I am guessing the clap at 2:28 was to help with editing so you know where to cut. I wonder if you get a dog whistle and use that instead and have an FFMPEG script that auto cuts when it hears a certain frequency.
@@supersonictumbleweed some microphones go up to 50khz while human hearing cuts off at around 20khz. So it's definitely possible. Frequency response isn't a hard cutoff so a regular microphone might pickup a very strong 21khz signal
Well I dont have this problem because my iq is so high I don't even have to use bloat like a terminal. I just manipulate individual bits using my bare hands
@@thenextpoetician6328 nah fuck that, telekenesis is bloat, I'm currently in the process of migrating to suckless hands which only come with 3 fingers and require patches for the thumb
Sir, you're so 1960's! Seriously, the memory banks in the 60's, for example for the Saturn V rocket's guiding system, were nitted by hand. Every tiny bit of it. And they DID manipulate those bits by hand, magnetizing or demagnetizing them bit by bit. Handnitting memory banks - only real boomers do that kind of quality work! ;)
This is just sending the terminal automatically to the scratchpad. i3 or sway have a scratchpad. You could script this outside your wm config file or make use of a tabbed windows style. Bloated feature.
@@rranon8489 No idea about dwm (I guess so) but I'm pretty sure you can make an alias sending the parent window to the scratchpad using swaymsg in Sway when you call a given program. Anyway mod+shift+minus does the trick, no big deal.
@@Enthalpiste Perhaps I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like you'd still need some extra keystrokes to get the terminal off your screen once you've launched your application. Most of the time when I launch a graphical application from a terminal I don't give a shit about the console output. Being able to hide the terminal without having to think about it seems very convenient.
I like it but I think there should be a function to unswallow with a shortcut key. Just in case you happen to need to see the output live in a such a program that you probably will remove after one time use as you only need it for some rare occasion in which case you don't want to bother to change the config and compile dwm just for the single run of a program.
This is similar to plan9's rio window manager, where an application can take over the terminal window, but the implementation is much simpler. Thank you for showing this, now I have no reason to ever use any other wm.
Ha I learned something new again! Thank you for always coming up with new stuff! I've used DWM since like a month before you started using it (I've been following you on TH-cam since a month after I started with i3) and the possibilities are amazing! I'm getting a "new" Lenovo flex 14 with touchscreen soon, which I'm putting a Manjaro KDE on just to see what that's like (Blender doesn't like DWM, it doesn't let me close the Preference window without crashing) but I'm gonna miss the simplicity, low overhead and the ability to customize it that DWM has. Although I'm contemplating hacking DWM into KDE as a substitute for Kwin just to have the best of both... I love Linux!
Eh, seems kinda cool but I prefer the flexibility of using & I think. Also I forget I can always use ctrl+z + bg to send it to the background. Bonus is: if you use `setopt nohup` in your zshrc it won't kill those background processes if you kill the window. Otherwise you'd need to use `disown` every time Note: I already use dwm
You can save yourself the ctrl z by just ending any command with & to start it in the background. nohup program & Will disable the closehook and start the program in the background.
That's awesome! It reminds me of DOS games when you start it from the terminal and it covers the whole screen! It makes the terminal and the tiling paradigm much more user friendly and useful! Weird that it was not more widespread let's say 10 years ago...
You can just also push it to bg and then disassociate it with the main process or w/e...it’s usually the first solution you find if you’re looking to solve this problem. Swallowing is always better though! 😛
When Luke messing with his beard, It means he says something he does not like it deeply or supporting it or does not care about existence of that shit. I can feel it.
For the record, if no one is paying attention, I'm learning git difftool (just set nvim to my difftool), and dwm is going to be the program that I learn it with - l'll need the difftool for other things as well, but the suckless suite will be great practice). For those not leaving i3, i3ipc has a swallow script (not as efficient as patching source code).
Pretty sure in a floating window manager you can just minimize your terminal, or launch a dedicated app like gwenview. Another solution would be to use utilities like dtach and dvtm, to respectively detach from the process and maintain use of your terminal. I'm not really sold on tiling window managers even though I used to use dwm, but I will say that certain suckless programs are excellent . BTW, if you *really* want to watch a video in your terminal, output it with libcaca.
This 100% `foo &` is the correct behavior if you want this. Sometimes you need to see that output for when something is being shithouse, which is why it's there in the first place.
Why do people keep saying this? Watch the video! & still requires the redundant open terminal taking up half the screen be open for the whole time you're using the program. That's the whole point of running setsid! You're going to have to juggle a useless terminal window whereas swallow stores it safely behind the window that actually matters.
