Normally I just go and make myself food when people do that, or AF4 Idc about losing my hunter, had a good match and now they’ll be wasting time on a dead player
how could they when he can jump out a window and spray down 3 people before they can even turn around and ADS lol. The gun is super OP in compounds. He's lucky they didn't just pull out and hover 100m around the compound.
This gun is a scam lol. I’ve been “rich” in this game for awhile and I hate using this shit. Overpriced. If you want to spend this money and have fun use the nitro
yeah, I had the same thought during the intro. they made the dolch special because it was too strong with shared medium ammo reserves. I don't see why this shouldn't be done with the avto too.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not advocate for the avto, but I think that would make it weaker than when they introduced the sparks pistols. When you could only run dual uppers it was enough ammo to be dangerous but not enough to be a home wrecker. I'm honestly not sure what they should do, the gun doesnt seem to have a place in the game for me. Maybe your right and give it special ammo.
@@chriscolbert2188 Avto is Not op. It depends on the Player. Hunt gives you multiple options to kill people. It is like I said. I kill Avto noobs in 1 sec
Yeah, it has become a real problem since the sparks pistol. In south america servers the playerbase isn't very big, so there are a few known individuals that spam only avtomat every game, and they shoot in a very sus way (with near perfect recoil control), it has been a pain finding these people in trios (and since playerbase is too small, sbmm just doesn't work, they fall in 4 star lobbies being a 6 star stack)
Maluco, eu sei exatamente de quem vc ta falando. Não só esses manos jogam SÓ de Avto como eles ainda são RUINS pra piorar. Eles jogam pra tirar a diversão dos outros e mais nada
Fighting an Avto is one thing, but fighting *Hornet* with an Avto is SCARY! Hope they make the Avto special ammo one day. Love the videos man! Keep it up!
but the sad part is that dolch is heavily underwhelming considering its price and after the past sway/recoil changes on semi autos its really not worth the price anymore
I agree that ammo stacking is the real issue with it. My suggestion has been make the avto it's own ammo type, but still not classified as special ammo. So no stacking, but can still resupply from normal ammo boxes.
At that point you would need to give the avto some reserve ammo otherwise it has it's old issue of having no ammo. I think making it special ammo with 15 in the magazine and 15 reserve, similar style to dolch, wohld be a good middle ground. Removing the stripper clip reload would also be a way to nerf it's lethality by making it slower to use.
@@activeentropy Portable ammo boxes solve the problem. One must also not forget that one is no longer dependent on double parks and can therefore still take a good secondary. An example would be the Uppercut or 2 slot weapons.
The only thing I can think of was prefiring knowing there is one left and not wanting to be opposite a possible contested window with little cover. But yeah I didn't see or hear anything.
I paused, went frame by frame , zoomed in and still can't see the guy he shot . Must have been on the other side of the wall and dude has esp or something
The gun needs an utterly ridiculous amount of recoil to balance it in any way. The number of times I’ve been laser beamed from 100m or more with it is ridiculous. The ammo situation doesn’t bother me, the gun need recoil.
You arent getting laser beamed dude, it kills in 2 body shots like every other mosin variant in the game. 2 hits out of a 15 round magazine, do the math.
I still don’t think the avto should be in the game, it has no place in hunt. I’m totally fine with literally everything else but the avto infuriates me every time I have to play against it. It’s not fun to play against it, when you die to it it doesn’t feel like you got outskilled it just feels like they sprayed long ammo bullets faster than you could. It doesn’t feel good in the game
I particularly loooooove those guys that run double or triple avto on their team while running into the compound screaming offensive slurs and talking shit.
i believe a good nerf would be to remove the clip reloads by putting a metal bar over the bolt (like the scope on the mosin sniper) so you can spray, but it'll take forever to put those rounds back in
You immediately can recognize someone with avtomat because they push in dumb ways like if they would be invincibile, while usually they camp or creep around the map
I don't think the issue is with ammo, even with just 1 long ammo pistol you can bring extra ammo boxes, 4 even if need be. A lot of teams wiped using the avto are with the first 15 rounds of the first clip. There is also a free avto recoilless script that is going around that people are abusing and crytek not banning anyone for using
How do you do those Silent Bunny hops? I know Lightfoot is a thing, but even with Lightfoot, the character makes sound sometimes. It seems like you dont make sound at all.
