When you consider that Carl was just a guy, a fairly normal Brit, with a normal job and a family, who felt compelled to start to fight against the lunacy of what he saw happening around him, it’s astonishing that he has become one of the leading voices in the fight for reason in liberalism. I’m a big fan.
There's upper case Liberalism which has been infiltrated by Marxists. Then, there's lower case liberalism that stands for free speech, liberty, self determination, et al.
@@jeffmoore4940 and I'm not talking about liberalism in the American context. He literally says "the problem with liberalism" and talks about how it's incomplete and covers such a narrow band of morality. He says it shows whether "the state is going too far", and we can all agree we don't want our property taken etc. Did we watch the same video???
He nails it --- as Americans, we have lost our "cheeriness." We are trapped and hated by people trying to destroy us and it confuses us. These are our countrymen and our hearts are broken.
I'm not Heartbroken. It's not in my nature to become sad and destitute about problems. It hardens my resolve. Angers me, even. And I'm ready at any moment to defend myself, and our principles, with the same level of zeal that they attack us with. They're like adolescent bullies, who ultimately only understand a good belting from the Dad they never really had.
Why would I be heartbroken about my enemies wanting to kill me??? They're my enemies, regardless of us being born in the same geographic area, they're doing what enemies are supposed to do
We are under stress we are in an interregnum. Political strategists from both parties have mentioned it. It is the largest political demographics change since the civil war, one of the biggest in our history. They feel like the world is ending , and is stressful, but it isn't.
I´m sorry to hear that. I´m British and we have the same problem here. Those commenting that you should not be heart broken have missed the point: a society in which people disagree so strongly to the point of hatred is a sad thing. I think they´ve misunderstood that you are sad about the situation, but that doesn´t mean you don´t have the resolve to defend your beliefs. I wish you well.
Sargon of akkad was my gateway out of a lefty-liberal mindset. Carl is probably the single root cause of who and what I am today and I am forever grateful for that.
I used to be more or less in the centre on most policies, now I am a far-right, nazi, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, sexist, racist, ageist, ableist, bigot. Funny thing is that my politics haven't changed much since I was a centrist.
I always considered myself a full blown conservative until i started watching Sargon and learned what liberalisim actally is and that i was far more a conservative leaning clasical liberal. Became a member of Lotus Eaters before the site was even launched and learned a hell of a lot from Carl and the rest of the crew. I'm really happy to see Carl and Dave have a good chat. Great video gents!
Carl is right about what liberalism lacks. Every person that was a liberal 10+ years ago is either passively or actively a postmodernist (passively in that they do not oppose it) or they’re now basically conservative. No one is really a liberal right now.
Their is no such thing as "classic liberal." Its just "Liberal." The Progressive Commie left simply stole the word because it sounded good. They arent Liberals and never have been. The heart of Liberalism is a LIMITED LAISSE-FAIR Govt...
Carl's always been smarter than me, but it's genuinely inspiring to have watched him develop and grow his ideals to such a level that he almost seems philosophic. He would make a fantastic teacher.
You can feel the foundation he built with reading and research. It's so interesting to see someone with no academic background reach this point, because it's a hell of a lot less formulaic than someone talking about their field of study. Carl is articulating a lot of what Jordan Peterson talks about, but it's interesting to watch how he is reaching these conclusions based on political philosophy instead of psychology.
Just different shades of SocDem in Anglosphere countries. Even the UK's Libertarian Party's position on Ukraine is "MuST sEnD moRe AiD." In stark contrast to what the Libertarian position on such actions actually is!
"Its kind of annoying that conservatives are so bad at telegraphing their message." OMG it's so annoying! Its like the difference between the solid family man who works hard, is going gray and is tired vs. the well-designed, sexy hollywood man with the nice cars, homes, party lifestyle and model-of-the-week hanging off his arm. Its obvious why he is more attractive and alluring than home dad, but he's also empty, shallow, self-destructive and ultimately meaningless in the end. Yet we always gravitate towards him by default, because of our biology, our own selfish desires, etc. It takes time and experience to gain the wisdom to recognize what's really important and what really works. So frustrating!
That was the bad influence/consequence of religion. It worked great to get us to this point in many ways, but it was also clearly flawed and easily undermined. If you take away the importance of religion as THE core social fabric of a society, the conservative values just feel aimless. We can tell those are good values, but no one can properly explain why and how. We have a lot of stuff to work if we want to fix this. Articulating these values in a better way is certainly top priority.
Is it any surprise the problem inherent in telegraphing our message when it has to go through the media first? The media is who people hear the message from!
I think he is the same, he just understands that he needs to take back the edgelord in him a bit to not give ammo to the lunatics. I miss the old times but at the time it might be better for the cause...m
@robertb1792 Well, whatever I guess man. Isn’t he the owner of Lotus Eaters? I mean, I’m glad they exist at least, it as close to a real voice a man of European descent can have almost right now.. I am glad they exist. I enjoy their humor and banter.. and when they get pi$$3d off.
@@robertb1792how many times have you commented on this video? Did you spend half as much time attempting to digest Carl’s analysis and hypotheses as you did writing snarky comments? Do you have anything constructive to say or are you satisfied with tearing things down instead of creating one positive thought?
@@chipsterb4946 I've listened to his breakdown of why he was "wrong" about Liberalism and why LIberalism failed, but I disagree. I think what he's describing is the hijacking of Liberalism by Socialists, at a time when the so called Liberals didn't know what the hell they were talking about anymore. Gone are the days when a Jefferson or a Franklin can clearly articulate what equality means in the Liberal context. Carl has basically succumbed to the Socialist lie that equality means we all start at the same starting line, and I KNOW for a fact that he has read Milton Friedman and understands the fallacy in that statement, so I'm not sure what happened for Carl to change his mind, but he's entitled to his opinion regardless of how wrong I think it is.
It's partially what he says... but in large measure it's his _durability in the face of censorship_ ... durability of income especially. Kinda proof of concept. Look what Dave actually does now. It's not his kinda crappy lightweight podcast. It's rumble & locals.
I was a pretty radical leftist until about 7 years ago. It didn't take much for me to completely flip to the right, after witnessing the insanity on the left. I used to argue with conservatives & they were always very patient with me. I realized I didnt know what I was talking about. It was embarrassing, sure; but I was so self-righteous; & I was handed my ass by sensible, rational people. I'm grateful for that. Plus, I've always had a strong faith in God, though I was loose with my interpretation then. The left doesn't seem to tolerate Christ. That was a deal-breaker for me. I think that's the core of ALL the problems we face now. I believe we're in a spiritual battle, so its not even a question of left vs. right; but evil vs. good. It just so happens that those who face the truth of our situation & have the guts to do something about it are mostly on the right & people of faith. I believe my awakening was a gift from God. I truly believe we're being called to put our faith into action now.
You believed leftist BS, now you believe rightist BS; and thru it all, belief in a BS god? Pitiful. Men made up God to sucker those of feeble mind, body and/or material plight. Hook, line, sinker, son
@@Kayem237 Oh, yeah; absolutely. The Book of Revelations pretty much describes our current situation. People say every generation has made that claim, but I don't think anyone can deny the significance & accuracy of Revelations today. I mean, come on!!!! How many wars, blights, plagues, wildfires, floods, hurricanes & moral disasters does it take to convince people to come to Jesus??!! He's not gonna interfere with our free will; we have to choose, but what's it gonna take? Do you think covid is the pale horseman?
@@marymitchell4617 An argument could be made that wars and natural disasters have always been happening. But I'm referring to something far more significant. There's a reason that it's called 'Babylon the Great' in Revelations, that is because it's attempting to call up the image of Babylon, an extremely religious nation. So consider what the 'Scarlet colored wild beast' that destroys 'Babylon the Great' is, also consider the symbolism of great beasts from Daniel's prophecy. There are a hell of a lot of things that have already happened, a TH-cam comment isn't really the appropriate format to go into an in-depth discussion about symbolism and potential meanings. But suffice it to say, that assuming that the Book of Revelations is real, I believe the seven horns were blown in the early 1900s, and the seventh bowl is actively being poured out right now as there is most certainly an army being gathered to fight God. I don't think COVID is the pale horseman. I wouldn't even say that anything in Revelations is directly symbolized by COVID, but there is a relationship to something else. There's something in Revelations that says that people will not be able to buy, sell, or trade unless they carry it. Again, I do not believe that COVID is this thing, but the reaction to COVID is just a of what that thing is. I would define what I'm referencing to be, 'The willingness to put the world of man above God.' The response to COVID was just one example of such a thing.
In a way it makes her MORE evil….because unlike the blind left winger who is a true believer, she’s KNOWS her side is wrong and continues to support it anyway
I think she has found herself on the wrong side of quite a number of issues and not been comfortable defending them. I would say she likely still considers herself a liberal, there is now a truly vast chasm between the leftist mob who seem more and more to be steering the left and a classical liberal. I often don’t agree with her but I can respect her, which is more than I can say where her partner is concerned. Cenk I just cannot stomach.
What Carl was describing here is what I have called 'the politics of nice.' I've written an article on it. The politics of nice is what the Democrats do to win over people who vote mostly with feelings and not with principle. Everything they suggest sounds very nice. We're going to help the marginalized. We're going to help the poor. We're going to help the people of color. We're going to help the oppressed. We're going to help the gays and Trans because they're marginalized. All of these lies are done because they want to stitch together Coalition of minorities to oppose the normal majority. The Republicans have yet to learn they need to label things in the same way.
@@ericaulbach think he means that Cons need to learn to market their ideas to the masses like the Dems do. They claim to help the poor and support the oppressed, and who could oppose that at face value? Those with more knowledge may know better but the average politically unplugged person doesn’t, so to them, opposing the left is basically the same thing as being overtly evil. Like opposing equality and justice and whatnot. Cons need to learn to market their ideas like the Dems, to make them appealing, simple, and easy to understand on a surface level so that Dems don’t have a monopoly on perception. Right now, conservatism is synonymous with ass backward racists who just want to oppress black peoples and force women to make them sandwiches. It’s like that because Cons suck ass at portraying their ideas well, and the Dems have mastered it.
Carl is a perfect example of how common sense and reading books is really all it takes to be wise. You have all these "experts" out there who are complete morons. People who haven't read anything other than Das Capital and have a certificate from a famous University that their parents paid for them to get who are now in charge of things they are woefully inadequate for. So let this be an example for everyone. Read as much as you can and think critically and logically. You will come out smarter and wiser than 95% of everyone around you.
