East Asia server player here(from Malaysia) It's infested with mainland china players And 99% of em are very toxic and selfish Heck, I simply told em to not rush and wait for those falling behind in the voice chat and they called me BAI ZU(which translate to white pig in mandarin) like bruv, I'm not even caucasian 😅
I just realized that the reason that the bolter has a draw animation of a full sized Buick Sedan is that it's supposed to be used on a Veteran as a long range tool. Makes sense, but that's definitely more of a reason to not run it on a Zealot.
The bolter still feels like it's unnecessarily clunky. Everything takes too long to do on it and without a 75+ roll on stability it's like fighting a bucking horse to get on target while firing.
I see it as canonically accurate, no real human person should even control something that big let alone fire it. Sure gameplay wise it could be a bit faster in a board shooter. But you’re mostly using it to clear specials and elites and bosses. Not basic cannon fodder. It’s fracking fun to use tho
@@LeosDictionaryGG The bolter is actually not supposed to have that much kick, and the version that humans use is significantly smaller than an astartes pattern. The idea is that there is a small charge that propels the round out of the barrel and then a rocket engine kicks in once it has cleared, so you actually don't get recoil from the main projectile.
I used to play a lot of bolt vet at launch, it was one of the best weapon. I think it suffered a lot from the disappearing of the instant reload ability after the skill tree rework, I hope one day it will come back
The veteran saying "Not exactly a place you'd like to raise a family" was the most bizarre thing I've ever heard in warhammer. Who the fuck thinks about raising a family in warhammer.
Unironically? Most of the Imperium. While of course what we see in the games and campaigns is the giant death-battles because those are what’s interesting, the majority of worlds in the Imperium are not constantly under siege, and most Imperial citizens just work overly long hours pushing papers, growing crops, or working factories and then come home to their family or whatever else. Also, when most Guard regiments reach their end of service, they’ll conquer a frontier world and let the surviving Guardsmen build homes and raise new families on the newly settled world.
The thing I appreciate about the Bolter, if your teammates can manage to be at least someone intelligent in their gameplay, then you can almost single-handedly the only range support needed the whole game
Im not sure if the bolter benefits much from marksman. I dont use it much, but i do know for a fact that weapons with extremely high damage that has low breakpoints (revolver for example) dont get much out of it, as it doesnt give new breakpoints anyway. Headhunter mk9 (whichever is the semi one) in my experience is nuts because not only are you already 1 shotting all chaffs with the right perks, with max stacks (10?) you are able delete pretty much all specials even without the proper modifiers (all maniacs, gunners and shotgunners for example die at max stacks) - this is an example of the perfect weapon to use with marksman. Unfortunately because stacks only build on headshot kills stuff like the HH mk 3 is kind of hard to make use for it because its harder to miss the head for the kill. Basically marksman focus has an issue of weapons with high damage dont benefit much (outside of reload speed) and those with poopoo damage dont get much out of it cuz its hard to build stacks.
marksman's focus specifically benefits lower damage faster firing weapons more. You get extra stacks for every headshot you make so if you can hit multiple headshots without killing them, you can easily build lots of stacks off a single enemy. It's very easy to maintain max stacks with columnus infantry and accatran recon lasgun because you can shoot someone 3-4 times in the head, and every shot gives you stacks. Against gunners, for example, I typically build 3-4 stacks off just shooting the head normally and then another 3 stacks from killing them with the final headshot. I can get 10 stacks off a rager with the recon lasgun. It makes getting to max stacks and staying at max stacks very simple and easy. I do think the bolter gets an insane amount of value from marksman's focus as well, for one specific reason - reload speed. Reloading the bolter is one of the biggest downsides of the weapon because it takes forever and a half. With one or two reload speed talents and decent stacks in marksman's focus, the bolter reload gets a lot faster (as chocoB shows) and one of the biggest downsides of the weapon is no longer a problem. Just gotta hit those headshots. The big problem with marksman's focus is that the stacks disappear quickly once you are forced into melee and if your teammates aren't paying extra attention to babysitting you, you'll have to swap to melee quite frequently in auric. Choco has some good teammates who are taking most of the melee pressure off him but in my experience, most people in auric don't watch your back, you are expected to handle your own shit and let them handle their own shit. In most auric games, zealots and melee build ogryn will typically dive into large packs of enemies and leave you alone to handle any horde that gets past them or spawns in the back, meaning you have to swap to melee every 3 seconds instead of holding out your ranged weapon to keep focus stacks up.