@@LukeSmithxyz may do *$mod+w* or send it to another workspace. But, worse, what if you want to open another program while this one is still up? Then you'd have to start another bash session, which is a waste of resources and forces you to press more buttons
@@censoredterminalautism4073 well you can also just watch it in a framebuffer in the terminal and i think wayland is just a library, that's why you can run a wayland window manager in multiple sessions at once
In i3, just put your windows in stacked mode () and add the & at the end. That way you have the flexibility to run things how you want. With Luke's method in dwm, when I open OBS and want to look at the logs (i.e. the default that this boomer is complaining about), it happens automatically. Switching your wm because you don't know keybindings or you don't know why defaults are the way they are is just dumb. Seriously, adding each program individually to a config file to make it just do the i3 default is dumb. Bad video is bad
I'm liking dwm but my one gripe is that tag numbers are unique for each monitor. This isn't much of a problem until I detach my thinkpad from its dock: then the tags with the same number get smooshed together. I'd prefer to keep them separate but I have no idea how to do that.
good point. you can still switch to tabbed mode. but if you are a game dev, and want console log, you have to do this for every app you want that. still. No hate. I respect every DEs and WMs in linux, just like every Distro.
You should show more in detail how to patch dwm. I mean, we all know how to install ONE patch automatically. But I’ve always wondered how you install the next patches: once you installed the first patch, all the code gets shifted and line numbers don’t correspond anymore to the ones the author of the patch originally thinked and inserted in the diff file. So once you run the patch command you get a bunch of errors and nothing else works, until you manually find the appropriate lines and modify them. At least that’s what I’ve always did but that literally sucks and takes ages
The patch program is very clever. The line numbers are just approximates and it can handle a bit of fuzziness. When you do get a conflict it can't automatically work out, it saves the chunk to a filename.rej. which is basically just a diff file containing only the hunk that it doesn't know how to reconcile. Its usually pretty easy from there to figure out what the intended change was and you can apply it manually. What I do then is once I have whatever suckless utility the way I want it, I create a new patch that includes all my patches / changes and I can apply that any time I update the program.
Have you heard about the recent Brave fiasco? They autocomplete/replace (not sure which) certain URLs with their own affiliate links. What's your take on this?
@@LukeSmithxyz Not sure what to call it, but anyway if you visit a certain site you don't expect to be redirected to an affiliate link without your permission (again not sure if it was redirection or autocompletion or some other thing). Plus they patched it immediately, which means that they acknowledged that it was a blunder.
You're not even redirected. Their affliate links are offered as options in the bar among others. They openly appear and they also don't auto-fill in. For example, if I type "coinbase.com" their afflilate link appears below. If I press enter, I go to standard coinbase rather than their link unless I deliberately click on it. I have much more issues with Brave recommending sites in general without my consent: for example if I type "n," I'll get suggestions like Google CaleNdar, LiNkdin and Nytimes. I've never visited these sites and there's no clear way to turn this off; I've looked.
Hmm, had my eye on this patch for a while.. It would be nice to be able to hotkey switch between the spawned window and the spawning terminal. Haven't looked into it yet though.. Thanks again for another informative video!
Doesn't seem to work in Ranger. If I open some video file from the terminal using mpv for example, dwm does swallow it, but it doesn't when I do the same thing in Ranger
is there an option to not have it swallow the terminal, or bring it back up, when I need the stdout fromt the program I'm running? I mean without editing the config and recompiling just to run something I might only run once or twice.
Dwm fork called "sara" doesn't have built-in status bar. Though it also has some other features baked into it being someone's personal fork. I haven't look into it too much but with a little code inspection effort you probably can find the necessary modification needed to remove the status bar from your own build.
@@geovane7881 My dotfiles are a mess :( But I made a gist showing the changes needed here: gist.github.com/khalid151/af7704926274294b5896ee1fed468b34 I'm on git version btw. And I'm still trying to migrate my configs. That gist should work on the latest stable version. Let me know if it didn't, I haven't tested it.
If there will be v-split and h-split like in i3, I will move to DWM. For now it's inconvenient for me to switch to master-slave behavior, I just like to manually arrange my windows the way I want.
You have the same problem that i have with st Terminal, when you open another windows, the lines in the terminal are cut in half, so you lose that part of the text. See minute 0:37 to 0:41 aprox, look your lines in the terminal, half is gone.
i used to do something like evince x.pdf & disown (maybe add an && exit to it ) but seeing this vid ill probably alias some commands to something like alias evince="evince $1 & disown " to make a workaround but i see your point dwm seems more intuitive planning to switch on it soon. Btw this was a great video
I think this should be just turned on/off on the fly instead of giving flags like "noswallow". Like win+S should toggle swallowing on/off and thus you can tell your window manager to swallow or not. Maybe will create a patch for this as sounds simple to do.