The avto is broken, and personally I'd say it doesn't even feel like a gun that belongs in hunt, the ammo stacking is definitely making it worse though, and there's two ways I can see that it can be fixed: 1. Decrease the reload speed, this one is pretty easy just remove the 5 round stripper clips from the gun and make it single round at a time, the fact you can let off two bursts and then reload them rapidly thanks to the stripper clip is insane when you consider both of those bursts can be kills out to 40 meters, if not longer. If we want an in-game reasoning, we can say all the automatic modifications block the clips from properly working, so that way the obrez drum can still use them, for what little good that does. 2. Remove the ability to duel weld Sparks pistols, literally ever since it was introduced the only thing duel weld sparks have been used for are ammo stacking, they are so bad and inconstant that trying to actively use them in a firefight is worse than any other duel weld. The fact that low ammo pool is one of the few weaknesses of most long ammo guns and you can basically solve it with quartermaster, about $300 hunt dollars and the lack of a sidearm seems unfair even when looking at other long ammo guns, like the Krag for instance. This wouldn't technically completely remove 30 spare long ammo round duel weld, as you could still do it with the uppercuts, but at that point you're spending about $900 dollars for them, and unless you fire off all your rounds out of the pistols, you only actually have 18 spare. And this wouldn't be anything new, we already have small slot "pistols" you can't duel weld, like the hand crossbow.
Avto + 2 sparks pistols and 1 or 2 ammo boxes and you have an easy win. I like to play Avto everytime I go prestige, because I can throw out my money on this weapon.
Avto is one of those guns that I am so torn on. I feel 0 remorse using it when there are long ammo sniper rats in every lobby. But seeing Hornet with an Avto is a special breed of terror. Good show.
@@dunpeal1923 Yea, it would kill the avto for sure. If it was special ammo, you would have to give it some sort of ammo reserve so it could grab more ammo from boxes. Doing this would make it strong again, but not as strong as running avto with 2 sparks.
Aaaaaand guess what, Hunt devs don't mind that at all, actually they were trying hard all those past years to change hunt from being a hardcode slow-paced game with limited ammo and consumables to the one we are having right now, to be floating in a pool of ammo, consumables and loot boxes and ammo boxes, to become a fast paced, run and gun, COD/arcade-ish game. 🤷♀
"They dont lose the hunter and can accumulate more money" And here I am with 2 chinese randoms who teamkill me with a 1600 Hunt Dollar Loadout. Twice in a row
Hunt Showdown was my first PC shooter 3 years ago and when I started I couldn't hit anything with the Avtomat. Then I played 60 hours of Warzone and now I kill someone every time I pull the trigger. Avtomat is fair and balanced.
Also theres another issue, which is with the Mosin right now, involving the ammo: if you have a bit of ping, you can commonly cause a glitch which duplicates ammo for the mosin and its variants, as long as you are not clip-reloading. This often only dups one bullet per reload with ping, but with the avto you can get a lot of ammo back as long as you're reloading with a reserve below that needed for a clip. The sniper is even better for it! You can get as many as 3 bullets, in my experience, out of a reload of a single bullet. (and it actually dupes them, your reserve can be 1.)
That's the reason, why crytek doesn't give a shit about the avto issue, because they target the average player (3 to low 5 stars). And those people aren't that wealthy nor have they the skill to use it properly. But in 6 star lobbys its a real pain in the ass.
general fix to long ammo meta is to overhaul the bar system or just change the dmg values on guns (but you cant nerf long ammo dmg to 124 if you dont buff it another way like ammo pool or rate of fire). The whole "you have been downed once so now you are easy 1 tap haha" is anti fun and just makes the game more boring. It punishes plays and rewards camping.
The avto likes to burst when you tap fire it, I've had it burst up to 7 rounds in a single tap. Presumably the dark sight lets him fire a single round; although he still fired 3 rounds during one of his dark sight cancels
Avto is the hardest to ballance gun bc its only (almost) machine gun in game, so when other players will shot with ,,normal" guns guy with avto up close will mostly win. But i think that making it special ammo is good way to ballance it, I think the problem is not in gun but in side arm, letting players took 2sparks pistol to avto is sooo fucking dump. And I think ammo boxes should be put it tools category so you can bring only one. Or reload change, relading by ammo clips is a bit too fast.