Oh wow my path is so similar to Carl's, I was headhunted and started working for an internet firm and a games firm as head of design quite some time prior to that. I came into loggerheads very quickly with HR and the feminist bias at the company to my detriment as I like to help people, it was along with some of the other individuals there an eye opening experience. It was the long slow start of my awakening. I think Carl is a kind considerate man who thinks deeply and carefully about the human condition.
I also think that a hands off approach to Ana is the best thing. I've become increasingly convinced that fighting to win over people through debate is ineffective against people who have been ideologically captured. I don't think you can take someone that's a hardcore left leaning progressive for years and unravel that mess in their heads. I think you sort of have to let them live the consequences of their ideology. Moving out of these hellscape cities is powerful for 2 reasons. First it practically improves your life which is a profoundly good thing. But second it concentrates the madness in the cities, as more reasonable voices move away the proportion of insane people who remain grows, and it accelerates the insanity there. The absolute best possible argument for avoiding this insane progressive spiral is not an argument at all, it's to simply go and set up your own well functioning piece of society and prosper, don't argue what a theoretical outcome would be (which is what utopian thinkers always do), but rather live it. This is what happened in the 20th century where capitalism in the west "won" and the internal repression of communism blew itself to pieces.
I wish that what you propose were possible; but in many cases it simply isn't. This is by design, it must be said. The move to cities (hellscapes) is part of the WEF agenda, promoted and encouraged by others likewise; however whereas the infamous 'you will own nothing' article proposed pity and sadness for those "left behind" in the 'past' (which we know as the rural present), the authoritarianism is designed to absolutely prevent 'simply' doing anything. The UK Online safety Bill (and others proposed throughout the developed world) moves towards an internet 'licence' - so open communications would be restricted. Anti-Fossil fuel measures throughout Europe, Australasia, Canada are to remove the ability to heat and fuel your own home off-grid (wood burning already outlawed or rstricted, oil or coal-fired heating outlawed in future, land taken from open access and converted into wind farms, or 're-wilded' - often with dangerous mammals reintroduced to 'protected' habitats. A proposed bill that new Cars not permitted to be amended or modified - including in their control software - which (in the UK) the Government must - by law - be able to access remotely... Rural speed limits mirroring those in towns for 'health and envorinmental' reasons restricting the access people have to get from place to place. The 'option' to be an outsider, to not participate in the insanity, to live a different way; all that is being deliberately and very slowly targeted to remove all such choice; it's a very dangerous precipice on which we all now stand and 'opting out' instead of fighting against it is really only available in a few sections of US Republican states in the developed world; most of the rest, such freedom is being eradicated by design and in law.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse There's still a huge amount of diversity in the USA between the states and the kind of state laws they enact, I'm not saying you should live off the grid, but that moving to a state which has more suitable laws for your preference is a good practical solution. The more people that move to these states the stronger the voting base is there and it protects them from having degenerate state laws. There has always been bad laws proposed, but proposals aren't the same as enacting the laws so it's jumping to conclusions to fear monger about them. I stand with you in opposing these laws but I think it's always bad to take a doomsday approach to this, changes in your individual lives actually matter a lot, moving to a place where you can set local laws actually matters. I think if this becomes framed as we need to systemically change the entire country or planet then everyone becomes hopeless because it's too big in scope. Most of these absolutely insane things in the US are being done at state level, because the only way you can pass such stupid and irresponsible laws is if you have an overwhelming majority of idiots in one place, and that's what is happening to the costal big city areas which lean very heavily to the left. The moment you move out of these states you're completely freed from that shit.
It depends on the people I think. Anna is not a nutjob i think, she was and mabe is (to a lesser degree) extremly unaducated but never shy to debate someone. Thats always a good sign and in recent times I think she understands more and more what the left is right now.
I credit Sargon as one of the main figures helping me down the path of red-pilling and political awakening that started almost 10 years ago. Thank you Carl!
Lol, I realise writing insults is redundant cos there would be a pile on, but 99% of their fans can't read sarcasm. So well done - glad someone can :) @@robertb1792
Rush limbaugh unpeeled this onion for thirty five years. He taught every day what the liberals were really up to. And regularly predicted what was about to happen and was always right. We could use him today for sure. I like dave reuben! ❤💪🔥
People may not realize Rush was the godfather of the edgelords of 2016. My favorite bit, among many, was the Gurgling Cod pitcher. He once asked,"What's this sound? The last three bubbles breaking the surface at Chappaquiddick."
@ryan, how/why so? The Podcast Of The Lotus Eaters has been out there in YT land for several years, I've been subscribed to them from pretty much the start...
The biggest problem with Ron DeSantis is that he didn't get on board with a Trump/DeSantis ticket. That's what the people wanted. He let the people down because it would have been 12 years of sanity almost guaranteed.
@@joaocherrydon9413 trump has properties in a lot of places. Bedminster New Jersey amongst them. Nonetheless, DeSantis didn't have to run but he's taking a nice paycheck for it (books are bribes, nothing more, nothing less, especialy when you realize people make 5 dollars a book and these books dont' sell well but they have 10 million dollar advances... hint, he ain't selling 1 million books)
That wasn't up to DeSantis. Trump's been attacking him since 2021. It is impossible for DeSantis have gotten "on board" with something that was never offered.
As a Brit I totally agree with the vast majority Carl says. However, I am concerned about his view of the Labour Party. I’m a former member of the Tory Party and have left because I’m completely disillusioned with them and will not vote for them again until they return as a proper Conservative Party. Labour on the other hand have definitely moved more towards the middle ground, but are still full of inept people who have a history of being members of the Communist Party, Socialist Workers Party etc. They are also globalists, lovers of the EU and the World Economic Forum. They will also wreck the economy as have every Labour Party in the past because they will spend public money through massive borrowing with no care for how it will be paid back. I also still have the clear picture of Starmer being unable to describe what a woman is and the disgusting picture of him taking the knee. I don’t want my Prime Minister to be pandering to BLM, something Labour have done consistently from the beginning.
What has always gravitated me tears Carl in the early days back in 2016 was that he is just a ordinary guy when gamergate and the ghostbusters controversy came around he was the only TH-camr that was arguing against the feminist infiltration from the perspective of a normal guy who’s thinking wtf is going on
Yep....Chris Ray Guns music videos were great too. His "we didn't start the fire" parody is an awesome summary of 2015 to 2016. There's elevator-gate, big red, gta3, etc etc
@@Wintermute909 I love that music vid, but he put it on unlisted a year or two ago for some reason. O_o Also the time span of that vid was more like 2005-2016. Elevator-gate and atheism+ were around 2011 iirc.
Sargon was one of the largest, but there were a lot of TH-camrs arguing against it. Internet Aristocrat, Mundane Matt, AlphaOmegaSin, Thunderf00t, Stix, Total Biscuit, Chris Ray Gun, etc. etc.
I completely agree with Carl. I don’t think that same fight and motivation that the left had in 2020 is there right now. So many people are hurting right now and the ones on the fence last time will be moving away from the left. Maybe they wont be moving right permanently but I think they’ll be voting on the right or not voting at all.
They would NEVER go nuclear by using the legal system against Trump if they had the fuel to repeat 2020. This desperate attempt was planted well by the media calling Jan 6 an insurrection, but they should never have gone through with it. It's going to blow in their faces. Trump could endorse a ham sandwich from prison and that ham sandwich would win with more votes than Trump himself will get if he isn't arrested or stopped from running. If they think "activation" is a word to be used about democrats in 2020 they have no idea what this kind of action can do for "activating" people who don't care to vote.
It had better be enough of them to outweigh all of the rigging and cheating that's sure to come... And then the riggers and cheaters had better be prosecuted and imprisoned. ...Not let off as bygones, to continue perfecting their craft. They are Insurrectionist Traitors, following the Stalinist method.
I miss seeing Carl on TH-cam. I'm glad he's built his podcast and everything, and he's more successful and making some good money hopefully.. but I used to watch his content regularly, and it's been missed. always exciting to see him as a guest though..
@@yermanoh where?! all i see are his other hosts and whatnot. i haven’t seen him in ages. or if i do, it’s rare, and it’s super short clips. maybe youtube just isn’t showing me the stuff.. i’ma go check the channel. edit: so i checked - sargon of akkad is almost never used.. and lotus eaters is his other hosts.. so where the heck is carl? lol
@@jillybeangaming i dont think it is recent but the man does appear from time to time on his on show. but he is sometimes on his new channel: The Pondering. but he indeed does appear less being busy managing his company.
@@jillybeangaming He's pretty frequently appearing on the podcast. But all the others are exemplary folk to get to know, some youll like more thhan others, but all are monstrously educated and interesting. And if you pay for a subscription (i dont cuz im cheap), you get access to all his deeper content, history, book clubs etc which he's involved with entirely. His presence is pretty constant there really!
Carl is the personified English, or Classical Liberal. Which is in no conflict with Conservative values. Dave said it plainly, these words have recently lost all meaning. Particularly the word Liberal.
Articulate man. He's a really good advert for the UK having done the heavy lifting, hit the source material, and worked it all out from first principles.
Very informative conversation and honestly refreshingly enlightening, although I've seen this transition multiple times in my life. I truly believe that humans, in general, ( excepting the few deep thinkers among us) aren't cognitively capable to make these connections through thought but instead of reactive immaturity. Good to see that people are still thinking and finding these thoughtful realizations.
US politics changed after the Citizens United ruling, when the Supreme Court declared money equaled speech. The Democratic Party has mastered fund raising to the point where their money speaks more loudly than the rest of us can ever hope. Our wages are stagnant, we are being segregated by race and other victim classes and I don’t see how the sane can overcome the handicap that money endows.
@pathhacker4963 I find it ironic that the Left HATED that SCOTUS ruling yet took it to heart and weaponized it so well. Forget their principles about it. They just weaponized it.
I think SaltyCracker has the right idea: Get yourself into the lower levels of the institutions, sane people need to be on those teacher's boards, dogcatcher, ect ect. Getting the top of the pyramid for 4 years was no doubt a good thing, but the machine was effective in stopping in a lot of things that could have been done.
It’s amazing that we are in a time where common sense is so celebrated! Not knocking anyone we need these voices but it shouldn’t be so amazing to just hear truth and common thought process!
With de-platforming turning into de-banking and de-personing, on a increasing scale and at increasing speed, it's not difficult to see "the mark of the beast" beginning to take shape.