There is a script for this in i3: github.com/jamesofarrell/i3-swallow Also possible to get the same patch working in Sway, just need to install i3ipc-python (python-i3ipc on Arch) note that this is not automatic, instead you call the script with the desired command as an argument.
I wondered how it worked so I had a quick look at the source code. When a window gets swallowed, it actually gets both Withdrawn (which is one of the states a window can have in X besides Normal and Iconic) and then explicitely Unmaps the window (removes it from the screen), which is weird because the Window manager should already be doing that to withdrawn windows in the first place. Then the new window gets resized and moved to where the old window was.I use a stacking WM (openbox), so terminal windows staying open don't really bother me that much, since the window I opened is in front of them and I can always Iconify (minimize) the terminal, but I wondered if that could be done automatically. You'd pretty much do the same thing this patch does to detect whether a window is opened from the terminal and then set the WM_STATE property to Iconic. Then when the new Window is closed the property is reset to Normal. This would also give the user the option to bring up the terminal manually (which wouldn't be the case for a withdrawn window).The Wm should do all the heavy lifting af actually mapping and unmapping windows (which I don't kow if that is the case for dwm and other tiling WMs since they don't know what to do with iconified windows,
Why modify every command you run, when you can solve the problem globally? ALSO: Ctrl-z + bg + disown works even after you launched the command without nohup. Then again, its a terminal-as-a-desktop problem. So less than 1% of 1% of the population will run into this issue.
does it give your terminal videopowers. or is it just a fancy way of minimizing and swapping place with the video window? im sure you could alias something to run a script that does this in any distro? or is that bloat lul
the other way to run another app without tying up your terminal is to issue your command, but put & afterwards. example: mupdf document.pdf & and now the pdf will open and you can close the terminal or so something else in it. the terminal won't get swallowed though.
Both under i3 and dwm, st, urxvt and xterm "swallow" part of the text they display when resizing/moving around the windows, as you have on 3:36. xfce4-terminal doesn't act like this, so do I need to suck more with it just to have this "feature"?
What is the difference if I just added ' &' at the end of command? How this command I just ran behaves and if it will be 'closed' on program window closed?
The window still requires the terminal to be alive, unless you disown the process and also remembered to run it in `nohup` and redirected stdout/stderr somewhere else. You just get your prompt back, that's all.
100% of "terminals" (and all other programs) have that behavior. It's how Linux deals with child processes. 1) Open a file with mpv & 2) Close the parent terminal And the mpv instance will close as well. This is what setsid does: run the process independently. I expected people who watch this to understand the entire point of the video, but I guess they didn't judging by the comments.
@@SaHaRaSquad using xfce4-terminal, default manjaro settings. Child process (e.g. mpv) gets killed when I close terminal tab even with & in the end of the command.
Hi, Maybe I'm way off base here but isn't it one of the perks of launching a program in the background with & is that if you exit your terminal it doesn't exit the son process?
I usually have a local tmux session with a bunch of shells and will use the same one for opening up videos in mpv, or I'll launch a video in mpv from rofi/wofi. I also have super-p bound to open my clipboard contents in mpv which works well if I've just copied the url of a TH-cam video or something. This is still cool, though. It reminds me of launching stuff on Plan 9.
Yes, dwm indeed does it better, but how hard can it be to press f after starting mpv or using the wm's keybinds to put the window fullscreen. Also that completely useless feature is usefull for debugging programms. I at least don't care about this since it's so minor convenience.
You're literally just wrong. Go and try it on literally *any* terminal. It's not just a terminal thing, it's a universal fact of how child processes are spawned. Run a command with & in a script and kill the script and the other command is killed.
The real solution is not to run GUIs out of your terminal for no reason, and to use a launcher that pops up on a nice hotkey, or just using nohup. I'm not a fan of having an empty terminal behind every GUI because you end up having to clean them up because you dont want them anymore after closing your GUI.
I was just thinking "gee wouldn't it be nice if when you spawn a window from a terminal where the new window blocks the terminal you could hide the terminal in the same stack position" then I looked through the patches on suckless and what do you know. I installed it today and I love it. The only thing is I'd like if there was a keybinding that you could toggle a window back and forth with its "swallowed" counterpart. for example if I run 'mpv something.mkv' from an st client it replaces st in my stack but then if I press say... idk mod+>/mod+< (actual keybind can be whatever) it switches back to st so I can see the stdout in case I need to troubleshoot something but don't want to close the window. Is there something like that in swallow or will I have to modify the patch myself? shouldn't be too hard to do although I'm not familiar with the actual implementation of swallow.