I think the dual sparks needs to go, just don't have an option to dual wield them and you are forced to use either dual uppercuts if you really want the ammo, single sparks pistol or an obrez for longer range, all better options and not just dummy ammo slots
how to make a smooth movement with the mouse? whenever I shoot I miss everything because my hand shakes too much. Do you have any tips to improve this?
Do you knoe why? Like is it because you get excited and heartrate goes up or perhaps afraid to lose the loadout . That usually comes with time but you can always practice tracking and flicking on grunts to build confidence after u wipe a server or even before when u melee
Played with an avto user yesterday .. 2.22 kd and he killed 5 guys with it no problem Had double sparks pistol and 2 ammo boxes What about make it small ammo? Would that do anything different? Like needing 3 hits instead of 2.. Another question: Why are your enemys play like bots? I mean look at the first enemy .. what was he doing ???
Avto is such a tough gun to balance. And at the end of the day hunt is hunt and no matter how much you balance it people who are good will still kill you with it. I think making it special ammo ruins the fun of the gun. Not really being able to resupply at all getting 3 bullets from a special box wouldn't exactly be fun. Maybe make it special ammo with a multiplayer on its resupply. Let it get like 8 or 9 rounds from 1 special box. Still spamable with ammo boxes but you have to think about your shots more and you couldn't ammo stack so you couldn't just maintain fights/pressure forever. Also I would like the old sight back. That'd be cool.
I think unfair is the perfect word, and not necessarily OP. Though with the infinite ammo thing kinda pushes it over the line to that as well. But imo just the base concept of the weapon has never been fun in a game like Hunt and getting rng headsotted or insta two tapped by it always feels unfair. It's not like you can do anything when it happens and it's not like the user needs much skill to accomplish it. I think dualies hold a similar spot in my mind, just to a lesser extent.
people should realize that bringing in 2 ammo boxes removes all utility of having actual consumables, you basically are putting all your eggs in one basket and relying on the fact you have an avtomat until you use your ammo boxes and loot more consumables, the avto is just as "unfair" as the nitro.
Special ammo was another thing they introduced to the Dolch, together with that ridiculously slow reload. It used to be medium ammo. I remember running a Vetterli with a Dolch P just to bolster my ammo, only ever using the Dolch P back then..
"The Avto is an issue" => plays avtos regularly, even before the event. Which you have all the rights to do, obviously. The dumb thing was to implement an automatic weapon into a game where others shoot 1 bullet ever second, or every 4 seconds in some cases. Always feels fair, balanced, and well thought out.
I think that a good idea for the avto and nitro might be related to the change of movility mechanics they anounced a few patches ago... like, if yo uhave a heavy gun, move slower... besides the ammo... in the SA servers everyone has an avto, its like call of duty lol ... so we have this debate every stream... good video, ugly avto :P
great gameplay, i usually only play with a crossbow and calvary saber when i play hunt, i always avoided this gun due to how fast it could burn through ammo, but now you got me wanting to use it!
My experience with the avto? Basically if I hear it before I get close to the fight, I just extract. I dont feel like fighting in such an unfair setting. Its the only weapon where I think "fuck this shit i'm out". Nitro shredder is broken and could require rework? Yes. But Avto takes little to no skill at all to land some kills even to the dumbest fuck in the bayou and its clear crytek has tried their best to lower the skill ceiling year after year by adding all of this RNG bullshit.
That first game looked painful lol. Trio of long ammo couldn’t push or overwhelm a solo. Kudos to you, Hornet, stay based
Normally I just go and make myself food when people do that, or AF4
Idc about losing my hunter, had a good match and now they’ll be wasting time on a dead player
how could they when he can jump out a window and spray down 3 people before they can even turn around and ADS lol. The gun is super OP in compounds. He's lucky they didn't just pull out and hover 100m around the compound.
This gun is a scam lol. I’ve been “rich” in this game for awhile and I hate using this shit. Overpriced. If you want to spend this money and have fun use the nitro
Pretty sure, the most healthy nerf for the Avto would be to make it special ammo.
yeah, I had the same thought during the intro. they made the dolch special because it was too strong with shared medium ammo reserves. I don't see why this shouldn't be done with the avto too.
Dont get me wrong, I'm not advocate for the avto, but I think that would make it weaker than when they introduced the sparks pistols. When you could only run dual uppers it was enough ammo to be dangerous but not enough to be a home wrecker. I'm honestly not sure what they should do, the gun doesnt seem to have a place in the game for me. Maybe your right and give it special ammo.