48:53 Dave is a bit off on this because America wasn't supposed to me multicultural, it was designed to allow assimilation to the foundational culture woth tolerance and allow each individual colony to function as its own and become part of the Federation and adhere to it's principles.
I found myself thinking "YES! YES! YES!" while Carl was making the case for Trump. I also loved the sarcasm when people called him a nazi while everyone was prospering.
50:35. Didnt we see this happen in the old soviet union in ‘91? And now we have to fight those morons here in the US. Reagan was correct when he said we are only one generation away from losing our freedom.
The problem with just letting things roll off your back is that there are a lot of naive people who will believe the negative things being said against you, even if it doesn’t bother you. You have to defend yourself publicly so that those naive people might think twice.
I like Carl but it's odd he still can't call himself a conservative. One thing I've noticed is that people such as himself are stuck on the 'classical definition of liberal'. In wearing this as some badge of honor, they make a big assumption: that if a liberal believes in free speech, for example, that a conservative must not - that he must think the opposite. That if a liberal believes in compassion, the conservative must not. These ideas, quite frankly, are ridiculous. In short, they are ignorant of what conservatism is.
I Really like DeSantis but, just honestly wondering (because I don't know) 59:49 how much of his policy victories have been with a Republican super majority in the FL Legislature???
you say that but in the UK as Carl aludes to the Conservatives have had a massive majority for 4 years. Historic majority. It was like if half of Democrat voters , voted for Trump. These where not just lifetime Labour voters who voted Tory, but their entire family history was Labour. The rejection of Labour by the working class in the north is one of the most significant political shifts in history. yet the Tories threw it down the toilet. They have allowed unparalleled immigration, woke nonsense to flourish, lockdowns, high taxes and luke warm attitudes to Brexit. even with a majority you need someone at the top with the balls and the vision, in the UK we don't have that, Florida does
that's the issue when people try to compare executive trump vs executive desantis. Trump didn't have a favorable legislature even when it was with his own party as the bucked him on key issues. DeSantis has had the advantage of a compliant legislature.
Why do i keep finding all of these Carl Benjamin interviews i never knew existed? I've been following him since his Sargon TH-cam channel since "This week in stupid" #12 or so.
All of us start off as being selfish. Selfishness is malevolent/ evil. Maturity is walking away from selfishness / malevolence/ evil. In my young adulthood, I walked away from liberalism. Bullying and being condescending, especially if I questioned or thought differently, was how I got treated. Mocked and ostracized. This was in the late '60's & early 70's. And I found the conservatives more polite & kinder. One thing, I have noticed, is that when a conservative gave, they gave from their own monies and time. When demoncrats and liberals want to give, they want taxes to pay for it. Just saying what I've noticed.
By the way, that problem with morality is part of the reason why objectivists say that Ayn Rand completes the work of classical liberals, grounding the political philosophy in a morality that supports it.
That is a point to consider. I'd say that group is possibly the only one that has built a morality which can win that fight directly. They have made an ideologically-rigid materialism that can challenge the Marxists on even footing for the trophy of being the true secular liberals. If a liberal isn't going to be grounded in either an objectivist or religious basis, then he will lack the mental shields to protect himself from marxist subversion.
Ron is great and should run in 2028. I'll vote for him, but Trump has proven fortitude and guile needed to stand against the insanity and ruthlessness of the evil leftists. We need his resolve for retribution that will result in cleaning house in a manner that no one has ever seen in living memory.
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 No, he's poisoned himself in the current time frame. I'm sorry, this was a flat out loss and WILL act against him in my very limited way for doing this. Granted that's limited to arguing on the internet, but he chose that path.
I voted for Trump twice, and was actually a small player in his ground game, door-knocking and holding up banners and signs. That being said, I think what you've just said is lunacy. Trump made extremely bad calls on covid that set up the stage for him to get rocketed out of D.C.--which he did. Now he's a whisker away from having his assets stripped and going to jail. I have no idea how people can possibly consider this cunning, fortitude, or any kind of success story. The man has failed in almost every way possible.
"He just wanted to play videogames..." AAhh I cant believe ive been in this fight against marxism for more than 10 years, thanks Sargon, you have helped spark ac classic liberal/ conservative counterrevolution in the webs and in myself, take care Karl, take care of those kids, Godspeed Westernbro
I was utterly fascinated by this movie. At the time I was still “default left/liberal” myself, but I could just sense there was something deep there. Incidentally, I was living in LA at the time and after seeing Falling Down a second time (in theaters) I immediately broke out my Thomas Guide (if you lived in SoCal before the age of smartphone navigation, you know…) and followed his route. It is 100% geographically accurate. And I used to shop at that army surplus store on Sunset. They didn’t even do any set dressing. That is *exactly* what that store looked like.
I have a framed picture of him in black and white holding the shotgun over his shoulder. Absolutely fantastic movie - "I just want to be left alone and to get home to see my kid"
I really like Ana Kasparian and have for a long time wanted to meet her and pull her out of much of that nonsense. She's a passionate gal with a heart and spirit towards what seems to be justice and general populism, by nature. And when one has those qualities in this society, 'progressivism' throws out a strong hook. Anyway, I am 100% confident I could wake her up to a bunch of it - starting with Israel. Then on to much of the 'wokism' batshittery etc etc etc. On another note.... I'm a supporter of RFK Jr. In random order, here's some of my reasons for supporting RFK Jr... -genuinely wants to heal the 'culture war' divide in our country, and he has the ability to, being liked by many different 'types' of people from across the spectrum of issues and ideas, who are tired of the 2-party duopoly -has integrity, has courage, truth seeker in general, thinks for himself (not a DNC/RNC puppet) -not phony -incorruptible, cannot be bought or bullied -thoughtful and introspective -deeply considers problems and possible solutions -vocal about the corruption of 'Citizens United' and the power of the big private money controlling government -vocal about putting an end to corporate capture over government (pharma, banks, oil, military industrial complex) -wants to get us out of 'forever wars' and to pull back on and expose the corruption within the military industrial complex -wants to pull back NATO and resolve the Ukraine problem via negotiations -vocal about the dishonesty and agendas of commercial media -wants to abolish all pharmaceutical advertisements on television (this has major influence on the 'news' narratives) -wants to keep the pharmaceutical industry honest with safety testing, transparency, etc -wants to get rid of government assist crony capitalism and subsidies for big ag, oil, etc -advocate for civil liberties -vocally against censorship (will free Snowden and Assange on 'day 1') -against mandates and police state-like policies -classical liberal sensibilities with respect of others (without the 'woke' or fake identity politics) -vocal commitment to transparency regarding FBI, CIA, NSA over-stepping and out-stepping -would put the federal budget on blockchain to be fully transparent for all citizens -passionate about environmental and ecological concerns -passionate about investing in regenerative farming practice -passionate about cleaning our food supply and exposing the unhealthy ingredients in processed 'foods' -wants to bring preventative health more into public discourse; nutrition, exercise, etc -will immediately close the border (this is not some republican scare issue, it is a very major issue - for many reasons) -will send the necessary Asylum Judges to the border to expedite the process for legal migrants -has an excellent plan to make homes affordable for all, including a program that backs mortgages at 3% and a tax structure to keep Black Rock from continuing to buy everyone out (this also will bring rent costs down dramatically) -due to his family/background, he's well-learned from the inside of the various power structures -due to his decades as an attorney successfully taking on major corporations, as well as government regulatory corruption, he is exceptionally well-suited for taking on the myriad of corporate capture over our government *I wrote the list above many months before Oct 7, 2023. I should add, especially directed towards my brothers and sisters of the populist 'left' and populist 'right', 'progressives', 'libertarians', and people who are just antiwar, in general... -RFK Jr. is in support of Israel (as am I). However, this in *no* way means he isn't also in support of helping the innocent people within Gaza. RFK Jr. has always been very aware of the conditions for the people within Gaza, and is especially aware of, and feels deep heartache for, the Hell they are living in now. As President, he is a person who would do all he could to help seek lasting peace and prosperity for all in the region -although RFK Jr. is a supporter of Israel, he is not a fan of Netanyahu, and has said repeatedly that he would *not* be writing him a blank check with American dollars to do with as he wishes -there is no one who would fight harder or more tirelessly to reach out to everyone involved, as well as to leaders outside of the region, to try to negotiate and implement a sustainable peaceful solution for both the Israelis and the Palestinians. RFK Jr. would bring many ideas and a commitment to approaching the problem there from several different angles, and involving several other players. In fact, he would have been doing this before Oct. 7. (Simply yelling 'apartheid', 'genocide', etc is *not* in service of an actual *solution* - ask Hamas) -and unlike anyone from the 2 major parties who supports Israel, RFK Jr. would never be lead by the corrupt (and disgusting) sheer financial interests of the Military Industrial Complex when it comes to *any* of America's foreign policy; including with Israel
@@andrewespinoza2896 Yup, many others do that too. People who are interested go and watch the clips to wait for the interview, and then they go and watch the whole thing when it's published.
Love you, Dave. The “good will” you are describing among conservatives comes from religious faith. Love for others is the goal in most all religions. Everyone has a religion. Some people worship themselves and care little for the well being of others. These types of people care little for traditional churches and such. Being selfish is the natural order for children. However, when you don’t outgrow it, you become a narcissist.
I don't know about that. Some of the conservative people out there are more than happy to call evil on those that don't follow their own set of beliefs despite having good counter arguments to their beliefs (See certain twitter posts/videos about Men not wanting to engage in marriage in current year that has been circling around for the last few weeks by people like Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles & Ben Shapiro). Not to mention, being selfless CAN lead to situations where you are taken advantage of, while being somewhat selfish and have respect for yourself (assuming you aren't too naive) can at least protect you from those things. What matters is the ability to reflect over your own actions and understanding that whenever you make a choice, that you hold yourself responsible to that, and can learn from your own mistakes. I'd rather be slightly selfish and respect myself, than be selfless and used by others for their own gain, and abusing my goodwill towards them.
