The stories of Jeff Turner are legendary here in Texas. My great grandfather told me of Turner's hatred of the Comanche when I was a boy in the 1950s. Those tales stuck with me. I'm glad to see the folks here have retold Turner's revenge. Well done!👍
One of the things I love most about this channel is your ability to see things from both sides of the issue and treat all people as just that: people. Regardless of race, we're all capable of deeds either wonderful or terrible... and sometimes both at the same time.
Your narration is unique..and soothing, not distracting, which enables one to "see" the action....no doubt of continued growth of this channel..much deserving..thx again..
Like a chapter out of "Blood Meridian." Sad and brutal - it's hard to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys" in 1840's Texas, because those categories really don't fit here at all. The latest invaders drive out the brutal previous invaders with more brutality, mirroring the brutality of the Spanish who previously invaded the region. As I get older I am truly getting an education in real American history. Thanks for the contribution with this video. Poor Jeff Turner - I wonder if all those killings and all those scalps ever soothed his grief for what he once lost? I doubt it... revenge is a bitter road.
Michael... I thought something similar... Kinda goes hand in hand w history is told by those who won... Ex... How the world views Hitler... Who obviously is a pos... However, what if the Axis won... Would they say Churchill was the equivalent to Hitler in the history books... Something to reflect on...
Eventho I love this channel and have subscribed, you literally did this story before! Lol keep the content fresh that’s one of the best parts of this channel 😎👍🏾
@@historyattheokcorral one very similar: mountain man vs Comanche true horror in texas. About 85% of the same content🤷🏽♂️Ijs I love the channel keep up the good work💪🏾💯
You got a new subscriber. I've listened to several of these stories, and then I started to wonder about if there's any interesting stories about Norwegians, that I knew mostly settled in the Dakota territory. In the city I live in, here in Bergen, we actually have both a Montana and a Florida. Also the colors of our red, white and blue flag come from the ideals of both the French Revolution and the US' declaration of Independence, when we made our own constitution. There's just as many Norwegian-Americans, as Norwegians on this side of the Atlantic. But anyway, I came to think of the first story ever of Europeans in the Americas, and that might be a good story for you, it involves battle between the Norwegians, I think a group led by Leiv Erikson, the son of Erik the Red, that came upon the Canadian shores after being told of land by another man blown off course when trying to reach Greenland from Iceland I think. The Norse called the Indians "Skrælinger"/Skraelings, meaning screamers, I guess perhaps because of the ululating. They were just a few ship and not many men, but they did make a settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows, in New Foundland, calling the areas Markland, meaning Grassland, Vinland, meaning Wineland. The were in combat with the locals, that they nearly lost, only for the wife of one of the men to bare hear breasts and charge the Indians with a sword, an old Germanic phenomena described even by the Romans. Such women were sometimes called Shieldmaidens. The Norwegians decided after the battle or both that and other difficulties, to their sorrow that it was a good land, but that it was already settled by other people, and so they would be unlikely to ever live in peace there. So perhaps this is something you could be interested in studying and making tales about, with your obvious talent for storytelling. Sources: The Saga of Erik the Red and The Saga of the Greenlanders.
I live in Llano Tx. I joined the the Llano library years back and read many books on these topics. Fascinating 🧐. This is my new go to TH-cam channel. Love it.!
I'm enjoying these stories. Have to make one comment on the horse. New Archeological Archeological evidence has show the horse presence long before the Spanish arrival. Also the Spanish themselves noted many tribs had a well established horse culture when they came across them. History changes as new evidence is found.
Zomwald family, Zum Wald, german breed. Like your givin the Comanche the unique position in breeding, training and fight from the back of the war horse! In the south west I mean. Most of the plains tribes fought like mounted infantry, horse were just to costly...No Comanche, warrior, women or child took more than 20 steps if there were a horse around. 😮Big Foot Wallace is similar to Jim Bridger, not all the truth was the hole real situation while happened combat! Enjoyed as always, congrats guys. Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
Awww man! I have to know what happened to Turner. I doubt he could ever kill enough to fill the hole left in his soul and psyche, but I have to find out.
Again, well done H.O.K.C.. Again, another (as I see it), prime example of the 'immoveable meeting the unstoppable'. A fitting phrase I think, when discussing 'Colonizing' in general. But this week I'm left to wonder, why the other Indian Tribes didn't fully adopt the Comanche's way of using the horse?
They did. The Pawnee, Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho, and other Plains nations also adopted a life revolving around the horse. The Comanches were just better at it. What made them better? That's an excellent question. Maybe they just wanted it more, maybe generations of being trodden down by all their neighbours fostered in them the will to power.
