white eyelids, bottle jaw, probably scours, etc are because of the blood loss occurring from them dumping a heavy worm load. This is why we are not fans of FAMACHA scoring because it encourages people to leave a “safe wormload” in their animals (whatever that means). This is also why we advise not starting your worming with copper sulfate and to worm with other more gentle wormers first. It will take your goats a while to get back to normal as they will have to make hemoglobin to get things back to where they need to be. In the future, try to worm them with dectomax, valbazen, or both before using copper sulfate. Now that you have used copper sulfate, you can continue to use it. I would let them get back to normal and consider worming them again in about a month. Again, it’s going to take a while for their color to come back. This is a good example of how misleading FAMACHA can be.
@@LinessaFarms thank you, I had been using famacha to guide how I dewormed animals, but I have continued to have issues with my goat herd and losing goats to parasites with nothing seeming to work until I watched your videos. I’ve been using the copper sulfate now had been using it on my does and my goats look the best they have in months. The goats that I had this experience with was some of my adult bucks and up and coming bucks, that just seemed to have missed deworming due to us going on a family vacation, and getting our pastures poultry business going, and taking some cull does off to be processed. I’m going to from here run every goat through the chute and deworm monthly with the copper sulfate. One of the goats this bottle jaw happened to was a young buck that has had good famacha improvement since the deworming.
I’ve had bad luck this past year, and am hoping this will get me on the right track. I sure feel like it will. I was almost going to quit goats completely until I found this dewormed. I was going through bottles and bottles of conventional dewormer with no success. This copper sulfate solution is cheap and affordable. Easy to make, and if it’s true they can’t build up resistance seems like a complete win win. I appreciate your videos immensely.
@@samuelgriffith86 we have all (including us) been burned using the FAMACHA scale. It’s too darn hard to tell how much of a worm load they are carrying. Lots of people have been seeing high worm loads this year. We are glad you are getting a handle on it and we are grateful to have a part in helping. Thanks for taking the time to leave us a message and please let us know if you have any problems in the future.
How do you diagnose liver fluke?
Signs and symptoms of liver fluke in sheep and goats can include weight loss, decreased appetite, anemia, pale mucous membranes, abdominal distention, and diarrhea. In severe cases, you might observe jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin) and fluid accumulation in the abdomen.
@@LinessaFarms thank you
Do you have a micro scope and do Fecal tests for worms and worm loads sir if so I would really like to learn about the right micro scope that can see sperm and worms and the load of that sometime you do i appreciate your time and thanks for sharing.
We do have a microscope we use for worm load identification. It is a pretty complicated process but we will try to put out a video for you on the process.
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I bought a pocket microscope on Amazon for under 10 bucks, and was really surprised how powerful it actually is, complete with an LED light, tons of fun.
So mange mites is Dectamax then? I think you recommended Cylence and Dectamax. Dectamax because it gets into the blood? And Cylence would have to be contacted by the mites?
That is what we have found to be effective for mange mites. Yes.
@@LinessaFarms Thanks. And I see it's fine for pregnant Does and are they both are fine for lactating Does and we can use the milk?
How do you market your sheep?
We are extremely fortunate that we have a few very good sale barns in our area. This takes a lot of stress out of the marketing game. Facebook groups are a great place to market breeding stock. We also allow marketing on our Facebook group, Linessa Farms Tack Box. If you have not searched for or used a sale barn before, try to find one in your area. I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what you find. You can also search for ethnic slaughter houses in your area, specifically those that practice Halal. In some cases you can call them directly and inquire if they are in need of some lambs/goats. Many will purchase directly from the producer, especially during the religious holidays.
Where in Indiana?
Rensselaer, Northwest Indiana.
How about does feeding kids?
Hello, Terri! Thank you for the great question. Any time you have does or ewes feeding babies, there is an underlying concern about giving medication and wormers. Most medications and wormers will not have a negative effect on the babies. Ivermectin, safeguard, copper sulfate, valbazen, cydectin... these are all fine with moms with babies on them. Most of the underlying concern comes into play when we are looking at pregnant does and ewes. For example, you would never want to give valbazen to pregnant does or ewes. There is a well know interaction with this medication and birth defects/abortion. Many individuals make the mistake of not treating parasites in pregnant or nursing does and ewes. This is a huge mistake and can be detrimental to the momma and baby. The stress of nursing in most mommas is already high. Coupling this with a parasite load can potentially lead to decreased milk production, anemia, and even death. Hopefully this helped to answer your question. Thanks again for watching and for the comments!
Tim
@@LinessaFarms so I have no idea how I could have missed it but they have tape worms 😉
@@LinessaFarms we have been over taken by squirrels who live in the born also
@@LinessaFarms I wormed both my does who were pregnant with Cydectin* earlier this year. I lost My doe Vixen to what I’m assuming ketosis toxicity. I tried everything possible once I did a bit of research online bought the strips and it immediately turned dark maroon a day later went down and refused t stand. I completely blame myself because if I had caught it early maybe she wouldn’t have died with her triplets. Then her dam delivered quads 12 days early and I lost them as well but TBH I just wanted her to be ok which she was ( no ketosis)
You don't spray ur animals?
We responded to your other question. Thanks!
Does ivermectin work for lice?
Yes. We have found the best solution for lice is pour on Cylence and an injection of Dectomax. There are pour on ivermectin products which seem to work fairly well for lice. Injectable ivermectin would be my next choice.