>he needs to patch his window manager to get it to swallow virgin "needs to patch it to be functional" dwm vs. chad "script it however you want it" bspwm
I'm not like those other window managers, you know...
best comment of the month here
She swallows so she's the one
"its kinda hard to wonder wide-eyed about something so obvious it hurts"
love ur pfp
I click the file and VLC shows up without any issues
What is this boomer talking about
Using a DE or file manager? Or do you have that in your terminal?
@@AkamiChannel bro
Lmao
@@AkamiChannel not him but i just gnome-files (on i3). it just werks.
@@AkamiChannel I think him using a conventional DE with file manager GUI is the joke here
"Babe! It's 4PM, time to edit your dotfiles!"
yes, stallman
2:22 Weird boomer tries to attempt zoomer clap-cut
I am going to have you rename this video sir
I see you have your Steve t-shirt on, Minecraft let's play when?
and also beta Steve's beard
New persona
he is always playing minecraft, just IRL.
When's he getting an Uncle Ted hoodie?
He is Steve IRL
He didn't say "based" in this video, if you're curious.
March Literally unwatchable
cringe
did he say redpilled?
Based on what?
Doomer moment
I am guessing the clap at 2:28 was to help with editing so you know where to cut. I wonder if you get a dog whistle and use that instead and have an FFMPEG script that auto cuts when it hears a certain frequency.
you can see him stop the recording after he claps
Microphones don't pick up dog whistle
@@supersonictumbleweed depends on the microphone and the audio interface
i guess he likes to leave the dog whistles to the main parts of the video :P
@@supersonictumbleweed some microphones go up to 50khz while human hearing cuts off at around 20khz. So it's definitely possible. Frequency response isn't a hard cutoff so a regular microphone might pickup a very strong 21khz signal
2:27
The slap and the quick key press with the face was hilarious!
You made my day luke!
Laughing my ass off, for real!
0:51 Luke used his mouse, jesus christ what a normie
Actually it's his trackpoint!!111!1
So what's the proper etiquette? Do I leave my window manager a tip on the dresser now or...
You have been very productive recently
No I haven't, I've been making TH-cam videos.
@@LukeSmithxyz Are you ricing, son?
dwm is suckless, AND it swallows? I'm impressed.
pun of the year 🏆
Well I dont have this problem because my iq is so high I don't even have to use bloat like a terminal. I just manipulate individual bits using my bare hands
Some day, you might even upgrade to telekinesis. I'm still using power tools and going through monitors at a ridiculous clip. :)
@@thenextpoetician6328 nah fuck that, telekenesis is bloat, I'm currently in the process of migrating to suckless hands which only come with 3 fingers and require patches for the thumb
Sir, you're so 1960's! Seriously, the memory banks in the 60's, for example for the Saturn V rocket's guiding system, were nitted by hand. Every tiny bit of it. And they DID manipulate those bits by hand, magnetizing or demagnetizing them bit by bit. Handnitting memory banks - only real boomers do that kind of quality work! ;)
So original
This is just sending the terminal automatically to the scratchpad. i3 or sway have a scratchpad. You could script this outside your wm config file or make use of a tabbed windows style.
Bloated feature.
You can just automate sending a parent window (the terminal) to the scratchpad if you launch an app from it?
@@rranon8489 No idea about dwm (I guess so) but I'm pretty sure you can make an alias sending the parent window to the scratchpad using swaymsg in Sway when you call a given program. Anyway mod+shift+minus does the trick, no big deal.
@@Enthalpiste Perhaps I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like you'd still need some extra keystrokes to get the terminal off your screen once you've launched your application. Most of the time when I launch a graphical application from a terminal I don't give a shit about the console output. Being able to hide the terminal without having to think about it seems very convenient.
Yeh but those key presses are bloat
The fuck is a scratch pad. I only use notepad.
I like it but I think there should be a function to unswallow with a shortcut key. Just in case you happen to need to see the output live in a such a program that you probably will remove after one time use as you only need it for some rare occasion in which case you don't want to bother to change the config and compile dwm just for the single run of a program.
Me too! A an option to switch between the two and another to unswallow, showing both windows again would make this a perfect patch!
There at least should be a static const int disableswallow = 0;
If you want to unswallow something, just quit dwm (mod+shift+q)
@@_smhmd Good idea, but I would rather set it as just a regular int, and have a c function attached to a keybinding which toggles its value.
@@jasongoulet-lipman7308 always that that was a spit in the face of suckless, haha.
This is similar to plan9's rio window manager, where an application can take over the terminal window, but the implementation is much simpler. Thank you for showing this, now I have no reason to ever use any other wm.