My personal opinion about what made the Comanche better horsemen and warriors in general is due to their history of abuse at the hands of other tribes. While other tribes utilized the horse as transportation and bearing loads, the Comanches used them to change not only their lives but the entire dynamic of most of Central/West Texas and the Southern plains. They mastered riding and shooting bow or rifle with deadly accuracy from horseback and made it an integral part pf their warfare. They also learned to successfully breed the horses and that takes skill that was probably learned over a few generations. It was from the 1730’s-1750’s when they were being released, lost, abandoned or stolen in large numbers. By the Texas Revolution in 1836, the Comanches ruled the Southern plains.
@@billytrevathan6405, you sound like you're in the know. Did the Comanche use their understanding of the horse in later years, by breeding/training and (importantly) selling them?
My Family came to what is now the USA in the mid 1600's and migrated to what is now Texas in the early 1700's around 1730. Turners exploits are well known by us as well as many others
Well done on the storytelling. My one criticism is that you keep showing a picture of a man who has no similarities to Big Foot Wallace’s description. Your illustrator needs to get his/her act together
I feel like our heroes are our heroes and history has been written like it has, but the older i get the more i look at things from the natives point of view. Our ancestors practically enacted a genocide on the natives without the majority of people at the time looking at it in that way, the government actually made people believe that land was rightfully ours, and tricked people into fighting for it only to keep the most special areas for themselves and not honor any agreements they made with natives about only going so far. I love history, i love hearing the stories of America, i just wish history was different and there were still native lands in every state in america.
The truth is, the natives were enacting genocide on each other before the Spanish and other Europeans. The Europeans were just better at it. Make no mistake, the natives would have done the same if they could. Human nature is human nature.
You know who enacted genocide on native tribes? The Comanche! They killed everyone they encountered. They were not "good guys". They terrorized other native tribes for hundreds of years. When you say "our ancestors", who exactly are you referring to? Would that be the Spanish, The Mexicans, or American settlers/frontiersmen? They all fought with native tribes. The first white settlers in Texas were invited there and given free land from Mexico. Mexico thought these people would form a barrier between them and the Comanche (who kept raiding Mexico). At that time in history, the land rightfully belonged to whoever was strong enough to take it. That is how the Comanche gained their territory, by violently taking it from the natives who were there before they showed up. After a few hundred years someone else showed up and took it from them. My ancestors didn't enter North America until long after any of this took place and didn't enact genocide on anyone.
The dang Comanche was out of control, brutal tribe, I mean to out fight the Apache is saying something. Texas Rangers must have been hard-core! T.C.B. 🤟
PTSD has been around since the dawn of history. Turner was but one of it's unfortunate sufferers. I think that his own death would utimately serve him well; releasing him from his earthly ordeal.
“Hold on mom the new OK Corral just dropped” 🔥🔥🔥
Drop everything!
Thank you for watching!
The stories of Jeff Turner are legendary here in Texas. My great grandfather told me of Turner's hatred of the Comanche when I was a boy in the 1950s. Those tales stuck with me. I'm glad to see the folks here have retold Turner's revenge. Well done!👍
Your channel is one of just a few things capable of redeeming the otherwise, pernicious internet.
One of the things I love most about this channel is your ability to see things from both sides of the issue and treat all people as just that: people. Regardless of race, we're all capable of deeds either wonderful or terrible... and sometimes both at the same time.
Yeah, man. The dude who hunted a bunch of child killers and rapists is totally the same as the savages who murdered children and raped women to death.
Very well put and 100% agreed
Yes. It’s important to look at both sides and then determine which side was more in the right.
Absolutely right.
Quickly becoming my favorite TH-cam channel.
More stories about Jeff Turner please.
Even if he makes em up as he goes?
@@Fractal_blip yep......🤣
@@dannyd464 honestly, same here lol.
Another amazing story, I could listen to these tales of Texas every day. Keep them coming.
Living close to the old Guadalupe river bed at Canyon Dam, I can imagine how wild this country used to be and then having Comanche to be wary of
Your narration is unique..and soothing, not distracting, which enables one to "see" the action....no doubt of continued growth of this channel..much deserving..thx again..
Thank you again for another great story.
The episode on Turners demise is gonna be unreal...
Interested to hear it...
You do what no other channel does, I see the story you tell in my minds eye. Kinda like a book does. Keep em coming!
This story sounds insane I’m hype
It's wild af bro.
Been subscribed since day 1 glad to see your channel grow. Best western stories channel by far
Can’t wait gonna miss the premier tho
I love your channel and how you present the topics. Could listen all day.