@@Mike-ko9pz What you are describing is human nature. Humans will always find ways to hate and hurt each other. I must acknowledge that I am Christian and so I am biased. But the primary virtue in Christianity is love, love of God, love of family. love of the stranger, and even love of enemies. Yes, Christians can and have given in to the worst of their own human nature at times, but I would argue that it/they have done more good than harm in the past two thousand years. The rise of individual human liberty, the idea that every human is created equal, the abolition of slavery, the golden rule that I have heard atheists reference and not even realize or acknowledge where that originated. I remember a few years back when a non-religious friend of mine was referencing Bill Maher's comments about all the religious wars that have occurred, and I was thinking aren't there a ton more wars about power and territory, with religious wars only constituting a small minority in comparison. And I (as well as my friend) am from the US, and I was thinking has the US ever fought a war motivated by religion? I cannot speak to other religions, but Christianity has had a positive influence on western society. Even in this podcast, Carl, far from being religious, makes note of the good will people of faith seem to have toward their fellow humans. Also, the Northern Ireland conflict was not about religion, despite the terms used. There are examples in history where Christians have fought among themselves *because* of religious differences, but that isn't one of them. Finally, to disagree in part with the opening post, I do not believe that you have to be religious to have good will or morals. But I do believe ethics and morality cannot be rationally justified without reference to God.
Jordan Peterson talks a bit about psychopaths taking over institutions. Religion is not exempt from it. It's not healthy to blow your own horn and assume you or your tribe has some sort of superior way of doing things, even if you do. Every institution is subject to corruption and bad actors. Let's not forget, that 20-30 years ago Dave Rubin would never have even had the chance of engaging with many religious people. Religious people would push him towards the degeneracy of the left, and maybe he would not be married, would not adopt a child, and would instead lead the way less meaningful life. I am painting a worst-case scenario here, but there is everything to gain and nothing to lose from having someone like him on your side.
No, it doesn't. There are PLENTY of non-religious conservatives, including outright atheists. And also "Everyone has a religion." Speak for yourself Tracy: I don't have any kind of ideology, neither a supernatural religion nor a secular political ideology. Conservatism is not an ideology, merely an attitude to life. Ideology is the REAL enemy of a good society.
Carl Benjamin is correct. Im so glad he said it: "American's are under a lot of pressure." And him saying he is so glad that he doesnt have to deal with the intolerant radical left. Dont blame him. Also he's on point r when he said America wasnt always this way. Too true. 🤡
The verse is 2 Chronicles 7:14, “…if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”Feb 19, 2021
I love these intros. Watching a segment of the video I'm going to see again in a few minutes is just the best. You should take an interview like this and break it down into segments for each topic then make a bunch of videos where each segment is repeated 10-50 times. That would be great.
It is a real paradox that we celebrated the fall of communism on the east and we recreated it on the west and renamed "liberalism", while we completely forgot about the classical liberalism and work of Hayek, Friedman etc as if thinking was just not trendy any more. Love your work btw!
I agree with most of everything that Carl says about Trump and Desantis. Seems to me that he has a good grip of the situation with the Trump presidency and the republicans, in general. The one thing I would push back on is the sniping against Desantis. I think Trump has to do that, along with the other Republican rivals. He wants to show that he is still in primary mode and up to the fight against the establishment, both Republican and Democrat. I’m all for it.
Carl Benjamin's comments on The Labour Party I fear are more based on wishful thinking than rational expectation. I agree that it may be difficult to see how a Labour government could possibly be worse than the one we have, but I have full confidence that somehow Kier Starmer will find a way. We have 3 major issues. Zero Carbon policies, avoiding WWIII, and radically reducing illegal immigration. I tend to believe that if we simply leave business to get on doing what business does then the economy will do well enough. In general, all an incoming Labour government needs to do is restore a sense of stability to the people. Indeed became the conservative government that the people keep voting for but have not had since the 80s and 90s. This could happen but I for one have zero confidence that it will. Blair won 3 elections by pretending to be a conservative or moderate while destroying everything that he touched, so why should Starmer turn out to be any different?
I remembered staunch Atheist Liberal Sargon back when he argues with staunch conservative Christians (who are not very good at representing God, but headaches) on whether or not, "God is morally good or morally evil?" and I said to myself, maybe Sargon need to experience what Sodom and Gomorrah was like and say to himself "Get me out of here! I don't want this shit." 13:40 This used to be Sargon back then having that monopoly on moralism. Are Liberals really capable of "MORALISM?" that is a big question. Why do you think God gave them Israelites the ten commandments? Do you really think those people are morally good? You can only wish. You can't really know "GOOD MORALITY" unless you experience "WHAT IS EVIL?" and when you know "What Is Evil?" then you gain that wisdom of "What is Good?" For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. (Matthew 6:32-34)
Great podcast with Carl, but a few things I don't understand, this chat could have been at lest 2hrs, Ruben has 2m subs but only 15k views in first 8 hrs. Very odd data.
I'm only popping in here because of Carl. I unsubbed to Dave because his regular content has fallen off a cliff and borders on the disingenuous some times. Even in this interview, Dave said something "It always pains me to rag on Trump" but if you saw him on Tim Pool the other day, he _couldn't wait_ to interject any negative thing about Trump and even Vivek into the conversation. Never a bad word about DeSantis' mistakes, no sir! If other subs just stopped watching rather than unsubbing like I did, then that would explain the stats.
On DeSantis spending 4 more years in Florida, no one ever mentions how that would be a good opportunity to leave behind a "worthy successor" of sorts. To set things in place that will keep Florida on a good path politically before moving on to the Presidency.
13:00 This is such good stuff. Liberalism was a great weapon to pierce the social tyranny of the conservative "side", and it was a needed one. This ties well to how religion and religious texts can be viewed as a descriptive instead of a prescriptive moral guideline. A secular read of religion can take it to be the natural development of trial and error in human experience, where the lessons self select for survival and prosperity. Both are incomplete. You wouldn't go very far without something that challenged some of the fundamentals of religion. You also wouldn't go very far without religion pointing the way. How can you figure out liberalism if you can't even understand the value of human life and community? These two need each other, but both can be corrupted. Today we are witnessing the complete corruption of liberalism and the consequences are scary. Thankfully we have some strong institutions to resist, so they will have a hard time breaking us.
It was nice to hear some hope coming from our side. Real hope. We can win, we have the means and the morals, if we could but find the courage and steadfastness to use them. we have to.
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When you consider that Carl was just a guy, a fairly normal Brit, with a normal job and a family, who felt compelled to start to fight against the lunacy of what he saw happening around him, it’s astonishing that he has become one of the leading voices in the fight for reason in liberalism. I’m a big fan.
It's often those that stand up more so than those most capable that end up leading, because most people don't want stand up and risk it.
He's not fighting for liberalism, he critiques it a lot.
There's upper case Liberalism which has been infiltrated by Marxists. Then, there's lower case liberalism that stands for free speech, liberty, self determination, et al.
@@basketweaver1144 Andy is probably referring to UK's definition of liberalism.
@@jeffmoore4940 and I'm not talking about liberalism in the American context. He literally says "the problem with liberalism" and talks about how it's incomplete and covers such a narrow band of morality. He says it shows whether "the state is going too far", and we can all agree we don't want our property taken etc. Did we watch the same video???
He nails it --- as Americans, we have lost our "cheeriness." We are trapped and hated by people trying to destroy us and it confuses us. These are our countrymen and our hearts are broken.
I'm not Heartbroken.
It's not in my nature to become sad and destitute about problems.
It hardens my resolve.
Angers me, even.
And I'm ready at any moment to defend myself, and our principles, with the same level of zeal that they attack us with.
They're like adolescent bullies, who ultimately only understand a good belting from the Dad they never really had.
@@aldousorwell3807 AGREE
Why would I be heartbroken about my enemies wanting to kill me??? They're my enemies, regardless of us being born in the same geographic area, they're doing what enemies are supposed to do
We are under stress we are in an interregnum. Political strategists from both parties have mentioned it. It is the largest political demographics change since the civil war, one of the biggest in our history. They feel like the world is ending , and is stressful, but it isn't.
I´m sorry to hear that. I´m British and we have the same problem here. Those commenting that you should not be heart broken have missed the point: a society in which people disagree so strongly to the point of hatred is a sad thing. I think they´ve misunderstood that you are sad about the situation, but that doesn´t mean you don´t have the resolve to defend your beliefs. I wish you well.
Sargon of akkad was my gateway out of a lefty-liberal mindset.
Carl is probably the single root cause of who and what I am today and I am forever grateful for that.
This is the saddest thing I've read today
I used to be more or less in the centre on most policies, now I am a far-right, nazi, homophobic, transphobic, xenophobic, sexist, racist, ageist, ableist, bigot.
Funny thing is that my politics haven't changed much since I was a centrist.
@@stuartriddell2461That’s what Bill Maher says. “I didn’t change. You did.”.
If Carls midwit takes are what got you out of liberalism, I feel sorry for you bro ngl.
You can do better than Carl. You deserve better than Carl.
I always considered myself a full blown conservative until i started watching Sargon and learned what liberalisim actally is and that i was far more a conservative leaning clasical liberal. Became a member of Lotus Eaters before the site was even launched and learned a hell of a lot from Carl and the rest of the crew. I'm really happy to see Carl and Dave have a good chat. Great video gents!
except his crew member is very biased and racist towards irish (yes, we are genetically different, they are caucasian, irish are WHITE)
Carl is right about what liberalism lacks. Every person that was a liberal 10+ years ago is either passively or actively a postmodernist (passively in that they do not oppose it) or they’re now basically conservative.
No one is really a liberal right now.
Same... Carl has become a national treasure 😏👍🏼
Their is no such thing as "classic liberal." Its just "Liberal." The Progressive Commie left simply stole the word because it sounded good. They arent Liberals and never have been. The heart of Liberalism is a LIMITED LAISSE-FAIR Govt...
It's impressive how much he knows. It's clear he went for the sources, to learn from the roots. I love it.
Sargon was a huge influence in me looking at the left in a more critical lens. He was my original red pill of awareness of the radical left.
Carl's always been smarter than me, but it's genuinely inspiring to have watched him develop and grow his ideals to such a level that he almost seems philosophic. He would make a fantastic teacher.
Perception is nine tenths of the law.
He is a teacher, and the internet is his classroom.
You can feel the foundation he built with reading and research. It's so interesting to see someone with no academic background reach this point, because it's a hell of a lot less formulaic than someone talking about their field of study. Carl is articulating a lot of what Jordan Peterson talks about, but it's interesting to watch how he is reaching these conclusions based on political philosophy instead of psychology.
Dont be so sure about the smarter part, he reads a ton of stuff, i bet you could do the same but you have reason not to. Give yourself some ctedit 🎉🎉
I don't know if you're trolling. It's funny either way.
Finally, the entire interview!
There is no mainstream conservative party anywhere in Europe. The parties are left and far-left.
There almost was one in Italy...almost... I believe Hungary is the exception though, Orban very much a Conservative in the true political sense.
Just different shades of SocDem in Anglosphere countries.