That's because they literally inherit the same drawing surface /dev/draw
Luke Smith watching Mental Outlaw's TH-cam video. This is some epic chad elite crossover right here.
another 'problem' in linux that was elegantly solved in plan9 some 30 years ago.
I was looking for this comment, didn't want to be redundant, thanks!
what's wrong with "& disown"
Why would you type something when you rather won't?
@@Ultr4noob nope works in ksh, zsh & fish too
@@omerresnikoff3565 so that u don't have to switch to an inferior window manager
you're kidding right ?
@@sharmamadhus09 no I'm dead serious, do u have a problem with that?
Ha I learned something new again! Thank you for always coming up with new stuff! I've used DWM since like a month before you started using it (I've been following you on TH-cam since a month after I started with i3) and the possibilities are amazing! I'm getting a "new" Lenovo flex 14 with touchscreen soon, which I'm putting a Manjaro KDE on just to see what that's like (Blender doesn't like DWM, it doesn't let me close the Preference window without crashing) but I'm gonna miss the simplicity, low overhead and the ability to customize it that DWM has. Although I'm contemplating hacking DWM into KDE as a substitute for Kwin just to have the best of both... I love Linux!
Eh, seems kinda cool but I prefer the flexibility of using & I think.
Also I forget I can always use ctrl+z + bg to send it to the background.
Bonus is: if you use `setopt nohup` in your zshrc it won't kill those background processes if you kill the window. Otherwise you'd need to use `disown` every time
Note: I already use dwm
You can save yourself the ctrl z by just ending any command with & to start it in the background.
nohup program &
Will disable the closehook and start the program in the background.
OK I was quite happy with bspwm and despite all your dwm praises I was not convinced to switch but now I am finally sold compiling dwm right now
2:26 I find that transition so hilarious for some reason.
boomer moment
This feature alone made me switch from i3 to DWM. Now I have patched my DWM to be exactly how I like it and I will probably never leave DWM
That's awesome! It reminds me of DOS games when you start it from the terminal and it covers the whole screen! It makes the terminal and the tiling paradigm much more user friendly and useful! Weird that it was not more widespread let's say 10 years ago...
1:57
*SOY*
he was thinking about i3 users that's why he typed that
My window manager spits and get's mad I didn't warn it in advance.
When will Mocrosoft release this windows manager on my Windows 10?
You can just also push it to bg and then disassociate it with the main process or w/e...it’s usually the first solution you find if you’re looking to solve this problem.
Swallowing is always better though! 😛
When Luke messing with his beard, It means he says something he does not like it deeply or supporting it or does not care about existence of that shit. I can feel it.
mux on the blit terminal by Rob Pike had this in 1982
doesn't "&" at the end of any command work????
It still makes 2 windows!
@@simpleprogrammingcodes command & ; disown ; exit
Yeah works just fine for me, no big deal.
I '&' so much, my '&/7' key's worn to a nub.
Thanks, now I'll use Rio from Plan9
Honestly one of the most unique workflow styles.
Who would win, a "suckless" dwm with bloated patches or github/salman-abedin/devour with 4 lines of pure posix shell?
Man, I’ve really wanted this patch. Thanks for sharing.
Does anyone know how to make it work in Flatpak? The patch works for me but I don't know why it doesn't work in flatpak applications.
For the record, if no one is paying attention, I'm learning git difftool (just set nvim to my difftool), and dwm is going to be the program that I learn it with - l'll need the difftool for other things as well, but the suckless suite will be great practice).
For those not leaving i3, i3ipc has a swallow script (not as efficient as patching source code).
Pretty sure in a floating window manager you can just minimize your terminal, or launch a dedicated app like gwenview. Another solution would be to use utilities like dtach and dvtm, to respectively detach from the process and maintain use of your terminal. I'm not really sold on tiling window managers even though I used to use dwm, but I will say that certain suckless programs are excellent .
BTW, if you *really* want to watch a video in your terminal, output it with libcaca.
My 269 IQ solution for this problem was "mpv greenFrog.mp4 && exit"
Your terminal stays up while mpv is running then closes as soon as mpv does.
I think you mean: 'mpv greenFrog.mp4 & exit'
Can someone tell me which shortcuts did he use there? 2:27 I'm confused.
What a bloat. You can put "&" after your command to run it in background. And there is zero point in covering your shell with that new window
This 100%
`foo &` is the correct behavior if you want this.
Sometimes you need to see that output for when something is being shithouse, which is why it's there in the first place.
Why do people keep saying this? Watch the video! & still requires the redundant open terminal taking up half the screen be open for the whole time you're using the program. That's the whole point of running setsid!