O man!!!! That was amazing 🧨🧨🧨
Brilliant channel, subtle yet gripping narration. I really enjoy this channel.
The only reason I still log into TH-cam.
Like a chapter out of "Blood Meridian." Sad and brutal - it's hard to tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys" in 1840's Texas, because those categories really don't fit here at all. The latest invaders drive out the brutal previous invaders with more brutality, mirroring the brutality of the Spanish who previously invaded the region. As I get older I am truly getting an education in real American history. Thanks for the contribution with this video. Poor Jeff Turner - I wonder if all those killings and all those scalps ever soothed his grief for what he once lost? I doubt it... revenge is a bitter road.
Michael... I thought something similar...
Kinda goes hand in hand w history is told by those who won...
Ex... How the world views Hitler... Who obviously is a pos... However, what if the Axis won... Would they say Churchill was the equivalent to Hitler in the history books...
Something to reflect on...
No. Turner definitely loved it
Eventho I love this channel and have subscribed, you literally did this story before! Lol keep the content fresh that’s one of the best parts of this channel 😎👍🏾
No we've never done this story before.
@@historyattheokcorral one very similar: mountain man vs Comanche true horror in texas. About 85% of the same content🤷🏽♂️Ijs I love the channel keep up the good work💪🏾💯
This is part 2/3 of the full Jeff Turner saga. Dude just did this kind of stuff alot.
@@silkkdreadthey didn't have a lot going on except staring at campfires and getting dirty in the killing fields.
@@Fractal_blip exactly 🤣
You got a new subscriber. I've listened to several of these stories, and then I started to wonder about if there's any interesting stories about Norwegians, that I knew mostly settled in the Dakota territory. In the city I live in, here in Bergen, we actually have both a Montana and a Florida. Also the colors of our red, white and blue flag come from the ideals of both the French Revolution and the US' declaration of Independence, when we made our own constitution. There's just as many Norwegian-Americans, as Norwegians on this side of the Atlantic. But anyway, I came to think of the first story ever of Europeans in the Americas, and that might be a good story for you, it involves battle between the Norwegians, I think a group led by Leiv Erikson, the son of Erik the Red, that came upon the Canadian shores after being told of land by another man blown off course when trying to reach Greenland from Iceland I think. The Norse called the Indians "Skrælinger"/Skraelings, meaning screamers, I guess perhaps because of the ululating. They were just a few ship and not many men, but they did make a settlement at L'Anse aux Meadows, in New Foundland, calling the areas Markland, meaning Grassland, Vinland, meaning Wineland. The were in combat with the locals, that they nearly lost, only for the wife of one of the men to bare hear breasts and charge the Indians with a sword, an old Germanic phenomena described even by the Romans. Such women were sometimes called Shieldmaidens. The Norwegians decided after the battle or both that and other difficulties, to their sorrow that it was a good land, but that it was already settled by other people, and so they would be unlikely to ever live in peace there.
So perhaps this is something you could be interested in studying and making tales about, with your obvious talent for storytelling.
Sources: The Saga of Erik the Red and The Saga of the Greenlanders.
I live in Llano Tx. I joined the the Llano library years back and read many books on these topics. Fascinating 🧐. This is my new go to TH-cam channel. Love it.!
Incredible. I've been cutting back on TH-cam and everything recently and this is one of the few things that I definitely do not miss
This channel kicks ass🤠
Great story.
Gonna be a blood bath.....
Let me get my rubber ducky 🦆
Woohoo lets hit the trail.
Hi, love the episode. Where do you find art for your videos? In particular, a wood-cut looking print of a Ranger w/ huge Sombrero? I need that framed.
Excellent story. Not finished yet. But rather than a "withered psyche" your picture of Turner reminds me of a glamour shot from a film set.
Comanches: “you’re trying to kidnap what I rightfully stole!”
I'm enjoying these stories. Have to make one comment on the horse. New Archeological Archeological evidence has show the horse presence long before the Spanish arrival. Also the Spanish themselves noted many tribs had a well established horse culture when they came across them. History changes as new evidence is found.
Zomwald family, Zum Wald, german breed. Like your givin the Comanche the unique position in breeding, training and fight from the back of the war horse! In the south west I mean. Most of the plains tribes fought like mounted infantry, horse were just to costly...No Comanche, warrior, women or child took more than 20 steps if there were a horse around. 😮Big Foot Wallace is similar to Jim Bridger, not all the truth was the hole real situation while happened combat! Enjoyed as always, congrats guys. Best regards from Northern Germany Ludwig.
Long live the Comanche! ✊️
This guy sounds like a member of the scalping crew from Blood Meridian.