Even the UK's Libertarian Party's position on Ukraine is "MuST sEnD moRe AiD." In stark contrast to what the Libertarian position on such actions actually is!
Forum for democracy in netherlands, based as f.
The same thing is happening in American. The GOP is split to pieces and they are partnering with the Dems right now to get a speaker elected .
@@mrlakkie1612what does that mean?
To say I'm a big fan of Sargon would be an understatement...
"Its kind of annoying that conservatives are so bad at telegraphing their message."
OMG it's so annoying! Its like the difference between the solid family man who works hard, is going gray and is tired vs. the well-designed, sexy hollywood man with the nice cars, homes, party lifestyle and model-of-the-week hanging off his arm. Its obvious why he is more attractive and alluring than home dad, but he's also empty, shallow, self-destructive and ultimately meaningless in the end. Yet we always gravitate towards him by default, because of our biology, our own selfish desires, etc.
It takes time and experience to gain the wisdom to recognize what's really important and what really works. So frustrating!
That was the bad influence/consequence of religion. It worked great to get us to this point in many ways, but it was also clearly flawed and easily undermined. If you take away the importance of religion as THE core social fabric of a society, the conservative values just feel aimless. We can tell those are good values, but no one can properly explain why and how. We have a lot of stuff to work if we want to fix this. Articulating these values in a better way is certainly top priority.
Is it any surprise the problem inherent in telegraphing our message when it has to go through the media first? The media is who people hear the message from!
Define what a conservative is, I'll wait.
By the way, during the US Revolution, the "conservatives" were the ones supporting the crown.
This was the best Carl Benjamin interview I've seen, by far. He's clearly matured a lot compared to his earliest anti-feminist videos.
Matured in what way? He's still the same based ruler we don't deserve but that we need, he just seems a bit more... controlled about it.
His interviews about liberalism with auron mcintyre are probably even better. His interview with nick dixon is also very very good
I think he is the same, he just understands that he needs to take back the edgelord in him a bit to not give ammo to the lunatics. I miss the old times but at the time it might be better for the cause...m
Feminist swine ! Lol
Modern feminism is actually ant feminist
This is what we should be talking about .. Sargon knows where to take the conversation.
Sargon is almost OK at one conversation. It's the only one he can do. It makes me sad.😢
@robertb1792
Well, whatever I guess man. Isn’t he the owner of Lotus Eaters? I mean, I’m glad they exist at least, it as close to a real voice a man of European descent can have almost right now.. I am glad they exist. I enjoy their humor and banter.. and when they get pi$$3d off.
WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN?
@@robertb1792how many times have you commented on this video?
Did you spend half as much time attempting to digest Carl’s analysis and hypotheses as you did writing snarky comments?
Do you have anything constructive to say or are you satisfied with tearing things down instead of creating one positive thought?
@@chipsterb4946
I've listened to his breakdown of why he was "wrong" about Liberalism and why LIberalism failed, but I disagree. I think what he's describing is the hijacking of Liberalism by Socialists, at a time when the so called Liberals didn't know what the hell they were talking about anymore. Gone are the days when a Jefferson or a Franklin can clearly articulate what equality means in the Liberal context. Carl has basically succumbed to the Socialist lie that equality means we all start at the same starting line, and I KNOW for a fact that he has read Milton Friedman and understands the fallacy in that statement, so I'm not sure what happened for Carl to change his mind, but he's entitled to his opinion regardless of how wrong I think it is.
Interesting Dave saying that Carl sort of launched his podcasting career. Tim Poole said the same thing.
It's partially what he says... but in large measure it's his _durability in the face of censorship_ ... durability of income especially. Kinda proof of concept. Look what Dave actually does now. It's not his kinda crappy lightweight podcast. It's rumble & locals.
We discovered Dave and Tim after being subscribers to Steven Crowder and Sargon of Akkad for a few years.
He's one of the youtube Dads. :)
Carl is the OG anti woke anti establishment TH-camr
I was a pretty radical leftist until about 7 years ago. It didn't take much for me to completely flip to the right, after witnessing the insanity on the left. I used to argue with conservatives & they were always very patient with me. I realized I didnt know what I was talking about. It was embarrassing, sure; but I was so self-righteous; & I was handed my ass by sensible, rational people. I'm grateful for that. Plus, I've always had a strong faith in God, though I was loose with my interpretation then. The left doesn't seem to tolerate Christ. That was a deal-breaker for me. I think that's the core of ALL the problems we face now. I believe we're in a spiritual battle, so its not even a question of left vs. right; but evil vs. good. It just so happens that those who face the truth of our situation & have the guts to do something about it are mostly on the right & people of faith. I believe my awakening was a gift from God. I truly believe we're being called to put our faith into action now.
You believed leftist BS, now you believe rightist BS; and thru it all, belief in a BS god?
Pitiful.
Men made up God to sucker those of feeble mind, body and/or material plight.
Hook, line, sinker, son
Excellent comment. Blessings
Having read Revelations recently, you don't have any idea how right you are when you say it's a spiritual battle.
@@Kayem237 Oh, yeah; absolutely. The Book of Revelations pretty much describes our current situation. People say every generation has made that claim, but I don't think anyone can deny the significance & accuracy of Revelations today. I mean, come on!!!! How many wars, blights, plagues, wildfires, floods, hurricanes & moral disasters does it take to convince people to come to Jesus??!! He's not gonna interfere with our free will; we have to choose, but what's it gonna take? Do you think covid is the pale horseman?
@@marymitchell4617 An argument could be made that wars and natural disasters have always been happening. But I'm referring to something far more significant. There's a reason that it's called 'Babylon the Great' in Revelations, that is because it's attempting to call up the image of Babylon, an extremely religious nation. So consider what the 'Scarlet colored wild beast' that destroys 'Babylon the Great' is, also consider the symbolism of great beasts from Daniel's prophecy. There are a hell of a lot of things that have already happened, a TH-cam comment isn't really the appropriate format to go into an in-depth discussion about symbolism and potential meanings. But suffice it to say, that assuming that the Book of Revelations is real, I believe the seven horns were blown in the early 1900s, and the seventh bowl is actively being poured out right now as there is most certainly an army being gathered to fight God.
I don't think COVID is the pale horseman. I wouldn't even say that anything in Revelations is directly symbolized by COVID, but there is a relationship to something else. There's something in Revelations that says that people will not be able to buy, sell, or trade unless they carry it. Again, I do not believe that COVID is this thing, but the reaction to COVID is just a of what that thing is. I would define what I'm referencing to be, 'The willingness to put the world of man above God.' The response to COVID was just one example of such a thing.
Anna Kasparian was willing to debate Ben Shapiro twice. That says something for her.
In a way it makes her MORE evil….because unlike the blind left winger who is a true believer, she’s KNOWS her side is wrong and continues to support it anyway
I think she has found herself on the wrong side of quite a number of issues and not been comfortable defending them. I would say she likely still considers herself a liberal, there is now a truly vast chasm between the leftist mob who seem more and more to be steering the left and a classical liberal. I often don’t agree with her but I can respect her, which is more than I can say where her partner is concerned. Cenk I just cannot stomach.
She had a nose job, twice
And not on home turf. She gets extra points for willing to walk into the enemies house and do it.
Anna old nose is hotter than Anna new nose. I wish her show had more of the giant pervert saying things about animals so I can watch her cringe.
What Carl was describing here is what I have called 'the politics of nice.' I've written an article on it. The politics of nice is what the Democrats do to win over people who vote mostly with feelings and not with principle. Everything they suggest sounds very nice. We're going to help the marginalized. We're going to help the poor. We're going to help the people of color. We're going to help the oppressed. We're going to help the gays and Trans because they're marginalized. All of these lies are done because they want to stitch together Coalition of minorities to oppose the normal majority. The Republicans have yet to learn they need to label things in the same way.
That wasn’t quite clear for me at the end of your statement. What exactly do we need to label and in what way?can you clarify? Much appreciated. 🙂
@@ericaulbach think he means that Cons need to learn to market their ideas to the masses like the Dems do. They claim to help the poor and support the oppressed, and who could oppose that at face value?
Those with more knowledge may know better but the average politically unplugged person doesn’t, so to them, opposing the left is basically the same thing as being overtly evil. Like opposing equality and justice and whatnot.
Cons need to learn to market their ideas like the Dems, to make them appealing, simple, and easy to understand on a surface level so that Dems don’t have a monopoly on perception.
Right now, conservatism is synonymous with ass backward racists who just want to oppress black peoples and force women to make them sandwiches. It’s like that because Cons suck ass at portraying their ideas well, and the Dems have mastered it.
More like party of "fear of being not nice"
Because we aren't as dishonest as they are.
I love my compatriot Sargon. Thanks, Rubin Report. 🌷
I've missed these type of conversations, thanks Dave!
Carl is a perfect example of how common sense and reading books is really all it takes to be wise. You have all these "experts" out there who are complete morons. People who haven't read anything other than Das Capital and have a certificate from a famous University that their parents paid for them to get who are now in charge of things they are woefully inadequate for. So let this be an example for everyone. Read as much as you can and think critically and logically. You will come out smarter and wiser than 95% of everyone around you.
He is a good example of a self-educated man. I would guess his parents gave him a proper start, but he did much of the rest himself.
I would add this: build a trove of hard copy tomes. They will come for the digital copies.
@@cheddar2648 they most certainly will. Good idea.
Oh wow my path is so similar to Carl's, I was headhunted and started working for an internet firm and a games firm as head of design quite some time prior to that. I came into loggerheads very quickly with HR and the feminist bias at the company to my detriment as I like to help people, it was along with some of the other individuals there an eye opening experience. It was the long slow start of my awakening. I think Carl is a kind considerate man who thinks deeply and carefully about the human condition.
Carl looks great. Glad he got around while he was in the US!
I also think that a hands off approach to Ana is the best thing. I've become increasingly convinced that fighting to win over people through debate is ineffective against people who have been ideologically captured. I don't think you can take someone that's a hardcore left leaning progressive for years and unravel that mess in their heads. I think you sort of have to let them live the consequences of their ideology.
Moving out of these hellscape cities is powerful for 2 reasons. First it practically improves your life which is a profoundly good thing. But second it concentrates the madness in the cities, as more reasonable voices move away the proportion of insane people who remain grows, and it accelerates the insanity there.