You're going to have to juggle a useless terminal window whereas swallow stores it safely behind the window that actually matters.
@@LukeSmithxyz well i use $mod + f for fullscreen or $mod + w for "hiding" the window, it is not the best solution but it works for me
You mean:
$ bloatware & disown && exit
You still have to open a new terminal after you're done using your gay user-friendly bloatware though.
@@LukeSmithxyz may do *$mod+w* or send it to another workspace. But, worse, what if you want to open another program while this one is still up? Then you'd have to start another bash session, which is a waste of resources and forces you to press more buttons
Window managers are bloat. Let me do all that in the TTY, without X, with the option of using a terminal multiplexer, and then I will be happy.
Can MPV run without X?
@@davidhusicka8440 you can use mplayer. Coupled with mps-youtube, and bam, you can watch your fav yt channel from the tty.
@@davidhusicka8440 You can with another window server, like Wayland, but without one, no. Absolutely disgusting.
mplayer -vo fbdev2
@@censoredterminalautism4073 well you can also just watch it in a framebuffer in the terminal
and i think wayland is just a library, that's why you can run a wayland window manager in multiple sessions at once
Dang this is perfect. I installed DWM in FreeBSD a bit ago and it’s been an annoyance to sent the terminal to another tag whenever I open my browser
just ending any command with & to start it in the background.
nohup program &
Will disable the closehook and start the program in the background.
this comment helps with the algorithm
cool
@@tenj00 choo choo
For i3...
In sequence, Split v and layout stacking do kind of that, did you know?
Why cant just use '&' symbol at the end.
You can just add '&' after a command to run it independently of the terminal.
Literally no. Run any program with &, then close out of the terminal. What happens to your program?
(command &) to run a script in the background
@@LukeSmithxyz nohup command &
In i3, just put your windows in stacked mode () and add the & at the end. That way you have the flexibility to run things how you want. With Luke's method in dwm, when I open OBS and want to look at the logs (i.e. the default that this boomer is complaining about), it happens automatically. Switching your wm because you don't know keybindings or you don't know why defaults are the way they are is just dumb. Seriously, adding each program individually to a config file to make it just do the i3 default is dumb. Bad video is bad
Monocle mode in dwm does the same thing as what you're saying. Regardless, it's clearly a preference thing
Hey Luke, nice video! I thought about how you said up your webcam on your dwm setup?
Is there a benefit to this versus a monocle window mode?
I'm liking dwm but my one gripe is that tag numbers are unique for each monitor.
This isn't much of a problem until I detach my thinkpad from its dock: then the tags with the same number get smooshed together.
I'd prefer to keep them separate but I have no idea how to do that.
The only thing holding me back from testing dwm is that it's for X only (instead of Wayland). That's why I use sway.
You can use dwl
good point.
you can still switch to tabbed mode.
but if you are a game dev, and want console log, you have to do this for every app you want that.
still. No hate.
I respect every DEs and WMs in linux, just like every Distro.
This, tabbed mode is a quick solution to this, although it might leave your terminal unusable , but then you just open a new one
DWM swallows?! I'm sold! 💦
In i3:
Run program
Press meta+w
to I3 user I made a solution for this
th-cam.com/video/_wtolb6mgLo/w-d-xo.html
isn't this what happens in plan9 too?
You should show more in detail how to patch dwm. I mean, we all know how to install ONE patch automatically. But I’ve always wondered how you install the next patches: once you installed the first patch, all the code gets shifted and line numbers don’t correspond anymore to the ones the author of the patch originally thinked and inserted in the diff file. So once you run the patch command you get a bunch of errors and nothing else works, until you manually find the appropriate lines and modify them. At least that’s what I’ve always did but that literally sucks and takes ages
The patch program is very clever. The line numbers are just approximates and it can handle a bit of fuzziness. When you do get a conflict it can't automatically work out, it saves the chunk to a filename.rej. which is basically just a diff file containing only the hunk that it doesn't know how to reconcile. Its usually pretty easy from there to figure out what the intended change was and you can apply it manually. What I do then is once I have whatever suckless utility the way I want it, I create a new patch that includes all my patches / changes and I can apply that any time I update the program.
Have you heard about the recent Brave fiasco? They autocomplete/replace (not sure which) certain URLs with their own affiliate links. What's your take on this?
What is a "fiasco" about (openly) using affiliate links for their intended purpose?
@@LukeSmithxyz Not sure what to call it, but anyway if you visit a certain site you don't expect to be redirected to an affiliate link without your permission (again not sure if it was redirection or autocompletion or some other thing). Plus they patched it immediately, which means that they acknowledged that it was a blunder.