1:47 that photo isnt Texas Rangers its Confederate cavalry from Texas during the civil war. Enjoy your videos very informative.
I can't find the episode of Turners death
Awww man! I have to know what happened to Turner. I doubt he could ever kill enough to fill the hole left in his soul and psyche, but I have to find out.
Amazing to think Comanche of today have no Rez of their own.
Good. They have a Jeep pickup to forever ensconce their legacy however
Again, well done H.O.K.C.. Again, another (as I see it), prime example of the 'immoveable meeting the unstoppable'. A fitting phrase I think, when discussing 'Colonizing' in general.
But this week I'm left to wonder, why the other Indian Tribes didn't fully adopt the Comanche's way of using the horse?
They did. The Pawnee, Sioux, Cheyenne, Arapaho, and other Plains nations also adopted a life revolving around the horse. The Comanches were just better at it. What made them better? That's an excellent question. Maybe they just wanted it more, maybe generations of being trodden down by all their neighbours fostered in them the will to power.
My personal opinion about what made the Comanche better horsemen and warriors in general is due to their history of abuse at the hands of other tribes. While other tribes utilized the horse as transportation and bearing loads, the Comanches used them to change not only their lives but the entire dynamic of most of Central/West Texas and the Southern plains. They mastered riding and shooting bow or rifle with deadly accuracy from horseback and made it an integral part pf their warfare. They also learned to successfully breed the horses and that takes skill that was probably learned over a few generations. It was from the 1730’s-1750’s when they were being released, lost, abandoned or stolen in large numbers. By the Texas Revolution in 1836, the Comanches ruled the Southern plains.
@@billytrevathan6405, you sound like you're in the know. Did the Comanche use their understanding of the horse in later years,
by breeding/training and (importantly) selling them?
My Family came to what is now the USA in the mid 1600's and migrated to what is now Texas in the early 1700's around 1730. Turners exploits are well known by us as well as many others
Bro you need a mic bump. Audio quality is lacking
K
The name of the book " the turner diaries" was inspired by this story
Sounds like Josey Wales😊
Comanche drove out the Apache, says it all about how peaceful the Indians were.
Well done on the storytelling. My one criticism is that you keep showing a picture of a man who has no similarities to Big Foot Wallace’s description. Your illustrator needs to get his/her act together
Why were the Comanche killing?
Because they were tired of being killed and wanted the best resources for themselves, just like everybody else.
I am ßurprisèd Turner doès nòt have à Wiki article
Every Ranger is wearing a new hat......Hmmmmmmm.
history to real for the woke
A catamount was a bigfoot.
I feel like our heroes are our heroes and history has been written like it has, but the older i get the more i look at things from the natives point of view. Our ancestors practically enacted a genocide on the natives without the majority of people at the time looking at it in that way, the government actually made people believe that land was rightfully ours, and tricked people into fighting for it only to keep the most special areas for themselves and not honor any agreements they made with natives about only going so far. I love history, i love hearing the stories of America, i just wish history was different and there were still native lands in every state in america.
The truth is, the natives were enacting genocide on each other before the Spanish and other Europeans. The Europeans were just better at it. Make no mistake, the natives would have done the same if they could. Human nature is human nature.
You know who enacted genocide on native tribes? The Comanche! They killed everyone they encountered. They were not "good guys". They terrorized other native tribes for hundreds of years.
When you say "our ancestors", who exactly are you referring to? Would that be the Spanish, The Mexicans, or American settlers/frontiersmen? They all fought with native tribes. The first white settlers in Texas were invited there and given free land from Mexico. Mexico thought these people would form a barrier between them and the Comanche (who kept raiding Mexico). At that time in history, the land rightfully belonged to whoever was strong enough to take it. That is how the Comanche gained their territory, by violently taking it from the natives who were there before they showed up. After a few hundred years someone else showed up and took it from them.
My ancestors didn't enter North America until long after any of this took place and didn't enact genocide on anyone.
a lot of the tribes were just dum raiders
The dang Comanche was out of control, brutal tribe, I mean to out fight the Apache is saying something. Texas Rangers must have been hard-core! T.C.B. 🤟
Everyone was brutal back then.
@@danwelterweight4137 Apache,Comanche brutal was a class all its own!
"He isn't hard to track, he leaves dead bodies everywhere he go's" -Movie quote 'The outlaw Josie Wales'
PTSD has been around since the dawn of history. Turner was but one of it's unfortunate sufferers. I think that his own death would utimately serve him well; releasing him from his earthly ordeal.
Good man.
Man needs his scalps…😳