@@VortexMagus excellent summary, I think Marksman's Focus needs a little buff with either making the stacks fall off slower when moving, and/or a larger (5 second?) grace period after weak spot kills.
I played with it a bit right after it was buffed and thought about making a video of it, but am hesitant to make it content because I feel it is too strong. I may make one when things settle down a bit.
Did i just seen an Ogryn wearing leopard spoted pants? Don't get me wrong but i think by the 40th millenium they wouldn't even know there was leopards to begin with
I agree. My veteran's bitch-arms can't deal with the recoil of the bolter to reliably keep sights on enemy heads consistently. But mad props to those who can. As for me, I'd rather prefer to single-tap heads with the headhunter autogun.
I would put a better scope on that thing if I were you. Personally I use the scope from Kantrael XII lasgun on my Bolter. Maybe should've used the one with zoom...
of course this looks easy with a personal pocket psyker, infernusing hordes off you and keeping you in shield perma, lol for 99% of players tho.. trying to use the bolter is cancer, cause of the PAINFULLY slow draw time, and you constantly having to swap to melee to keep hordes off you.
Yep. In most games heresy and above standing still is a death sentence. Most teams don't bother trying to maintain cohesion and so the guy in the back trying to pick off elite enemies becomes the horde-shield for the rest of the team.
I'd love to play bolter if not for the awkward breakpoints on hound, and more importantly its awful unholster speed. Same thing kills the helbore for me. I gotta charge a shot AND turn off the safety? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea to add to the animation set? I kind of get it with bolter its a powerful weapon so a long unholster kinda checks out (even if I hate it), but the helbore is not at all.
@@Manslayer-eo1nh Repentia arent part of the guard. Also why do we want something we pretty much already have. A religious zealot that charges forward with a heavy chainsword, we already have that. Borrring . Give me new gameplay mechanics pleaseee
@@Armageddan the game really put 0 effort on letting you know how its mechanics works, (i suspect its because many of them are not working properly, so they just cover up their dirt undet the carpet)
As someone who tries to like Marksman focus and the Bolter, this video was a treat. As it stands I cant take this combo in good faith because il be a drag to my team because I dont got the skills shown in the video and it just means im not carrying my weight. Which I can do with other combos. Would you have any tips for anyone getting the 'end the mission with no ammo and 90% accuracy' penance? Its the last penance I need on the veteran together with the group penance that needs that one.
Definitely use a shotgun. Low ammo and hard to miss with it if you're patient. Works best on a close combat build as loosing your range isn't the end of the world
I got this penance yesterday by going into a low intensity assassination mission and using only my melee weapon until the boss showed, then I emptied every round I had into his shield to be sure of 100% accuracy.
You know I just slapped a bolter together on my zealot, and it was a lot better than i expected. I didnt expect to kill all the damn scab gunners and shotgunners myself.
@@porkerpete7722 Yeah thats exactly what I meant! Finally someone who gets me. Ever played Vermintide 2? Those maps felt more unique and different from each other.
I think the issue is that the objectives all kind of blend together. Go to place, wait for timer, maybe interact with an object. If they could come up with something like an escort mission or even just one that is purely wave defense it would feel different.
@@gabrielchcosta Unfortunately, the game has very specifically set itself inside a hive city, and in the undercity at that. So there's only so much environmental variation that can occur and all of it is going to have the same backbone. I think they would have more success in varying the gameplay within the environment to keep things interesting.
@@revan1865 its so annoying to click on a link to a build editor that is way easier and informative than editing your build into the video . Is it also annoying for you to shower or go outside.......
Why is it frustrating... The Gameslantern build editor is so easy to use and so great that I just use that one. Maybe it is standard practice for you to show build/loadout first, but I don't want that imposed on me... I respect your opinion, but please understand that everyone has their own style.
@@chocoB777 I prefer the way you do it. half way through I might want to check out which talent was picked and don't have to back it up to the start and lose my place.