The absolute best possible argument for avoiding this insane progressive spiral is not an argument at all, it's to simply go and set up your own well functioning piece of society and prosper, don't argue what a theoretical outcome would be (which is what utopian thinkers always do), but rather live it. This is what happened in the 20th century where capitalism in the west "won" and the internal repression of communism blew itself to pieces.
sometimes people have to get there on their own
I wish that what you propose were possible; but in many cases it simply isn't. This is by design, it must be said. The move to cities (hellscapes) is part of the WEF agenda, promoted and encouraged by others likewise; however whereas the infamous 'you will own nothing' article proposed pity and sadness for those "left behind" in the 'past' (which we know as the rural present), the authoritarianism is designed to absolutely prevent 'simply' doing anything.
The UK Online safety Bill (and others proposed throughout the developed world) moves towards an internet 'licence' - so open communications would be restricted. Anti-Fossil fuel measures throughout Europe, Australasia, Canada are to remove the ability to heat and fuel your own home off-grid (wood burning already outlawed or rstricted, oil or coal-fired heating outlawed in future, land taken from open access and converted into wind farms, or 're-wilded' - often with dangerous mammals reintroduced to 'protected' habitats.
A proposed bill that new Cars not permitted to be amended or modified - including in their control software - which (in the UK) the Government must - by law - be able to access remotely... Rural speed limits mirroring those in towns for 'health and envorinmental' reasons restricting the access people have to get from place to place.
The 'option' to be an outsider, to not participate in the insanity, to live a different way; all that is being deliberately and very slowly targeted to remove all such choice; it's a very dangerous precipice on which we all now stand and 'opting out' instead of fighting against it is really only available in a few sections of US Republican states in the developed world; most of the rest, such freedom is being eradicated by design and in law.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse There's still a huge amount of diversity in the USA between the states and the kind of state laws they enact, I'm not saying you should live off the grid, but that moving to a state which has more suitable laws for your preference is a good practical solution. The more people that move to these states the stronger the voting base is there and it protects them from having degenerate state laws. There has always been bad laws proposed, but proposals aren't the same as enacting the laws so it's jumping to conclusions to fear monger about them. I stand with you in opposing these laws but I think it's always bad to take a doomsday approach to this, changes in your individual lives actually matter a lot, moving to a place where you can set local laws actually matters. I think if this becomes framed as we need to systemically change the entire country or planet then everyone becomes hopeless because it's too big in scope.
Most of these absolutely insane things in the US are being done at state level, because the only way you can pass such stupid and irresponsible laws is if you have an overwhelming majority of idiots in one place, and that's what is happening to the costal big city areas which lean very heavily to the left. The moment you move out of these states you're completely freed from that shit.
It depends on the people I think. Anna is not a nutjob i think, she was and mabe is (to a lesser degree) extremly unaducated but never shy to debate someone. Thats always a good sign and in recent times I think she understands more and more what the left is right now.
I credit Sargon as one of the main figures helping me down the path of red-pilling and political awakening that started almost 10 years ago. Thank you Carl!
It's so refreshing seeing two intellectual heavy-weights having such a wonderful exchange of high-level ideas.
One of em is a middle-weight at best. If you're joking, well done.
Lol, I realise writing insults is redundant cos there would be a pile on, but 99% of their fans can't read sarcasm. So well done - glad someone can :) @@robertb1792
Intellectuals? Please dont insult them...
Rush limbaugh unpeeled this onion for thirty five years. He taught every day what the liberals were really up to. And regularly predicted what was about to happen and was always right. We could use him today for sure. I like dave reuben! ❤💪🔥
I miss Rush (RIP).
Thanks to the magic of the InnerWebz we have dozens of Rush Jrs now.
...That's the bright spot.🌞
People may not realize Rush was the godfather of the edgelords of 2016.
My favorite bit, among many, was the Gurgling Cod pitcher.
He once asked,"What's this sound? The last three bubbles breaking the surface at Chappaquiddick."
Oh absolutely. Rush opened my eyes to this stuff all the way back when Clinton was POTUS. I realized how awful the Democrats were back then.
He just wanted to play video games in peace man
Lol
They came after his patreon!
That was a great interview ! The views and explanations of them that Carl had said were so perfect and clear ! WONDERFUL AND EYE OPENING 👏👏👏
I have missed Sargon so much. One of the first to be censored. Thanks for this interview Dave!
@ryan, how/why so? The Podcast Of The Lotus Eaters has been out there in YT land for several years, I've been subscribed to them from pretty much the start...
Britain's 1950s Dad is in the house.
Your guest nailed it about WHY TRUMP. AND YOU are right in saying that TRUMP should SAY IT THAT WAY.
The biggest problem with Ron DeSantis is that he didn't get on board with a Trump/DeSantis ticket. That's what the people wanted. He let the people down because it would have been 12 years of sanity almost guaranteed.
Can’t. They can’t be residents of the same state
@@joaocherrydon9413 trump has properties in a lot of places. Bedminster New Jersey amongst them. Nonetheless, DeSantis didn't have to run but he's taking a nice paycheck for it (books are bribes, nothing more, nothing less, especialy when you realize people make 5 dollars a book and these books dont' sell well but they have 10 million dollar advances... hint, he ain't selling 1 million books)
@@joaocherrydon9413an insurmountable obstacle, certainly.
That wasn't up to DeSantis. Trump's been attacking him since 2021. It is impossible for DeSantis have gotten "on board" with something that was never offered.
@@joaocherrydon9413 Yes they can, I can cite some precedents if you wish (also its formality, not legally binding)
Been following Carl since gamergate. He has really put in the work since that time.
As a Brit I totally agree with the vast majority Carl says. However, I am concerned about his view of the Labour Party. I’m a former member of the Tory Party and have left because I’m completely disillusioned with them and will not vote for them again until they return as a proper Conservative Party. Labour on the other hand have definitely moved more towards the middle ground, but are still full of inept people who have a history of being members of the Communist Party, Socialist Workers Party etc. They are also globalists, lovers of the EU and the World Economic Forum. They will also wreck the economy as have every Labour Party in the past because they will spend public money through massive borrowing with no care for how it will be paid back.
I also still have the clear picture of Starmer being unable to describe what a woman is and the disgusting picture of him taking the knee. I don’t want my Prime Minister to be pandering to BLM, something Labour have done consistently from the beginning.
The choice is left-wing (Tory), commie (Labour) or centre-right (Reform).
The tories were silent on BLM ! And all this wild woke crap is all on their watch....
What has always gravitated me tears Carl in the early days back in 2016 was that he is just a ordinary guy
when gamergate and the ghostbusters controversy came around he was the only TH-camr that was arguing against the feminist infiltration from the perspective of a normal guy who’s thinking wtf is going on
True.
Yep....Chris Ray Guns music videos were great too. His "we didn't start the fire" parody is an awesome summary of 2015 to 2016. There's elevator-gate, big red, gta3, etc etc
@@Wintermute909 I love that music vid, but he put it on unlisted a year or two ago for some reason. O_o
Also the time span of that vid was more like 2005-2016. Elevator-gate and atheism+ were around 2011 iirc.
Sargon was one of the largest, but there were a lot of TH-camrs arguing against it. Internet Aristocrat, Mundane Matt, AlphaOmegaSin, Thunderf00t, Stix, Total Biscuit, Chris Ray Gun, etc. etc.
@@AlphaCrucistotal biscuit was full lefty....
I completely agree with Carl. I don’t think that same fight and motivation that the left had in 2020 is there right now. So many people are hurting right now and the ones on the fence last time will be moving away from the left. Maybe they wont be moving right permanently but I think they’ll be voting on the right or not voting at all.
They would NEVER go nuclear by using the legal system against Trump if they had the fuel to repeat 2020. This desperate attempt was planted well by the media calling Jan 6 an insurrection, but they should never have gone through with it. It's going to blow in their faces. Trump could endorse a ham sandwich from prison and that ham sandwich would win with more votes than Trump himself will get if he isn't arrested or stopped from running. If they think "activation" is a word to be used about democrats in 2020 they have no idea what this kind of action can do for "activating" people who don't care to vote.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the average voter
It had better be enough of them to outweigh all of the rigging and cheating that's sure to come... And then the riggers and cheaters had better be prosecuted and imprisoned. ...Not let off as bygones, to continue perfecting their craft.
They are Insurrectionist Traitors, following the Stalinist method.
I miss seeing Carl on TH-cam. I'm glad he's built his podcast and everything, and he's more successful and making some good money hopefully.. but I used to watch his content regularly, and it's been missed. always exciting to see him as a guest though..
He's on TH-cam every day
@@yermanoh where?! all i see are his other hosts and whatnot. i haven’t seen him in ages. or if i do, it’s rare, and it’s super short clips. maybe youtube just isn’t showing me the stuff.. i’ma go check the channel.
edit: so i checked - sargon of akkad is almost never used.. and lotus eaters is his other hosts.. so where the heck is carl? lol
@@jillybeangaming i dont think it is recent but the man does appear from time to time on his on show. but he is sometimes on his new channel: The Pondering. but he indeed does appear less being busy managing his company.
@@jillybeangaming He's pretty frequently appearing on the podcast. But all the others are exemplary folk to get to know, some youll like more thhan others, but all are monstrously educated and interesting. And if you pay for a subscription (i dont cuz im cheap), you get access to all his deeper content, history, book clubs etc which he's involved with entirely. His presence is pretty constant there really!
@@TheCrimsonFackeri’ll have to check out the pondering.. i don’t have that one subbed to. thanks. :)
Idk this guy, but he speaks woth kindness, and his message is delivered more clearly because of it. Taking notes bruv
Carl is the personified English, or Classical Liberal. Which is in no conflict with Conservative values. Dave said it plainly, these words have recently lost all meaning. Particularly the word Liberal.
I'm 31, but when I hear the term liberal. I think of what liberal was up until Obama took over. What the term has become, I dont recognize.
Dave a liberal, calling himself a conservative contributes to these words having no meaning.
Articulate man.
He's a really good advert for the UK having done the heavy lifting, hit the source material, and worked it all out from first principles.
Very informative conversation and honestly refreshingly enlightening, although I've seen this transition multiple times in my life. I truly believe that humans, in general, ( excepting the few deep thinkers among us) aren't cognitively capable to make these connections through thought but instead of reactive immaturity. Good to see that people are still thinking and finding these thoughtful realizations.
Ran across Sargon in 2016-ish and have followed him ever since
And he looks much younger than his age, considering he is nearly 4,400 years old! :D
He speaks good English, too, for an Akkadian.
56:00
NAIL ON THE HEAD.
Love Desantis but it has to be Trump.