You're not even redirected. Their affliate links are offered as options in the bar among others. They openly appear and they also don't auto-fill in.
For example, if I type "coinbase.com" their afflilate link appears below. If I press enter, I go to standard coinbase rather than their link unless I deliberately click on it.
I have much more issues with Brave recommending sites in general without my consent: for example if I type "n," I'll get suggestions like Google CaleNdar, LiNkdin and Nytimes. I've never visited these sites and there's no clear way to turn this off; I've looked.
@@LukeSmithxyz I see. Well I haven't tried for myself as I don't use Brave, but yeah I know it wasn't exactly redirection.
I just add an '&' at the end of my commands for same behavior.
What's the problem with that ?!
That wont redirect the output, right?
That is what I do, or set it in Monocle mode. I installed the patch but it didn't do anything.
Hmm, had my eye on this patch for a while.. It would be nice to be able to hotkey switch between the spawned window and the spawning terminal. Haven't looked into it yet though..
Thanks again for another informative video!
Doesn't seem to work in Ranger. If I open some video file from the terminal using mpv for example, dwm does swallow it, but it doesn't when I do the same thing in Ranger
is there an option to not have it swallow the terminal, or bring it back up, when I need the stdout fromt the program I'm running?
I mean without editing the config and recompiling just to run something I might only run once or twice.
Is there a DWM build without the status bar. I don't need it
Its called bspwm
Dwm fork called "sara" doesn't have built-in status bar. Though it also has some other features baked into it being someone's personal fork. I haven't look into it too much but with a little code inspection effort you probably can find the necessary modification needed to remove the status bar from your own build.
@@excitableboy7031 that's not the same. It uses config files
What if you want to read program output for debugging? Can you override?
I didn't know I need this. Time to do that in awesome.
Edit: I made my WM swallow
@@geovane7881 My dotfiles are a mess :(
But I made a gist showing the changes needed here: gist.github.com/khalid151/af7704926274294b5896ee1fed468b34
I'm on git version btw. And I'm still trying to migrate my configs.
That gist should work on the latest stable version. Let me know if it didn't, I haven't tested it.
If there will be v-split and h-split like in i3, I will move to DWM. For now it's inconvenient for me to switch to master-slave behavior, I just like to manually arrange my windows the way I want.
Hi, Luke! Very funny clap, little delay with screwed face and then cut. Lol.
Wouldn't exec partially do the trick, expect closing the program and going back to the terminal?
You have the same problem that i have with st Terminal, when you open another windows, the lines in the terminal are cut in half, so you lose that part of the text. See minute 0:37 to 0:41 aprox, look your lines in the terminal, half is gone.
It seems cool, but I wouldn't really patch my build of dwm. I like to see the output of my programs.
i used to do something like evince x.pdf & disown (maybe add an && exit to it ) but seeing this vid ill probably alias some commands to something like alias evince="evince $1 & disown " to make a workaround but i see your point dwm seems more intuitive planning to switch on it soon. Btw this was a great video
I think this should be just turned on/off on the fly instead of giving flags like "noswallow".
Like win+S should toggle swallowing on/off and thus you can tell your window manager to swallow or not. Maybe will create a patch for this as sounds simple to do.
What if you want to suppress the swallow behavior just one time?
You could also suspend the process with Ctrl+z then "bg" to send job to background and "disown" to detach process from terminal.
There is a script for this in i3: github.com/jamesofarrell/i3-swallow
Also possible to get the same patch working in Sway, just need to install i3ipc-python (python-i3ipc on Arch)
note that this is not automatic, instead you call the script with the desired command as an argument.
I wondered how it worked so I had a quick look at the source code. When a window gets swallowed, it actually gets both Withdrawn (which is one of the states a window can have in X besides Normal and Iconic) and then explicitely Unmaps the window (removes it from the screen), which is weird because the Window manager should already be doing that to withdrawn windows in the first place. Then the new window gets resized and moved to where the old window was.I use a stacking WM (openbox), so terminal windows staying open don't really bother me that much, since the window I opened is in front of them and I can always Iconify (minimize) the terminal, but I wondered if that could be done automatically. You'd pretty much do the same thing this patch does to detect whether a window is opened from the terminal and then set the WM_STATE property to Iconic. Then when the new Window is closed the property is reset to Normal. This would also give the user the option to bring up the terminal manually (which wouldn't be the case for a withdrawn window).The Wm should do all the heavy lifting af actually mapping and unmapping windows (which I don't kow if that is the case for dwm and other tiling WMs since they don't know what to do with iconified windows,
Confirmed, Luke and Mental Outlaw are associates
Image installing an entire window manager to achieve this goal instead of running stuff in background for example with "nohup stuff &".