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Veteran : what's the recoil on this thing?
Hadron : yes
2 underrated things coming together to make something pretty good, Marksman's focus and bolter
I agree
A fitting match: an awkward as f...weapon and awkward as f...keystone.
15:53 Existence of the Ogryn ninjutsu martial arts confirmed.
Dude you're absolutely killing it in the name of the emperor!!! Bravo sir 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
This is what a guardsman role ought to be. Prioritizing targets. Great vid
ive been watching you for years. i cant wait to get grouped up with you, bud. we would make the emperor proud
I think choco's playing on East Asia servers or something.
East Asia server player here(from Malaysia)
It's infested with mainland china players
And 99% of em are very toxic and selfish
Heck, I simply told em to not rush and wait for those falling behind in the voice chat and they called me BAI ZU(which translate to white pig in mandarin) like bruv, I'm not even caucasian 😅
Idk man, this gameplay makes me want to put my faith into the Bolter again but I’m not convinced
The thing with the bolter, at least for me, is that it gets boring quickly
Bolter is a good gun if you are bored with what works better
i like the little chase sequence about 19 minutes in. got a bit hairy there. you did well.
Shovel gang, ultimate melee crowd control masters
I just realized that the reason that the bolter has a draw animation of a full sized Buick Sedan is that it's supposed to be used on a Veteran as a long range tool. Makes sense, but that's definitely more of a reason to not run it on a Zealot.
The bolter still feels like it's unnecessarily clunky. Everything takes too long to do on it and without a 75+ roll on stability it's like fighting a bucking horse to get on target while firing.
I see it as canonically accurate, no real human person should even control something that big let alone fire it.
Sure gameplay wise it could be a bit faster in a board shooter. But you’re mostly using it to clear specials and elites and bosses. Not basic cannon fodder.
It’s fracking fun to use tho
@@LeosDictionaryGG The bolter is actually not supposed to have that much kick, and the version that humans use is significantly smaller than an astartes pattern. The idea is that there is a small charge that propels the round out of the barrel and then a rocket engine kicks in once it has cleared, so you actually don't get recoil from the main projectile.
I used to play a lot of bolt vet at launch, it was one of the best weapon. I think it suffered a lot from the disappearing of the instant reload ability after the skill tree rework, I hope one day it will come back
The veteran saying "Not exactly a place you'd like to raise a family" was the most bizarre thing I've ever heard in warhammer. Who the fuck thinks about raising a family in warhammer.
Unironically? Most of the Imperium.
While of course what we see in the games and campaigns is the giant death-battles because those are what’s interesting, the majority of worlds in the Imperium are not constantly under siege, and most Imperial citizens just work overly long hours pushing papers, growing crops, or working factories and then come home to their family or whatever else. Also, when most Guard regiments reach their end of service, they’ll conquer a frontier world and let the surviving Guardsmen build homes and raise new families on the newly settled world.
Where do you think all those untold billions of imperial subjects come from?
Nice to see a fellow marksman bolter user
The thing I appreciate about the Bolter, if your teammates can manage to be at least someone intelligent in their gameplay, then you can almost single-handedly the only range support needed the whole game
I'm sorry but that can be said about nearly any of the ranged weapons vet has...
If I'm using the kantrael my teammates don't even need to be playing and I'm the single ranged support.
@@Weltallgaia which kantrael? there's many of them
@@superbarnie I always use the xii. Love the feel of headshots with it
13:00 nice.
Im not sure if the bolter benefits much from marksman. I dont use it much, but i do know for a fact that weapons with extremely high damage that has low breakpoints (revolver for example) dont get much out of it, as it doesnt give new breakpoints anyway. Headhunter mk9 (whichever is the semi one) in my experience is nuts because not only are you already 1 shotting all chaffs with the right perks, with max stacks (10?) you are able delete pretty much all specials even without the proper modifiers (all maniacs, gunners and shotgunners for example die at max stacks) - this is an example of the perfect weapon to use with marksman. Unfortunately because stacks only build on headshot kills stuff like the HH mk 3 is kind of hard to make use for it because its harder to miss the head for the kill.