True dat sir
That or a jamming mechanic that randomly has to be cleared. It's an early automatic rifle after all.
@@Lieutenant_Dude I feel like that's going to far lol
Putting a fully automatic gun in your Western game, what a great idea that was.
they should have made it stationary only or something, maybe with a bipod
@@OhBoy235 only noobs would say such a thing. I own AVTO boys with a handcrossbow lol
@@flixfeliks Maybe NPCS, yeah sure.
@@chriscolbert2188 Avto is Not op. It depends on the Player. Hunt gives you multiple options to kill people. It is like I said. I kill Avto noobs in 1 sec
@@flixfeliks key word there, noobs. Your never killing a 6star with handcross when they have avto
Yeah, it has become a real problem since the sparks pistol. In south america servers the playerbase isn't very big, so there are a few known individuals that spam only avtomat every game, and they shoot in a very sus way (with near perfect recoil control), it has been a pain finding these people in trios (and since playerbase is too small, sbmm just doesn't work, they fall in 4 star lobbies being a 6 star stack)
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Maluco, eu sei exatamente de quem vc ta falando. Não só esses manos jogam SÓ de Avto como eles ainda são RUINS pra piorar. Eles jogam pra tirar a diversão dos outros e mais nada
so true and they love playing Cain
skill issue
@@Izumgi Who knows, maybe for them
as Ive been saying for a long time now avto should be 4 slot. It would fix the issue instantly
Fighting an Avto is one thing, but fighting *Hornet* with an Avto is SCARY! Hope they make the Avto special ammo one day. Love the videos man! Keep it up!
Is rachta the same person as hornet ? Or two different players
during the day he's hornet, but when the clock strikes 12, he becomes rachta
@@bando4772 nice badass answer but i need a serious one
@@zharnadir3473 2 different ones, they sometimes play together as trio or duo
I don't think special ammo is the right call...
Maybe reduce the damage to 124 and put a slower ads timing and i think should be fine.
I have never in my existence seen someone leave a game faster than the guy killed at 1:10
That was a Lunar pact perk
If he cannot be the fastest gunner in the bayou, he'll be fastest ALT-F4 in the Bayou
@@ParshakThief oh does that signify that if he gets up he’ll have all his chunks?
@@wholelottawhale4103 yes, this one
Don't think he left. 90% sure he was part of that last team.
I say longer reload would definitely help balance it out a bit like they did with the dolch
I agree the reload animation on the avto is so fast compared to other guns. way too fast, it feels like a COD reload + infinite ammo.
but the sad part is that dolch is heavily underwhelming considering its price and after the past sway/recoil changes on semi autos its really not worth the price anymore
They should make the handling go way down. Force people to use it at close range only.
Maybe a bit of a stretch, but fiddle with the gun model to disallow stripper clip reloads. You get your 15 rounds and then a punishing reload.
true, you don't get the 5er clip reload on the normal Mosin, but the Avto out of all guns gets it? Makes no sense
The first game was the best automat game I've ever seen. You're just a beast.
I agree that ammo stacking is the real issue with it. My suggestion has been make the avto it's own ammo type, but still not classified as special ammo. So no stacking, but can still resupply from normal ammo boxes.
At that point you would need to give the avto some reserve ammo otherwise it has it's old issue of having no ammo. I think making it special ammo with 15 in the magazine and 15 reserve, similar style to dolch, wohld be a good middle ground. Removing the stripper clip reload would also be a way to nerf it's lethality by making it slower to use.
@@activeentropy Portable ammo boxes solve the problem. One must also not forget that one is no longer dependent on double parks and can therefore still take a good secondary. An example would be the Uppercut or 2 slot weapons.
@@activeentropy are you smoking crack
That 5:45 shot is crazy, I didn’t hear it see anyone and just shoots and gets a kill wild.
Thank you I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed that. I had to rewind it 10 times and I still can’t see or hear anyone.
The only thing I can think of was prefiring knowing there is one left and not wanting to be opposite a possible contested window with little cover. But yeah I didn't see or hear anything.
I paused, went frame by frame , zoomed in and still can't see the guy he shot . Must have been on the other side of the wall and dude has esp or something
Not to mention the recoil script issues where people are shooting and their mouse is automatically doing perfect recoil control
This
Yeah people cheating like this should get instabanned. Dumb subhumans.