@@LinessaFarms thanks again
A sock with powdered seven dust and rub into the fur for lice.
Just had to treat my whole herd of sheep for mange mites and the damage they can do is serious if left untreated. Add to this the withdrawal period of cidectin, being 104 days, you have to be on your game to eradicate this permanently from your flock.
Yes. This is something that can get out of hand very very quickly. Not to mention the goats like to sleep in “goat piles” during the colder months and this just adds to the problem. It seems that most people are able to identify mange better once they have experienced it once. It has been our experience that mange is best treated with internal and external medications. They are nasty little boogers and due to their burrowing and propensity to get in hard to treat areas, things like diatomaceous earth simply don’t do the trick. Thanks for taking the time to leave a message and thank you for watching.
My teacher
Thank you! We appreciate you watching and the kind comment.
For a beginner I think it's a little more complex than what we need
Better too much information than not enough, don’t you think?
Finally clicked the right video but I probably found this too late. . . Dewormed my goats weeks ago and one of my goats started getting weaker and weaker . Now she's down and can't get up.. her legs are very stiff .. 3 days in looking at her closely she had a lot of lice.. the reason the thought hasn't gone through my mind was I've been checking my goats for lice before months ago ..nothing so I've been walking around my farm carefree. Currently going through all my goats right now..
Ticks too
Coconut helps with tape worms. I add herbs and minerals to their feed to help keep worms, other bugs and other illnesses down.
Thanks for watching the videos and taking the time to leave a response!
I try to learn as much as possible and like you share the knowledge. Teamwork makes the dream work
@@caino-farm this is true. Everyone has something to offer.
chewing tobacco AS SHEEP DEWORMER
i see you didint like my info. Have a good day. Best to get more education
We responded to your comments and we asked for more information. We looked for the vet you quoted and he doesn’t exist. We did not claim animals are dying from bleed out. If you have any specific problems with anything we specifically said or if you would like to provide a link to the information you copied and pasted that is fine. You have a very strong emotional attachment to not getting praise for copying and posting a piece of information you can’t back up. Again, if you would like to have a conversation about this, feel free to contact us at customerservice@linessafarms.com
Although, we would prefer you respond publicly since you took the time to give us a hard time publicly. It would be best to converse on the same platform.
@@LinessaFarms I will look for the link. If outdated it may be archived. I simply don't like bad advice about goats. I have seen a few things that you are advising not a good idea or practice. Sorry I will find it and the info Yes he is a real Dr lol. Why would I post false information? He is committee representative for sheep and goat producers organizations. Perhaps search Dr. David L. Fernandez Ph.D. USDA and you will find him.
You incorrectly showed the FAMACHA scoring test. You should edit this video with the correct technique, not to confuse others..
Hello and thank you for watching our videos and for the comment. The checking of the eyelids in the video was a generalization and we did not intend to provide any type of tutorial on FAMACHA scoring. As you may have noticed, at no point during the video did we discuss FAMACHA scoring, as we do not support the process. The purpose of this video is to empower individuals to think outside the box when it comes to anemia. As you may know, too many individuals associate anemia with worms and this can have an overall negative impact on the animal as well as the producer. When dealing with anemia, we would like to see more producers determine the underlying cause instead of making the assumption they are dealing with a "worm load".
FAMACHA scoring is an outdated, misleading, and dangerous process which is poorly explained and misunderstood by many producers (experienced and inexperienced alike). FAMACHA was developed for use in South Africa and designed for the sole purpose of identifying and treating sheep for a very specific type of worm (H. contortus) on pasture. The underlying idea was to only treat very anemic livestock and develop a flock which was more "resistant" to worm loads. FAMACHA scoring works well for a specific parasite and for individuals who choose to cull livestock and develop "natural resistance" in their flock. For anyone outside this limited scope, FAMACHA is not a responsible option.
Most individuals who watch our channel are very small scale producers and are not willing to cull animals based on worm resistance. For most individuals, unless their sheep or goats have deep-red eyelids, they should be treated for the underlying cause of anemia. Allowing animals to remain untreated or carry any parasite load is dangerous for multiple reasons. Animals carrying a parasite load are actively "dumping" parasites which places uninfected animals at risk. Allowing an anemic animal to go untreated is dangerous because the anemia may not be worm related at all. Allowing anemic animals to go untreated sets them up for other disease processes due to a weakened immune system. The list goes on and on....
The problem of wormer resistance is not lost on my behalf and I do appreciate the issue. Too many individuals worm indiscriminately and this is a huge problem. We do our best to educate individuals about the benefits of rotational grazing, organic worming options, etc... copper sulfate worming is a great and successful option and we offer tutorials on its production and administration.
Hopefully this helps answer your question and lets you know where we are coming from. If you have any questions, let me know.
Thanks,
Tim
I appreciate the response.. I fall under the small scale farmer.. I’ve been trying to educate myself on sheep health, since this is my first go around. Like many things in life, the more people you communicate with, the wider variety of answers you obtain. It makes it very confusing for new comers.. FAMACHA was recommended by my local county animal husbandry department. I agree, you want to treat the underlying cause. I’ve come to the conclusion that an education in microbiology and a microscope are probably a farmers best tools. This way you can “on the spot” identify your issue/issues and treat accordingly.. I’m also in a region that has no on farm vet support, so being educated and making careful observation and protocols is even more difficult, since you are in total control of your livestock’s well being..
Wrong! Goats are full of worms. Worms and more worms.