Basically marksman focus has an issue of weapons with high damage dont benefit much (outside of reload speed) and those with poopoo damage dont get much out of it cuz its hard to build stacks.
you still benefit from the outlining of priority targets.
@@Freelocybin They're talking about one of the new Vet keystones, Marksman's Focus, not Executioners stance.
@@Tyranoman ah ok I mixed that up
marksman's focus specifically benefits lower damage faster firing weapons more. You get extra stacks for every headshot you make so if you can hit multiple headshots without killing them, you can easily build lots of stacks off a single enemy.
It's very easy to maintain max stacks with columnus infantry and accatran recon lasgun because you can shoot someone 3-4 times in the head, and every shot gives you stacks. Against gunners, for example, I typically build 3-4 stacks off just shooting the head normally and then another 3 stacks from killing them with the final headshot. I can get 10 stacks off a rager with the recon lasgun. It makes getting to max stacks and staying at max stacks very simple and easy.
I do think the bolter gets an insane amount of value from marksman's focus as well, for one specific reason - reload speed. Reloading the bolter is one of the biggest downsides of the weapon because it takes forever and a half. With one or two reload speed talents and decent stacks in marksman's focus, the bolter reload gets a lot faster (as chocoB shows) and one of the biggest downsides of the weapon is no longer a problem. Just gotta hit those headshots.
The big problem with marksman's focus is that the stacks disappear quickly once you are forced into melee and if your teammates aren't paying extra attention to babysitting you, you'll have to swap to melee quite frequently in auric. Choco has some good teammates who are taking most of the melee pressure off him but in my experience, most people in auric don't watch your back, you are expected to handle your own shit and let them handle their own shit.
In most auric games, zealots and melee build ogryn will typically dive into large packs of enemies and leave you alone to handle any horde that gets past them or spawns in the back, meaning you have to swap to melee every 3 seconds instead of holding out your ranged weapon to keep focus stacks up.
@@VortexMagus excellent summary, I think Marksman's Focus needs a little buff with either making the stacks fall off slower when moving, and/or a larger (5 second?) grace period after weak spot kills.
ohh nice video for tge bolter, i wonder will you do one for the plasma gun? they buff it so much and i want to see your tought about them
I played with it a bit right after it was buffed and thought about making a video of it, but am hesitant to make it content because I feel it is too strong. I may make one when things settle down a bit.
@@chocoB777 cmonn I'd love to see what you come up with for a plasma build!
Did i just seen an Ogryn wearing leopard spoted pants? Don't get me wrong but i think by the 40th millenium they wouldn't even know there was leopards to begin with
I tried stance with the bolter, not my favorite, but you make it look easy, slayer!
I agree. My veteran's bitch-arms can't deal with the recoil of the bolter to reliably keep sights on enemy heads consistently. But mad props to those who can. As for me, I'd rather prefer to single-tap heads with the headhunter autogun.
@@ieruza Same, Vraks headhunter all the way.
impressive shooting player
Could you do more marksman bolter gameplay with YoungXian and Nyx?
So that's how you use the Bolter o_o
Invisible Ogryns, how can we possibly lose this war now?
I dont think your shovel obsession is healthy...
I would put a better scope on that thing if I were you.
Personally I use the scope from Kantrael XII lasgun on my Bolter. Maybe should've used the one with zoom...
this sniper deserve that
of course this looks easy with a personal pocket psyker, infernusing hordes off you and keeping you in shield perma, lol
for 99% of players tho.. trying to use the bolter is cancer, cause of the PAINFULLY slow draw time, and you constantly having to swap to melee to keep hordes off you.
Yep. In most games heresy and above standing still is a death sentence. Most teams don't bother trying to maintain cohesion and so the guy in the back trying to pick off elite enemies becomes the horde-shield for the rest of the team.
I'd love to play bolter if not for the awkward breakpoints on hound, and more importantly its awful unholster speed. Same thing kills the helbore for me. I gotta charge a shot AND turn off the safety? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea to add to the animation set? I kind of get it with bolter its a powerful weapon so a long unholster kinda checks out (even if I hate it), but the helbore is not at all.
Nice.
Asianrobot keeps trashing bolter builds as a cursed weapon. But this video makes me glad I stuck with it.