What are your sound settings? I can hardly hear anything except player movement.
The gun needs an utterly ridiculous amount of recoil to balance it in any way.
The number of times I’ve been laser beamed from 100m or more with it is ridiculous.
The ammo situation doesn’t bother me, the gun need recoil.
You arent getting laser beamed dude, it kills in 2 body shots like every other mosin variant in the game.
2 hits out of a 15 round magazine, do the math.
I still don’t think the avto should be in the game, it has no place in hunt. I’m totally fine with literally everything else but the avto infuriates me every time I have to play against it. It’s not fun to play against it, when you die to it it doesn’t feel like you got outskilled it just feels like they sprayed long ammo bullets faster than you could. It doesn’t feel good in the game
I particularly loooooove those guys that run double or triple avto on their team while running into the compound screaming offensive slurs and talking shit.
"I killed them, Hornet :)" "Nice, Rachta!"
i believe a good nerf would be to remove the clip reloads by putting a metal bar over the bolt (like the scope on the mosin sniper) so you can spray, but it'll take forever to put those rounds back in
You immediately can recognize someone with avtomat because they push in dumb ways like if they would be invincibile, while usually they camp or creep around the map
Yeah I mean I would too if I had this this seems so aids
@@iimasheriiol222 me too
i like this mechanik you use on 16:45 thats really cool
I don't think the issue is with ammo, even with just 1 long ammo pistol you can bring extra ammo boxes, 4 even if need be. A lot of teams wiped using the avto are with the first 15 rounds of the first clip. There is also a free avto recoilless script that is going around that people are abusing and crytek not banning anyone for using
they have recently updated EAC to fix that
@@hornetlul that is great news
The avto is still way too controllable. They should give it the same rng as full fanning with the uppercut and leave it as a meme gun.
Особенно с макросами.
"especially with macros"
How do you do those Silent Bunny hops? I know Lightfoot is a thing, but even with Lightfoot, the character makes sound sometimes. It seems like you dont make sound at all.
there is some level of bhopping in this game, you just need to learn to time it right, or just do what the csgo guys do and bind scroll wheel to jump
You need to pause for the exact minimum time amount between jumps for your character to stay silent with Lightfoot.
the last trio of the first clip are the most 6 stars gamers ever ,they didnt move an inch until hornet stroke XD
The avto is broken, and personally I'd say it doesn't even feel like a gun that belongs in hunt, the ammo stacking is definitely making it worse though, and there's two ways I can see that it can be fixed:
1. Decrease the reload speed, this one is pretty easy just remove the 5 round stripper clips from the gun and make it single round at a time, the fact you can let off two bursts and then reload them rapidly thanks to the stripper clip is insane when you consider both of those bursts can be kills out to 40 meters, if not longer. If we want an in-game reasoning, we can say all the automatic modifications block the clips from properly working, so that way the obrez drum can still use them, for what little good that does.
2. Remove the ability to duel weld Sparks pistols, literally ever since it was introduced the only thing duel weld sparks have been used for are ammo stacking, they are so bad and inconstant that trying to actively use them in a firefight is worse than any other duel weld. The fact that low ammo pool is one of the few weaknesses of most long ammo guns and you can basically solve it with quartermaster, about $300 hunt dollars and the lack of a sidearm seems unfair even when looking at other long ammo guns, like the Krag for instance. This wouldn't technically completely remove 30 spare long ammo round duel weld, as you could still do it with the uppercuts, but at that point you're spending about $900 dollars for them, and unless you fire off all your rounds out of the pistols, you only actually have 18 spare. And this wouldn't be anything new, we already have small slot "pistols" you can't duel weld, like the hand crossbow.
Avto + 2 sparks pistols and 1 or 2 ammo boxes and you have an easy win. I like to play Avto everytime I go prestige, because I can throw out my money on this weapon.
They should probably make the Ammo a special ammo weapon like the nitro
Avto is one of those guns that I am so torn on. I feel 0 remorse using it when there are long ammo sniper rats in every lobby. But seeing Hornet with an Avto is a special breed of terror. Good show.
hornet doing the usual public service of making sure Dennis is having nightmare wracked sleep in a tangled mass of sweat soaked sheets. keep it up
BABE WAKE UP NEW HORNET VIDEO.