Why modify every command you run, when you can solve the problem globally? ALSO: Ctrl-z + bg + disown works even after you launched the command without nohup. Then again, its a terminal-as-a-desktop problem. So less than 1% of 1% of the population will run into this issue.
does it give your terminal videopowers. or is it just a fancy way of minimizing and swapping place with the video window? im sure you could alias something to run a script that does this in any distro? or is that bloat lul
Noticed this a couple hours ago when I was using anki - pretty cool
the other way to run another app without tying up your terminal is to issue your command, but put & afterwards. example:
mupdf document.pdf &
and now the pdf will open and you can close the terminal or so something else in it. the terminal won't get swallowed though.
Cool patch, but why doesn't just running ink the background achieve this? IIRC that lets you quit from and resume using the terminal
Where did you get that wallpaper?? I like it :D
Both under i3 and dwm, st, urxvt and xterm "swallow" part of the text they display when resizing/moving around the windows, as you have on 3:36. xfce4-terminal doesn't act like this, so do I need to suck more with it just to have this "feature"?
for_window [class="mpv"] floating enable
solved the same problem for me
What is the difference if I just added ' &' at the end of command? How this command I just ran behaves and if it will be 'closed' on program window closed?
The window still requires the terminal to be alive, unless you disown the process and also remembered to run it in `nohup` and redirected stdout/stderr somewhere else.
You just get your prompt back, that's all.
100% of "terminals" (and all other programs) have that behavior. It's how Linux deals with child processes.
1) Open a file with mpv &
2) Close the parent terminal
And the mpv instance will close as well.
This is what setsid does: run the process independently. I expected people who watch this to understand the entire point of the video, but I guess they didn't judging by the comments.
@@SaHaRaSquad using xfce4-terminal, default manjaro settings. Child process (e.g. mpv) gets killed when I close terminal tab even with & in the end of the command.
Hi, Maybe I'm way off base here but isn't it one of the perks of launching a program in the background with & is that if you exit your terminal it doesn't exit the son process?
@@aaronk408 I was wrong indeed. Mb and ty for correcting me
I usually have a local tmux session with a bunch of shells and will use the same one for opening up videos in mpv, or I'll launch a video in mpv from rofi/wofi. I also have super-p bound to open my clipboard contents in mpv which works well if I've just copied the url of a TH-cam video or something.
This is still cool, though. It reminds me of launching stuff on Plan 9.
Yes, dwm indeed does it better, but how hard can it be to press f after starting mpv or using the wm's keybinds to put the window fullscreen. Also that completely useless feature is usefull for debugging programms. I at least don't care about this since it's so minor convenience.
super + w luke. like wtf this isn’t even an issue
no one has ever been as sold as i am right now
Interesting, but as others have pointed out you can & or ctrl-z (zombie) and bg programs.
why can't i just use '&'? is there a difference?
mpv example_file.mp4 &
& requires that the terminal always be open so long as you want the child window to be open.
You're literally just wrong. Go and try it on literally *any* terminal.
It's not just a terminal thing, it's a universal fact of how child processes are spawned. Run a command with & in a script and kill the script and the other command is killed.
you have to setopt NO_HUP in your zshrc if you are using zsh or usong &! to have to running after closing the term.
The real solution is not to run GUIs out of your terminal for no reason, and to use a launcher that pops up on a nice hotkey, or just using nohup. I'm not a fan of having an empty terminal behind every GUI because you end up having to clean them up because you dont want them anymore after closing your GUI.
I was just thinking "gee wouldn't it be nice if when you spawn a window from a terminal where the new window blocks the terminal you could hide the terminal in the same stack position" then I looked through the patches on suckless and what do you know. I installed it today and I love it. The only thing is I'd like if there was a keybinding that you could toggle a window back and forth with its "swallowed" counterpart. for example if I run 'mpv something.mkv' from an st client it replaces st in my stack but then if I press say... idk mod+>/mod+< (actual keybind can be whatever) it switches back to st so I can see the stdout in case I need to troubleshoot something but don't want to close the window. Is there something like that in swallow or will I have to modify the patch myself? shouldn't be too hard to do although I'm not familiar with the actual implementation of swallow.
>he needs to patch his window manager to get it to swallow
virgin "needs to patch it to be functional" dwm vs. chad "script it however you want it" bspwm
virgin “spends most of his time on the computer” vs. chad “goes outside and talk to women”
I mean you could always just run it as a background job by appending an an & to your command
What is on the right side in thumbnail . It looks cool
If you want to unswallow something, just quit dwm (mod+shift+q)