Hope they add other classes like in vermintide 2 id love to see a proper officer class or a storm trooper
Why not an entirely new character instead of things we already have lol.
Still hoping for a repentia sister. It fits the theme of rejects and disgraced soldiers.
@@Manslayer-eo1nh Repentia arent part of the guard. Also why do we want something we pretty much already have. A religious zealot that charges forward with a heavy chainsword, we already have that. Borrring . Give me new gameplay mechanics pleaseee
You REALLY don't like snipers do you... 13:00.
What's going on with the levels at the end by the way?
"Good shot"
i don’t get it we’re the build showcase?
Shipmaster Brahms has actual in-game lines now?
yes, there has been datamined voice lines for her on the Morning star as well.
How do you keep regenerating chunks of stamina while ADS?
when you get shot you regain stamina
@@kommissarantilus3742 how have I played this long and not known that
@@Armageddan the game really put 0 effort on letting you know how its mechanics works, (i suspect its because many of them are not working properly, so they just cover up their dirt undet the carpet)
I’m wondering how do you 100 ammo for the bolt gun?
For Veteran, look at bottom left of the Skill Tree. “Always Prepared”, I believe.
@@ShyKun86 thanks
Looks fun! Im not the best at shooting so i go melee ogryn but id love to try this if you share the build! 🎉
he put the build link in the description
@@walrus9999 Thanks!
Can you do a plasma Veteran?
i wish i had friends to play with darktide :[
As someone who tries to like Marksman focus and the Bolter, this video was a treat. As it stands I cant take this combo in good faith because il be a drag to my team because I dont got the skills shown in the video and it just means im not carrying my weight. Which I can do with other combos.
Would you have any tips for anyone getting the 'end the mission with no ammo and 90% accuracy' penance? Its the last penance I need on the veteran together with the group penance that needs that one.
use a shotgun
Definitely use a shotgun. Low ammo and hard to miss with it if you're patient. Works best on a close combat build as loosing your range isn't the end of the world
I got this penance yesterday by going into a low intensity assassination mission and using only my melee weapon until the boss showed, then I emptied every round I had into his shield to be sure of 100% accuracy.
I got it first try with the plasma gun. Just make sure you don’t take the ammo on specialist kills.
this needs a bayonet and a scope.
You make it look so easy
Goddamn, the man is a living aim bot.
You know I just slapped a bolter together on my zealot, and it was a lot better than i expected. I didnt expect to kill all the damn scab gunners and shotgunners myself.
It's a decent weapon for a zealot, you don't care as much about the mag size if you just dump it into a crusher and move on.
Bolter feels weak..
Such a shame that all the maps feel the same in this game.
What do you want? An amusement park where you're riding a rollercoaster?
@@porkerpete7722 Yeah thats exactly what I meant! Finally someone who gets me. Ever played Vermintide 2? Those maps felt more unique and different from each other.
I think the issue is that the objectives all kind of blend together. Go to place, wait for timer, maybe interact with an object. If they could come up with something like an escort mission or even just one that is purely wave defense it would feel different.
@@PRC533 Could be, but also most of the architecture is similar everywhere, which is to expect from the lore of the game.
@@gabrielchcosta Unfortunately, the game has very specifically set itself inside a hive city, and in the undercity at that. So there's only so much environmental variation that can occur and all of it is going to have the same backbone. I think they would have more success in varying the gameplay within the environment to keep things interesting.
do share build...
It’s in the description.
@@solid-desu9900 and its so annoying btw
@@revan1865 its so annoying to click on a link to a build editor that is way easier and informative than editing your build into the video . Is it also annoying for you to shower or go outside.......
my bad, thanks for the assist :D @@solid-desu9900
@@revan1865Don't need to talk bad about yourself like that
Why cant you show your build/loadout in the beginning? Its just frustrating man.
Why is it frustrating... The Gameslantern build editor is so easy to use and so great that I just use that one. Maybe it is standard practice for you to show build/loadout first, but I don't want that imposed on me... I respect your opinion, but please understand that everyone has their own style.
@@chocoB777 I prefer the way you do it. half way through I might want to check out which talent was picked and don't have to back it up to the start and lose my place.
Because looking at the description is do difficult...