You either gay, or have the best GF ever in this case 🤣
At 8:39 how did you reorder your consumables?
WHAT I need to figure out how to do that
Guess they included that in a prior update. Hold the hotkey that you want the item you're holding to be in. Then it switches.
i feel like machine guns and flash bangs just dont belong in the bayou lol
do you swap the sound from "good afternoon" to "good avtonoon" now?
Maybe a solution to the avto is to keep it normal ammo and make the reload one bullet at a time instead of stripper clips
hey @hornet do u think switching the ammo type of the avtomat to special would be too much or would it bring it to a more ''fair'' level?
its hard to tell without testing anything but ofc it could make it picked way less
It would kill it. Because then u cant take a second weapon to have extra ammo and the avto comes with 15 bullets total already loaded into the gun.
@@dunpeal1923 Yea, it would kill the avto for sure. If it was special ammo, you would have to give it some sort of ammo reserve so it could grab more ammo from boxes. Doing this would make it strong again, but not as strong as running avto with 2 sparks.
@@simyri Make it special. give it 15 extra bullets from start and 4-7 bullets per box and its kinda balanced.
I still will never understand why Crytek don't just... remove the gun?!
Incompetence and cowardice. They lose more players by having it in the game than just outright removing it.
@@Helmutlozzi Thats what i mean. It's a PR open goal. Just remove it, fanbase pats them on the back.....
Aaaaaand guess what, Hunt devs don't mind that at all, actually they were trying hard all those past years to change hunt from being a hardcode slow-paced game with limited ammo and consumables to the one we are having right now, to be floating in a pool of ammo, consumables and loot boxes and ammo boxes, to become a fast paced, run and gun, COD/arcade-ish game. 🤷♀
The Hunt leadership is pure incompetence.
"They dont lose the hunter and can accumulate more money"
And here I am with 2 chinese randoms who teamkill me with a 1600 Hunt Dollar Loadout.
Twice in a row
Nothing like that ever happened to in 3k hours
@@rumsbums3113 Russian server? Cause thats how russian servers work apparently
"nice ping buddy" says the american on eu server
To be fair, we don't know where he lives. He could very well live in the EU.
"Avto is weak mid to close range. It's just an expensive meme gun." my ass
I truly hope it gets either reworked - which is highly unlikely or gutted
The First Seconds are enough when you see the avtomat with nearly 30extra ammo...
What is this meme edit at the end. I blew up laughing 🤣
Fun watching hornet being ehtically questionable.
Nice High Ping at the End Kappa :) As always a Banger Video just enjoying to watch it every Time!
"NIce ping, buddyyyyyyy!"
Hunt Showdown was my first PC shooter 3 years ago and when I started I couldn't hit anything with the Avtomat. Then I played 60 hours of Warzone and now I kill someone every time I pull the trigger. Avtomat is fair and balanced.
I would make it small ammo too. The only thing I like about avto is the sound heard from far away, gives chills...
No one ever talks about reducing the magazine capacity. Make it 10 bullets maybe even less...
3:39 better call Saul
Also theres another issue, which is with the Mosin right now, involving the ammo: if you have a bit of ping, you can commonly cause a glitch which duplicates ammo for the mosin and its variants, as long as you are not clip-reloading. This often only dups one bullet per reload with ping, but with the avto you can get a lot of ammo back as long as you're reloading with a reserve below that needed for a clip. The sniper is even better for it! You can get as many as 3 bullets, in my experience, out of a reload of a single bullet. (and it actually dupes them, your reserve can be 1.)
That's the reason, why crytek doesn't give a shit about the avto issue, because they target the average player (3 to low 5 stars). And those people aren't that wealthy nor have they the skill to use it properly. But in 6 star lobbys its a real pain in the ass.
The changes to Avtos Crytek needs to do:
1 - Slow ADS timming
2 - Reduce it's damage to 124 (it has 136 now which is over powered for a machine gun).
they should also silence it and give an optional deadeye to make it more fun. and fmj high velo hybrid ammo with bleed
It's so rare to see. Not sure it needs a nerf. No reason for it to be that pricey if they do decide to nerf it
@@tulipalll lol... how is it rare?