US politics changed after the Citizens United ruling, when the Supreme Court declared money equaled speech.
The Democratic Party has mastered fund raising to the point where their money speaks more loudly than the rest of us can ever hope.
Our wages are stagnant, we are being segregated by race and other victim classes and I don’t see how the sane can overcome the handicap that money endows.
@pathhacker4963 I find it ironic that the Left HATED that SCOTUS ruling yet took it to heart and weaponized it so well. Forget their principles about it. They just weaponized it.
Sargon has always been one of the more rigorous and intellectually honest guys around.
Good to see this reunion, like a blast from the past!
I think SaltyCracker has the right idea: Get yourself into the lower levels of the institutions, sane people need to be on those teacher's boards, dogcatcher, ect ect. Getting the top of the pyramid for 4 years was no doubt a good thing, but the machine was effective in stopping in a lot of things that could have been done.
It’s amazing that we are in a time where common sense is so celebrated! Not knocking anyone we need these voices but it shouldn’t be so amazing to just hear truth and common thought process!
The problem is that "good sense", what we consider "common sense" and reason, is no longer common.
@@tracimiller3702 sad but true!
I know what you mean
All I know is that in 2019 when I was making $12 an hour, I was paying the bills just fine. Now I'm making $15 an hour and struggling.
Amen good example
When I think evil , I think Anna K!!! She is seriously wounded by some one at some point in time!!!! Hate pours out of her!!!
Love this guy, Dave!!
I hope you have him on again.
❤❤❤
With de-platforming turning into de-banking and de-personing, on a increasing scale and at increasing speed, it's not difficult to see "the mark of the beast" beginning to take shape.
48:53 Dave is a bit off on this because America wasn't supposed to me multicultural, it was designed to allow assimilation to the foundational culture woth tolerance and allow each individual colony to function as its own and become part of the Federation and adhere to it's principles.
I found myself thinking "YES! YES! YES!" while Carl was making the case for Trump. I also loved the sarcasm when people called him a nazi while everyone was prospering.
50:35. Didnt we see this happen in the old soviet union in ‘91? And now we have to fight those morons here in the US. Reagan was correct when he said we are only one generation away from losing our freedom.
The Lotus Eaters has been my #1 go to for news of our beloved and fast disappearing West. 🇺🇸👍
It's great to have conversations with people who are smart and are reaching out to people in the Anglosfare.
The problem with just letting things roll off your back is that there are a lot of naive people who will believe the negative things being said against you, even if it doesn’t bother you. You have to defend yourself publicly so that those naive people might think twice.
The real question "Have you even read Locke" Truly big brain take, probably super smooth.
Thank you for this interview. Never knew who Benjamin was until now. Another logical thinker's mind to go through.
Looking forward to Dave and Carl having another conversation again; this was great.
I like Carl but it's odd he still can't call himself a conservative. One thing I've noticed is that people such as himself are stuck on the 'classical definition of liberal'. In wearing this as some badge of honor, they make a big assumption: that if a liberal believes in free speech, for example, that a conservative must not - that he must think the opposite. That if a liberal believes in compassion, the conservative must not. These ideas, quite frankly, are ridiculous. In short, they are ignorant of what conservatism is.
Great episode. BTW, Carl kind of looks like the one and only Christopher Hitchens.
I Really like DeSantis but, just honestly wondering (because I don't know) 59:49 how much of his policy victories have been with a Republican super majority in the FL Legislature???
you say that but in the UK as Carl aludes to the Conservatives have had a massive majority for 4 years. Historic majority.
It was like if half of Democrat voters , voted for Trump. These where not just lifetime Labour voters who voted Tory, but their entire family history was Labour.
The rejection of Labour by the working class in the north is one of the most significant political shifts in history.
yet the Tories threw it down the toilet.
They have allowed unparalleled immigration, woke nonsense to flourish, lockdowns, high taxes and luke warm attitudes to Brexit.
even with a majority you need someone at the top with the balls and the vision, in the UK we don't have that, Florida does
that's the issue when people try to compare executive trump vs executive desantis. Trump didn't have a favorable legislature even when it was with his own party as the bucked him on key issues. DeSantis has had the advantage of a compliant legislature.
How much credit does desantis get for legislature accomplishments?
Why do i keep finding all of these Carl Benjamin interviews i never knew existed? I've been following him since his Sargon TH-cam channel since "This week in stupid" #12 or so.
Currently asking myself this question myself
I feel like it's 2015 again hearing you two talk. If only the same political shift could occur.
All of us start off as being selfish. Selfishness is malevolent/ evil. Maturity is walking away from selfishness / malevolence/ evil. In my young adulthood, I walked away from liberalism. Bullying and being condescending, especially if I questioned or thought differently, was how I got treated. Mocked and ostracized. This was in the late '60's & early 70's. And I found the conservatives more polite & kinder. One thing, I have noticed, is that when a conservative gave, they gave from their own monies and time. When demoncrats and liberals want to give, they want taxes to pay for it. Just saying what I've noticed.
Now that's a classy and pertinent conversation! Thank you.
intellectual honesty and moral courage - loved that
By the way, that problem with morality is part of the reason why objectivists say that Ayn Rand completes the work of classical liberals, grounding the political philosophy in a morality that supports it.
That is a point to consider. I'd say that group is possibly the only one that has built a morality which can win that fight directly. They have made an ideologically-rigid materialism that can challenge the Marxists on even footing for the trophy of being the true secular liberals. If a liberal isn't going to be grounded in either an objectivist or religious basis, then he will lack the mental shields to protect himself from marxist subversion.
Ron is great and should run in 2028. I'll vote for him, but Trump has proven fortitude and guile needed to stand against the insanity and ruthlessness of the evil leftists. We need his resolve for retribution that will result in cleaning house in a manner that no one has ever seen in living memory.
It doesn't hurt anything for Ron DeSantis to run in a GOP primary now. He needs national exposure before 2028.
But they won’t allow Trump to win.
@@foxtrotjulietbravo5536 No, he's poisoned himself in the current time frame. I'm sorry, this was a flat out loss and WILL act against him in my very limited way for doing this. Granted that's limited to arguing on the internet, but he chose that path.
@@PoseidonOilRig DeSantis didn't betray anyone. Trump turned on him over covid.
I voted for Trump twice, and was actually a small player in his ground game, door-knocking and holding up banners and signs. That being said, I think what you've just said is lunacy. Trump made extremely bad calls on covid that set up the stage for him to get rocketed out of D.C.--which he did. Now he's a whisker away from having his assets stripped and going to jail. I have no idea how people can possibly consider this cunning, fortitude, or any kind of success story. The man has failed in almost every way possible.
"He just wanted to play videogames..." AAhh I cant believe ive been in this fight against marxism for more than 10 years, thanks Sargon, you have helped spark ac classic liberal/ conservative counterrevolution in the webs and in myself, take care Karl, take care of those kids, Godspeed Westernbro
Bro the movie about the fall of Left Wing America was already done.... it's called "Falling Down"
I was utterly fascinated by this movie. At the time I was still “default left/liberal” myself, but I could just sense there was something deep there.
Incidentally, I was living in LA at the time and after seeing Falling Down a second time (in theaters) I immediately broke out my Thomas Guide (if you lived in SoCal before the age of smartphone navigation, you know…) and followed his route.
It is 100% geographically accurate. And I used to shop at that army surplus store on Sunset. They didn’t even do any set dressing. That is *exactly* what that store looked like.
I have a framed picture of him in black and white holding the shotgun over his shoulder.
Absolutely fantastic movie - "I just want to be left alone and to get home to see my kid"
I really like Ana Kasparian and have for a long time wanted to meet her and pull her out of much of that nonsense. She's a passionate gal with a heart and spirit towards what seems to be justice and general populism, by nature. And when one has those qualities in this society, 'progressivism' throws out a strong hook. Anyway, I am 100% confident I could wake her up to a bunch of it - starting with Israel. Then on to much of the 'wokism' batshittery etc etc etc.
On another note.... I'm a supporter of RFK Jr. In random order, here's some of my reasons for supporting RFK Jr...
-genuinely wants to heal the 'culture war' divide in our country, and he has the ability to, being liked by many different 'types' of people from across the spectrum of issues and ideas, who are tired of the 2-party duopoly
-has integrity, has courage, truth seeker in general, thinks for himself (not a DNC/RNC puppet)
-not phony
-incorruptible, cannot be bought or bullied
-thoughtful and introspective
-deeply considers problems and possible solutions
-vocal about the corruption of 'Citizens United' and the power of the big private money controlling government
-vocal about putting an end to corporate capture over government (pharma, banks, oil, military industrial complex)
-wants to get us out of 'forever wars' and to pull back on and expose the corruption within the military industrial complex
-wants to pull back NATO and resolve the Ukraine problem via negotiations
-vocal about the dishonesty and agendas of commercial media
-wants to abolish all pharmaceutical advertisements on television (this has major influence on the 'news' narratives)
-wants to keep the pharmaceutical industry honest with safety testing, transparency, etc
-wants to get rid of government assist crony capitalism and subsidies for big ag, oil, etc
-advocate for civil liberties
-vocally against censorship (will free Snowden and Assange on 'day 1')
-against mandates and police state-like policies
-classical liberal sensibilities with respect of others (without the 'woke' or fake identity politics)
-vocal commitment to transparency regarding FBI, CIA, NSA over-stepping and out-stepping
-would put the federal budget on blockchain to be fully transparent for all citizens
-passionate about environmental and ecological concerns
-passionate about investing in regenerative farming practice
-passionate about cleaning our food supply and exposing the unhealthy ingredients in processed 'foods'
-wants to bring preventative health more into public discourse; nutrition, exercise, etc
-will immediately close the border (this is not some republican scare issue, it is a very major issue - for many reasons)
-will send the necessary Asylum Judges to the border to expedite the process for legal migrants
-has an excellent plan to make homes affordable for all, including a program that backs mortgages at 3% and a tax structure to keep Black Rock from continuing to buy everyone out (this also will bring rent costs down dramatically)
-due to his family/background, he's well-learned from the inside of the various power structures
-due to his decades as an attorney successfully taking on major corporations, as well as government regulatory corruption, he is exceptionally well-suited for taking on the myriad of corporate capture over our government
*I wrote the list above many months before Oct 7, 2023. I should add, especially directed towards my brothers and sisters of the populist 'left' and populist 'right', 'progressives', 'libertarians', and people who are just antiwar, in general...