@@tulipalll rare? I see more avto than springfields haha
general fix to long ammo meta is to overhaul the bar system or just change the dmg values on guns (but you cant nerf long ammo dmg to 124 if you dont buff it another way like ammo pool or rate of fire). The whole "you have been downed once so now you are easy 1 tap haha" is anti fun and just makes the game more boring. It punishes plays and rewards camping.
*HORNET 6, GOING LOUD*
16:50 why do you keep shooting then going into darksight
The avto likes to burst when you tap fire it, I've had it burst up to 7 rounds in a single tap. Presumably the dark sight lets him fire a single round; although he still fired 3 rounds during one of his dark sight cancels
Avto is the hardest to ballance gun bc its only (almost) machine gun in game, so when other players will shot with ,,normal" guns guy with avto up close will mostly win. But i think that making it special ammo is good way to ballance it, I think the problem is not in gun but in side arm, letting players took 2sparks pistol to avto is sooo fucking dump. And I think ammo boxes should be put it tools category so you can bring only one. Or reload change, relading by ammo clips is a bit too fast.
Ggs. Maby an ammo nerf with the upper or sparks when combined?
Meanwhile reddit hunt players: Avtomat is not OP, you just don't know how to counter it, SkIlL IsSuE
Their counter: Stay 100m away with scopes
and somehow some guys can still burst you down from that distance (macros, perfect recoil control, I dont even know anymore)
The playerbase is filled with smoothbrains like this sadly. Zero critical thinking skills.
I am terrible with the avto. I will loot it off my opponent 100% of the time, only to miss every shot and blow my ammo pool and die.
i hate it more than the Nitro. Needs a way longer reload to punish misses or spamming. Maybe it becomes special ammo.
I'd like to use a jump binding command, what is it?
God i replay it over and and over again but I still cant hear what you heard on that guy crouching at 3:55 maybe im deaf or sum
@hornet How do you "empty" guns? i never understood how you do it.
You waste their bullets until the gun is empty
I think the dual sparks needs to go, just don't have an option to dual wield them and you are forced to use either dual uppercuts if you really want the ammo, single sparks pistol or an obrez for longer range, all better options and not just dummy ammo slots
or make the Avto a special ammo weapon so you'd have to bring dolches for more ammo. Also you'd need special ammo crates to loot more
how to make a smooth movement with the mouse? whenever I shoot I miss everything because my hand shakes too much. Do you have any tips to improve this?
Do you knoe why? Like is it because you get excited and heartrate goes up or perhaps afraid to lose the loadout . That usually comes with time but you can always practice tracking and flicking on grunts to build confidence after u wipe a server or even before when u melee
You have crazy high sensitivity and probably a shitty mous on top of that
Ahh in that last fight, you should have taken his specter there with your empty carbine. Good fights!
yea true , tunnel vision at its best :p
@hornet love your vids always! Best hunter in the bayou!
how to fix avtomat? Give it a special ammo type like the dolch
Played with an avto user yesterday .. 2.22 kd and he killed 5 guys with it no problem
Had double sparks pistol and 2 ammo boxes
What about make it small ammo?
Would that do anything different?
Like needing 3 hits instead of 2..
Another question:
Why are your enemys play like bots? I mean look at the first enemy .. what was he doing ???
hes playing solo the mmr goes down if you play solo
Btw you can one tam with this thing if you cancel burst with dark sight after first bullet, useful long range
Yes but its still not accurate its just for show since you fire 1 bullet but loose 3 but yea , I showcased it in the video too
@@hornetlul I did not know till this video that you could cancel avto burst with dark sight and make it a semi auto fire 😳 that'd Amazing
Ain’t no way the moment people keep a gap between you and them the avto turns into a crutch
Avto is such a tough gun to balance. And at the end of the day hunt is hunt and no matter how much you balance it people who are good will still kill you with it. I think making it special ammo ruins the fun of the gun. Not really being able to resupply at all getting 3 bullets from a special box wouldn't exactly be fun. Maybe make it special ammo with a multiplayer on its resupply. Let it get like 8 or 9 rounds from 1 special box. Still spamable with ammo boxes but you have to think about your shots more and you couldn't ammo stack so you couldn't just maintain fights/pressure forever. Also I would like the old sight back. That'd be cool.