-RFK Jr. is in support of Israel (as am I). However, this in *no* way means he isn't also in support of helping the innocent people within Gaza. RFK Jr. has always been very aware of the conditions for the people within Gaza, and is especially aware of, and feels deep heartache for, the Hell they are living in now. As President, he is a person who would do all he could to help seek lasting peace and prosperity for all in the region
-although RFK Jr. is a supporter of Israel, he is not a fan of Netanyahu, and has said repeatedly that he would *not* be writing him a blank check with American dollars to do with as he wishes
-there is no one who would fight harder or more tirelessly to reach out to everyone involved, as well as to leaders outside of the region, to try to negotiate and implement a sustainable peaceful solution for both the Israelis and the Palestinians. RFK Jr. would bring many ideas and a commitment to approaching the problem there from several different angles, and involving several other players. In fact, he would have been doing this before Oct. 7. (Simply yelling 'apartheid', 'genocide', etc is *not* in service of an actual *solution* - ask Hamas)
-and unlike anyone from the 2 major parties who supports Israel, RFK Jr. would never be lead by the corrupt (and disgusting) sheer financial interests of the Military Industrial Complex when it comes to *any* of America's foreign policy; including with Israel
A classical liberal with an appreciation for hearthy conservatism. Perfectly said. I am going to use that.
Open the northern border. Let the sane conservatives of Canada come to the US and let the crazy lefties of the US move north to Canada.
Dave why do you show clips first then.put out the full interview? It drives me crazy! Great interview and throughly i enjoyed it!
Because of revenue. You can collect more views chopping up the stream into parts than releasing the full interview
@@andrewespinoza2896 Yup, many others do that too. People who are interested go and watch the clips to wait for the interview, and then they go and watch the whole thing when it's published.
Love you, Dave. The “good will” you are describing among conservatives comes from religious faith. Love for others is the goal in most all religions. Everyone has a religion. Some people worship themselves and care little for the well being of others. These types of people care little for traditional churches and such. Being selfish is the natural order for children. However, when you don’t outgrow it, you become a narcissist.
I don't know about that. Some of the conservative people out there are more than happy to call evil on those that don't follow their own set of beliefs despite having good counter arguments to their beliefs (See certain twitter posts/videos about Men not wanting to engage in marriage in current year that has been circling around for the last few weeks by people like Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles & Ben Shapiro). Not to mention, being selfless CAN lead to situations where you are taken advantage of, while being somewhat selfish and have respect for yourself (assuming you aren't too naive) can at least protect you from those things. What matters is the ability to reflect over your own actions and understanding that whenever you make a choice, that you hold yourself responsible to that, and can learn from your own mistakes.
I'd rather be slightly selfish and respect myself, than be selfless and used by others for their own gain, and abusing my goodwill towards them.
That's not true. I'm not religious, I'm just a decent person.
@@Mike-ko9pz What you are describing is human nature. Humans will always find ways to hate and hurt each other. I must acknowledge that I am Christian and so I am biased. But the primary virtue in Christianity is love, love of God, love of family. love of the stranger, and even love of enemies. Yes, Christians can and have given in to the worst of their own human nature at times, but I would argue that it/they have done more good than harm in the past two thousand years. The rise of individual human liberty, the idea that every human is created equal, the abolition of slavery, the golden rule that I have heard atheists reference and not even realize or acknowledge where that originated. I remember a few years back when a non-religious friend of mine was referencing Bill Maher's comments about all the religious wars that have occurred, and I was thinking aren't there a ton more wars about power and territory, with religious wars only constituting a small minority in comparison. And I (as well as my friend) am from the US, and I was thinking has the US ever fought a war motivated by religion? I cannot speak to other religions, but Christianity has had a positive influence on western society. Even in this podcast, Carl, far from being religious, makes note of the good will people of faith seem to have toward their fellow humans. Also, the Northern Ireland conflict was not about religion, despite the terms used. There are examples in history where Christians have fought among themselves *because* of religious differences, but that isn't one of them. Finally, to disagree in part with the opening post, I do not believe that you have to be religious to have good will or morals. But I do believe ethics and morality cannot be rationally justified without reference to God.
Jordan Peterson talks a bit about psychopaths taking over institutions. Religion is not exempt from it. It's not healthy to blow your own horn and assume you or your tribe has some sort of superior way of doing things, even if you do. Every institution is subject to corruption and bad actors. Let's not forget, that 20-30 years ago Dave Rubin would never have even had the chance of engaging with many religious people. Religious people would push him towards the degeneracy of the left, and maybe he would not be married, would not adopt a child, and would instead lead the way less meaningful life. I am painting a worst-case scenario here, but there is everything to gain and nothing to lose from having someone like him on your side.
No, it doesn't. There are PLENTY of non-religious conservatives, including outright atheists. And also "Everyone has a religion." Speak for yourself Tracy: I don't have any kind of ideology, neither a supernatural religion nor a secular political ideology. Conservatism is not an ideology, merely an attitude to life. Ideology is the REAL enemy of a good society.
Carl Benjamin is correct. Im so glad he said it: "American's are under a lot of pressure." And him saying he is so glad that he doesnt have to deal with
the intolerant radical left. Dont blame him. Also he's on point r when he said America wasnt always this way. Too true. 🤡
Sargon of Akkad is one of the best voices on the podCast space, I love Carl and The Lotus Eaters, I listen to them regularly
The verse is 2 Chronicles 7:14, “…if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.”Feb 19, 2021
I love these intros. Watching a segment of the video I'm going to see again in a few minutes is just the best. You should take an interview like this and break it down into segments for each topic then make a bunch of videos where each segment is repeated 10-50 times. That would be great.
It's really flecking annoying. Main reason I haven't watched this channel in years now.
@@peterc3262yet here you are
Your personal freedom shouldn't negatively affect other people's.
I first went to San Francisco in 1979. I absolutely loved the place.
It is a real paradox that we celebrated the fall of communism on the east and we recreated it on the west and renamed "liberalism", while we completely forgot about the classical liberalism and work of Hayek, Friedman etc as if thinking was just not trendy any more. Love your work btw!
I agree with most of everything that Carl says about Trump and Desantis. Seems to me that he has a good grip of the situation with the Trump presidency and the republicans, in general. The one thing I would push back on is the sniping against Desantis. I think Trump has to do that, along with the other Republican rivals. He wants to show that he is still in primary mode and up to the fight against the establishment, both Republican and Democrat. I’m all for it.
Carl Benjamin's comments on The Labour Party I fear are more based on wishful thinking than rational expectation. I agree that it may be difficult to see how a Labour government could possibly be worse than the one we have, but I have full confidence that somehow Kier Starmer will find a way. We have 3 major issues. Zero Carbon policies, avoiding WWIII, and radically reducing illegal immigration. I tend to believe that if we simply leave business to get on doing what business does then the economy will do well enough. In general, all an incoming Labour government needs to do is restore a sense of stability to the people. Indeed became the conservative government that the people keep voting for but have not had since the 80s and 90s. This could happen but I for one have zero confidence that it will. Blair won 3 elections by pretending to be a conservative or moderate while destroying everything that he touched, so why should Starmer turn out to be any different?
I remembered staunch Atheist Liberal Sargon back when he argues with staunch conservative Christians (who are not very good at representing God, but headaches) on whether or not, "God is morally good or morally evil?" and I said to myself, maybe Sargon need to experience what Sodom and Gomorrah was like and say to himself "Get me out of here! I don't want this shit."
13:40 This used to be Sargon back then having that monopoly on moralism. Are Liberals really capable of "MORALISM?" that is a big question.
Why do you think God gave them Israelites the ten commandments?
Do you really think those people are morally good? You can only wish.
You can't really know "GOOD MORALITY" unless you experience "WHAT IS EVIL?"
and when you know "What Is Evil?" then you gain that wisdom of "What is Good?"
For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore, do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.
(Matthew 6:32-34)
Great podcast with Carl, but a few things I don't understand, this chat could have been at lest 2hrs, Ruben has 2m subs but only 15k views in first 8 hrs. Very odd data.
I'm only popping in here because of Carl. I unsubbed to Dave because his regular content has fallen off a cliff and borders on the disingenuous some times. Even in this interview, Dave said something "It always pains me to rag on Trump" but if you saw him on Tim Pool the other day, he _couldn't wait_ to interject any negative thing about Trump and even Vivek into the conversation. Never a bad word about DeSantis' mistakes, no sir!
If other subs just stopped watching rather than unsubbing like I did, then that would explain the stats.
Wait when did sargon disappear to do this...the lotus boys just said he was on holiday 😂😂
His holiday might have been in the US ?
@sgtjerry2001 yeah but they shows him with an orange cocktail an huge sombrero hat thingy on, plus he's FC Norf he musta been in Spain lol 😆 😂 🤣
@@darthgorthaur258 ain't the sombrero Mexican?
@sgtjerry2001 nah definitely Spanish-ish...lol
Carl/Sargon was the first voice I began listening to on You Tube. SUCH an impressive mind. Thank you Dave and Carl.
Great interview! Really enjoyed it..
Love Sargon - and I fully agree with his viewpoint on Trump.
How many Russians, when stood in front of the firing squad cried " long live Stalin "?
True devotion to ones bad choices.
Absolutely excellent show, thank you 👏👏
This should be good
On DeSantis spending 4 more years in Florida, no one ever mentions how that would be a good opportunity to leave behind a "worthy successor" of sorts. To set things in place that will keep Florida on a good path politically before moving on to the Presidency.
Such a lovely discussion.
13:00 This is such good stuff. Liberalism was a great weapon to pierce the social tyranny of the conservative "side", and it was a needed one. This ties well to how religion and religious texts can be viewed as a descriptive instead of a prescriptive moral guideline. A secular read of religion can take it to be the natural development of trial and error in human experience, where the lessons self select for survival and prosperity. Both are incomplete. You wouldn't go very far without something that challenged some of the fundamentals of religion. You also wouldn't go very far without religion pointing the way. How can you figure out liberalism if you can't even understand the value of human life and community?
These two need each other, but both can be corrupted. Today we are witnessing the complete corruption of liberalism and the consequences are scary. Thankfully we have some strong institutions to resist, so they will have a hard time breaking us.
I am moving from Colorado to Georgia, honestly I don't want to be around people that hate me. Carl is right we lost our smile.
It was nice to hear some hope coming from our side. Real hope. We can win, we have the means and the morals, if we could but find the courage and steadfastness to use them. we have to.
Will Ana Kasparian go on Dave Rubin’s show