I would say make it special ammo but still able to be resupplied from ammo boxes
el rac
that trap was well placed, and he almost got you ;) ....almost
I think unfair is the perfect word, and not necessarily OP. Though with the infinite ammo thing kinda pushes it over the line to that as well. But imo just the base concept of the weapon has never been fun in a game like Hunt and getting rng headsotted or insta two tapped by it always feels unfair. It's not like you can do anything when it happens and it's not like the user needs much skill to accomplish it.
I think dualies hold a similar spot in my mind, just to a lesser extent.
people should realize that bringing in 2 ammo boxes removes all utility of having actual consumables, you basically are putting all your eggs in one basket and relying on the fact you have an avtomat until you use your ammo boxes and loot more consumables, the avto is just as "unfair" as the nitro.
That first game is wildcats
That’s a whole assault rifle
In my opinion crytek should make avto 15/15 (30 ammo total), but make it special ammo. Exactly like a dolch
This
Exactly
No need in additional ammo. Just give it 15/0 like in obrez drum, forcing avtomat users to bring more ammo boxes and use avtomat more carefully
15/5 and you got yourself a deal
Avto should just not be in the game. It doesn't matter how you nerf it, it will always feel unfair to die to it.
I think I also heard abut a bug abuse which allows u to get the weapon u use it on for free back after just loosing it
Felt like I was watching call of duty (I mean that in a good way). Idk how you control that thing so well!
I would give it back the ability to tapfire but also give the player a movement speed penalty.
There are 1 things in this game that need a nerf, AVTO without a question, and Flash (time is way to long)
If it was single fire when tapped and full auto when held it would be true meta
30:59 how can a normal human being vault here?
Special ammo, lower the damage and range.
avto needs to be special ammo, this garbage gun sucks the fun out of Hunt ngl.
what did you mean when you said macro? is there a cheat with the avtomat?
Apparently
Avto should have the same slow reload speed as the Dolch, that would force a different and much slower playstyle.
Special ammo was another thing they introduced to the Dolch, together with that ridiculously slow reload.
It used to be medium ammo.
I remember running a Vetterli with a Dolch P just to bolster my ammo, only ever using the Dolch P back then..
No noise?
Bahaha morally questionable
I think the fix is obvious. Make it special ammo and keep everything else how it is. Or is there something I'm not considering?
Removing it.
Make it jam every two or three rounds, as it does IRL.
"The Avto is an issue" => plays avtos regularly, even before the event. Which you have all the rights to do, obviously. The dumb thing was to implement an automatic weapon into a game where others shoot 1 bullet ever second, or every 4 seconds in some cases. Always feels fair, balanced, and well thought out.
you cant make an avtomat video without playing the avtomat if that makes sense
Really love your content latelay, i have been watching you on youtube now for over 1 year and its getting better and better.
lol nice song choice for the intro
Best thing to do with these if you manage to down one is waste all the ammo in it then burn it off the map.
this first game omg...
I’ll admit it’s fun playing call of duty in Hunt with the avto but it definitely doesn’t feel good😂
31:22 Back to the old days of editing?
I think that a good idea for the avto and nitro might be related to the change of movility mechanics they anounced a few patches ago... like, if yo uhave a heavy gun, move slower... besides the ammo... in the SA servers everyone has an avto, its like call of duty lol ... so we have this debate every stream... good video, ugly avto :P
Yep, when you reach MMR 6 often there are lobbies with only avto e nitro players, that's CoD like u said
@@riccardocaroli4111 Don't forget the solo snipers 😅 Damn i hate 6 mmr
@@kevvdo2851 probably i prefer the avtomat lobbies than Cain snipers that hide and play like if they're in real life
@@riccardocaroli4111 yeah just sucks the fun out of the game
very nice movement
great gameplay, i usually only play with a crossbow and calvary saber when i play hunt, i always avoided this gun due to how fast it could burn through ammo, but now you got me wanting to use it!
whats the song in the end?
rabbit in the mine port sulphur
@@hornetlul wow thanks for the quick reply love your videos btw
Whenever I run into someone using this gun they always spray at me and miss
My experience with the avto? Basically if I hear it before I get close to the fight, I just extract. I dont feel like fighting in such an unfair setting. Its the only weapon where I think "fuck this shit i'm out". Nitro shredder is broken and could require rework? Yes. But Avto takes little to no skill at all to land some kills even to the dumbest fuck in the bayou and its clear crytek has tried their best to lower the skill ceiling year after year by adding all of this RNG bullshit.